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Headscratchers: Alien vs. Predator
  • At the end of Requiem, the Predator slowly and impressively takes off it's mask while confronting the Predalien. For some reason, the bigger, stronger Predalien is kind enough to wait for him to get ready before attacking.
    • Perhaps the Predalien retained a little of the Predators' fanatical devotion to honor?
    • It's possible the Predalien was just being cautious, the Predaor had survived quite a bit of damage by this point and it'd never seen a mask removal before.
    • It was suggested that the Predalien retained some predator psychological traits. If you look closely when Wolf(the predator) is examining the crashed ship, you can see the skinned bodies of the crew hanging in the background.
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  • In the first movie, how did the main character shove her hand down into an alien's newly decapitated head and not lose it?
    • If you mean where she's using the skull as a "shield" of sorts, then the obvious answer is that it was cleaned. The train of logic follows thus: We know the blood is acidic, but not the exoskeleton. As such, if one component of the Alien is not acidic (or otherwise obviously fatal to non-Aliens), it stands that others are not, either, such as the interior lining of the exoskeleton. It's like you take a football helmet full of battery acid. The acid is bad, but you can take the time to clean it and make the helmet usable. It stands to reason that a species who has dealt with these Aliens for eons would know how to make the skull usable and/or have technology that would do it. ...and yes, I spent way more time thinking about this than I probably should have.
    • Also, think back to the first movie. Remember when they find the dead facehugger? At that point it's mentioned that its acidic blood neutralizes after its death. So it's natural to assume the later stages of the species do similarly after they die.

  • In the 2010 game, after the marine character is knocked unconscious during the drop, why did the other marines bring him with them into what they knew was likely a xenomorph infested building? He couldn't very well fight in that condition and would probably slow the rest of them down.
    • And leave him outside, where a xenomorph could grab him, coccoon him, and give you one more alien to fight?
    • No, I was thinking of bringing him aboard the dropship where he would be (relatively) safe until he could fight again, or at least stand without assistance. They had just gotten off the dropship, so it was definitely near by, and certainly closer than it would be for some time.
  • Why, just why, are the films set in the present? The games gave us an epic three-way fight between Xenomorphs (Aliens), Yautja (Predators) and the USCMC (Space Marines). At least for This Troper, anything else just isn't AvP.
    • It's easier on the budget.
    • Maybe they were just desperate to show how it all began, that's why they put Lance Henriksen in.
    • They may have felt it would make for an easier jumping-on point for more people.
  • Why, oh why, couldn't they just adapt one of the comics? They had everything the fans wanted. Instead we got a noncannon mess full of plots and a egriegous lack spess marhens.
    • Not disagreeing with the main point, but sorry, it's not noncannon. If anything it has a better cannon connection with the Alien/Predator films than the comics.
      • Ah, sorry, but no. It's non-canon. Nothing in the original four Alien movies indicates that the Predators exist in the same universe, making Aliens, Predator, and Aliens vs. Predator three similar but ultimately separate continuities.
      • And there's nothing in Alien to suggest that Alien Queens exist, so I suppose Aliens is non-cannon as well. Unless the film specifically says that it is a separate continuity, it can be presumed that it isn't.
      • Nothing in those movies says they don't, either. I think it's more up to the directors and writers to decide what is and isn't canon than you guys.
      • In Predator 2 the shot of the predator's trophy case shows an alien skull.
    • Ignoring the silly canon argument, a possible reason is that this way they didn't have to pay anyone for the rights to film the comic. Another reason is that, as said above, setting it in the modern times is both a way to build up the history of the franchises, and more appealing to a wider audience (some of whom might have a threshold for where an action movie turns into a "nerdy sci-fi movie"). Also most of the comic plots require you to be fairly familiar with the setting... they're targeted at fans, whereas a movie has to be at least somewhat accessible to people for whom this would be their first Aliens or Predator movie.
  • Towards the end of the first film, the archaeologist comes to the conclusion that the heat bloom was supposed to lure humans into the pyramid so that they could be used to breed Aliens. That's rather a stretch, considering that the pyramid had been abandoned for thousands of years, long before humans would have had the technology to detect such a thing. Which also begs raises the question of why the Predator's included such a feature in the first place.
    • Yes, but the pyramid originates from a time when that area was lush, fertile and—most importantly—populated. It wasn't buried under a mile of ice when it was designed. If the heat bloom had any sort of visual component (probable; it was probably a big signal flare) then surrounding humans at the time would've seen it.
      • The idea that the heat bloom was for the sake of alerting the locals doesn't seem to hold up for two reasons; 1) if the local populace worship the Predators, why do they neeed some giant flashy light show to tell them when to go in, rather than just incorporate it into the calender, and 2) if the "flare" creates enough heat to be detectable by satellite, then it is dreadfully inefficient.
      • Given that the Predators were willing to blow the place up if the Aliens got loose they were presumably ready for the possibility that it might be abandoned and might have set up the heat bloom in case humans ever got to that level of tech and they could use it to start again. If so, it kinda worked. Or the heat bloom was just the machines starting up and the archaeologist was talking out of his arse.
      • The key word here is "archaeologist". He has no idea how complex machines work or the thought that goes into building them. He has also studied primitive human cultures all his life. The Predators are a completely alien culture to him. An engineer may be able to tell more about why the Preds made the pyramid this way.
      • A bit of fridge brilliance here. The heat bloom wasn't primarily for the humans, it was also for the Predators. Predator and Predator 2 make it clear that Predators hunt in hot climates. Why would they ever hunt in Antarctica unless their hunting ground was heated?
  • In the first film, where did all of those Aliens come from? There were only about twenty people in the expedition, and several of them were killed before they could be implanted with Chestbursters, yet by the end of the movie there are dozens of Aliens.
    • There weren't actully that many. Maybe about a dozen at most. The 'grid' alien did most of the work in the movie and when they attacked in groups they only lost a couple before retreating to free the Queen. The last predator kills one to mark himself, Lex killed one, the Pred plasma cannoned two or three before they retreated and then Lex shot one in the head before they all blew up. So that's only about six killed with a couple others getting blown up.
  • Why is it so critical to stop the Aliens in the first movie? Even if they reach the surface, what are they going to do? Swim hundreds of miles in order to reach civilisation? If they wanted to create tension from a threat of the Aliens escaping into the world at large, they probably shouldn't have set it in the most remote place on Earth.
    • Yes. They would swim hundreds of miles to populated land, infesting whatever life-form they can find along the way. There are two things to remember here: Aliens don't just hatch from humans, and they are incredibly resilient to environmental conditions. Even the vacuum of space isn't quite enough to kill the one in the first Alien film. Which is something that just bugs me about this film. So they drop the Queen down into the freezing depths beneath the ice, and we're supposed to believe she just freezes to death? If she can survive for any length of time in a vacuum, surely she can survive the arctic waters long enough to free herself, resurface and wreak havoc on the world.
      • Just to point out, Alien Resurrection shows that the xenomorphs can swim proficiently, and the start of Av P shows that extreme cold is not lethal to the xenomorphs (just as Alien3 showed extreme heat wasn't lethal in itself). Additionally, there would still be some indiginous animal life in the area- can you imagine what a penguin or seal alien would look like?
      • Space isn't actually cold.
      • One word - pressure. Cold won't kill her, but water exerting one ton per square centimeter of her body will turn that alien queen into a big tub of toothpaste.
      • Expanded universe reveals that xenos can actually breathe underwater.
      • Also a flipping water tower would have crushed her even more.
      • We're making several assumptions here namely a combination of depth, speed of decent, and xenomorph strength and intelligence. It's entirely possible that the ocean is only a few hundred feet deep where they are. All we know for certain is that the Alien Queen, who is black, sank out of sight. Anybody who's been to a natural body of water (or a dirty pool) can tell you that it doesn't take much, She could be just ten feet blow the surface and completely out of sight. Second she could easily get free before she reached a crushing depth which even for puny humans is around pretty deep. Third, she could probably break the chain or remove it from herself once she calmed down if she knew to do it which leads me to my final point. Alien Queens are a little rare if we only count the movies as cannon but in the EU they are incredibly intelligent. The equivalent of a 200 IQ by some measures. If she hit bottom without dying (probable) she'd eventually get free and she'd likely not be crushed by the water tower. In all likelihood the queen survived that encounter assuming she didn't drown which is of course always a possibility. We don't know that they can't drown, we know they can survive in space for limited periods of time and they can swim but there is no evidence they don't require oxygen just that they are considerably tougher than humans.
      • Considering that this was supposed to be set in the same universe as the Alien and Predator movies (until Prometheus expunged it from canon, but that's besides the point), I think it's fairly safe to assume the Queen died right there, since the Earth in the future wasn't overrun by Xenomorphs.
      • It's still set in the same universe as the Alien and Predator movies. Prometheus simply made it official that there are separate timelines (one with the Av P movies, one with Prometheus) both i9ncorperating the later movies into their canon.
    • I thought it was stated early on that tons of people knew about the hole the laser drilled into the ice, only that Weyland's team beat them all there to get the good stuff. The risk is that other researchers will show up later and walk into the same ambush.
  • In the first movie the fact that Celtic reversed his wrist blades so as to be able to better cut the (future-)grid xenomorphs (tail? whatever) really bugs me. Before they decided to make the wrist blades four feet long in this movie (which is its own issue) it seemed more logical for the sharper cutting surface to be that facing away from the predators' hands since there was a lot more of it exposed. At the very least there was no reason to have the inner edge (the one facing towards the hand) sharper than the outer (the predator in Predator 2 seemed to be mostly stabbing and hacking with the inner edge, but the outer edge of his blades were all jagged and threatening-looking anyway. The video games seemed to the use as much of the outer edge as the inner edge at least). I understand that the whole point was to look cool but instead it looked ridiculous and resulted in a painful amount of Fridge Logic.
    • The concave edge is the fighting edge. Facing it "down" is a much more natural configuration for hand-to-hand combat. Try to imagine fighting someone using only backhand strikes. Probably seems pretty awkward, doesn't it? I do agree though that there is no real reason for only one edge to be sharp.
  • That scene in Requiem when the Predalien 'impregnates' the entire maternity ward of pregnant woman just bugs me. It messes up the entire established Xenomorph lifecycle. And how does the impregnating work anyway? Does the subject needs to be pregnant in order for the baby aliens to develop or something?
    • Word of God is that the predalien was a young queen, and queens have the ability to deliver eggs directly into a host like a facehugger. My guess is that it picked a pregnant host because it offered the hatchling more...ugh, food. Yeah, that scene was horrible.
    • Nope. The Predaliens gender is unclear http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo2y7JRPWx4 . In the Vid, it's called a male MULTIPLE times and a female as well. Also, the official commentary calls it a guy and the Book "Inside the monster shop" calls it the "Top dog" and describes it as "Regal" a term used mainly to describe a King who is usually a guy. I personally think it's a male, which is why it only targets girls. And not only Pregnant ones. In the sewers, it got the homeless woman who WASN'T pregnant.
      • The Av P-R: Preparing for War: Development and Production featurette from the Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem Region 1 Extreme Unrated Set DVD says it's a young Queen.
    • As the above Troper stated, it's just to give the baby aliens a little snack (because apparently being inside a body isn't enough food already). It should be noted that ALL the women the predalien implants are pregnant. This Troper also likes to believe that the Predalien was a defect, incorperatng too much predator DNA which expains it's non-sensical behaviours and impregnation abilities.
  • In Requiem after the ship crashes due to the Predalien attack why didn't one of the facehuggers attach to the injured and helpless predator? Why did the Predalien kill it instead of cacooning it for implantation.
    • Maybe the filmmakers didn't want two hybrids in the same movie, which is likely why the facehuggers never went for the dog seen with the homeless people in the sewers.
      • That just seems like a giant missed opportunity. They could have done an amazing fake out by having the heroes (either human or predator) kill off the predalien in a big showdown, only to find out that was the small one while they're celebrating.
  • This is an issue I have with Alien 3 and these new Alien vs. Predator movies in general. Earlier, in Alien 3, we see that when a dog is attacked by a face hugger, the result is a canine-Xenomorph hybrid. And we all know that the "Predalien" is the result of a Predator being attacked by a face hugger. So my question is, why is it that the Xenomorphs seem to lack any special mutations by impregnating humans? If I'm free to assume that canine and Predator hybrids are superior in some way, then why impregnate humans at all? Cannon fodder? Genetic fluke? If so, then Xenomorph mutations could be exceptionally rare, and it's just a contrived conicidence that we've seen canine Xenomorphs and a Predalien at all.
    • There was an explanation in one of the games. It stated that the only significant difference the host made was whether the Alien would be bipedal ("drone") or quadrupedal ("runner") unless it had significantly different genetics (like a Predator). Given that game was set on an alien world and stated that indigenous fauna had been used as hosts, it raises a few questions about convergent evolution. For why they choose humans: humans are there, Predators (and dogs) generally are not.
    • You're a little mixed up here. The standard aliens are human-xenomorph hybrids. That's why they're so humanoid-looking.
      • Yep. Presumably the xenomorph that'd burst out of the dead Space Jockey found in Alien would've looked different than any of the human-xeno, dog-xeno, or pred-xeno variants we've seen in the films.
      • One of the comics does show us a Jockey Alien. And it is massive.
      • If you want another example, in terms of the films at least, Prometheus shows us the result of the Jockey being impregnated by a different experiment-type of the alien. Nightmare fuel indeed....
    • It is a bit fluctuating depending on where this is being talked about; the only clear issue is that Predators Are Special in this issue, and there is still debate whether there is a difference between a Drone and an Warrior Alien. Also, Runner Aliens seem to be much less intelligent that Aliens spawned from sapient species; in the third movie, it killed EVERYBODY; while another kind of Alien would just cocoon inmates while waiting for the queen to be born.
      • The alien in the third movie was killing people at a reasonable rate unil they started messing with it, then it got hostile. Plus, the inmates had already attacked the host for the implanted Queen, after that they were probably all on it's kill list. I've also heard they cut a scene from the script that had Ripley finding a bunch of cacooned inmates at some point.
    • Xenomorphs don't get special mutations from humans because, well, what are you going to compare human!morphs to? There is no such thing as a "standard" xenomorph because they have all picked up traits from their hosts.
      • Lies. There are Transbreed and Purebreed aliens. Purebreed aliens(Like Queen's and Praetorians have NONE of their hosts traits at all) are 100% alien.
      • So says a couple of the games, which are not cannon with the movies or even the comics. I only know such terms from the RTS game, and that had to introduce such things for the sake of variety and balance.
    • According to "Inside the Monster Shop" The Pred Alien's likeness to the Predator as opposed to a warrios likeness to a human was because it had 'More Potent Genes' and thus gave the designers something more to work with. It sorta makes sense, I mean they are BIGGER and STRONGER than the UN-average human, and usually that points to more superior genes(as well as physical attractiveness.). I personally think since Preds have been hunting Xenos for years, and Xenos have incredibile adaptability able to change to match their environment and it's hosts. I wouldn't be stupid to think a few unblooded warriors(like Scar, Celtic and Chopper) failed the Xenomorph test and were impregnated rather than killed so it wouldn't be stupid to think this has happened before.
      • This and the whole "Potent Genes" thing could be why Predaliens are more Predator but Warriors aren't as human.
      • Aren't as human? They destroy and kill without thinking and are constantly pegged as a threat to overrun any planet on which they are left to their own devices. Did someone leave their subtext manual at home?
      • Go to your homepage, Agent Smith, you're drunk.
  • So in the *think for a moment* second FPS on the PC, both the Marine and Predator are present at the both Predator's release from suspended animation and escape from the Forward Observation Pods. The problem is that the Marine used a catwalk to go to another pod, while the Predator did not, leaving them both in separate buildings. Ruling out either the Marine or Predator having an evil twin, how do we go about reconciling this?
  • In the first film, the Predators appear to be idiots. Apparently standard issue gear for hunting xenomorphs includes constricting nets that draw acid blood and then immediately dissolve in said acid blood. The mothership at the end gives the fallen Predator a big funeral procession...but then doesn't screen him for infestation. Supposedly they've been hunting xenomorphs for centuries — how have they survived this long if they're still making administrative mistakes that big?
    • Remember, the Predators were supposed to have the shoulder cannons during the test which would have made the hunt a LOT easier than it turned out to be. A net is supposed to incapaciate an enemy and that's exactly what it does to the Aliens as well, the Predator it was fighting just didn't react fast enough, a flaw he demonstrates several times during their fight, to take advantage of it. As for the ones at the end they probably figured if a Predator was infected it would self destruct or be cacooned and not finish the test, it's really only blind luck the Predator didn't get grabbed before he woke up.
    • It could be an intentional handicap. Predators hunt to attain honor, and what could possibly be more honorable than hunting the deadliest species in the universe with deliberately gimped weapons?
    • It's explained the Predators hunting in the first movie are on an "initiation hunt". They're teenagers. Doesn't explain the elder Predators on the ship however...
  • Why does the Predator in Requiem behave with the mentality of a slasher villain? Case in point: about halfway through the movie there's a bit where a man is threatening a woman with a gun. It's nighttime, they are outdoors, no artificial lighting nearby. The Predator is at least two hundred meters away, the two humans have not noticed it and possibly could not even see it in the darkness if they looked right at it. The Predator glances at them and then shoots the man's head clean off with its shoulder cannon. Why the hell did it do that?
    • Out of Universe? Because whoever wrote the script had no idea how Predators are supposed to behave. In Universe?.....No idea.
    • A misunderstanding of the Predator's honour code. The directors were idiots about this kind of thing.
    • Perhaps it was an attempt to add more detail into the honour code?: Predators don't like people turning against their own kind.
      • Or to elaborate further, it's actually far more in keeping with the canon code than a lot of other examples- an armed individual threatening an unarmed individual with a gun? That's pretty much the opposite of the predator code right there- see Predator 1 and the predator disarming against Arnie.
    • It's explained in many expanded universe materials that Predators dislike armed "prey" targeting unarmed prey. They also have a code of not killing unarmed/sickly prey. Examples include: the little boy with the fake gun (Predator 2), Charles Weyland, until he pulled out Aerosol Flamethrower, (Aliens VS Predator). Hell in one game (Predator: Concrete Jungle) killing unarmed prey caused you to fail the current mission . Ergo, Predators don't seem to like unarmed prey being threatened because it is "unsportsmanlike".
  • In the first AVP game on the PC, what is the point of the Xenoborgs? Yes, they have bitchin' weapons, but they are also slow, cumbersome and unable to cling to walls and ceilings. In other words, outside of "deadly" they are everything an alien is NOT. So what's the point in making them? A heavily armed robot could do the same role, and nobody would have to be nommed by aliens to have it made.
    • It's Weyland-Yutani, they have a history of For Science!.
    • The manual specifically notes these things; the Xenoborgs were a bright idea someone had that produced a killer robot but ultimately robbed the alien of its essence and was thus considered a failure, in-universe.
  • In the 2010 game, why did the Predator player, who went to the planet specifically because other Predators had been killed by Aliens, go there without any weapons for fighting Aliens or even a mask that could detect them? Sure, you pick stuff up along the way but he didn't know he'd be able to do that.
    • Honor Before Reason. Going down there with nothing but his claws makes for a more glorious tale.
  • In the first film, Scar is impregnated by a facehugger, which later leads to the predalien chestburster in the mother ship. Up there, all right. However, immediately after the off-screen Face Full of Alien Wing-Wong, he seems to completely shrug the fact, as his only posterior reaction is putting on his mask and continuing the hunt. Did he really ignore the fact he had got a Xenomorph inside of him? Or was he deliberately ignoring it in a strange "If-if I close my eyes, it will be gone, r-right?" attitude?
    • It's entirely possible the Predators, given their extremely advanced technology, have a way of safely removing an implanted xenomorph. If so, he must have gambled that he and his comrades could finish the hunt before his time was up.
    • Victims of facehuggers often suffer from short term memory loss, likely due to the reduced oxygen and trauma as the facehugger knocks them out. Scar took off his mask to mark himself, blacked out for however long and then woke up confused and continued. Maybe he should have assumed he'd been impregnated but we'll never know.
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