- "Ghost" simply means an individual's self-identity that can't be fully determined from any individual component of their physiology. They're not supernatural souls, just something that can't be fully quantified with modern technology. If you are capable of asking "do I have a ghost?", and understanding the question, it means that you have one. Incidentally, why would people assume that the year is around 2030's in this scenario?
- "an individual's self-identity that can't be fully determined from any individual component of their physiology." Defines soul. Just because he removes the religious aspects to the question, doesn't change the fact that the two concepts are the same.
- This is dangerously close to being an discussion about nothing but semantics, but to me a soul implies a transcendental existance independent of a physical manifestation. A ghost is perhaps just a singular consciousness, a sentint presence, which does not necessarily imply independence from physical manifestation. The word soul has implications not shared with the word sentience (or perhaps 'ghost' in the context of the film). Back to the main point though - a major running theme of the film (perhaps the main theme, even) is that humanity isn't an important concept anymore, because what defines our existance is our ghost, not its origin or its container/shell. To say that 'humans haven't existed in a long time' I think misses this point, or are you saying that a ghost is not necessarily truely sentient? Otherwise I am not sure what distinction is being made here between a sentience (indistinguishable from that of an original human) contained in a cybernetic brain, and an original human.
- This doesn't quite work, as it's specifically mentioned in a summary of the laughing man incident that two unaugmented homeless people saw his real face.
- "Ghost" simply means an individual's self-identity that can't be fully determined from any individual component of their physiology. They're not supernatural souls, just something that can't be fully quantified with modern technology. If you are capable of asking "do I have a ghost?", and understanding the question, it means that you have one. Incidentally, why would people assume that the year is around 2030's in this scenario?
After a lot of experiments they came up with the first cyborg thanks to the Transformers.
- I'd like to know where you heard about this "SVR", this "August Coup", and this "CIS". The only CIS I know of from the series is the Central Intelligence Agency that Ghoda works for.
- "CIS" stands for Commonwealth of Independent States. This includes: Russia, Armenia, Belarus, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzia, Azerbaijan, Moldova. So
- The "Ameri-Soviet Union" was renamed to the Russo-American Alliance post 1992 in real life just to keep with the events. According to Appleseed, the Cold War came to a peaceful resolution with the formation of the Russo-American Alliance, which as you mentioned, was one of the three countries the United States eventually turned into. In Appleseed, this same peaceful resolution somehow also formed the American Empire, but no detail is given just how it did. In the SAC universe, the 2nd American Civil War in 2016 resulted in the American Empire splitting off. See the entry on Divided States of America for the full details and the states that got split into what.
- Going back to Russia: The Appleseed supplementary material was written in 1986 (and thus is quite out of date even by it's own standards- Shirow admits this), but the "Soviet Federation" remains an independent country from the European Commonwealth that formed. China has actually expanded significantly after they switched to a democratic government (having a gigant meteor land right on Beijin and leaving a crater literally the size of Texas made them change their ways). India, Mongolia, and the Southern Asian countries are now absorbed into it, as well as North Korea and a small portion of Russia's eastern part. Russia does still exist in the GITS universe, but there's not much information about it in the SAC verse.
- Doesn't work for the Stand Alone Complex version because 1) She's specifically stated to the survivor of a plane crash that killed all but one other person and left her in a deep coma and 2) the other person (who also became a fully body cyborg) is an anti-government rebel.
Obviously, Instrumentality failed spectacularly in that everyone came back quickly, possably that day, and all the prosthetic body parts and mechs could easily come from commercialization of equipment from Project E. The reason Shinji and Asuka are never mentioned or seen is because after Third Impact and Instrumentality, they voluntarily went into hiding, and are probably living contently in some remote location.
- The Laughing Man is undoing her hacks in real-time to expose the truth behind the neferious workings of the GITS committee. Information Wants to Be Free!
These three movies were before Ghost in the Shell, (1995) and are very similar to it. All four works are somewhere that someone would want to escape from. Possibly except for The Brave Little Toaster, they are crime ridden, war torn, and poverty stricken places. In all four works, the world is dangerous and treacherous, and parts and abilities of characters can be stolen and sold off. The Hero is human in none of these stories. In all except The Brave Little Toaster, the ending is a vast firefight near, or in, a body of water.
- In The Brave Little Toaster, (1987) a human abandons a group of sentient appliances, who then fight against impossible odds in a hostile world to win back their master. Then, in Stand Alone Complex: MACHINES DESRANTES, The Major tries to have her loyal tanks vivisected. Some survive, and fight against impossible odds in a hostile world to win back their master.
- In The Little Mermaid (1989), a 15 year old girl sold her voice, with her voice removed, not voice acting, and had her lower body replaced with prostheses. The protagonist is in her museum when she sings a song of anthropological ambition, and her father uses an multiple rocket launching, individually portable weapon to destroy her museum, in a multiple rocket launching rage. Basically, he blew a confined, water-filled space to bits with them both inside. She tried to romance someone, and had to compete against someone that used a full prosthetic body and The Power of Rock to manufacture sex appeal. The protagonist reneged on her agreement, and in the ensuing underwater, massive, ultra-destructive armed struggle, the most competent characters in the entire movie were killed by their own employer in one volley of gunfire. The firefight involved a powerful captured weapon. The protagonist grew up and had a doomed marriage.
- Humanity is like a security blanket in Ghost in the Shell (GITS), and humanity helps protect against cyberbrain attacks. GITS has lots of existentialist philosophizing and humanity-supporting knickknacks, like The Major's wristwatch, for example. So both GITS and The Little Mermaid have humanity as a virtue, existentialist philosophy, and humanity-knickknacks. Many characters in both works use fire based weapons, and at least two characters in each work use prostheses. Both types of equipment are very effective in both works. At the end of both movies, a main character is resurrected, and two characters in The Little Mermaid and Stand Alone Complex get coupled: Eric and Ariel get married to each other. Motoko gets in the body that she likes much better, and Motoko and Bateau stand around together barely clothed in an apartment. Guess what happens next.
- In the All Dogs Go to Heaven (1989) franchise, the protagonists prominently include two undead gangsters that cheat at least one of their human allies. A car is used as a weapon. They rely on pocket watches for their survival, and race against time in a fight for survival against impossible odds in a crime-ridden, poverty-stricken, filthy world. There was much alcohol, gambling, greed, gunfire, and risk of getting eaten alive. One of the dogs went to hell, not heaven.
- In SA - Automated Capitalism, the principal is a dead stock trader that seems to be alive because of commands coming from his computer, falsely suggesting that he still does business from that computer. In GITS, many villains are business motivated criminals, and a protagonist, Pazu, is rumored to be a former gangster. The Major constantly has her pocket watch with her, and the one time that she seems not to have it, she is "killed". There are plenty of criminals and poor people in GITS, and there are alleys covered in trash and blackened with grime. In MISSING HEARTS and CAPTIVATED, organs were or nearly were stolen, so in a sense people were eaten alive. There was also plenty of sex, alcohol drinking, and gunfire in GITS.
- This theory is ridiculous because GITS is clearly the sequel to Blade Runner. The main difference is that it's set in Japan, where it doesn't rain as much as it does in L.A., and instead of the police hunting down cyborgs, they are cyborgs.
- Replicants are androids, not cyborgs. Rather Japan is different because they have fewer restrictions on prosthetics and due to the necessity of cheap labor (from negative population growth) they haven't banned replicants like America has.
- That's an attractive idea, but it's unfortunately impossible. My guess is that Aoi would have been born a number of years after L's death.
- Sperm bank.
- How would that be pronounced?
- The Chinese pronunciation is máo.
- Secondary materials confirm his cyborg frame is heavily reinforced and his speciality is Demolition and EOD.
- He also had a crush on Togusa and his beautiful mullet. Admit it, so did you.
- The show and the movie are explicitly two entirely different continuities, in no way linked together by any way, other than being inspired by the original manga. Word of God can attest to that. The Major in all three continuities has a slightly different personality: in the manga she is slightly shallow and aimless individual with good helping of Deadpan Snarker in the mix. When the Puppeteer hitchhikes in her subconscious (in this continuity it takes months before she actually fuses with him), she becomes the cold, detached, yet deeply uncertain individual who the movie's Major is mostly based on. The series Major is amalgamation of all three; more serious and focused than the early manga Major, but still quite snarky and lively compared to her movie incarnation.
- That they're not the same continuity is a given. This is just an attempt at Canon Welding. Having not read the manga, I can't comment on it, but it is implied that the show takes place after the events of the movie. (Isn't it?)
- It's not. The events of the movie never transpired in the series. The Puppetmaster does not exist at all, and the Major only leaves Section 9 between 2nd Gig and Man-Machine Interface, never prior to it. Also, the characters in the series are meant to be distinctly younger and more optimistic than their movie counterparts. This is especially clear with Aramaki, who in the movies is a rather lethargic and detached individual, but in the series he's a hot-blooded, driven man with an unbending sense of justice.
- That they're not the same continuity is a given. This is just an attempt at Canon Welding. Having not read the manga, I can't comment on it, but it is implied that the show takes place after the events of the movie. (Isn't it?)
We couldn't ascend from bone-weilding apes to spacefaring humans in one step (never minding how the movie portrays this). Likewise, we can't ascend from meat-based lifeforms straight to godlike transdimensional energy beings in one-step. Like their Precursors, humans first have to ascend to cybernetic, then to completely android, only then can they move on to energy beings. Thus, the starchild that David Bowman was sent back to Earth as was actually a cyborg. At that point the human race began a slow ascent to cybernetic life, and cyborgs aka starchildren are becoming commonplace by the time Ghost in a Shell is set.