History YMMV / New52

21st Nov '17 4:16:24 PM Scifimaster92
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: The New 52's reset button smashing was this to many fans as it took away characters from both ends of the LegacyCharacter spectrum, no matter if they were old fogies like those on the ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica or new characters donning old names such as the Stephanie Brown ComicBook/{{Batgirl}} or Ryan Choi's version of ComicBook/TheAtom and essentially saying everything that before it never happened. It also didn't help that many storylines went heavy on the DarkerAndEdgier to the point where it didn't feel like there was anything worth cheering for.

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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: The New 52's reset button smashing was this to many fans as it took away characters from both ends of the LegacyCharacter spectrum, no matter if they were old fogies like those on the ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica or new characters donning old names such as the Stephanie Brown ComicBook/{{Batgirl}} or Ryan Choi's version of ComicBook/TheAtom and essentially saying everything that came before it never happened. It also didn't help that many storylines went heavy on the DarkerAndEdgier to the point where it didn't feel like there was anything worth cheering for.
13th Jul '17 5:17:14 AM NightShade96
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: The New 52's reset button smashing was this to many fans as it took away characters from both ends of the LegacyCharacter spectrum, no matter if its old fogies like those on the ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica or new characters donning old names such as the Stephanie Brown ComicBook/{{Batgirl}} or Ryan Choi's version of ComicBook/TheAtom and essentially saying everything before it never happened. It also didn't help that many storylines went heavy on the DarkerAndEdgier to the point where it didn't feel like there was anything worth cheering for.

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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: The New 52's reset button smashing was this to many fans as it took away characters from both ends of the LegacyCharacter spectrum, no matter if its they were old fogies like those on the ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica or new characters donning old names such as the Stephanie Brown ComicBook/{{Batgirl}} or Ryan Choi's version of ComicBook/TheAtom and essentially saying everything that before it never happened. It also didn't help that many storylines went heavy on the DarkerAndEdgier to the point where it didn't feel like there was anything worth cheering for.



** {{Franchise/Superman}} and Franchise/WonderWoman as a couple, [[ShipToShipCombat especially from the Clois fans and the Batman/Wonder Woman shippers.]] Those who like the relationship enough to at least give it a chance are now hating the brutal devolution it's getting on the most recent arcs of the ''Superman'' and ''Superman/Wonder Woman'' comics.
*** Superman is introduced as a more angry brooding figure considerably more violent than before, being willing to throw defenseless white collar criminals out of windows and dangle them off ledges, mocking the police in his early twenties and choke slamming Batman in their first encounter. In many ways, this is a return to his [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness early, rougher characterization]] in UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfComicBooks (see the image for WifeBasherBasher), but people are too used to him [[CharacterizationMarchesOn being an]] IdealHero at this point.

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** {{Franchise/Superman}} and Franchise/WonderWoman as a couple, [[ShipToShipCombat especially from the Clois fans and the Batman/Wonder Woman shippers.]] Those who like the relationship enough to at least give it a chance are now hating the brutal devolution it's getting on in the most recent arcs of the ''Superman'' and ''Superman/Wonder Woman'' comics.
*** Superman is introduced as a more angry brooding figure who is considerably more violent than before, being willing to throw defenseless white collar criminals out of windows and dangle them off ledges, mocking the police in his early twenties and choke slamming Batman in their first encounter. In many ways, this is a return to his [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness early, rougher characterization]] in UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfComicBooks (see the image for WifeBasherBasher), but people are too used to him [[CharacterizationMarchesOn being an]] IdealHero at this point.



** And of course, the ExecutiveMeddling is still going strong. Some fans are upset that the comics appear to be even ''more'' editorial driven than before the reboot.

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** And of course, the ExecutiveMeddling is still going strong. Some fans are upset that the comics appear to be even ''more'' editorial driven editorial-driven than before the reboot.



*** The results of ''Convergence'': On one end, it undid ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'' and now ''all'' stories published by DC are canon someplace-they can be expanded upon in a future time. However, many liked AlternateUniverse characters ended up coming BackForTheDead (some with more respect than others) and the stories were advertised as the GrandFinale of whichever arcs were left in the air before ''ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}}'' occurred, so maybe they will ''not'' be visited again in some time (if ever). On the other side of things, ''Comicbook/TheMultiversity'' went ahead and completely restructured the DC multi-verse, with some universes and characters from that multiverse coming BackForTheDead ''also'', [[spoiler:and the story introducing an EldritchAbomination that ''eats universes'' (and ''is still digesting the Pre-ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}} DC Universe''), is the ''physical manifestation of the growing RealLife DarknessInducedAudienceApathy in the comic book audience'', and the story ends with it not being destroyed, but held back for the time being... which means that if someone comes along in the future and wishes to create ''their'' version of ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths''...]]
** One comic book critic flat out said, "Creator/DanDiDio is the worst thing to happen to DC Comics in the history of the company", and in response a lot of fans have not only vocally agreed with this assessment, they've publicly posted in various social media that as long as "that man" is involved in DC, and until "DC stops shitting where they eat", they will ''not'' be giving DC comics any more of their money.
* CompleteMonster: See Monster/DCComics

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*** The results of ''Convergence'': On one end, it undid ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'' and now ''all'' stories published by DC are canon someplace-they someplace -- they can be expanded upon in a future time. However, many liked AlternateUniverse characters ended up coming BackForTheDead (some with more respect than others) and the stories were advertised as the GrandFinale of whichever arcs were left in the air before ''ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}}'' occurred, so maybe they will ''not'' be visited again in some time (if ever). On the other side of things, ''Comicbook/TheMultiversity'' went ahead and completely restructured the DC multi-verse, with some universes and characters from that multiverse coming BackForTheDead ''also'', [[spoiler:and the story introducing an EldritchAbomination that ''eats universes'' (and ''is still digesting the Pre-ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}} DC Universe''), is the ''physical manifestation of the growing RealLife DarknessInducedAudienceApathy in the comic book audience'', and the story ends with it not being destroyed, but held back for the time being... which means that if someone comes along in the future and wishes to create ''their'' version of ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths''...]]
** One comic book critic flat out said, "Creator/DanDiDio is the worst thing to happen to DC Comics in the history of the company", and in response a lot of fans have not only vocally agreed with this assessment, they've publicly posted in various social media that as long as "that man" is involved in DC, and until "DC stops shitting where they eat", they will ''not'' be giving DC comics Comics any more of their money.
* CompleteMonster: See Monster/DCComicsMonster/DCComics.



** Storylines like
*** "ComicBook/DeathOfTheFamily" (SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker being a borderline Villain Sue after some time out of the spotlight and the Bat Family falling apart).

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** Storylines like
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*** "ComicBook/DeathOfTheFamily" (SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker (ComicBook/TheJoker being a borderline Villain Sue after some time out of the spotlight and the Bat Family falling apart).
8th Jul '17 3:47:18 PM Peridonyx
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** Harvest, for being a JustAsPlanned-spamming VillainSue who just won't shut up about his InformedKindness and UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans.

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** Harvest, for being a JustAsPlanned-spamming an AllAccordingToPlan-spamming VillainSue who just won't shut up about his InformedKindness and UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans.
30th Jun '17 1:32:07 PM MBG159
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* WTHCostumingDepartment: Quite a few of the redesigns, but especially Jim Lee's Justice League - and ''especially'' Jim Lee's Superman. The design's been blamed for seriously harming the Superman line, and the bizarre choices it makes (heavily armoring a character who's invulnerable, removing the UnderwearOfPower but not adding enough red or yellow to balance it out, excessive lines and seaming making it hard to draw and messy on the page, the weird Nehru collar and extended cuffs looking militaristic) have made it a fairly common example on the internet for what not to do in character design. After much pushing, his design was completely dropped after just three years, with none of the redesigns since taking much from it, and even people who like the era have claimed that Superman was easily the worst design in his own book. A few even wished that he'd kept the [[CivvieSpandex T-shirt and jeans]] in ''[[ComicBook/GrantMorrisonsActionComics Action Comics]]'', instead of "graduating" to his "modern" look.
29th May '17 5:11:53 PM Peridonyx
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** Harvest, for being a JustAsPlanned-spamming VillainSue who just won't shut up about his InformedKindness and UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans.
4th May '17 10:21:08 AM SorPepita
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*** The results of ''Convergence'': On one end, it undid ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'' and now ''all'' stories published by DC are canon someplace-they can be expanded upon in a future time. However, many liked AlternateUniverse characters ended up coming BackForTheDead (some with more respect than others) and the stories were advertised as the GrandFinale of whichever arcs were left in the air before ''ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}}'' occurred, so maybe they will ''not'' be visited again in some time (if ever). On the other side of things, ''Comicbook/TheMultiversity'' went ahead and completely restructured the DC multi-verse, with some universes and characters from that multiverse coming BackForTheDead ''also'', [[spoiler:and the story introducing an EldritchAbomination that ''eats universes'' (and ''is still digesting the Pre-ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}} DC Universe''), is the ''physical manifestation of the growing RealLife DarknessInducedAudienceApathy in the comic book audience'', and the story ends with it not being destroyed, but held back for the time being.... which means that if someone comes along in the future and wishes to create ''their'' version of ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths''...]]

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*** The results of ''Convergence'': On one end, it undid ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'' and now ''all'' stories published by DC are canon someplace-they can be expanded upon in a future time. However, many liked AlternateUniverse characters ended up coming BackForTheDead (some with more respect than others) and the stories were advertised as the GrandFinale of whichever arcs were left in the air before ''ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}}'' occurred, so maybe they will ''not'' be visited again in some time (if ever). On the other side of things, ''Comicbook/TheMultiversity'' went ahead and completely restructured the DC multi-verse, with some universes and characters from that multiverse coming BackForTheDead ''also'', [[spoiler:and the story introducing an EldritchAbomination that ''eats universes'' (and ''is still digesting the Pre-ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}} DC Universe''), is the ''physical manifestation of the growing RealLife DarknessInducedAudienceApathy in the comic book audience'', and the story ends with it not being destroyed, but held back for the time being....being... which means that if someone comes along in the future and wishes to create ''their'' version of ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths''...]]
4th May '17 10:20:01 AM SorPepita
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: The New 52's reset button smashing was this to many fans as it took away characters from both ends of the LegacyCharacter spectrum, no matter if its old fogies like those on the ComicBook/JusticeSociety or new characters donning old names such as the Stephanie Brown ComicBook/{{Batgirl}} or Ryan Choi's version of ComicBook/TheAtom and essentially saying everything before it never happened. It also didn't help that many storylines went heavy on the DarkerAndEdgier to the point where it didn't feel like there was anything worth cheering for.

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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: The New 52's reset button smashing was this to many fans as it took away characters from both ends of the LegacyCharacter spectrum, no matter if its old fogies like those on the ComicBook/JusticeSociety ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica or new characters donning old names such as the Stephanie Brown ComicBook/{{Batgirl}} or Ryan Choi's version of ComicBook/TheAtom and essentially saying everything before it never happened. It also didn't help that many storylines went heavy on the DarkerAndEdgier to the point where it didn't feel like there was anything worth cheering for.
15th Apr '17 9:05:51 AM nombretomado
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** Mr. Freeze's backstory's alterations have come under fire, partially because they screwed up his TragicVillain background, and partially because, in the original, the CorruptCorporateExecutive who caused all the problems was a disgusting asshole who was just such a good liar and fake that everyone loved him. Both the original episode of BatmanTheAnimatedSeries and the adaptation of it in ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamOrigins'' were highly praised, and the episode won an Emmy. So, what did they do? Changed it so that, instead, it was Bruce Wayne.

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** Mr. Freeze's backstory's alterations have come under fire, partially because they screwed up his TragicVillain background, and partially because, in the original, the CorruptCorporateExecutive who caused all the problems was a disgusting asshole who was just such a good liar and fake that everyone loved him. Both the original episode of BatmanTheAnimatedSeries ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'' and the adaptation of it in ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamOrigins'' were highly praised, and the episode won an Emmy. So, what did they do? Changed it so that, instead, it was Bruce Wayne.
26th Jul '16 3:41:33 PM Anddrix
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** The New 52's take on Jason Todd is not very well liked either (even [[BaseBreaker among those that like the character as a whole]]), with many saying that in Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws, he doesn't really seem to have grown from how he was back when he was killed off in Comicbook/ADeathInTheFamily or from when he first came back from the dead (some "attempts" at development have been made, but whether or not any of them are convincing or well-written is contested). The fact that most of his appearances in this verse are written by Scott Lobdell (generally regarded as one of the worst writers working at DC right now) just exacerbates this.

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** The New 52's take on Jason Todd is not very well liked either (even [[BaseBreaker among those that like the character as a whole]]), whole), with many saying that in Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws, he doesn't really seem to have grown from how he was back when he was killed off in Comicbook/ADeathInTheFamily or from when he first came back from the dead (some "attempts" at development have been made, but whether or not any of them are convincing or well-written is contested). The fact that most of his appearances in this verse are written by Scott Lobdell (generally regarded as one of the worst writers working at DC right now) just exacerbates this.
19th Jul '16 9:24:25 AM marcoasalazarm
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** This backfired even harder when 'ComicBook/SupermanSuperLeague'' came out, [[KilledOffForReal killing off the New 52 Superman]] (and the first issue of the following ''Action Comics'' arc with the pre-''Flashpoint'' Superman pretty much setting in stone that (at least for now) he's DeaderThanDead). The way how New 52 Supes went and [[FaceDeathWithDignity Faced Death With Dignity]] was a strong enough TearJerker than people [[AlasPoorScrappy who didn't liked this version of Supes really mourned seeing him go]].

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** This backfired even harder when 'ComicBook/SupermanSuperLeague'' ''ComicBook/SupermanSuperLeague'' came out, [[KilledOffForReal killing off the New 52 Superman]] (and the first issue of the following ''Action Comics'' arc with the pre-''Flashpoint'' Superman in the starring role pretty much setting in stone that (at least for now) he's DeaderThanDead). The way how New 52 Supes went and [[FaceDeathWithDignity Faced Death With Dignity]] was a strong enough TearJerker than people [[AlasPoorScrappy who didn't liked this version of Supes really mourned seeing him go]].
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