History YMMV / New52

29th May '16 12:19:38 AM DreamerCynist2
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** The New52's take on Jason Todd is not very well liked either (even [[BaseBreaker amongst those that like the character as a whole]], with many saying that in Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws, he doesn't really seem to have grown from how he was back when he was killed off in Comicbook/ADeathInTheFamily or from when he first came back from the dead. The fact that most of his appearances in this verse are written by Scott Lobdell (generally regarded as one of the worst writers working at DC right now) just exacerbates this.

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** The New52's take on Jason Todd is not very well liked either (even [[BaseBreaker amongst among those that like the character as a whole]], whole]]), with many saying that in Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws, he doesn't really seem to have grown from how he was back when he was killed off in Comicbook/ADeathInTheFamily or from when he first came back from the dead.dead (some "attempts" at development have been made, but whether or not any of them are convincing or well-written is contested). The fact that most of his appearances in this verse are written by Scott Lobdell (generally regarded as one of the worst writers working at DC right now) just exacerbates this.
25th May '16 6:35:04 PM Blazer
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: The New 52's reset button smashing was this to many fans as it took away characters from both ends of the LegacyCharacter spectrum, no matter if its old fogies like those on the ComicBook/JusticeSociety or new characters donning old names such as the Stephanie Brown ComicBook/{{Batgirl}} or Ryan Choi's version of ComicBook/TheAtom and essentially saying everything before it never happened. It also didn't help that many storylines went heavy on the DarkerAndEdgier to the point where it didn't feel like there was anything worth cheering for.
23rd May '16 4:53:37 PM DreamerCynist2
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** The New52's take on Jason Todd is not very well liked either (even [[BaseBreaker amongst those that like the character as a whole]], with many saying that in Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws, hasn't really seemed to have grown from how he was back when he was killed off in Comicbook/ADeathInTheFamily or from when he first came back from the dead. The fact that most of his appearances in this verse are written by Scott Lobdell (generally regarded as one of the worst writers working at DC right now) just exacerbates this.

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** The New52's take on Jason Todd is not very well liked either (even [[BaseBreaker amongst those that like the character as a whole]], with many saying that in Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws, hasn't he doesn't really seemed seem to have grown from how he was back when he was killed off in Comicbook/ADeathInTheFamily or from when he first came back from the dead. The fact that most of his appearances in this verse are written by Scott Lobdell (generally regarded as one of the worst writers working at DC right now) just exacerbates this.
23rd May '16 4:44:41 PM DreamerCynist2
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Despite how divided the fandom is with the whole reboot in general, some characters are quite well liked for their interesting characterizations and potential for stories, such as Aquaman, Strix from Comicbook/BirdsOfPrey, and Billy Batson's five foster siblings.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Despite how divided the fandom is with the whole reboot in general, some characters are quite well liked for their interesting characterizations and potential for stories, such as Aquaman, the New52's take on Aquaman and Orm, Strix from Comicbook/BirdsOfPrey, and Billy Batson's five foster siblings.



** Tim Drake, who is InNameOnly
** Jason Todd (even [[BaseBreaker amongst those that like the character as a whole]], who in Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws, hasn't really seemed to have grown from how he was back when he was killed off in Comicbook/ADeathInTheFamily or from when he first came back from the dead.

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** New52's version of Tim Drake, who is InNameOnly
InNameOnly [[spoiler:and considering how it's a false identity via the witness protection program, not even that]]. Doesn't help that both of the New52's attempts at the Teen Titans (of which Tim is a member) are regarded as a DorkAge.
** The New52's take on Jason Todd is not very well liked either (even [[BaseBreaker amongst those that like the character as a whole]], who with many saying that in Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws, hasn't really seemed to have grown from how he was back when he was killed off in Comicbook/ADeathInTheFamily or from when he first came back from the dead.dead. The fact that most of his appearances in this verse are written by Scott Lobdell (generally regarded as one of the worst writers working at DC right now) just exacerbates this.
23rd May '16 4:22:37 PM DreamerCynist2
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* BrokenBase[=/=]InternetBackdraft: The reboot in general was very controversial when it was announced, and even four years after it happened opinion was divided and discussions could get very heated about certain aspects of it. Overall, some fans consider it an interesting and fresh new take on the universe, while others consider it the return of some of the worst tropes from UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks.

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* BrokenBase[=/=]InternetBackdraft: The reboot in general was very controversial when it was announced, and even four years after it happened opinion was divided and discussions could get very heated about certain aspects of it. Overall, some fans consider it an interesting and fresh new take on the universe, while others consider it the return of some of the worst tropes from UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks.



** The disappearance of long time fan favorites such as Wally West (the third Flash - along with his wife and kids), Cassandra Cain (Batgirl II/Black Bat), and Stephanie Brown (Spoiler/Robin/Batgirl III/etc.) among others while supposedly "inferior" or less beloved characters such as Bart Allen remain has not sat well with many fans.

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** The disappearance long absence of long time fan favorites such as Wally West (the third Flash - along with his wife and kids), Cassandra Cain (Batgirl II/Black Bat), Donna Troy and Stephanie Brown (Spoiler/Robin/Batgirl III/etc.) among others while supposedly "inferior" or less beloved characters such as Bart Allen remain has not sat well with many fans. Now that some of these fan favourites have been incorporated into the New 52, opinions are divided regarding how these characters have been handled and whether or not the changes made to their histories work.



** Jason Todd, who in Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws, is the same whining teenager he was back when he was killed off in Comicbook/ADeathInTheFamily.
** Wally West, who has been rebooted as a 12 year old delinquent.

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** Jason Todd, Todd (even [[BaseBreaker amongst those that like the character as a whole]], who in Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws, is the same whining teenager hasn't really seemed to have grown from how he was back when he was killed off in Comicbook/ADeathInTheFamily.
Comicbook/ADeathInTheFamily or from when he first came back from the dead.
** Wally West, who has been rebooted as a 12 year old delinquent.delinquent and whose RaceLift is handled in a manner that to many readers smacks of WhiteMansBurden.
21st May '16 2:23:48 AM SorPepita
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*** The Superman/Wonder Woman relationship having devolved from "super-powered couple which overcome problems by the power of trust" to (during the "underpowered Superman/Lois Lane exposes his secret identity" storyline of "''Lies''") "super-powered couple who can barely trust each other and only what remains of their previous happiness (including Happier Times Flashbacks) keep them from being at each other's throats".

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*** The Superman/Wonder Woman relationship having devolved from "super-powered couple which overcome problems by the power of trust" to (during the "underpowered Superman/Lois Lane exposes his secret identity" storyline of "''Lies''") "super-powered couple who can barely trust each other and only what remains of their previous happiness (including Happier Times Flashbacks) keep keeps them from being at each other's throats".
21st May '16 2:13:06 AM SorPepita
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** One comic book critic flat out said, "Dan [=DiDio=] is the worst thing to happen to DC Comics in the history of the company", and in response a lot of fans have not only vocally agreed with this assessment, they've publicly posted in various social media that as long as "that man" is involved in DC, and until "DC stops shitting where they eat", they will ''not'' be giving DC comics any more of their money.

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** One comic book critic flat out said, "Dan [=DiDio=] "Creator/DanDiDio is the worst thing to happen to DC Comics in the history of the company", and in response a lot of fans have not only vocally agreed with this assessment, they've publicly posted in various social media that as long as "that man" is involved in DC, and until "DC stops shitting where they eat", they will ''not'' be giving DC comics any more of their money.
21st May '16 1:52:53 AM SorPepita
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** Lois Lane exposing Superman's secret identity on the ''"Lies"'' arc in order to try to create a BlackmailBackfire against an unknown blackmailer who hadn't even asked much of Superman yet, let alone endangered him. The trouble the fans and reviewers have is that ''obviously'' the blackmailer would eventually use Superman to perform some evil act and/or endanger him... the question is whether or not it was a good idea, and if it ''was'' a good idea then whether or not she was too impulsive in going for said solution ASAP. The arc then has Superman's relationship with everybody else (''especially'' Lois and ''including'' Wonder Woman) souring up harshly (everybody else wants to help and doesn't minds, but Superman is on the quick track to superhero CowboyCop and insisting that "IWorkAlone"), the United States Government ''taking everybody he loves into custody'' (because one man wanting to have a secret identity ''[[SarcasmMode obviously]]'' means that those he worked alongside with on the Daily Planet ''must'' be members of his secret army wanting to conquer the world) and the DarkerAndEdgier piling up at a pace some people think is too hard and fast.

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** Lois Lane exposing Superman's secret identity on the ''"Lies"'' arc in order to try to create a BlackmailBackfire against an unknown blackmailer who hadn't even asked much of Superman yet, let alone endangered him. The trouble the fans and reviewers have is that ''obviously'' the blackmailer would eventually use Superman to perform some evil act and/or endanger him... the question is whether or not it was a good idea, and if it ''was'' a good idea then whether or not she was too impulsive in going for said solution ASAP. The arc then has Superman's relationship with everybody else (''especially'' Lois and ''including'' Wonder Woman) souring up harshly (everybody else wants to help and doesn't minds, mind, but Superman is on the quick track to superhero CowboyCop and insisting that "IWorkAlone"), the United States Government ''taking everybody he loves into custody'' (because one man wanting to have a secret identity ''[[SarcasmMode obviously]]'' means that those he worked alongside with on the Daily Planet ''must'' be members of his secret army wanting to conquer the world) and the DarkerAndEdgier piling up at a pace some people think is too hard and fast.
22nd Apr '16 3:19:49 AM erforce
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** Mr. Freeze's backstory's alterations have come under fire, partially because they screwed up his TragicVillain background, and partially because, in the original, the CorruptCorporateExecutive who caused all the problems was a disgusting asshole who was just such a good liar and fake that everyone loved him. Both the original episode of BatmanTheAnimatedSeries and the adaptation of it in BatmanArkhamOrigins were highly praised, and the episode won an Emmy. So, what did they do? Changed it so that, instead, it was Bruce Wayne.

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** Mr. Freeze's backstory's alterations have come under fire, partially because they screwed up his TragicVillain background, and partially because, in the original, the CorruptCorporateExecutive who caused all the problems was a disgusting asshole who was just such a good liar and fake that everyone loved him. Both the original episode of BatmanTheAnimatedSeries and the adaptation of it in BatmanArkhamOrigins ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamOrigins'' were highly praised, and the episode won an Emmy. So, what did they do? Changed it so that, instead, it was Bruce Wayne.
12th Apr '16 9:19:53 AM Blazer
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** The New 52 Superman to many people. The vast majority of his New 52 run had the Man of Steel as a Dark and Brooding character who heavily fell back on the "Superman is real, Clark Kent is fake" mentality of the Silver Age and a good layer of Batman on top. They also shilled the hell out of the Superman/Wonder Woman pairing like crazy, as if trying to force readers to forget about Superman and Lois Lane. This obviously backfired when they released ''ComicBook/SupermanLoisAndClark'' at the same time the ''ComicBook/SupermanTruth'' storyline was in full swing as readers, turned off by ''Truth''[='s=] heavier DarkerAndEdgier tones ran towards the pre-''Flashpoint'' Superman with arms wide open. By the time ''ComicBook/SupermanSavageDawn'' came to an end, the damage had already been done, even as they finally got Superman acting ''like'' Superman.
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