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New items at the top, please! (But underneath this line.)
(General troubleshooting can go here.)
Looney Toons: What the hell is this "Zodiac" crap that's showing up when you look at the history or markup for Public Domain Character? It occupies almost the entire screen and makes it impossible to select most of the page functions. Looking at the page source it seems to have originally been part of an edit on 7/19 by "Zodiac 125.76.226.12" which he almost immediately undid, but it never took over the screen before today. Fast Eddie: I had to zap the history for that entry to get rid of it, but it is gone now. BOFH: Punctuated title markup seems to work in regular wiki pages only. It would be nice if it also worked in YKTTWs. The Bad Wolf: can we get a Just For Fun style category banner for Spoilered Rotten. I'm assuming you have to have some sort of super admin like wiki powers to do this, if not how do you do it ? fleb: Wondering about page history again-- Is there a way to look back further than twenty revisions? And could there be a handy way to view a whole past revision of a page? (So that you can see the context of removed lines, etc.) Fast Eddie: That's in, with a compromise. The default is now the last 10 changes. If you carea bout more, you can click 'all'' and get the whole magilla. Be prepared to wait, if you do so. fleb: I just tried that on a few high-traffic pages, and it didn't give 'all' changes; just twenty edits instead of ten. Fast Eddie: Yeah, the limit went back in, while we chase this performance thing-y. Black Humor: Can we get a way to make a comment on an edit? Like "deleting these lines due to natter" "deleting this example because it's wrong", that sort of thing. iamtroper: I'd use the discussion pages. Cassius335 Actually it'd be nice not to have to fill the discussion pages with that sort of thing anymore. Leaves more room for actual dscussion. If you want to argue an edit, then use discussion, I guess. Big T: How 'bout we change the message in WMG et al., since we have a Main Trope icon? Instead, let's say,
Big T: I found this on YKTTW, and it seems like a good suggestion. You know, something we really need in YKTTW is some way for the
original poster or a sysadmin to completely delete duplicate posts.
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Looney Toons: Whoa. I just got my first "database hates you" result in literally months for Sequelitis just now -- 8/17, 10:45 PM. Are we having problems again? Fast Eddie: Not really. Just an atypical traffic surge. Big T: I've been noticing that the site times out before loading occasionally. Related? Citizen: Jones, a useless vandal page, has been created once again. But since it was deleted once before using the Cut List tool, I can't put it on there, since the tool thinks a request already exists. Looney Toons: How hard would it be to include an offset value in the "Known" cookie and use it to adjust the time/date stamps in "New" and "Watchlist" entries for the troper's local time zone? Cassius335: While we're on the subject of YKTTW, can you please move the "Set Keep Date" button and the "Looking For A Discussion You Thought was here" box up to the top? It's annoying having to scroll down to 'em. Oh, and some way of adding entire namespaces (except 'Main') to a watchlist would be nice. Trying to keep up with "Crowning Moment" is getting rediculous with the new sub-sub-pages. fleb: I noticed you can reply on unlaunched YKTTW's from their discussion.php  pages now, which is great. But you show up as Unknown Troper, kind of like before Janitor's original change.
Nate The Great: Could we alter the launch process to make the launcher add the new trope to at least one index? At least a reminder tag or something. It's just that Orphaned Tropes make me sad. :( Citizen: Can we have something on the flagged-only YKTTW list that lets you know if one of the discussions you're 'watching' has been launched? Unless I missed something when I launched a discarded YKTTW to the Discarded YKTTW again... Eric DVH: Instead of just launching a malnourished nubbin of an article for a work, I'll often make redlinks to it and then only actually write an article once I can find lots of trope pages that “link” it. I think a very handy tool would be a special page that automatically lists the most heavily referenced redlinks (say… ≥10,) sort of an inverse of “related to…” and Trope Overdosed. Citizen: Can you make it so the Launches tool shows who launched the trope? fleb: Two more quasi-similar ykttw things. This ykttw 's title shows up as just 'Changing' on launches, I'm guessing because of the " character. Thing the second: The Farmer And The Viper Discussion got generated with a \' escaped-thing instead of just a ' character.
Citizen: The Darth Wiki inversion doesn't show up when you use http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DarthWiki.ThisExists instead of This Exists.
J Bridge: Maybe we could make it easier to get directly to pages? For example, if I type "http://tvtropes.org/WikiTechList ", it would redirect me to "http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main.WikiTechWishList". This would be an easy to look something up if you're just browsing and you want to look something up on the site. Besides, custom searches have been mysteriously killed.
Fast Eddie: Not sure what you mean by "custom searches have been mysteriously killed". Nothing has changed about search recently other than the inclusion of punctuated titles.
The "pretty url" idea will go on the list.
J Bridge: Custom searches are a nifty little tool on Firefox and Opera. Right-click on a search box and select "Add a keyword for this search" or something similar. Put in the keyword you want, (t for example) and type in "t Doom" to search for Doom. Besides, the problem is probably with my copy of Opera.
Big T: Is this last part still a problem? I've been learning how to make search applets, so I might be able to help. Hit me up on my discussion page.
Fast Eddie: Quick-n-dirty tool for seeing if an index has all its items. (da tool )
This goes out and gets the names of all the item that have been marked as being on the given index, then reports the ones it can't find on the index page. To use it, change the index name in the URL. You'll need to use curly-brackets for one-word index names. Regular Wiki Word is fine for the others.
Citizen: All In The Family is listed by the tool for Series because it uses {{All in the Family}}. And probably so for a few others. (I really should do my research first, eh Eddie? =P)
Fast Eddie: I guess that's the "dirty" part of "quick-n-dirty." :-) A fix is on the way. //later: That should be cleared up.
Citizen: Still not working for {{Yu-Gi-Oh 5Ds}} for some reason. Pokémon is also on that list thanks once again to that "é"-bug. Could you rename that to Pokemon? We can worry about putting it through the punctuated title thing later. The final entry still in the "Index Actuals" for anime is one of the new punctuated titles. Are any of these new titles working right with the index markup?
Fast Eddie: Only if potholed. {{Yu-Gi-Oh 5Ds}} ovverides the regular spacing rules (the '5Ds' bit). As long as we understand why "Actuals" is reporting it and the punct'd titles, we've got a reasonable check.
arromdee: Using the tool on the example already in it (on the Tropes page) will claim that Meta Morph and Senseless Waste Of Human Life are marked as being in Tropes but aren't in it. That's not true. (They're redirects, but neither the redirect nor the page they redirect to is marked as being in Tropes.)
Gloating Swine: The search function also needs to be updated to cope with punctuation in trope names. Currently it ignores it, so it won't return the punctuated versions. The New Edits list frequently returns them as blank titles as well. Fast Eddie: That's cleared up. Lupis42: Is there any way to get a list of pages on the wiki that link TO a particular entry? Handy both for title updates (Sliding Scaleof Idealism Vs Cynicism) and my own amusement. Fast Eddie: See Synonyms on the "New Edits" Tools menu. Large Blunt Object: The "Related To" button just beneath the search bar might be what you're looking for. Fast Eddie: Ah. Better answer. I've got redirects on the brain. Citizen: Speaking of Synonyms, why is the Synonyms tool listed in the Tools menu on, say, the Watchlist, but not for about everywhere else? Cassius335: Currently the watchlist wipes it's previous "new edit to page" spots every time it refreshes. Would it be possible to get it to not do that and instead only remove the spots on pages I've visited recently? Ditto the "New Edits" list (though weirdly, pages visted on one list seem to not have their spots upon accessing the other list...) Fast Eddie: There's more accounting to that than meets the eye. It can be done, but it will be behind a few other items in the work queue. arromdee: It would be great if normal Wiki Words would automatically lowercase certain words; i.e., if LordOfTheRings would turn into "Lord of the Rings" because the parser recognizes words like "of" and "the". Curly braces could still be used to override this behavior if you really wanted it capitalized (or if the parser gets it wrong). I suggested this a while back and someone pointed out that curly braces can be used for lowercase words. This is true, and I've tried to use it myself when I can, but just about nobody else does. It would be absurd to go through every page just to fix all the uppercase The's and And's. Automatically lowercasing unimportant words would instantly make 95% of the Wiki look much less silly. Fast Eddie: Assuming that "less silly" would meet our goals... ;-) That aside, proper grammar is desirable. Everything about WikiWords needs some programming attention. We need apostrophes, for example, as we do all other punctuation. Every attempt to do these things has broken everything else in the test environment. We call for patience. There must be a way to do these things. Looney Toons: I was one of the most vociferous objectors to the idea long ago when someone first suggested it, but I think the time has come to say: maybe it's time to move to Mediawiki or a clone thereof. Fast Eddie: On (anyway nearly on) that topic, please have a look at this forum item.
Looney Toons: (Goes and reads) Oh, well, in that case...
Citizen: How about fixing the index markup system so that it picks up italicized links for the forward/backward links? Citizen: If you edit the OP of a YKTTW discussion, it drops the name of the original poster (and just lists the person who edited the post)... Duckluck: Wait, you can edit other people's YKTTW posts? chubbyboy: It would be enormously convenient if the body text of a YKTTW entry were sent to the new trope's page upon launch. Janitor: If you follow the link copied into the new article's discussion page, you will find a "Show Markup" button at the top of the closed YKTTW discussion. Using that, you can quickly copy-n-paste both the body of the YKTTW and its replies into the new article. Shay Guy: My observations of Firefox 3.0: YKTTW is different now. When loading a list of replies, it no longer freezes the browser at all. However, if you try to load one list of replies while another is already loading, they will be identical. Browser problem, site problem, or both? Janitor: Thanks for the report. It's under investigation. The easy workaround, of course, is don't do that. ;-) Citizen: Would it be possible to add a markup to change the namespace of any wikiwords that follow? Like, for an It Just Bugs Me page, you throw in a [[namespace=Main]] and all wikiwords that don't explicitly declare a namespace point to Main links instead of It Just Bugs Me links until a [[/namespace]] or [[namespace=JustBugsMe]] is reached. I don't know how much work this would require or confusion this might cause, but it seems like it would be very useful for those kinds of pages...
Micah: If it's not too processor-intensive, it'd be useful to have a companion tool to the Orphan List, showing index markup that doesn't have a corresponding backlink. Citizen: I've already suggested this myself, further down this page. Janitor: We're working on something that will generate index pages (the list portion, that is), which should solve the real problem. Citizen: But what if, say, someone moves a bunch of tropes from one index to another but doesn't update the index markups? Citizen: A tool to replace the Synonyms page. Synonyms is not a complete list anyway, since it relies on tropers remembering to update the list with redirects. Since you can easily find redirects to a given page with a body search for, say, [[redirect:CutList]], it doesn't seem like it would be that much trouble to do this automatically and generate a master list, sorted by the page being redirected to. As a bonus, maybe you could list at the bottom of a given page all the titles that redirect to it.
Janitor: Here is a first take. The per-page list idea will have to wait. It is processing per display, which represents millions of additional queries per day.
Citizen: There's another untouchable page ("Jem!") on the Orphan List. I can't access the page/history, so I don't know how it was created, but can you put in a way to block from use titles that contain "odd" characters, like punctuation and accented characters like é (which has been quite problematic in the past)? Citizen: History makes no distinction between identified tropers and those who aren't. If I put myself as the author on the edit page, it's the same as if I identified myself first. Could you put in some way of distinguishing between the two? Citizen: Search Wiki was on the orphan list... So Yeah... Sorry about that. =P Janitor: What, exactly, did you do? It is all hosed up, and I don't see a quick way to fix it. Citizen: Tried to add an index markup, then tried to revert my edit when that screwed things up, and so forth. See the history. Fast Eddie: Crickies! Boy tries to have a few brews on a Friday, next thing he knows, he's on the Intertubes trying to remember that programming stuff... Janitor: "...on the Intertubes"? Try "propped up in front of the Intertubes by the women in his drunken life." Get programming, boy, or resolve yourself to a long life of recriminations offered up in shrill tones! Fast Eddie: There. Citizen, me brother, don't do that, okay? It causes all these women around here to be shrill. Citizen: Why is it that Search Wiki is a regular page, anyway? There's a php "bodysearch" tool , after all, so why not make all searching a tool and get rid of this page so this doesn't happen again? Get it off the Orphan List, too.
Citizen: How about, whenever a page is put on the Cut List tool, a red bar at the top is displayed (similar to the "Contributor's Page" bar) indicating that it is up for cutting? Citizen: The new Cut List tool ought to be added to the Tools menu. It would be nice if the tool could list what pages were deleted or were kept in the end. And while I'm thinking about Tools, might discussion pages attached to the tools be useful? Fanra: I'm not sure if the Cut List tool is involved but someone deleted Aint No Rule and it had to be brought back from Google cache. If people are allowed to delete pages (not the contents but the page itself) then we need some holding spot for them so we can bring them back when necessary. Citizen: I don't remember seeing that on either Cut List... BOFH: It would be nice if the Wiki Syntax Guide that you get when editing a regular page were also displayed when adding or replying to a YKTTW. Fanra: Is it possible to get the edit box larger (more lines)? Janitor: We're working on a re-layout of the edit screen that should enable that. It is essentially two columns, one for the markup reminders/controls and one for the box itself. The edit box will be a little thinner, but taller. Fanra: A preview button would also be nice. Janitor: That has been on the list for a really long time. Still there, but no ETA. Fanra: Also, I'm quite confused about what the "as draft" box does when you check it... Janitor: Exactly the same things as when it is not checked, except that the change is not reflected on the "New Edits" list for 24 hours. It helps keeps people off it until you are done serial editing it. Fanra: It would be nice would be when you Launch a trope, a box opens with a template to help you [...] divided up by media type. Janitor: There is a button on the edit screen to install the by-media categories. Fanra: Ah, I see there is actually a "Add Media Categories Template" button on top, but I never noticed it. I suggest it be moved down to just above "Add index markup". Also, the categories are listed alphabetically, which is good, except for Live Action TV which is on top and should be moved to the proper place. Adding Real Life and Web Comics would not be a bad idea either. The "as draft" should be, when you get around to redoing the edit page, have a description that explains what it does because "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means". Thanks for pointing out the "Add Media Categories Template" button, though, now that I know it exists, it will make things easier for me. And thanks for the reply and information. Citizen: Didn't "as draft" grow out of a request for a preview function? Either way, something to let you see changes to markup caused by your edits without actually editing the page would be welcomed. Janitor: Items seen on the forums, listed here to keep track of them:
fleb: The Pitch Generator and Story Generator, which are otherwise awesome, sometimes produce stuff like "Flash Back meets Television," and "Villain: Characters." The PG also seemed to pull in non-title links from pages like Notable Sci Fi Webcomics, e.g. "Snakes On A Plane meets near future". Maybe it should only include a link if it's the first string in a paragraph? fleb: This got lost when this page was blanked before. The blue-link/red-link logic is namespace-blind -- if a Main/TropeName page exists, a Discontinuity/TropeName link will be blue even if it doesn't exist, and vice versa. janitor: Since the vast majority of in-page links are to the Main namespace, it sort of makes sense to have Main the default namespace everywhere and to only require Namespace/TropeName markup for links not in Main. That way, the redlinker code would have the same job everywhere. Anyone see a problem with that? Big T: No problem from me. But I'm not sure if you understood fleb's problem. Discontinuity.Zero Punctuation, for example, doesn't exist, and, thus, should be red. It shouldn't matter that Main.Zero Punctuation exists. Another solution that popped in my head is to make Discontinuity links a different color, like Discussion links are orange. fleb: Sounds good to me, too. I think I'm on the same wavelength-- Fast Eddie mentioned last time that there's be a performance bottleneck in the parser for 'doing it right,' and that sounds like a good way to get around it by staying namespace-agnostic. I definitely won't miss putting Main/ in front of everything on Series/ pages, either. Big T: Ah. Y'all were talking over my head. Seems to happen a lot lately. Still, I think the different colors might be a good idea anyways. Something to indicate intext that you aren't going to a page on the Main subspace. Something to indicate that the page may or may not exist, instead of looking like the wiki has an error. As I said, like the way Discussion pages are set up. Citizen: If you link an image to a non-existing wikiword, the image won't show. For example, [[DoujinWork http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/cit_Dojinwork_c08_Now_you_know_the_power_of_sora.jpg]]. It still shows in history, of course, since red-links aren't turned on there. ...I've said this before... Citizen: Zettai Ryouiki appears as both the left and right links in its Fan Speak index bar. Curious. Also, I tried giving Hidamari Sketch an index bar for Yonkoma, but the resulting index bar is blank even though HS is listed under Yonkoma... Citizen: Okay, we have the Orphan tool to find pages that don't have any index markups, but what about a tool (or a modification of the Orphan tool) to find pages that have index markups but aren't listed on those index pages? Or maybe this isn't important, I'm not sure. Big T: How's that thing going about getting apostrophe-based formatting working in potholes? I pulled a quote from you in the history: Fast Eddie: The first bit, about applying text styles to a pothole ... Looks doable.
I could include the entire conversation, but I only wanted to bring this part up. Any updates?
Looney Toons: Goofy, crazy idea: If a show, book or whatever has a page for itself here, and it has WMG and/or It Just Bugs Me pages, is there any practical way of automatically putting the icons for the latter (tinfoil hat man and green bug face) on the series' "home" page, and making them links to the corresponding pages? Fast Eddie: Yes, actually, there is a way to do that. While we're at it, an icon for "has discussion" would be useful. This seems like a very good idea, for many reasons. Looney Toons: Well, cool. I wasn't expecting that there'd already be some kind of mechanism already in place, which is what it sounds like. Looking forward to the implementation... Thanks! Big T: We'd also need a basic trope icon, which could appear on those other pages and give a link back to the original article. If one click can get you to the subpage, one-click should get you back out. And, before Cassius points out he " "-ing hates this idea, let me point out that figuring out the name scheme of this wiki is not that easy for someone who has just started. I don't see why easy navigation links should would make anyone feel like a moron. Clicking a link is much quicker than manually changing the domain. arromdee: Personally I don't like using only icons for this. The function of the icon isn't obvious unless you think about it and won't be obvious at all to a new user; they're also small and hard to click. Maybe icons+words? Fixed, implemented, or Misfiled:
Citizen: Why is "--->" shrinking the AC markups in Where Are You From? I thought shrinking was turned off for those things. And the indenting isn't working, at least not all the time, as (currently) indicated in Black Blood Discussion. Preferably, I'd like for it to work like I think I remember it working in the past, with each successive "-" increasing the indent, and no shrinking for any of them. Citizen: Well, found a workaround for the indent problem and another markup that doesn't shrink, so whatever. Updating Text Formatting Rules with my discoveries. Citizen: ...What just happened to the index bars? Suddenly, only the links remain; though they're well behaved for this page other than that, for pages like Hot Blooded things look a little more off... If you turned off something for performance's sake, can't you put at least the appearance of the former bars back in, and set them to update every time a page is edited? Or, I don't know how it's working right now. Bars! Meta4: The links-only index trails line up nice if you put the horizontal lines in between them. If not (and I know several people have been removing those lines ever since the new blue bars went into effect), then they line up really funky. I agree with Citizen that a return of the bars would be nice. That said, thanks for making the index trails skip the external links again. Citizen: The subpages for The Grand List Of Console Role Playing Game Cliches, like Console RPG Clichés 1 To 24, are redshifted yet behave like proper bluelinks... Fast Eddie: That was likely a problem with system performance. It had fixed itself by the time I looked at. Citizen: Um... The links are still red... Fast Eddie: Woops. Misunderstood. Also, the problem wasn't visible from the history display. Anyway. The é thing raised its ugly head. Fixed now. Citizen: But the links are red, you just changed it back to the special-character version. I changed all of the subpages from Console RPG Cliches 1 To 24 to Console RPG Cliches 1 To 24 (without the é) because the typical problems were still happening--the occasional redirect to the homepage, plus the general ugliness of the resulting URL... I'd rather just have the latter titles (Console RPG Cliches 1 To 24). I was just wondering why those are still showing up red, no doubt due to whatever mechanism is allowing both titles to refer to the same page... Yeah, the problem wasn't visible from the history because red linking in general doesn't show up in history. Fast Eddie: Well, the names have to agree between the page and the database, or they're going to be red. I 'll change the names in the database to non-é versions, if I can.//later: Okay, that part is done ... Citizen: Continuing with the index markup: Index bars don't show up on a page if that page isn't also listed in the associated index pages, so it isn't readily apparent what pages need to be added where, and there's no convenient link to click. The "no left or right" option like with the old style would be nice... Citizen: Could we have red links in the index bar? Right now everything's blue-shifted whether the page actually exists or not... Fast Eddie: I believe you'll find that items that are red on the index page are skipped, so that the trail doesn't come to halt on a nonexistent page in the middle of a list. Citizen: Hmm? I checked Videogames Of Note before moving this back up. I even edited that page and the pages before/after a redshift. It isn't skipping... Fast Eddie; Yeah, there was a bug. Thanks for spotting it. Should be cleared up now. Khym Chanur: The "related to" search should bracket the searched title with "{}" like it used to. As of now the "related to" of (for example) Twilight returns some 400 wicks, all of the pages which contain the word "Twilight", rather than just the pages that link to the Twilight page. Fast Eddie: That's in. J Bridge: Opera compatability, please!
Fast Eddie: Was there some specific issue?
J Bridge: A few things, but nothing too major. Here ◊'s a screenie, cropped.
By the way, I just forgot to crop the top- it's not a problem in the browser.
Fast Eddie: The image doesn't tell me much. What about it is bothering you?
Morgan Wick: Probably the weird search box?
Tangent128: I use Opera, and I don't see anything wrong. The watchlist buttons are bordered a little oddy, but that's about it.
Khym Chanur: The "related to" link should go directly to the body search, since the title search is pretty much useless for that purpose. Fast Eddie: It does, now. Khym Chanur: The new body search is broken. Searching for just "Ranma" gives something like 6 wicks, and searching for Ranma One Half gives 0 wicks. Tanto: The body search button converts all capital letters to lowercase, but the search is still case-sensitive. That's the issue. Fast Eddie: That should be resolved, now. Meta4: External links are showing up in the index bars now. (See for examples, Cat Legend.) Was this intentional? I don't know if it comes up anywhere besides the various Notable Webcomics indexes.
Citizen: How about a way to specify the starting number for a numbered list (#)? Big T: The history I saved has something about that, too. arromdee: I hope I won't get anyone mad this time, but I wish for a way to specify numbered list starting the number at some point the user specifies instead of 1; this is needed for Evil Overlord List Cellblock A and Evil Overlord List Cellblock B. Last time a feature was added that sort of does it but the lists you get aren't formatted the same as normal numbered lists.
Fast Eddie: We're as close as we're going to get on that.
That seems to imply that some solution already exists, somewhere.
fleb: I inferred the opposite, that it meant that "with the Pm Wiki parser we're working with, that feature just isn't feasible," and that the current state is as close as we'll ever get to being able to do that.
Big T: Yes, but arromdee mentions that such a feature was added sometime in the past, which implies it still exists. So what is that method? Has it been removed?
Fast Eddie: Giving a start number for a numbered list is something the parser won't do without major transformations.
Prfnoff: There appears to be no way to search within discussions now. I consider this a misfeature. Fast Eddie: A button has been added to the search results to include discussions. Khym Chanur: The inbound link list has been changed so that you can toggle between hiding and showing links from search engines. How about toggling between only-searches and only-non-searches instead?
Fast Eddie: That's in.
Citizen: The quoteright box messes with the index bar, pushes right link into left. See: The Game, which you just lost. And speaking of the quoteright boxes... the contents are pretty badly aligned to the box... Big T: I thought I posted that last part before. On my system, the boxes look like this  ◊. That is definitely misaligned. Adding 25px to the width makes the image center, but I'm not sure if we want that much white space. I don't see the other problem you mentioned on my side. I wonder if FE does, either. I'm using Firefox at 1024x768, with standard fonts.
Janitor: That has been adjusted.
Medinoc: Since the recent changes on the wiki, I can no longer find a link to YKTTW itself on the YKTTW Launch List page... Cassius335: There's one on the Home Page, though. Janitor: A link has been added. Po8: I still would really like to help with backups of the wiki. I have plenty of bandwidth and storage available. Unfortunately, I have no idea how to contact anyone on the technical team about this. If you are one of these people, or know an email address for one, please drop me a note at tvtropes@po8.org . Thanks. Kool Kid Joe: Both IE and Firefox support direct searching from the upper-right hand corner of the window, enabling you to search Google, YouTube, or even The Other Wiki without being on a related site. Can we get support for TVTropes? fleb: I think somebody already...[checks Contributor Announcements] Yeah, Big T posted a search plugin like you're looking for on his page; just click his name. Big T: Yip, I made one originally for Firefox, but I've updated it to include IE 7 support as well. Anyways, hope it works for you. Post any problems or suggestions to my discussion page. Big T: I've never been able to find the blue box that this quote from all It Just Bugs Me pages. It'd be nice if this were added. This is an "It Just Bugs Me" entry. The regular entry on this topic is available through the link in the blue box.
Cassius335: , no. It was bad enough when WMG started doing it; Way too Tropers Are Morons. Just make the box bigger or otherwise more noticable.
Janitor: Wow. Pretty negative, there, cassius. I think Big T was thinking to make it clear that It Justbugs Me is a different kind of wiki page. Which is a good call. The message is wrong, though. There aren't any "blue boxes" in It Just Bugs Me. I'll adjust the message.
Cassius335: Yeeaah. You might want to put the message somehere that isn't the page title.
fleb: Can we add a small [permalink] link to the still-unlaunched YKTTW's discussion pages on YKTTW? I was drafting up a script to do it, but maybe it's a good idea for the site in general. It'd help search engines index the original-posts on a permanent basis, too. Janitor: Two part answer: There is a permalink for discussions which have been launched. It shows up on the new article's discussion page and is crawled/indexed by the search spiders. Part two: Having a permalink to an ongoing discussion is problematic because they aren't permanent. They get moved at launch, and closed. One solution might be to no longer close the discussion when it is launched, effectively making the discussion pages for articles essentially a continuation of the YKKTW process. Pretty big change, culturally. fleb: Yeah, I wouldn't advocate using the YKTTW as a persistent talk page, either. I just thought it'd provide a simple way to link to an ongoing YKTTW from the forums, or from Made Of Win. And I did get the script working; discussion ID's do seem to be permanent, from the YKTTW's creation to post-launch.
Tangent-but-not-the-troper-known-as-Tangent-it's-still-fleb: As far as I can tell, it's already possible to reply to a YKTTW that's been launched; it just forces you to appear as Unknown Troper, like in this one's last reply. I'm guessing that's a bug.
Janitor: Yes, that was a bug. Closed up that little window. As for the ID's being permanent, they are. Big T: Is there any way to shut off the little image taglet that appears on the side of a link to an image? Because I would like to have the image on God Wins Law link to its larger version, kinda like a thumbnail. That way people can actually read the card. Janitor: You could do that by uploading a thumbnail-sized image for the article, and the larger size for the jump. The taglet would cue the reader in that there is an image to be seen, by clicking. Big T: Cool, that's what I already did. I just wasn't sure if it looked right. Should the thumbnail be smaller? Citizen: Having just used the Edits Tool to look up all the changes done by a certain wiki vandal's IP, I thought it might be nice to allow the tool to use wildcard searches, to take into account dynamic IP addresses. My normal university address, for instance, has the first two blocks constant and changes the rest many times per day. Perhaps having the tool show all edits for 255.255.255.*, for instance, or Cit*...
Janitor: Cool idea! That's installed.
fleb: Can the title-search bypass the four-characters-minimum? Janitor: Title searches now allow three-character searches. Citizen: How about having YKTTW's launched to existing pages show up in the page's discussion anyway, like they do for new pages? Janitor: That's installed. asdfff: Is there a function to display an "All pages" 'special page'? For example: http://kol.coldfront.net/thekolwiki/index.php/Special:Allpages
This would be helpful for someone who's itching to contribute, but doesn't have a concrete idea of where to jump in.
Fast Eddie:On the "new edits" page, use the Master List that is on the Tools menu to get a list of all the articles. It is probably less handy, though, than looking through an index you think may interest you. There is a list of indexes on the left side of every page.
Looney Toons: Would it be possible to install some kind of toggle on the Inbound Links page that would let us see results with and without hits from www.giantitp.com? Sometimes it's almost impossible to see if anyone else is looking at us.
JanitorL The new sort/layout of Inbound should address this.
Big T: The quoteleft boxes seem to have the same problem the quoteright boxes used to have before Janitor fixed them. On Firefox2, Lampshade Hanging looks awfully close to this ◊. (I don't want to upload a new image when this one does well enough.)
Janitor: That's fixed.
Citizen: If choosing the starting number of a numbered list isn't doable, then what about some sort of comment-block kinda thing, that would just hide the text? As in, to make a list start at 10, you'd just create 9 dummy items and hide them inside this thing. Or is this just a ridiculous and not very worthwhile idea? Janitor: That might work. Worth an experiment. // later that didn't work, but there is anew markup to accomplish it. (view source to see how it works)
Tanto: I just noticed that the link to Wick on the the "Related to..." pages actually goes to the nonexistant plural, "Wicks"... Janitor: That's fixed. Thanks. Citizen: How about going ahead and disabling the Wait buttons on the Cut List for unknown tropers? Even if it isn't an UT that's been playing trigger-happy with the button recently... Janitor: Cut requests put on "wait" that have no entry on the discussion page related to the cut request will be de-listed or cut, whichever makes sense. Cassius335: Also, would it be possible to add the ability to add the new "Cut List" to the watch-list, or are the two non-compatible? Janitor: A convenience link to the cutlist has been added to the personla watchlist. Ununnilium: That'd be awesome. Also, some way to watchlist YKTTW discussions! Citizen: Isn't that what the flagging system is for? Janitor: yes, flagging does the "watching" for YKTTW. Tanto: The new Cut List tool isn't working for me... I press the "Doom it" button and nothing happens. (For the record, the page in question is Samurai Is Plenty, for duping Badass Normal.) Janitor: Must be a browser thing. What browser do you use? //later: Nevermind. IE issue. I always forget about that one. Fixed now. Citizen: How about a simple report tool to send comments/complaints to the Powers That Be at TV Tropes.org? Myself, I'm just looking for a place to complain after 88.110.14.184 blanks out most of three different articles (with no other edits on record).
Janitor: There really isn't anything that goes faster to an admin than just posting here. That IP address has been blocked.
Citizen: My apologies, but it seems like something else--perhaps lag--is to blame for the edits. Maybe the connection times out after submitting an edit, so the wiki only gets back part of the full article. I myself seem to have accidentally deleted large chunks of the bottoms of two pages. And there have been a few other times that this deletion has occurred recently, as well.
Citizen: How about at least having the Synonyms tool results sorted alphabetically? Fast Eddie: That's done. Citizen: Why not add a permanent link to each YKTTW? I believe this has been discussed before, but not sure where or when. And I think someone already wrote a Greasemonkey script to do this, though I don't think it worked for me. I went ahead and wrote my own script for it, but it seems like something simple that would be good to have...
Zeke: Anyone know how to do what I'm trying to do with the South Park entry in Did A Korean Person Die? Last time I asked about something like this, Fast Eddie introduced the "softreturn" tag, but I don't think it'll help here. A simple example:
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Tanto: Having trouble with the Cut List, again. I want to nominate Rule Thirty Five (as it's been deleted before, on the grounds that we don't need it), and it says that there's already a cut request for that page. But as near as I can tell, there isn't. Fast Eddie: Huh. I didn't forsee the same title being remade after a cut, then renominated. Should have seen that coming. //later: You can nominate it, now, I think. Looney Toons: Something seems to be broken with the size markup for images. For instance, look at the page history and the source for Shinichi Watanabe. The "nabeshin42.jpg" image exists, but won't appear on the page until the "%height=188%" markup is removed. Citizen: Was it ever working? I didn't know we had such a thing... >_> Fast Eddie: Yeah, that's always been broken. It worked on few images by accident. Really dumb stuff like a number in the name of the image file would break it. Properly sized files are better, anyway. Tangent 128: Perhaps an automatic link from Contributor pages to the "recent edits by..." list? Fast Eddie: That will go in with the punctuated title install.// later: That's in. Click on the page contributor's page heading. Micah: This is pretty trivial, but could you change the text on the autolink from the discussion page back to the main page to something that looks a little less incomplete? I find "back to" kind of jarring. Gloating Swine: This looks like something else that broke when the ability to use punctuation in titles was implemented, because the pages with punctuation in the titles still have the main page title in the "back to" link, and every other discussion page on the wiki doesn't. Fast Eddie: That part of the disaster has been fixed. Looney Toons: The "save" button on the new edit form is missing. Fast Eddie: Thanks. Fixed now. Citizen: Hey, Eddie... Why have the examples in a bunch of the missing-apostrophe pages been replaced with raw HTML (or just slightly misformatted text), with nothing left in the history to revert to? History seems normal, and then suddenly under your name, it says it went from "Describe X here" to something new. Fast Eddie: That was my ham-fisted way of trying to repair damage done by a bug in the first cut of the punctuated titles code. Automated redirects from the old version -- really bad idea, or really badly implemented. Pick one. Sorry, if I missed some markup fixes in the repairs. Fast Eddie: Fast Eddie in the Sandbox said: How do you mean? The fact that people can do that crazy-caps stuff? Not sure there is anyway to cure dumbness with the parser, but if you have an idea for a solution, we'd be glad to entertain it. So, how exactly can we change the ptitle article titles? Fast Eddie: Good point! Here's a tool to deal with that: punctuated title editor
Big T: We really need to be careful with creating these new plinks. There are a lot of ones that just link to blank pages. This could be a problem, as they currently can't be CutListed. They still come up in search, for example. I know for sure that the second item here isn't supposed to be a trope. And several others can be found if you search for "Pirates who don". (yes, I moved this up here because I wasn't sure if anyone saw it.)
Fast Eddie: The "empty" ptitles have been cleared from search results. That should take care of it, I think.
Big T: Well, I guess that works. I'm not exactly sure why you couldn't use a delete query, but it doesn't matter to me. At least, I'm assuming all the ptitles are in a table with their real title.
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