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YMMV: New 52
  • Author's Saving Throw: Martian Manhunter told off his Stormwatch teammates for referring to him as a Justice League member, which is apparently shorthand for "established superhero", despite the fact that the Justice League has never had more than seven members (until JLI). So, any author wants to refer to, say, Metamorpho or Green Arrow as "Justice League heroes", that's what it refers to.
  • Broken Base/Internet Backdraft: The reboot in general was very controversial when it was announced, and even two years after it happened opinion was divided and discussions could get very heated about certain aspects of it. Overall, some fans consider it an interesting and fresh new take on the universe, while others consider it the return of some of the worst tropes from The Dark Age of Comic Books.
    • Superman and Wonder Woman as a couple, especially from the Clois fans and the Batman/Wonder Woman shippers.
      • Superman is introduced as a more angry brooding figure considerably more violent than before, being willing to throw defenseless white collar criminals out of windows and dangle them off ledges, mocking the police in his early twenties and choke slamming Batman in their first encounter. In many ways, this is a return to his early, rougher characterization in The Golden Age of Comic Books (see the image for Wife-Basher Basher), but people are too used to him being an Ideal Hero at this point.
    • And of course, the Executive Meddling is still going strong. Some fans are upset that the comics appear to be even more editorial driven than before the reboot.
    • And then we have what they did to Captain Marvel, now called Shazam, and further retconning Cheerful Child Billy Batson into a jaded cynical teenager who flat out tells to The Wizard that there is no one truly good in the world. However, the character does change over the course of the series into a more idealistic, heroic person, which seems to have been the point all along.
    • The disappearance of long time fan favorites such as Wally West (the third Flash - along with his wife and kids), Cassandra Cain (Batgirl II/Black Bat), and Stephanie Brown (Spoiler/Robin/Batgirl III/etc.) among others while supposedly "inferior" or less beloved characters such as Bart Allen remain has not sat well with many fans.
    • And look down at True Art Is Angsty for another example.
    • Reaction to Villains Month was, for the most part, lukewarm at best. Grievances range from normal issues of the entire line of books being put on hold for a month, to the stories being boring and/or uninspired, to the 3D covers being an excessive gimmick no one particularly wanted and unnecessarily driving up cost.
    • Also the decision to update the Justice League's roster, first by removing Firestorm and Element Woman after they barely did anything since joining the team, the addition of Shazam (with fans preferring he and his foster family get their own book), and most of all, removing The Flash and Superman and replacing them with Captain Cold and Lex Luthor respectively.
  • Complete Monster: See DC And Vertigo
  • Continuity Lockout: With the near-constant Bat Family Crossover flow of the various Green Lantern comics from in the very least the beginning through "Godhead", it has become increasingly difficult to recommend the series to newcomers. Although this was already the case before, the common crossovers have become unending, especially with "Green Lantern" and "Green Lantern Corps", which some think may as well not be separate books at all for the amount of interconnecting they have.
  • Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy: Many things about the reboot just screams this.
  • Ensemble Darkhorse: Despite how divided the fandom is with the whole reboot in general, some characters are quite well liked for their interesting characterizations and potential for stories, such as Aquaman, Strix from Birds of Prey, and Billy Batson's five foster siblings.
  • It's the Same, Now It Sucks:
    • A common gripe with the New 52 is that despite a large number of changes, the Continuity Lock-Out that was typical for the old DCU did not disappear, and many characters (such as Green Lanterns) still require extensive knowledge of their old DCU stories to understand what is going on, instead of having a fresh start. What makes things even more confusing is that many older fans who would be otherwise immune to Continuity Lockout are confused as well, due to the fact that whatever continuity that has been retained has been very hazily defined. For example, according to the new "superheroes debuted five years ago" compressed timeline, Batman started his career and took on all four male Robins within six years. In the end, all that its accomplished is make it so everyone, even long time fans, are confused by what's going on.
    • Earth 2 has received this kind of complaint, since it eventually turned from a different team of superheroes similar to those from Justice Society of America fighting against the onslaughts of new villains and a different member of the forces of Darkseid to Batman's team vs. Superman's team.
    • The same can be said of the practice as of July 2014 to re-relaunch cancelled series under new creative teams, when one of the points made in the New 52 is that there are only 52 running books at once, taking space from newer ideas in an attempt to reboot a reboot.
    • There's been a recent phenomena of what's referred to as 'House Style', where creative teams tend to make each book look and feel almost identical. Artwork tends to be similar to Jim Lee's art, with the colourists using the same techniques, and writers sticking to writing and characterizing the heroes in a similar True Art Is Angsty way; because of this, many feel that the bulk of the line-up isn't really bad, just boring because they all feel generic. The few books that succeed to escape this 'House Style', either by unique artwork, creative writing, or some combination, tend to get more interest online for actually being different.
  • Tainted By The First Issue: Since DC released fifty-two first issues in one month, even people willing to buy all fifty-two #1s were unlikely to give anything they didn't like a second chance. (How many #2s are you going to buy of comics you already have a bad impression of? When there might be dozens of them?) Ergo, any writer who put something controversial in the first issue, expecting readers to stick around for justification in later issues, was making a grave mistake. Several of the series died due to their first issue not being as good as later ones.
    • However, the "add something controversial to hook in fans" thing was a double edged sword. Catwoman and Red Hood and the Outlaws drew in massive amounts of outcry and drama over scenes of sexualization (Catwoman having rough sex with a hesitant Batman, Starfire in some cheesecake poses and having sex with Roy Harper with the then perceived notion that she couldn't tell humans apart). How the writers responded to the allegations of angered fans differed: Judd Winick didn't really do much to defend himself and was replaced rather quickly, while Scott Lobdell openly responded to fans and lasted much longer on his book.
    • Superman was reintroduced as a man who in his early twenties was violent towards non powered criminals, openly mocking the police as he ran from them and a few years later in the timeline, choke slams Batman in a fight when he already knew nothing in Batman's arsenal could hurt him. Even the more grown up version introduced in issue one of a parallel series was shown to be a more angry brooding figure than Superman had ever been.
  • They Changed It, Now It Sucks: The announcement of the relaunch drew a very large amount of vitriol from a lot of people. To this day, the base is still broken on whether the relaunch is still good or not.
    • One of the reasons for this reaction was that quite a few titles suffered from an Aborted Arc in their cancellations - although most of them wrapped up fairly smoothly, there was still a small forest of dangling plot threads left behind, presumably now never to be resolved.
    • One of the most controversial examples of this in fandom is giving The Phantom Stranger a definitive origin.
    • Lobo's new, Twilight-esque design has not gone over well with fans.
  • The Scrappy: As stated above, new Lobo.
  • True Art Is Angsty: Apparently, Dan DiDio thinks so, and has an actual mandate enforcing this.
  • Unfortunate Implications: The treatment of various females characters and creators have gotten different forms of accusations of sexism. From Wonder Woman losing her pants and having her origin changed so that she gained her skill from a male (namely, Ares) rather than being trained by the Amazons (who are given a serious Adaptational Villainy upgrade), Amanda Waller now being slimmer and younger, Starfire being amnesiac and only thinking about sex, Gail Simone's real life (temporary) firing via email, etc. The fact they also continue to employ Scott Lobdell, in spite of his blatant misogynynote  has been criticized as he brings unnecessary controversy to the books, and they continue to let him write their books, including Superman-related work.

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