History YMMV / New52

26th Jul '16 3:41:33 PM Anddrix
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** The New 52's take on Jason Todd is not very well liked either (even [[BaseBreaker among those that like the character as a whole]]), with many saying that in Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws, he doesn't really seem to have grown from how he was back when he was killed off in Comicbook/ADeathInTheFamily or from when he first came back from the dead (some "attempts" at development have been made, but whether or not any of them are convincing or well-written is contested). The fact that most of his appearances in this verse are written by Scott Lobdell (generally regarded as one of the worst writers working at DC right now) just exacerbates this.

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** The New 52's take on Jason Todd is not very well liked either (even [[BaseBreaker among those that like the character as a whole]]), whole), with many saying that in Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws, he doesn't really seem to have grown from how he was back when he was killed off in Comicbook/ADeathInTheFamily or from when he first came back from the dead (some "attempts" at development have been made, but whether or not any of them are convincing or well-written is contested). The fact that most of his appearances in this verse are written by Scott Lobdell (generally regarded as one of the worst writers working at DC right now) just exacerbates this.
19th Jul '16 9:24:25 AM marcoasalazarm
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** This backfired even harder when 'ComicBook/SupermanSuperLeague'' came out, [[KilledOffForReal killing off the New 52 Superman]] (and the first issue of the following ''Action Comics'' arc with the pre-''Flashpoint'' Superman pretty much setting in stone that (at least for now) he's DeaderThanDead). The way how New 52 Supes went and [[FaceDeathWithDignity Faced Death With Dignity]] was a strong enough TearJerker than people [[AlasPoorScrappy who didn't liked this version of Supes really mourned seeing him go]].

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** This backfired even harder when 'ComicBook/SupermanSuperLeague'' ''ComicBook/SupermanSuperLeague'' came out, [[KilledOffForReal killing off the New 52 Superman]] (and the first issue of the following ''Action Comics'' arc with the pre-''Flashpoint'' Superman in the starring role pretty much setting in stone that (at least for now) he's DeaderThanDead). The way how New 52 Supes went and [[FaceDeathWithDignity Faced Death With Dignity]] was a strong enough TearJerker than people [[AlasPoorScrappy who didn't liked this version of Supes really mourned seeing him go]].
19th Jul '16 9:23:15 AM marcoasalazarm
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** This backfired even harder when 'ComicBook/SupermanSuperLeague'' came out, [[KilledOffForReal killing off the New 52 Superman]] (and the first issue of the following ''Action Comics'' arc with the pre-''Flashpoint'' Superman pretty much setting in stone that (at least for now) he's DeaderThanDead). The way how New 52 Supes went and [[FaceDeathWithDignity Faced Death With Dignity]] was a strong enough TearJerker than people [[AlasPoorScrappy who didn't liked this version of Supes really mourned seeing him go]].
14th Jul '16 2:00:06 AM katrynn
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13th Jul '16 11:01:14 AM Angeldeb82
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*** "ComicBook/DeathOfTheFamily" (SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker being a borderline VillainSue after some time out of the spotlight and the Bat Family falling apart).

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*** "ComicBook/DeathOfTheFamily" (SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker being a borderline VillainSue Villain Sue after some time out of the spotlight and the Bat Family falling apart).



*** "The Culling" (which tossed the ComicBook/TeenTitans into a super-powered ''Literature/BattleRoyale'' situation by a JustAsPlanned UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans-preachy VillainSue called "Harvest", and that the Titans (and two other teams) barely survived).

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*** "The Culling" (which tossed the ComicBook/TeenTitans into a super-powered ''Literature/BattleRoyale'' situation by a JustAsPlanned UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans-preachy VillainSue Villain Sue called "Harvest", and that the Titans (and two other teams) barely survived).



** ''Future's End'': All of the victories of the heroes, all of their happiness, all of those beloved characters, will be killed and turned worthless and the triggers are coming ever-so-inexorably closer... [[spoiler:and, oh yeah, the time-travel shenanigans of the arc '''have not changed the chances of this future existing in any way whatsoever''', except for some more super humans running around playing resistance-and Heaven only knows if the writers won't come around to turn this into a mere HopeSpot]].
* EnsembleDarkhorse: Despite how divided the fandom is with the whole reboot in general, some characters are quite well liked for their interesting characterizations and potential for stories, such as the New52's take on Aquaman and Orm, Strix from Comicbook/BirdsOfPrey, and Billy Batson's five foster siblings.

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** ''Future's End'': All of the victories of the heroes, all of their happiness, all of those beloved characters, will be killed and turned worthless and the triggers are coming ever-so-inexorably closer... [[spoiler:and, oh yeah, the time-travel shenanigans of the arc '''have not changed the chances of this future existing in any way whatsoever''', except for some more super humans running around playing resistance-and Heaven only knows if the writers won't come around to turn this into a mere HopeSpot]].
HopeSpot.]]
* EnsembleDarkhorse: Despite how divided the fandom is with the whole reboot in general, some characters are quite well liked for their interesting characterizations and potential for stories, such as the New52's New 52's take on Aquaman and Orm, Strix from Comicbook/BirdsOfPrey, and Billy Batson's five foster siblings.



* [[TaintedByThePreview Tainted By The First Issue]]: Since DC released fifty-two first issues in one month, even people willing to buy all fifty-two #1s were unlikely to give anything they didn't like a second chance. (How many #2s are you going to buy of comics you already have a bad impression of? When there might be ''dozens'' of them?) Ergo, any writer who put something controversial in the first issue, expecting readers to ''stick around'' for justification in later issues, was making a grave mistake. Several of the series died due to their first issue not being as good as later ones.

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* [[TaintedByThePreview Tainted By The by the First Issue]]: Since DC released fifty-two first issues in one month, even people willing to buy all fifty-two #1s were unlikely to give anything they didn't like a second chance. (How many #2s are you going to buy of comics you already have a bad impression of? When there might be ''dozens'' of them?) Ergo, any writer who put something controversial in the first issue, expecting readers to ''stick around'' for justification in later issues, was making a grave mistake. Several of the series died due to their first issue not being as good as later ones.



** New52's version of Tim Drake, who is InNameOnly [[spoiler:and considering how it's a false identity via the witness protection program, not even that]]. Doesn't help that both of the New52's attempts at the Teen Titans (of which Tim is a member) are regarded as a DorkAge.
** The New52's take on Jason Todd is not very well liked either (even [[BaseBreaker among those that like the character as a whole]]), with many saying that in Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws, he doesn't really seem to have grown from how he was back when he was killed off in Comicbook/ADeathInTheFamily or from when he first came back from the dead (some "attempts" at development have been made, but whether or not any of them are convincing or well-written is contested). The fact that most of his appearances in this verse are written by Scott Lobdell (generally regarded as one of the worst writers working at DC right now) just exacerbates this.

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** New52's New 52's version of Tim Drake, who is InNameOnly [[spoiler:and considering how it's a false identity via the witness protection program, not even that]]. Doesn't help that both of the New52's New 52's attempts at the Teen Titans (of which Tim is a member) are regarded as a DorkAge.
** The New52's New 52's take on Jason Todd is not very well liked either (even [[BaseBreaker among those that like the character as a whole]]), with many saying that in Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws, he doesn't really seem to have grown from how he was back when he was killed off in Comicbook/ADeathInTheFamily or from when he first came back from the dead (some "attempts" at development have been made, but whether or not any of them are convincing or well-written is contested). The fact that most of his appearances in this verse are written by Scott Lobdell (generally regarded as one of the worst writers working at DC right now) just exacerbates this.



** Much of the supporting cast of ComicBook/{{GreenArrow}} was PutOnABus for the better part of a storyline, so as to introduce Felicity Smoak and Mia Dearden into the ''New 52'' reality, as part of an effort to make the book more appealing to fans of the old series as well as Series/{{Arrow}}. Once that arc was over, Felicity, Mia and all of the supporting cast except for hacker Fyff and Ollie's half-sister Emiko were similarly PutOnABus.

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** Much of the supporting cast of ComicBook/{{GreenArrow}} ComicBook/GreenArrow was PutOnABus for the better part of a storyline, so as to introduce Felicity Smoak and Mia Dearden into the ''New 52'' reality, as part of an effort to make the book more appealing to fans of the old series as well as Series/{{Arrow}}. Once that arc was over, Felicity, Mia and all of the supporting cast except for hacker Fyff and Ollie's half-sister Emiko were similarly PutOnABus.
29th May '16 12:19:38 AM DreamerCynist2
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** The New52's take on Jason Todd is not very well liked either (even [[BaseBreaker amongst those that like the character as a whole]], with many saying that in Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws, he doesn't really seem to have grown from how he was back when he was killed off in Comicbook/ADeathInTheFamily or from when he first came back from the dead. The fact that most of his appearances in this verse are written by Scott Lobdell (generally regarded as one of the worst writers working at DC right now) just exacerbates this.

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** The New52's take on Jason Todd is not very well liked either (even [[BaseBreaker amongst among those that like the character as a whole]], whole]]), with many saying that in Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws, he doesn't really seem to have grown from how he was back when he was killed off in Comicbook/ADeathInTheFamily or from when he first came back from the dead.dead (some "attempts" at development have been made, but whether or not any of them are convincing or well-written is contested). The fact that most of his appearances in this verse are written by Scott Lobdell (generally regarded as one of the worst writers working at DC right now) just exacerbates this.
25th May '16 6:35:04 PM Blazer
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: The New 52's reset button smashing was this to many fans as it took away characters from both ends of the LegacyCharacter spectrum, no matter if its old fogies like those on the ComicBook/JusticeSociety or new characters donning old names such as the Stephanie Brown ComicBook/{{Batgirl}} or Ryan Choi's version of ComicBook/TheAtom and essentially saying everything before it never happened. It also didn't help that many storylines went heavy on the DarkerAndEdgier to the point where it didn't feel like there was anything worth cheering for.
23rd May '16 4:53:37 PM DreamerCynist2
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** The New52's take on Jason Todd is not very well liked either (even [[BaseBreaker amongst those that like the character as a whole]], with many saying that in Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws, hasn't really seemed to have grown from how he was back when he was killed off in Comicbook/ADeathInTheFamily or from when he first came back from the dead. The fact that most of his appearances in this verse are written by Scott Lobdell (generally regarded as one of the worst writers working at DC right now) just exacerbates this.

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** The New52's take on Jason Todd is not very well liked either (even [[BaseBreaker amongst those that like the character as a whole]], with many saying that in Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws, hasn't he doesn't really seemed seem to have grown from how he was back when he was killed off in Comicbook/ADeathInTheFamily or from when he first came back from the dead. The fact that most of his appearances in this verse are written by Scott Lobdell (generally regarded as one of the worst writers working at DC right now) just exacerbates this.
23rd May '16 4:44:41 PM DreamerCynist2
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Despite how divided the fandom is with the whole reboot in general, some characters are quite well liked for their interesting characterizations and potential for stories, such as Aquaman, Strix from Comicbook/BirdsOfPrey, and Billy Batson's five foster siblings.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Despite how divided the fandom is with the whole reboot in general, some characters are quite well liked for their interesting characterizations and potential for stories, such as Aquaman, the New52's take on Aquaman and Orm, Strix from Comicbook/BirdsOfPrey, and Billy Batson's five foster siblings.



** Tim Drake, who is InNameOnly
** Jason Todd (even [[BaseBreaker amongst those that like the character as a whole]], who in Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws, hasn't really seemed to have grown from how he was back when he was killed off in Comicbook/ADeathInTheFamily or from when he first came back from the dead.

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** New52's version of Tim Drake, who is InNameOnly
InNameOnly [[spoiler:and considering how it's a false identity via the witness protection program, not even that]]. Doesn't help that both of the New52's attempts at the Teen Titans (of which Tim is a member) are regarded as a DorkAge.
** The New52's take on Jason Todd is not very well liked either (even [[BaseBreaker amongst those that like the character as a whole]], who with many saying that in Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws, hasn't really seemed to have grown from how he was back when he was killed off in Comicbook/ADeathInTheFamily or from when he first came back from the dead.dead. The fact that most of his appearances in this verse are written by Scott Lobdell (generally regarded as one of the worst writers working at DC right now) just exacerbates this.
23rd May '16 4:22:37 PM DreamerCynist2
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* BrokenBase[=/=]InternetBackdraft: The reboot in general was very controversial when it was announced, and even four years after it happened opinion was divided and discussions could get very heated about certain aspects of it. Overall, some fans consider it an interesting and fresh new take on the universe, while others consider it the return of some of the worst tropes from UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks.

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* BrokenBase[=/=]InternetBackdraft: The reboot in general was very controversial when it was announced, and even four years after it happened opinion was divided and discussions could get very heated about certain aspects of it. Overall, some fans consider it an interesting and fresh new take on the universe, while others consider it the return of some of the worst tropes from UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks.



** The disappearance of long time fan favorites such as Wally West (the third Flash - along with his wife and kids), Cassandra Cain (Batgirl II/Black Bat), and Stephanie Brown (Spoiler/Robin/Batgirl III/etc.) among others while supposedly "inferior" or less beloved characters such as Bart Allen remain has not sat well with many fans.

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** The disappearance long absence of long time fan favorites such as Wally West (the third Flash - along with his wife and kids), Cassandra Cain (Batgirl II/Black Bat), Donna Troy and Stephanie Brown (Spoiler/Robin/Batgirl III/etc.) among others while supposedly "inferior" or less beloved characters such as Bart Allen remain has not sat well with many fans. Now that some of these fan favourites have been incorporated into the New 52, opinions are divided regarding how these characters have been handled and whether or not the changes made to their histories work.



** Jason Todd, who in Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws, is the same whining teenager he was back when he was killed off in Comicbook/ADeathInTheFamily.
** Wally West, who has been rebooted as a 12 year old delinquent.

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** Jason Todd, Todd (even [[BaseBreaker amongst those that like the character as a whole]], who in Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws, is the same whining teenager hasn't really seemed to have grown from how he was back when he was killed off in Comicbook/ADeathInTheFamily.
Comicbook/ADeathInTheFamily or from when he first came back from the dead.
** Wally West, who has been rebooted as a 12 year old delinquent.delinquent and whose RaceLift is handled in a manner that to many readers smacks of WhiteMansBurden.
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