23rd Oct: It's time for the second TV Tropes Halloween Avatar Contest, theme: cute monsters! Details and voting here.
The Man in the Moon didn't abandon Jack, he specifically created him to be a sleeper agent against Pitch.Jack has different magic and abilities from the Guardians, has a different ideology (playing with kids up close rather than watching over from afar) and doesn't require belief, meaning that Pitch can't take it away. And even if Jack did have belief, Pitch would have no way to make kids stop believing in Winter, so Jack couldn't be attacked the way Pitch attacked the Guardians. Just like Pitch said, the Man in the Moon knew that Pitch would come back to attack the Guardians and so made a new Guardian, Jack, specifically to be something that Pitch had never encountered before, and thus hadn't planned for. Pitch had long term, made in advance plans for Sandy, Tooth and Bunny, but not Jack, because he didn't know Jack would be with the Guardians.
The Guardians can remove their own magic from themselves.But it won't disappear, it will just remain there. It can also be absorbed by other spirits.
Sandy gains power specifically by the belief in the supernaturality of dreams.
Baby Tooth is Jack's sister but she may not know about being Jack's sister.
Sandy was the sand a very imaginative mermaid used to sleep on before becoming a Guardian.
Pitch and Sandy controls the irrational aspects of dreams and fear.They have no power over daydreams and Adult Fears.
The Man in the Moon is an Incubator.And Pitch is a Warlock.
This film and Puella Magi Madoka Magica are set in the same universe.
Tooth is not in love with Jack.She's shown to be very affectionate, not just with Jack, but with everyone else. It's in her nature to be bubbly and spontaneous, which would explain the hugs. She goes all dreamy because of his teeth, not because of him. The reason that she blushes in the last hugging scene is because for the first time, she realizes that Jack, unlike the rest of the Guardians, is not old, or a bunny, or a little boy. (Despite Sandman's name, he very much acts like a little boy.) She's not in love with him—she jumps back because she's embarrassed and thinks that her behavior might be misconstrued.
This movie shares a continuity with The Life & Times of Santa ClausThose would be Santa's memories should he find his teeth.
Jack's sister's name…
Jack’s sister is Jamie’s ancestorThey look very similar, and it would explain why Jack was drawn to him from the beginning.
Jack Frost died in the waterHe and the other guardians are merely ghosts/spirits
Boogey Man is also the spirit of Halloween.If the Moon also revived the Guardians, I'm sure it revived Boogey Man for a particular reason.
The Easter Bunny was a regular bunny before becoming a GuardianWhy not? Maybe an especially brave bunny.
Nightlight is the Guardian of Courage and Katherine (possibly Mother Goose) is the Guardian of Imagination.
The Guardians are NasuVerse Guardians using Heroic Spirits rules via Servant Summoning.Specifically, Nasu-style non-legended Guardians who found a way to summon each other as Servants (but no Masters; no Command Seals) and are powering themselves through the faith in the "fictional" exploits of a tale; which become their selves. A Servant cannot specifically summon a Heroic Spirit's soul; but they can get someone "fictional", someone who has features close to the legend. The Movie Guardians found a loophole; they find a soul with features similar to the legend first; and then grant the fictional Persona to them. This knocks their memories into a foci object; but the amnesia helps with the transition process.
Jamie wasn't the first kid to believe in Jack Frost in 300 years.His sister was. After all, Jack managed to carry her back home and (attempted) to place her in her bed. Every other human just passed right through him. Granted, she was mostly asleep by that point, but that still shouldn't have worked if she didn't at least believe in him a little. Considering the fact she's a toddler (an age where kids will believe in everything and anything), was outside when her mom mentioned "Jack Frost nipping at your nose," and might have been awake just enough to hear one of the Guardians mention Jack taking her home, then it is possible she simply believed that he would be the one carrying her. Jack simply didn't notice the fact she believed in him and could thus touch him because he's been interacting with people he could touch all day (the Guardians and Pitch) and she was too tired to actually react to his presence in a more noticeable way like looking at him or talking to him.
Ombric (from the books) is Father Time.
Both movie and book versions of Pitch's background are true.On the main page, it is said that the movie's background of Pitch was him originally being a Guardian that used nightmares as a benevolent warning to children rather than simply a fear mongering tactic, which contradicts his background in the books of him being infected by the nightmares he was guarding in their prison. What if both versions are true? What if Pitch got his powers by the means described in the books, but instead of going straight to evil fear mongering nightmare king, he tried to use said powers for good for a while, and then got overwhelmed by them.
Other Possible Guardian NomineesBecause there has to be other Legendary characters running around that could have been chosen instead of Jack Frost. These could include:
There are people who are allies to the GuardiansThinking that there are adults who either believed in and saw the Guardians as children and never really stopped believing. They work to help protect children's sense of hope, wonder and magic via more mundane means. Notable potential allies include;
Jamie will die young protecting children and become a Guardian as wellIt seems fitting for a kid like him.
Pitch (in the movie) was the first of... whatever the guardians and Jack are.He was the first story, the first personification. Long ago, the first time some person thought of the dark of a forest or a moonless night as an "it" instead of a "there", he was there.
There was a Frost before Jack, but he abdicated himself.Before Jack, there was already a spirit of winter, but instead of winter fun, he was the personification of biting cold. Literally. His schtick was that the sharp feeling you get, "Jack Frost nipping at your [nose/toes/whatever]", is him or his fairy/yeti/sand equivalent biting you, and taking not pieces of flesh, but pieces of warmth and life. He got sick of life or being vilified, and gave up his powers and his existence. Now all that's left of him are Jack's powers and possibly a footnote in a textbook or two about extinct folklore.
Jack is the cause of paradoxical warmth.He's the reason the last thing you feel when you freeze to death is a comforting warmth. This puts some irony in his statement that he could only keep the baby tooth fairy cold, but if he understands this part of his power, he'd have known that would definitely not have helped her stay alive in the cold.
Pitch's plan initially all revolved around getting rid of his biggest opposition: SandmanIf you think about it, a lot of his plan seemed like diversionary tactics. He barely engages the Guardians until the fight with Sandman. Why? Because he needed to take Sandman out first and foremost. He draws power from corrupting the dreams of children, dreams that would normally be under the protection of Sandman. But when North calls the meeting Sandman is distracted from his duties and unless he can control the sand telepathically, the children's dreams are mostly left unguarded. Pitch takes this as an opportunity to destroy as many dreams as possible, becoming stronger. By the time he actually confronts Sandman, he's strong enough to attack and eventually defeat his enemy. Yeah, getting children to stop believing in the Tooth Fairy was part of his plan too, but he also knew that the Guardians look out for each other and the longer time Sandman spent helping Tooth instead of attending to his dream duties, the stronger Pitch could become. With Sandman out of the way, the Guardians were suddenly much, much weaker and Pitch had an easier goal to reach.
Pitch was the reason for the ice cracking beneath Jack's sisterPitch's lair is right next to the pond and the ice cracking caused a lot of fear for her. Maybe he wanted to kick off his army with a fearling but human!Jack unknowingly ruined his plans by almost literally laughing in the face of death?
Pitch was intended to be a Dark Is Not Evil guardianJust because he's Dark Is Evil doesn't mean the moon intended him to be. Many people think that a little Nightmare Fuel is good for kids it can be fun and also teaches them how to deal with fear as adults. Pitch just couldn't handle what Jack went through and snapped.
Tooth Fairy is an albinoIt would explain why she is pale despite being vaguely Indian.
The Grim Reaper provided the coins to the GuardiansHe has a collection of coins from Ancient Greece, and when he saw them in need of coins he loaned them some money.
Bunny's drastic change from his book counterpart is due to eating too much chocolateFollowing the train of logic that the film takes place 200 years after the novels, and we know Bunnymund restrains himself from indulging on chocolate because it affects his species in very unsual and unstable ways. After all their adventures together, the slow build up of chocolate in his system has caused Bunnymund to give into his more primal urges, and as a result more human. Therefore this version of Bunnymund is not nearly as reserved and distant; he's brash, wears his emotions on his sleeves and unlike the books, Bunny does not talk down to North and the others, not placing himself on a pedastal above humanity (although he's already showing signs of toning that down in the books as well). And as for the grey fur, much like North, Bunny is getting along in his old age.
Legendary terrors were people recruited by Pitch to become his own Anti-Guardians.Pitch has tried to counter the Man in the Moon and his Guardians by putting together his own team of Guardians, or Anti-Guardians, a Legion of Doom who will one day do battle with the Guardians if they havent already done so. The Anti-Guardians were once mortals who were hand-picked by pitch because they were the biggest Child Haters of their time, and were happy to carry out his work of spreading fear to children. The Anti Guardian roster: -Baba Yaga.... arguably the orginal Wicked Witch. -The Tall Tailor/Scissorman.....neat freak who cuts the thumbs off of kids who suck them. -Krampus/Belsnickel.... punishes naughty kids at Christmas -Bloody Mary....Spectre that appears in mirror when name is called -And last but not least, Pitch's newest recruit. He was a young guy, possibly a child himself. Used to be a notorious internet troller. Now he's Slender Man.
Jack's center being fun is why he didn't snap due to isolationIn real life, people who undergo isolation for extended periods for a long do not wind up just fine enough some help after the isolation ends. Jack's Center being fun sheltered him from that.
Sandy is actually the strongest of The Guardians.The reason being is that he gets his power not from belief in The Sandman, but belief in the dreams themselves, and there is nothing people cherish more than their dreams. This is why he is able to defeat Pitch so easily when fully-powered.
The Kingdom Keepers is in the same universe as Rise of the GuardiansThey both have a similar premise — fictitious characters coming to life because of children's belief — and both have a group of characters who defend the world from evil characters. The only reason the two series haven't been shown as crossing over is because two different companies own them.
Centre is another word for OriginOrigin is, according to Type-Moon wiki, "the starting point that defines one's existence and directs one's actions throughout life. It is the driving force from the inside of Akasha that managed to stream out of the Source and take material form. These actions are more along the lines of an inherent compulsion that could be called a person's instinct rather than a conscious decision." Works, if only because, like North, Touko used Matryoshka Dolls to explain Origin in the seventh Kara no Kyoukai movie.
Kozmotis Pitchiner and Pitch Black are not the same person.I can't help but notice that nobody ever calls him "Pitch Black" in any of the books, nor does anyone in the movie call him "the Nightmare King." He's also not using his Fearlings anymore, having switched completely to Nightmares stolen from Sandy, and there's the implication in the second novel that Pitch the Nightmare King hates the nickname "Boogieman" while Pitch Black in the movie seems to take pride in it. Conclusion? Sometime before the end of the novel series, the Guardians will figure out how to separate Kozmotis Pitchiner from the Fearlings that devoured him. Pitchiner gets returned to his daughter, while some remnant of the creature he used to be (possibly powered by corrupted dream-sand) takes on the names "Pitch Black" and "The Boogieman" continues on as a separate entity. Without Pitchiner and the Fearlings, he no longer has the power he once wielded, and the Guardians are able to reasonably assume he won't prove a threat once the Dark Ages end. It then takes him 300+ years to find a new source of power and try to take his revenge, which is where the movie picks up.
Jack Frost is not as lonely as we are meant to think.Jack clearly knows the other guardians before joining them
Yetis are related to the Lorax.Only they're bigger and duller colored.
Each of the Guardians is linked with a different continent or landmass
When belief is low, a Guardian becomes what they fear most
The movie IS in the same continuity as the books, but the comics are notThe differences between movie!characters and book!characters is simple. Belief. In the books, when Ombric and the bear die, the children bring them back by the sheer force of their belief. However, it was mentioned that their appearances changed (the brown bear became a freaking polar bear, for example). So why not the Guardians? What if their life-force was preserved by the sheer force of the belief towards them? The belief would cause their appearances to change (since most kids only ever hear stories, so they wouldn't know what they looked like), and would explain why no belief could kill them. It would end their extended lives.
Pitch wanted Jack to stop him.I haven't read the books yet, but i've read enough about them to know that he started out as a good man. Suppose that deep down, the person Pitchiner used to be was horrified by what he had become and wanted to be stopped. That would explain why, after breaking Jack's staff, Pitch tossed it into the same crevice Jack had landed in. He knew Jack would be able to fix it without too much trouble and subconsciously wanted Jack to fix it and come after him again.
The real reason Jack is not considered Guardian material is because he endangers children.The Guardians of Childhood are all about protecting children. With Jack Frost you get snow days, but you also get freak blizzards and snowstorms. Children and the elderly are the most vulnerable to cold, and access to proper heating has not been available until relatively recently. It's quite possible in Jack's 300 years as a spirit he has made children get sick or die of hypothermia. Jack tops North's naughty list, after all. It's quite possible it is due to Jack recklessly endangering children's lives.
The reason the elves keep giving Jack those curled-toed blue shoes...... is because Nightlight wore them. Prior to the movie, something happened to Nightlight but the elves couldn’t comprehend that, so they think Jack is Nightlight but missing his shoes. So they make shoes for him to replace his missing ones, but they don’t understand Jack isn’t Nightlight, that Nightlight’s gone.
Jack and his sister are the children, or at least decedents of Nightlight and Katherine.Because that would be the coolest twist ever, as well as an additional reason Manny picked Jack, sure, he died saving his little sister, but tons of people do that, the reason Manny brought him back was that he couldn't stand the thought of the descendent of his dearest friend dying so young.
Pitch and his powers are related to the Nightmare Forces in some way, or even be the same thing.Maybe Kozmotis Pitchiner was the original guardian of the Nightmare energy. Or maybe the Man in the Moon put him up to it after the Nightmare Forces were defeated a second time. Who knows, maybe Luna put the Man in the Moon up to it. Moving on, there are some surprisingly similar elements the falls of Kozmotis and Luna (as well as Rarity) have in common. One thing that's noticeable is that the modus operandi of both whatever corrupted the Fearlings/Pitch and the Nightmare Forces/Nightmare Moon and Nightmare Rarity is of corruption of good creatures (the Fearlings and nightmare creatures are evil-ified children and moon denizens, respectively), powers over darkness, and exploitation of their enemies' deepest fears and/or desires. The evil forces even have a kind of hierarchy as well—in order to get anything done, the now-corrupted creatures seem to actively seek out someone to make their ruler and leader. This ruler is seen to have been duped/manipulated into the job when the force takes advantage of their own flaws & weaknesses...whether they be man or pony. Then the dominant spirit of evil enters and takes over the body and mind of the prospective ruler, basically turning them into its avatar—be it Pitch or Nightmare Moon/Nightmare Rarity. This dominant spirit may even be one and the same, being genderless until it inhabits an avatar...and as a result acts a bit differently depending on the original host's personality. To put the icing on the cake, Pitch and Nightmare Rarity were both defeated when the protagonists used the power of good memories to restore the faith of children everywhere in the former and Rarity's faith in herself in the latter, leading to the avatar's ultimate defeat. And finally, Pitch threatens his return with As Long as There Is Evil...while after her first defeat inhabiting Luna, Nightmare Moon does return in the comics inhabiting Rarity. The incredible similarity of all this can not be just a coincidence, people. This may also explain Pitch's Bond Villain Stupidity as well, since Pitchiner is by now just a prisoner in his own body trying to escape or at the very least staunch Pitch's evil. For bonus points: Nightmare Moon is even regarded as a boogeyman of sorts in Equestria in the episode "Luna Eclipsed", and presumably before then as well.
Bunnymund is related to HarveyBoth are 6'3 rabbits, but are actually Pookas, and are invisible to mortals except those who believe in them.
Manny isn’t really a case of Good Is Not NiceHe is actually just a Shrinking Violet who’s winging the whole thing. He considered Jack’s origins to be an Awful Truth and didn’t know how to tell him.