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** He did bring death. Kandros and others were murdered by the vampires, as well as the vampirized dwarves who were then destroyed.
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[[WMG:Elan will have befriended Sunny by the time either are revisited.]]
After all, Elan has an 18 Charisma and has already shown he has an effect on Sunny, who gets pissed when Elan uses the magic word ("Please"). Also, Sunny probably doesn't get to chat with people much, and probably is eager to have a conversation with someone who isn't Serini.
* '''Confirmed''' [[https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1252.html in #1252]].
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Tarquin has [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0762.html referenced]] fighting in Pun-Duels before, and both make near constant [[ShoutOut Shout Outs]] to StarWars. Their Allignments also clash(LawfulEvil and ChaoticGood, respectively), giving them plenty of reasons to be rivals. And both are fairly famous.(Tarquin took over half the western continent, Julio was named Sexiest Man Alive.) Plus, I don't believe anyone would pass up [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0392.html this kind of opportunity]] for a BrickJoke.
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Tarquin has [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0762.html referenced]] fighting in Pun-Duels before, and both make near constant [[ShoutOut Shout Outs]] to StarWars.Franchise/StarWars. Their Allignments also clash(LawfulEvil and ChaoticGood, respectively), giving them plenty of reasons to be rivals. And both are fairly famous.(Tarquin took over half the western continent, Julio was named Sexiest Man Alive.) Plus, I don't believe anyone would pass up [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0392.html this kind of opportunity]] for a BrickJoke.
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** Confirmed.
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[[WMG: Durkon will return home alive]]
He asked how he would "finally" be returning home. As in, [[ExactWords the final time.]] So it seems likely that he will return home at least once before he dies, bringing death and destruction with him (this jives more with LawOfConservationOfDetail), leave, then return again when he dies to be buried in what remains of his caves.
** ''Thank you.'' I knew I couldn't be the only person who noticed that. Only two things were revealed by Durkon's fortune: 1) He will die outside the dwarven lands, because he could not otherwise return posthumously at all. 2) He will be returned to his homelands following that death. He can return as many times as he wants until that last fateful exit and gruesome return.
** Probably Jossed, with his [[spoiler: becoming a vampire]] making it possible to fulfill both prophecies.
** Confirmed, as he came back undead, but was Resurrected, and ultimately came back home alive.
He asked how he would "finally" be returning home. As in, [[ExactWords the final time.]] So it seems likely that he will return home at least once before he dies, bringing death and destruction with him (this jives more with LawOfConservationOfDetail), leave, then return again when he dies to be buried in what remains of his caves.
** ''Thank you.'' I knew I couldn't be the only person who noticed that. Only two things were revealed by Durkon's fortune: 1) He will die outside the dwarven lands, because he could not otherwise return posthumously at all. 2) He will be returned to his homelands following that death. He can return as many times as he wants until that last fateful exit and gruesome return.
** Probably Jossed, with his [[spoiler: becoming a vampire]] making it possible to fulfill both prophecies.
** Confirmed, as he came back undead, but was Resurrected, and ultimately came back home alive.
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[[WMG: O'Chul and Lien's mystery captor (seen in 1225) is [[TotemPoleTrench two halflings in a trenchcloak.]]]]
And one of the halflings? Serini. (The reason I say this is because the mystery guy has short arms. You'd think somebody taller would have longer arms.)
* Half... confirmed? There weren't two halflings, but there was one halfling. I guess I was right, maybe.
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* [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0678.html Confirmed.]] Inkyrius is suing V for divorce and sole custody of their (adopted) children.
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** See? If Medieval Scandinavia changes into Medieval Europe, Ancient Babylon will change into Medieval Middle-East. [[YouFailLogicForever I am make sense]].
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** See? If Medieval Scandinavia changes into Medieval Europe, Ancient Babylon will change into Medieval Middle-East. [[YouFailLogicForever [[LogicalFallacies I am make sense]].
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*** Ancient Babylon, you say? Could we be in for a ''PrinceOfPersia'' parody/pastiche?
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*** Ancient Babylon, you say? Could we be in for a ''PrinceOfPersia'' ''VideoGame/PrinceOfPersia'' parody/pastiche?
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[[WMG: By losing the necromancer's soul, Vaarsuvius is off the clock for 1/3 of the soul lease.]]
However, if V regains her soul, all time spent between the loss and recapture of the necromancer's soul will count anyway.
** Confirmed by the IFCC tallying up their time. However, the soul splice's end is permanent (the IFCC specifically said it would work only as long as V could hold onto it), so recapture was Jossed before it even came up.
--> '''Lee''': "Three minutes, six seconds for you, twenty minutes, thirty-five seconds for him and me." (since Haerta left early, and the other two souls were severed simultaneously)
[[WMG: The order will be forced to destroy Girard's gate]]
As we can see, Girard's main defenses to protect the gate are shut down because no one can maintain them. There may be some real threats added in as well so no one can tell what is real and what is fake but for the most part, it is defenseless. Now the order might try some patch work defenses like having V. cast some of the spells, resurrecting certain Draketooth family members who know how the spell works or requesting aid from the sapphire guild but with both the Linear guild and team evil knowing where the gate it, they may have to go it alone. Now if we can assume that they do not know the consequences of destroying each gate or forced to pick the lesser of two evils, on top of the fact that most stories like to run down the clock before the heroes can win, the order may be forced to cut their losses, destroy the gate, and race the villains to the last one.
* Confirmed. They did.
[[WMG: Durkon will return to his homelands... undead.]]
* Notice how the oracle said that Durkon would return to his homelands posthumously, and that there's another prophecy saying that Durkon would bring death and destruction to its people... suffice to say it would make both prophecies come true at once...
** Now that he's [[spoiler: a vampire]] this one is looking likely.
** Confirmed.
[[WMG:Roy's Fallen Sword]]
He's been given a book on Legacy Weapons and how to draw out their full potential. Somewhere in that book is probably a trick that lets someone summon their weapon to their hand, regardless of distance or location. It likely won't work right away, though. In fact, it will probably only come through when he needs it most.
* Mostly confirmed in [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1078.html 1078]], though he doesn't exactly learn that thanks to the book and it works rather smoothly.
[[WMG: Durkon will use the High Priest of Hel's access to his memories against it.]]
By forcing his new "roommate" to relive Durkon's whole life at once, causing a HeelFaceTurn. Either the High Priest will leave Durkon's body altogether (which may undo Durkon's vampirism), or they'll start [[SharingABody taking turns at the wheel]].
** So far {{Jossed}}, as the PsychicStatic seems to be failing.
** Confirmed! Durkon just needed to convince Durkula to let the memories in.
However, if V regains her soul, all time spent between the loss and recapture of the necromancer's soul will count anyway.
** Confirmed by the IFCC tallying up their time. However, the soul splice's end is permanent (the IFCC specifically said it would work only as long as V could hold onto it), so recapture was Jossed before it even came up.
--> '''Lee''': "Three minutes, six seconds for you, twenty minutes, thirty-five seconds for him and me." (since Haerta left early, and the other two souls were severed simultaneously)
[[WMG: The order will be forced to destroy Girard's gate]]
As we can see, Girard's main defenses to protect the gate are shut down because no one can maintain them. There may be some real threats added in as well so no one can tell what is real and what is fake but for the most part, it is defenseless. Now the order might try some patch work defenses like having V. cast some of the spells, resurrecting certain Draketooth family members who know how the spell works or requesting aid from the sapphire guild but with both the Linear guild and team evil knowing where the gate it, they may have to go it alone. Now if we can assume that they do not know the consequences of destroying each gate or forced to pick the lesser of two evils, on top of the fact that most stories like to run down the clock before the heroes can win, the order may be forced to cut their losses, destroy the gate, and race the villains to the last one.
* Confirmed. They did.
[[WMG: Durkon will return to his homelands... undead.]]
* Notice how the oracle said that Durkon would return to his homelands posthumously, and that there's another prophecy saying that Durkon would bring death and destruction to its people... suffice to say it would make both prophecies come true at once...
** Now that he's [[spoiler: a vampire]] this one is looking likely.
** Confirmed.
[[WMG:Roy's Fallen Sword]]
He's been given a book on Legacy Weapons and how to draw out their full potential. Somewhere in that book is probably a trick that lets someone summon their weapon to their hand, regardless of distance or location. It likely won't work right away, though. In fact, it will probably only come through when he needs it most.
* Mostly confirmed in [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1078.html 1078]], though he doesn't exactly learn that thanks to the book and it works rather smoothly.
[[WMG: Durkon will use the High Priest of Hel's access to his memories against it.]]
By forcing his new "roommate" to relive Durkon's whole life at once, causing a HeelFaceTurn. Either the High Priest will leave Durkon's body altogether (which may undo Durkon's vampirism), or they'll start [[SharingABody taking turns at the wheel]].
** So far {{Jossed}}, as the PsychicStatic seems to be failing.
** Confirmed! Durkon just needed to convince Durkula to let the memories in.
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** Confirmed with [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0886.html #866]].
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** Confirmed as of strip #818. Malack seems to have picked up on it as well, but Tarquin is like a smart, evil version of Elan, he is DangerouslyGenreSavvy.
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** Confirmed as of strip #818. Malack seems to have picked up on it as well, but Tarquin is like a smart, evil version of Elan, he is DangerouslyGenreSavvy.GenreSavvy.
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Working for that Bozzok guy... somehow, for some reason. That's why he reacts like this. http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0779.html And Ian is just asking for it with that ridiculous "you can always trust family either way" philosophy of his.
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Working for that Bozzok guy... somehow, for some reason. That's why he reacts like this. http://www.[[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0779.html this]]. And Ian is just asking for it with that ridiculous "you can always trust family either way" philosophy of his.
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**** That doesn't make sense. Ian <i>didn't/i> leave the Guild -- Bozzok arranged for him to be removed. Geoff is pretty clearly Bozzok's agent; his look when he says "did he...send you?" is him trying to figure out what Bozzok's new plan is -- the real shock for him is right after that, when he says "Wait, Bozzok's dead?" He's clearly thinking "What will that do to our arrangement?" and he's relieved to learn that Bozzok's still alive. In 770 Ian explains that however often he escapes, the Empire always finds him; obviously Geoff is tipping off the captors.
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**** That doesn't make sense. Ian <i>didn't/i> ''didn't'' leave the Guild -- Bozzok arranged for him to be removed. Geoff is pretty clearly Bozzok's agent; his look when he says "did he...send you?" is him trying to figure out what Bozzok's new plan is -- the real shock for him is right after that, when he says "Wait, Bozzok's dead?" He's clearly thinking "What will that do to our arrangement?" and he's relieved to learn that Bozzok's still alive. In 770 #770 Ian explains that however often he escapes, the Empire always finds him; obviously Geoff is tipping off the captors.
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[[WMG: Tarquin will be betrayed or abandoned by Laurin and Miron.]]
Both of them have been with him long enough to know his flair for the dramatic, and he's rejected Miron's simpler solution for killing Roy. Without Malack around to talk sense into him this time, Tarquin's going off the rails and risks getting all three of them killed - Laurin's already been set on fire and Miron's been shot with arrows then electrocuted. In the end they'll decide their best chance to survive and carry on with their plan comes from having nothing to do with Tarquin anymore, and they'll either walk away and leave him to the Order or they'll actively turn on him for all the crap he just put them through for no good reason.
* Miron, at least, got teleported away by his Contingency spell.
* Confirmed with Laurin: she unceremoniously teleported away and left Tarquin behind on Julio's airship when she began to run low on power. She did later find him (off-panel) and teleport him back to his palace, in exchange for granting the favor she had gotten promised.
[[WMG: Uncle Geoff is a traitor]]
Working for that Bozzok guy... somehow, for some reason. That's why he reacts like this. http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0779.html And Ian is just asking for it with that ridiculous "you can always trust family either way" philosophy of his.
** Geoff's apprehensive (almost fearful) "did he... send you?" rather unambiguously implies Bozzok might have sent Belkar to assassinate both of them for leaving the Guild.
*** Conceded. I didn't remember what their exact previous relationship with him was.
**** That doesn't make sense. Ian <i>didn't/i> leave the Guild -- Bozzok arranged for him to be removed. Geoff is pretty clearly Bozzok's agent; his look when he says "did he...send you?" is him trying to figure out what Bozzok's new plan is -- the real shock for him is right after that, when he says "Wait, Bozzok's dead?" He's clearly thinking "What will that do to our arrangement?" and he's relieved to learn that Bozzok's still alive. In 770 Ian explains that however often he escapes, the Empire always finds him; obviously Geoff is tipping off the captors.
* Confirmed; he did it in exchange for his son being allowed to leave the Thieves' Guild (alive).
Both of them have been with him long enough to know his flair for the dramatic, and he's rejected Miron's simpler solution for killing Roy. Without Malack around to talk sense into him this time, Tarquin's going off the rails and risks getting all three of them killed - Laurin's already been set on fire and Miron's been shot with arrows then electrocuted. In the end they'll decide their best chance to survive and carry on with their plan comes from having nothing to do with Tarquin anymore, and they'll either walk away and leave him to the Order or they'll actively turn on him for all the crap he just put them through for no good reason.
* Miron, at least, got teleported away by his Contingency spell.
* Confirmed with Laurin: she unceremoniously teleported away and left Tarquin behind on Julio's airship when she began to run low on power. She did later find him (off-panel) and teleport him back to his palace, in exchange for granting the favor she had gotten promised.
[[WMG: Uncle Geoff is a traitor]]
Working for that Bozzok guy... somehow, for some reason. That's why he reacts like this. http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0779.html And Ian is just asking for it with that ridiculous "you can always trust family either way" philosophy of his.
** Geoff's apprehensive (almost fearful) "did he... send you?" rather unambiguously implies Bozzok might have sent Belkar to assassinate both of them for leaving the Guild.
*** Conceded. I didn't remember what their exact previous relationship with him was.
**** That doesn't make sense. Ian <i>didn't/i> leave the Guild -- Bozzok arranged for him to be removed. Geoff is pretty clearly Bozzok's agent; his look when he says "did he...send you?" is him trying to figure out what Bozzok's new plan is -- the real shock for him is right after that, when he says "Wait, Bozzok's dead?" He's clearly thinking "What will that do to our arrangement?" and he's relieved to learn that Bozzok's still alive. In 770 Ian explains that however often he escapes, the Empire always finds him; obviously Geoff is tipping off the captors.
* Confirmed; he did it in exchange for his son being allowed to leave the Thieves' Guild (alive).
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[[WMG: Enor and Ganjii will help Ian Starshine escape from Tarquin.]]
* None of the three are particularly fond of him, so now that Tarquin's framed him, maybe the two will decide to give Ian a hand.
** Confirmed [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0940.html here.]]
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[[WMG: Tarquin and Julio Scoundrél have fought before, and will fight again by the end of the current arc.]]
Tarquin has [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0762.html referenced]] fighting in Pun-Duels before, and both make near constant [[ShoutOut Shout Outs]] to StarWars. Their Allignments also clash(LawfulEvil and ChaoticGood, respectively), giving them plenty of reasons to be rivals. And both are fairly famous.(Tarquin took over half the western continent, Julio was named Sexiest Man Alive.) Plus, I don't believe anyone would pass up [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0392.html this kind of opportunity]] for a BrickJoke.
* Don't forget that Elan's mom has a bunch of pictures of Julio. Could be magazine clippings, but what if they met and he posed for her.
* '''''[[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0392.html CONFIRMED!]]''''' Not only have they fought each other before, but Julio has saved many women from being forced to marry Tarquin.
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*** Nope. One degree. Orrin to their child to Penelope, but it stops there. It wouldn't go on to Tarquin from Penelope even through their child if they'd had one, let alone Elan and Nale.
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In [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0131.html Strip #131]], we learn that Haley's father Ian is being held prisoner by one Lord Tyrinar the Bloody. [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0050.html Somewhat earlier]], we see a depiction of Nale and Elan's [[Main/TheNameless never-named]] father, whose banner is blood-red... with a prominent letter "T".
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** It's simpler than that. It only kills the direct relative of the descendant. So it pretty much kills the mother or father of anybody with the blood of that dragon's lineage, but would not kill the grandparents.
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[[WMG: Malack is Tarquin's TokenGoodTeammate]]
He became fast friends with [[LawfulGood Durkon]], even helping him with his new spell. It's also possible Tarquin is paired up with him for the same reason Roy keeps Belkar around; to keep him from doing something against the party's alignment.
* Malack casts Harm and Inflict Critical Wounds in one comic, something only Evil Clerics get, if I'm not mistaken. That doesn't mean he can't be a nice dude though, he's very pleasant for an evil mastermind with a large role in the oppression of an entire continent.
** Good clerics can cast Inflict spells but they'd have to prepare them in advance, unlike evil clerics who can spontaneously cast them. However, quickened spells can't be spontaneously cast without some serious feat preparation and Harm needs to be prepared either way. However, I'm part of the "Malack is neutral" camp myself.
** Neutral clerics can choose whether they get the good or evil bonuses, so he could still be neutral as he implied.
* Pretty heavily {{Jossed}}. He plans to take over Tarquin's empire after he dies and use it to provide mass sacrifices to his god.
He became fast friends with [[LawfulGood Durkon]], even helping him with his new spell. It's also possible Tarquin is paired up with him for the same reason Roy keeps Belkar around; to keep him from doing something against the party's alignment.
* Malack casts Harm and Inflict Critical Wounds in one comic, something only Evil Clerics get, if I'm not mistaken. That doesn't mean he can't be a nice dude though, he's very pleasant for an evil mastermind with a large role in the oppression of an entire continent.
** Good clerics can cast Inflict spells but they'd have to prepare them in advance, unlike evil clerics who can spontaneously cast them. However, quickened spells can't be spontaneously cast without some serious feat preparation and Harm needs to be prepared either way. However, I'm part of the "Malack is neutral" camp myself.
** Neutral clerics can choose whether they get the good or evil bonuses, so he could still be neutral as he implied.
* Pretty heavily {{Jossed}}. He plans to take over Tarquin's empire after he dies and use it to provide mass sacrifices to his god.
