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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: It's a realistic story about transsexuality and puberty, that includes other parts of the [=LGBT=]. So many people are used to the slapstick "He's a trap!" type series that ''WanderingSon'' comes off as this, especially to people clueless and ignorant about transgender issues.
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: It's a realistic story about transsexuality and puberty, that includes other parts of the [=LGBT=]. So many people are used to the slapstick "He's a trap!" OtokonokoGenre type series that ''WanderingSon'' comes off as this, especially to people clueless and ignorant about transgender issues.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Chizuru is quite popular, at least in the anime, despite her lack of focus.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: EnsembleDarkhorse:
** Chizuru is quite popular, at least in the anime, despite her lack of focus.
** Chizuru is quite popular, at least in the anime, despite her lack of focus.
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* FanPreferredCouple: Takatsuki/Nitori is the most popular pairing in the manga, though Takatsuki/Chiba is quite popular too; Doi/Nitori is gaining popularity.
* FanonDiscontinuity: A fair share of the manga fans refuse to believe the anime existed.
* FanonDiscontinuity: A fair share of the manga fans refuse to believe the anime existed.
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* FanPreferredCouple: Takatsuki/Nitori is the most popular pairing in the manga, though Takatsuki/Chiba is quite popular too; too. Doi/Nitori is gaining popularity.
gained popular after the anime, though [[MisaimedFandom particularly with yaoi fans]].
*FanonDiscontinuity: FanonDiscontinuity:
** A fair share of the manga fans refuse to believe the anime existed.
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** A fair share of the manga fans refuse to believe the anime existed.
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* FauxSymbolism: Almost all colored artworks show the boy uniforms as being pastel colors when they're traditionally black. The anime, and the shading used in the manga, imply that they are black. It could be symbolically referring to their personalities but it seems like it's just for artistic value (the artworks often are watercolored too, so it's a theme). Though considering how Shimura is with shading, they really ''could'# be pastel.
* FoeYay: Takatsuki and Chiba in middle school, Doi and Shuuichi.
* FoeYay: Takatsuki and Chiba in middle school, Doi and Shuuichi.
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* FauxSymbolism: Almost all colored artworks show the boy uniforms as being pastel colors when they're traditionally black. The anime, and the shading used in the manga, imply that they are black. It could be symbolically referring to their personalities but it seems like it's just for artistic value (the artworks often are watercolored too, so it's a theme). Though considering how Shimura is with shading, they really ''could'# ''could' be pastel.
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** Takatsuki and Chiba in middleschool, school had a lot of romantic tension to the point where a large portion of the fandom was confused when nothing came of it.
** Doiand Shuuichi.canonically had a crush on Nitori in middle school but bullied her nevertheless.
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** Takatsuki and Chiba in middle
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* ItWasHisSled: It's hard to discuss the manga without mentioning [[spoiler:Takatsuki not wanting to live as a boy by the end]].
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* ItWasHisSled: ItWasHisSled:
** It's hard to discuss the manga without mentioning [[spoiler:Takatsuki not wanting to live as a boy by the end]].
** It's hard to discuss the manga without mentioning [[spoiler:Takatsuki not wanting to live as a boy by the end]].
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Chiba. After several volumes of being TheScrappy due to her temper and attitude, she was rescued near the end of middle school when she began cooling her head and rekindling her friendships.
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap:
** Chiba. After several volumes of being TheScrappy due to her temper and attitude, she was rescued near the end of middle school when she began cooling her head and rekindling her friendships.
** Chiba. After several volumes of being TheScrappy due to her temper and attitude, she was rescued near the end of middle school when she began cooling her head and rekindling her friendships.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: In high school Saori begins dating [[spoiler:Fumiya]] with no pretense of liking him and the whole deal comes off as very "Why not?" Saori was never shown to be a terribly good girlfriend and they got no screentime romance which made fans think she didn't love him. Nope, they never break up or shown any signs of wanting to.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
** In high school Saori begins dating [[spoiler:Fumiya]] with no pretense of liking him and the whole deal comes off as very "Why not?" Saori was never shown to be a terribly good girlfriend and they got no screentime romance which made fans think she didn't love him. Nope, they never break up or shown any signs of wanting to.
** In high school Saori begins dating [[spoiler:Fumiya]] with no pretense of liking him and the whole deal comes off as very "Why not?" Saori was never shown to be a terribly good girlfriend and they got no screentime romance which made fans think she didn't love him. Nope, they never break up or shown any signs of wanting to.
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* [[{{Woobie/Anime}} The Woobie]] - Both Shuuichi and Yoshino. But Shuu more because he's hit harder by DoubleStandard.
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* [[{{Woobie/Anime}} The Woobie]] - Both Shuuichi and Yoshino. But Shuu more because he's she's hit harder by DoubleStandard.
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Not a YMMV trope.
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* DoubleStandard: How some feel about the only transman in the story [[spoiler:not being trans in the end]].
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* PronounTrouble: While not strictly a YMMV Trope, with this series the issue tends to be within the fandom than in-story.
** There's been discussion on the wiki about whether to refer to the transgender characters by their biological sex (Nitori is "he" & Takatsuki is "she") or by their correct mental genders (Nitori is "she" & Takatsuki is "he"). As noted in the main page, the general consensus, for the sake of simplicity, is to simply match what's used in-story (Shuuichi "he" / Yoshino "she").
** An argument against this consensus is that what is used in the manga technically shouldn't control how the audience refers to them because we have more knowledge about them than other characters within the series, and even though they are still closeted there is no good excuse not to respect their proper genders when we have the information to know better, "getting the surgery" is not a factor when deciding if you should call someone by the correct pronouns.
*** But as readers we ''do'' see what's going on inside the characters' heads, and they don't think of themselves as other than their assigned gender but rather as ''wanting'' to be other than their assigned gender. You can argue that this is a limitation based on their social upbringing (and it definitely is), but if the use of pronouns is to reflect the way the characters consider themselves, then respecting their still-nascent understandings of their gender identity should also be important. If they are still using their assigned gender pronouns ''in their own thoughts'', then switching the pronouns to fit the Western understanding of how gender works can become an ethnocentric imposition. Regardless -- it's a tricky question, and very emotional for people who've been in Nitori and Takatsuki's situation.
** Either way, there's little argument with Yuki. Yuki is more straightforward in that she lives as a woman, is implied to have had surgery, and everyone in-story refers to her as "she".
** [[spoiler:Takatsuki]] at the end of the manga. Fans don't know what pronoun to use anymore, especially to avoid spoilers.
** There's been discussion on the wiki about whether to refer to the transgender characters by their biological sex (Nitori is "he" & Takatsuki is "she") or by their correct mental genders (Nitori is "she" & Takatsuki is "he"). As noted in the main page, the general consensus, for the sake of simplicity, is to simply match what's used in-story (Shuuichi "he" / Yoshino "she").
** An argument against this consensus is that what is used in the manga technically shouldn't control how the audience refers to them because we have more knowledge about them than other characters within the series, and even though they are still closeted there is no good excuse not to respect their proper genders when we have the information to know better, "getting the surgery" is not a factor when deciding if you should call someone by the correct pronouns.
*** But as readers we ''do'' see what's going on inside the characters' heads, and they don't think of themselves as other than their assigned gender but rather as ''wanting'' to be other than their assigned gender. You can argue that this is a limitation based on their social upbringing (and it definitely is), but if the use of pronouns is to reflect the way the characters consider themselves, then respecting their still-nascent understandings of their gender identity should also be important. If they are still using their assigned gender pronouns ''in their own thoughts'', then switching the pronouns to fit the Western understanding of how gender works can become an ethnocentric imposition. Regardless -- it's a tricky question, and very emotional for people who've been in Nitori and Takatsuki's situation.
** Either way, there's little argument with Yuki. Yuki is more straightforward in that she lives as a woman, is implied to have had surgery, and everyone in-story refers to her as "she".
** [[spoiler:Takatsuki]] at the end of the manga. Fans don't know what pronoun to use anymore, especially to avoid spoilers.
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** Sasa is also popular in Japan due to her GenkiGirl nature and MoeMoe-ness.
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** Sasa is also popular in Japan due to her GenkiGirl nature and MoeMoe-ness.{{Moe}}-ness.
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: The ending theme to the anime, "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBlX9KKDIR0 For You]]" by RieFu.
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: The ending theme to the anime, "[[http://www."[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBlX9KKDIR0 com/watch?v=SjeYsEIho6Q For You]]" by RieFu.
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: The series is actually {{Seinen}}. It however has been referred to as being aimed at kids, and is occasionally mistaken for ''{{Shojo}}''.
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: The series is actually {{Seinen}}. It however has been referred to as being aimed at kids, and is occasionally mistaken for ''{{Shojo}}''.''{{Shoujo}}''.
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* InternetBackdraft: Going onto /a/ on a Tuesday (or Wednesday), going into a "Taka Tuesday" thread, and even mentioning hentai isn't exactly a good idea. You'll get near {{Yotsuba}} levels of backlash and {{Squick}}. On a more general note, it's not best to try and discuss the characters sexual orientations if you don't want a debate to arise.
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* InternetBackdraft: Going onto /a/ on a Tuesday (or Wednesday), going into a "Taka Tuesday" thread, and even mentioning hentai isn't exactly a good idea. You'll get near {{Yotsuba}} ''Manga/{{Yotsuba}}'' levels of backlash and {{Squick}}. On a more general note, it's not best to try and discuss the characters sexual orientations if you don't want a debate to arise.
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* FanPreferredCouple: Takatsuki/Chiba is the most popular pairing in the manga, though Takatsuki/Nitori is quite popular too; Doi/Nitori is gaining popularity.
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* FanPreferredCouple: Takatsuki/Chiba Takatsuki/Nitori is the most popular pairing in the manga, though Takatsuki/Nitori Takatsuki/Chiba is quite popular too; Doi/Nitori is gaining popularity.
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** Many fans are calling DeathOfTheAuthor [[spoiler:about Takatsuki not considering themselves a boy by the end of the manga.]] Also to a lesser extent [[spoiler:because [[FanPreferredCouple Takatsuki/Saori]] never occurred]].
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** Many fans are calling DeathOfTheAuthor [[spoiler:about Takatsuki not considering themselves a boy by the end of the manga.]] Also to a lesser extent [[spoiler:because [[FanPreferredCouple Takatsuki/Saori]] Takatsuki/Nitori]] never occurred]].
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* DoubleStandard: How some feel about the only transman in the story [[spoiler:not being trans in the end]].
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* ShippingBedDeath: Nothing really happen after [[spoiler:Fumiya and Saori]] finally get together.
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** Takatsuki's storyline could've delved into the topic of trans-people who personally don't want to transition or have doubts about their gender.
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** Takatsuki's storyline could've [[spoiler:could've delved into the topic of trans-people who personally don't want to transition or have doubts about their gender.]]
** Mako [[spoiler:begins going out as a girl on her own and comes out to her mom but nothing ever comes of it]]. Likewise, she thought Yuki was a boy in middle school but we never get to see her reaction to her being a trans woman.
** Anna is Nitori's girlfriend. Anna is a model. You think someone would leak she has a girlfriend and it would cause a stir but Anna hides their relationship quite well.
** Mako [[spoiler:begins going out as a girl on her own and comes out to her mom but nothing ever comes of it]]. Likewise, she thought Yuki was a boy in middle school but we never get to see her reaction to her being a trans woman.
** Anna is Nitori's girlfriend. Anna is a model. You think someone would leak she has a girlfriend and it would cause a stir but Anna hides their relationship quite well.
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* UnfortunateImplications: The anime's last episode can be seen as transphobic.
** Takatsuki in late high school [[spoiler:It's eventually decided she'd rather live as a girl, though whether that's true or not is a BaseBreaker. The manga treats being feminine with being a girl, instead of letting her stay masculine/androgynous and saying she's a girl despite her gender presentation.]] ''AoiHana'' had a similar issue with a butch character.
*** The fact that she was the ''only'' transman in the story left a bad taste in a few reader's mouths. This gets even more unfortunate if you know that a sadly common stereotype about transmen is that they're just insecure and immature girls who hate their femininity.
** Many people have been {{squick}}ed by Yuki and her near-pedo behavior towards Takatsuki, even if it's [[TheGadfly non serious teasing]]. It doesn't help that the transitioned transsexual character is seen as the pedophile.
** Takatsuki in late high school [[spoiler:It's eventually decided she'd rather live as a girl, though whether that's true or not is a BaseBreaker. The manga treats being feminine with being a girl, instead of letting her stay masculine/androgynous and saying she's a girl despite her gender presentation.]] ''AoiHana'' had a similar issue with a butch character.
*** The fact that she was the ''only'' transman in the story left a bad taste in a few reader's mouths. This gets even more unfortunate if you know that a sadly common stereotype about transmen is that they're just insecure and immature girls who hate their femininity.
** Many people have been {{squick}}ed by Yuki and her near-pedo behavior towards Takatsuki, even if it's [[TheGadfly non serious teasing]]. It doesn't help that the transitioned transsexual character is seen as the pedophile.
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The term \'cissexist\' shouldn\'t be used here. It\'ll cause too many arguments between certain groups and it\'s better to keep those off of here.
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** An argument against this consensus is that what is used in the manga technically shouldn't control how the audience refers to them because we have more knowledge about them than other characters within the series, and even though they are still closeted there is no good excuse not to respect their proper genders when we have the information to know better, "getting the surgery" is not a factor when deciding if you should call someone by the correct pronouns, and is a cissexist sentiment.
*** But as readers we ''do'' see what's going on inside the characters' heads, and they don't think of themselves as other than their assigned gender but rather as ''wanting'' to be other than their assigned gender. You can argue that this is a limitation based on their social upbringing in a cissexist society (and it definitely is), but if the use of pronouns is to reflect the way the characters consider themselves, then respecting their still-nascent understandings of their gender identity should also be important. If they are still using their assigned gender pronouns ''in their own thoughts'', then switching the pronouns to fit the Western understanding of how gender works can become an ethnocentric imposition. Regardless -- it's a tricky question, and very emotional for people who've been in Nitori and Takatsuki's situation.
*** But as readers we ''do'' see what's going on inside the characters' heads, and they don't think of themselves as other than their assigned gender but rather as ''wanting'' to be other than their assigned gender. You can argue that this is a limitation based on their social upbringing in a cissexist society (and it definitely is), but if the use of pronouns is to reflect the way the characters consider themselves, then respecting their still-nascent understandings of their gender identity should also be important. If they are still using their assigned gender pronouns ''in their own thoughts'', then switching the pronouns to fit the Western understanding of how gender works can become an ethnocentric imposition. Regardless -- it's a tricky question, and very emotional for people who've been in Nitori and Takatsuki's situation.
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** An argument against this consensus is that what is used in the manga technically shouldn't control how the audience refers to them because we have more knowledge about them than other characters within the series, and even though they are still closeted there is no good excuse not to respect their proper genders when we have the information to know better, "getting the surgery" is not a factor when deciding if you should call someone by the correct pronouns, and is a cissexist sentiment.
pronouns.
*** But as readers we ''do'' see what's going on inside the characters' heads, and they don't think of themselves as other than their assigned gender but rather as ''wanting'' to be other than their assigned gender. You can argue that this is a limitation based on their social upbringingin a cissexist society (and it definitely is), but if the use of pronouns is to reflect the way the characters consider themselves, then respecting their still-nascent understandings of their gender identity should also be important. If they are still using their assigned gender pronouns ''in their own thoughts'', then switching the pronouns to fit the Western understanding of how gender works can become an ethnocentric imposition. Regardless -- it's a tricky question, and very emotional for people who've been in Nitori and Takatsuki's situation.
*** But as readers we ''do'' see what's going on inside the characters' heads, and they don't think of themselves as other than their assigned gender but rather as ''wanting'' to be other than their assigned gender. You can argue that this is a limitation based on their social upbringing
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* FauxSymbolism: Almost all colored artworks show the boy uniforms as being pastel colors, when they're traditionally black. The anime, and the shading used in the manga, imply that they are black. It could be symbolically referring to their personalities but it seems like it's just for artistic value (the artworks often are watercolored too, so it's a theme). Though considering how Shimura is with shading, they really could be pastel.
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* FauxSymbolism: Almost all colored artworks show the boy uniforms as being pastel colors, colors when they're traditionally black. The anime, and the shading used in the manga, imply that they are black. It could be symbolically referring to their personalities but it seems like it's just for artistic value (the artworks often are watercolored too, so it's a theme). Though considering how Shimura is with shading, they really could ''could'# be pastel.
** Nitori and Anna being the OfficialCouple counts.
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* MainstreamObscurity: It's known as one of the best depictions of transsexuality in fiction, especially manga, but few people have read past elementary or more than a dozen chapters.
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* MainstreamObscurity: It's known as one of the best depictions of transsexuality in fiction, especially manga, but few people have read past elementary or even more than a dozen chapters.
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** Takatsuki's storyline could've delved into the topic of trans-people who personally don't want to transition.
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** Takatsuki's storyline could've delved into the topic of trans-people who personally don't want to transition.transition or have doubts about their gender.
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*** The fact that she was the ''only'' transman in the story left a bad taste in a few reader's mouths.
*** This gets even more unfortunate if you know that a sadly common stereotype about transmen is that they're just insecure and immature girls who hate their femininity.
** Many people have been {{squick}}ed by Yuki and her near-pedo behavior towards Takatsuki, even if it's [[TheGadfly non serious teasing]]. It doesn't help that then transsexual character is seen as the pedophile.
*** This gets even more unfortunate if you know that a sadly common stereotype about transmen is that they're just insecure and immature girls who hate their femininity.
** Many people have been {{squick}}ed by Yuki and her near-pedo behavior towards Takatsuki, even if it's [[TheGadfly non serious teasing]]. It doesn't help that then transsexual character is seen as the pedophile.
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*** The fact that she was the ''only'' transman in the story left a bad taste in a few reader's mouths.
***mouths. This gets even more unfortunate if you know that a sadly common stereotype about transmen is that they're just insecure and immature girls who hate their femininity.
** Many people have been {{squick}}ed by Yuki and her near-pedo behavior towards Takatsuki, even if it's [[TheGadfly non serious teasing]]. It doesn't help thatthen the transitioned transsexual character is seen as the pedophile.
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** Many people have been {{squick}}ed by Yuki and her near-pedo behavior towards Takatsuki, even if it's [[TheGadfly non serious teasing]]. It doesn't help that
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*** This gets even more unfortunate if you know that a common stereotype about transmen is that they're just insecure girls who hate their femininity.
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*** This gets even more unfortunate if you know that a sadly common stereotype about transmen is that they're just insecure and immature girls who hate their femininity.
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* FanDumb / MisaimedFandom: A lot of fans of the series completely fail to understand that the series is about two transsexuals... The Mangafox forums have a lot of comments about Nitori being gay, how he should stay male, and things like that.
** Sounds related to the TransEqualsGay misconception.
** For a fair time before the anime came out, fans would often make fanart with Nitori (and sometimes Makoto) having blond hair. This is despite both being shown with brown hair in all official art, including the covers and inside colored artwork; even Nitori's wig was shown to be brown once.
** Sounds related to the TransEqualsGay misconception.
** For a fair time before the anime came out, fans would often make fanart with Nitori (and sometimes Makoto) having blond hair. This is despite both being shown with brown hair in all official art, including the covers and inside colored artwork; even Nitori's wig was shown to be brown once.
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* DieForOurShip: Poor, poor Fumiya got a lot of damage for [[spoiler:dating Chiba]]. To a lesser extent Anna gets criticism just for liking Nitori,
* ItWasHisSled: It's hard to discuss the manga without mentioning [[spoiler:Takatsuki not wanting to live as a boy by the end]].
* ItWasHisSled: It's hard to discuss the manga without mentioning [[spoiler:Takatsuki not wanting to live as a boy by the end]].
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* DieForOurShip: Poor, poor Fumiya got a lot of damage for [[spoiler:dating Chiba]]. To a lesser extent Anna gets criticism just for liking Nitori,
* ItWasHisSled: It's hard to discuss the manga without mentioning [[spoiler:Takatsuki not wanting to live as a boy by the end]].Nitori.
* ItWasHisSled: It's hard to discuss the manga without mentioning [[spoiler:Takatsuki not wanting to live as a boy by the end]].
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* ItChangedNowItSucks: Many manga fans feel this way toward the anime for its various changes. Fans think of it as even an AlternateUniverse from the manga at best; at worst they just [[FanonDiscontinuity pretend it doesn't exist]].
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* ItChangedNowItSucks: Many manga fans feel this way toward the anime for its various changes. Fans think of it as even an AlternateUniverse from ItWasHisSled: It's hard to discuss the manga at best; at worst they just [[FanonDiscontinuity pretend it doesn't exist]]. without mentioning [[spoiler:Takatsuki not wanting to live as a boy by the end]].
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* MisaimedFandom: Aside from what's mentioned above, a part of the fanbase believes it's a {{Shojo}} romance manga, when it's {{Seinen}} and not romantic.
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* MisaimedFandom: Aside from what's mentioned above, a part of the fanbase believes it's a {{Shojo}} {{Shoujo|Demographic}} romance manga, when it's {{Seinen}} and not romantic.
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Many manga fans feel this way toward the anime for its various changes. Fans think of it as even an AlternateUniverse from the manga at best; at worst they just [[FanonDiscontinuity pretend it doesn't exist]].
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: In high school Saori begins dating [[spoiler:Fumiya]] with no pretense of liking him and the whole deal comes off as very "Why not?" Saori was never shown to be a terribly good girlfriend and they got no screentime romance which made fans think she didn't love him. Nope, they never break up or shown any signs of wanting to.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: In high school Saori begins dating [[spoiler:Fumiya]] with no pretense of liking him and the whole deal comes off as very "Why not?" Saori was never shown to be a terribly good girlfriend and they got no screentime romance which made fans think she didn't love him. Nope, they never break up or shown any signs of wanting to.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: In high school Saori begins dating [[spoiler:Fumiya]] with no pretense of liking him and the whole deal comes off as very "Why not?". Saori was never shown to be a terribly good girlfriend and they got no screentime romance which made fans think she didn't love him. Nope, they never break up or shown any signs of wanting to,
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* LGBTFanbase
** if you're in the trans sphere some of the series (and the main/character pages attempts to describe whats going on with the gender stuff) will make you cringe in sympathy.
* NeedsMoreLove: It garnered some attention when the anime premiered, but quickly was quickly overshadowed by ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica''.
** if you're in the trans sphere some of the series (and the main/character pages attempts to describe whats going on with the gender stuff) will make you cringe in sympathy.
* NeedsMoreLove: It garnered some attention when the anime premiered, but quickly was quickly overshadowed by ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica''.
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** ifLGBTFanbase: If you're in the trans sphere some of the series (and the main/character pages attempts to describe whats going on with the gender stuff) will make you cringe in sympathy.
* NeedsMoreLove: It garnered some attention when the anime premiered, but quickly was quickly overshadowed by ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica''.sympathy.
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* NeedsMoreLove: It garnered some attention when the anime premiered, but quickly was quickly overshadowed by ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica''.
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* ItWasHisSled: It's hard to discuss the manga without mentioning [[spoiler;Takatsuki not wanting to live as a boy by the end]].
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* ItWasHisSled: It's hard to discuss the manga without mentioning [[spoiler;Takatsuki [[spoiler:Takatsuki not wanting to live as a boy by the end]].
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** Many people have been {{squick}}ed by Yuki and her near-pedo behavior towards Takatsuki, even if it's [[TheGadfly non serious teasing]]. It doesn't help that then transsexual character is seen as the pedophile.
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* AdaptationDisplacement: The anime is more popular by a bit.
* BadassDecay: You'll often hear complaints how in elementary Takatsuki was a confident badass who beat up boys and stood up for her friends but by the end of the story she's far less secure in herself. In-series it makes sense but that doesn't make fans less sour.
* DieForOurShip: Poor, poor Fumiya got a lot of damage for [[spoiler:dating Chiba]]. To a lesser extent Anna gets criticism just for liking Nitori,
* ItWasHisSled: It's hard to discuss the manga without mentioning [[spoiler;Takatsuki not wanting to live as a boy by the end]].
* ItWasHisSled: It's hard to discuss the manga without mentioning [[spoiler;Takatsuki not wanting to live as a boy by the end]].
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* FauxSymbolism: Almost all colored artworks show the boy uniforms as being pastel colors, when they're traditionally black. The anime, and the shading used in the manga, imply that they are black. It could be symbolically referring to their personalities, but it seems like it's just for artistic value (the artworks often are watercolored too, so it's a theme). Though considering how Shimura is with shading, they really could be pastel.
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* FauxSymbolism: Almost all colored artworks show the boy uniforms as being pastel colors, when they're traditionally black. The anime, and the shading used in the manga, imply that they are black. It could be symbolically referring to their personalities, personalities but it seems like it's just for artistic value (the artworks often are watercolored too, so it's a theme). Though considering how Shimura is with shading, they really could be pastel.
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** [[spoiler:Takatsuki]] at the end of the manga. Fans don't know what pronoun to use.
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** [[spoiler:Takatsuki]] at the end of the manga. Fans don't know what pronoun to use.use anymore, especially to avoid spoilers.
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* ShipToShipCombat: Nitori/Anna vs Takatsuki/Nitori vs Doi/Nitori.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: In high school Saori begins dating [[spoiler:Fumiya]] with no pretense of liking him and the whole deal comes off as very "Why not?". Saori was never shown to be a terribly good girlfriend and they got no screentime romance which made fans think she didn't love him. Nope, they never break up or shown any signs of wanting to,
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: The ending theme to the anime, "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBlX9KKDIR0 For You]]" by RieFu.
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: The ending theme to the anime, "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBlX9KKDIR0 For You]]" by RieFu.
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* TearJerker: The series could easily be called "TearJerker - The Manga", especially for transgender readers.
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** Either way, there's little argument with Yuki. Yuki is more straightforward in that she lives as a woman, is implied to have had surgery, and everyone in-story refers to her as "she" even after knowing her original gender.
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** Either way, there's little argument with Yuki. Yuki is more straightforward in that she lives as a woman, is implied to have had surgery, and everyone in-story refers to her as "she" even after knowing her original gender."she".