History YMMV / WanderingSon

29th Mar '16 2:59:04 PM Pichu-kun
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** Takatsuki's storyline [[spoiler:could've delved into the topic of trans-people who personally don't want to transition, don't identify exactly as one gender, or have doubts about their gender. But nope, she was a cis girl all along.]]
*** Some feel the story might've benefited from more transmen characters in general.

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** Takatsuki's storyline [[spoiler:could've delved into the topic of trans-people who personally don't want to transition, don't identify exactly as one gender, or have doubts about their gender. But nope, she was a cis girl all along.]]
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]] Some feel the story might've benefited from more transmen trans boy characters in general.



* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: The series is actually {{Seinen}}. It however has been referred to as being aimed at kids, and is occasionally mistaken for ''{{Shoujo}}''.
** In America it's actually marketed at young adults and teenagers which probably adds to the confusion.
* [[{{Woobie/Anime}} The Woobie]] - Both Shuuichi and Yoshino. But Shuu more because she's hit harder by DoubleStandard.

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: The series is actually {{Seinen}}. It however has been referred to as being aimed at kids, and is occasionally mistaken for ''{{Shoujo}}''. \n** In America it's actually marketed at young adults and teenagers which probably adds to the confusion.
* [[{{Woobie/Anime}} The Woobie]] - TheWoobie: Both Shuuichi and Yoshino. But Shuu more because she's hit harder by DoubleStandard.
26th Feb '16 6:42:01 PM MiracleChange
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** In America it's actually marketed at young adults and teenagers which probably adds to the confusion.
25th Jan '16 12:01:56 PM Willbyr
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: It's a realistic story about transsexuality and puberty, that includes other parts of the [=LGBT=]. So many people are used to the slapstick OtokonokoGenre type series that ''WanderingSon'' comes off as this, especially to people clueless and ignorant about transgender issues.

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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: It's a realistic story about transsexuality and puberty, that includes other parts of the [=LGBT=]. So many people are used to the slapstick OtokonokoGenre type series that ''WanderingSon'' ''Wandering Son'' comes off as this, especially to people clueless and ignorant about transgender issues.
8th Jan '16 5:46:02 PM MiracleChange
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*** Some feel the story might've benefited from more transmen characters in general.
2nd Jan '16 5:35:20 AM Morgenthaler
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: The ending theme to the anime, "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjeYsEIho6Q For You]]" by RieFu.

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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: The ending theme to the anime, "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjeYsEIho6Q For You]]" by RieFu.Music/RieFu.
4th Dec '15 10:04:42 AM MiracleChange
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** Takatsuki's storyline [[spoiler:could've delved into the topic of trans-people who personally don't want to transition or have doubts about their gender.]]

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** Takatsuki's storyline [[spoiler:could've delved into the topic of trans-people who personally don't want to transition transition, don't identify exactly as one gender, or have doubts about their gender.gender. But nope, she was a cis girl all along.]]
11th Oct '15 12:23:13 PM Pichu-kun
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: It's a realistic story about transsexuality and puberty, that includes other parts of the [=LGBT=]. So many people are used to the slapstick "He's a trap!" type series that ''WanderingSon'' comes off as this, especially to people clueless and ignorant about transgender issues.

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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: It's a realistic story about transsexuality and puberty, that includes other parts of the [=LGBT=]. So many people are used to the slapstick "He's a trap!" OtokonokoGenre type series that ''WanderingSon'' comes off as this, especially to people clueless and ignorant about transgender issues.



* EnsembleDarkhorse: Chizuru is quite popular, at least in the anime, despite her lack of focus.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: EnsembleDarkhorse:
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Chizuru is quite popular, at least in the anime, despite her lack of focus.



* FanPreferredCouple: Takatsuki/Nitori is the most popular pairing in the manga, though Takatsuki/Chiba is quite popular too; Doi/Nitori is gaining popularity.
* FanonDiscontinuity: A fair share of the manga fans refuse to believe the anime existed.

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* FanPreferredCouple: Takatsuki/Nitori is the most popular pairing in the manga, though Takatsuki/Chiba is quite popular too; too. Doi/Nitori is gaining popularity.
gained popular after the anime, though [[MisaimedFandom particularly with yaoi fans]].
* FanonDiscontinuity: FanonDiscontinuity:
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A fair share of the manga fans refuse to believe the anime existed.



* FauxSymbolism: Almost all colored artworks show the boy uniforms as being pastel colors when they're traditionally black. The anime, and the shading used in the manga, imply that they are black. It could be symbolically referring to their personalities but it seems like it's just for artistic value (the artworks often are watercolored too, so it's a theme). Though considering how Shimura is with shading, they really ''could'# be pastel.
* FoeYay: Takatsuki and Chiba in middle school, Doi and Shuuichi.

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* FauxSymbolism: Almost all colored artworks show the boy uniforms as being pastel colors when they're traditionally black. The anime, and the shading used in the manga, imply that they are black. It could be symbolically referring to their personalities but it seems like it's just for artistic value (the artworks often are watercolored too, so it's a theme). Though considering how Shimura is with shading, they really ''could'# ''could' be pastel.
* FoeYay: FoeYay:
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Takatsuki and Chiba in middle school, school had a lot of romantic tension to the point where a large portion of the fandom was confused when nothing came of it.
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Doi and Shuuichi.canonically had a crush on Nitori in middle school but bullied her nevertheless.



* ItWasHisSled: It's hard to discuss the manga without mentioning [[spoiler:Takatsuki not wanting to live as a boy by the end]].

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* ItWasHisSled: ItWasHisSled:
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It's hard to discuss the manga without mentioning [[spoiler:Takatsuki not wanting to live as a boy by the end]].



* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Chiba. After several volumes of being TheScrappy due to her temper and attitude, she was rescued near the end of middle school when she began cooling her head and rekindling her friendships.

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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap:
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Chiba. After several volumes of being TheScrappy due to her temper and attitude, she was rescued near the end of middle school when she began cooling her head and rekindling her friendships.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: In high school Saori begins dating [[spoiler:Fumiya]] with no pretense of liking him and the whole deal comes off as very "Why not?" Saori was never shown to be a terribly good girlfriend and they got no screentime romance which made fans think she didn't love him. Nope, they never break up or shown any signs of wanting to.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
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In high school Saori begins dating [[spoiler:Fumiya]] with no pretense of liking him and the whole deal comes off as very "Why not?" Saori was never shown to be a terribly good girlfriend and they got no screentime romance which made fans think she didn't love him. Nope, they never break up or shown any signs of wanting to.
5th Aug '15 12:08:21 AM RuTsuna
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* [[{{Woobie/Anime}} The Woobie]] - Both Shuuichi and Yoshino. But Shuu more because he's hit harder by DoubleStandard.

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* [[{{Woobie/Anime}} The Woobie]] - Both Shuuichi and Yoshino. But Shuu more because he's she's hit harder by DoubleStandard.
10th Jun '15 10:58:10 PM creader
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* DoubleStandard: How some feel about the only transman in the story [[spoiler:not being trans in the end]].
10th Jun '15 10:56:17 PM creader
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* PronounTrouble: While not strictly a YMMV Trope, with this series the issue tends to be within the fandom than in-story.
** There's been discussion on the wiki about whether to refer to the transgender characters by their biological sex (Nitori is "he" & Takatsuki is "she") or by their correct mental genders (Nitori is "she" & Takatsuki is "he"). As noted in the main page, the general consensus, for the sake of simplicity, is to simply match what's used in-story (Shuuichi "he" / Yoshino "she").
** An argument against this consensus is that what is used in the manga technically shouldn't control how the audience refers to them because we have more knowledge about them than other characters within the series, and even though they are still closeted there is no good excuse not to respect their proper genders when we have the information to know better, "getting the surgery" is not a factor when deciding if you should call someone by the correct pronouns.
*** But as readers we ''do'' see what's going on inside the characters' heads, and they don't think of themselves as other than their assigned gender but rather as ''wanting'' to be other than their assigned gender. You can argue that this is a limitation based on their social upbringing (and it definitely is), but if the use of pronouns is to reflect the way the characters consider themselves, then respecting their still-nascent understandings of their gender identity should also be important. If they are still using their assigned gender pronouns ''in their own thoughts'', then switching the pronouns to fit the Western understanding of how gender works can become an ethnocentric imposition. Regardless -- it's a tricky question, and very emotional for people who've been in Nitori and Takatsuki's situation.
** Either way, there's little argument with Yuki. Yuki is more straightforward in that she lives as a woman, is implied to have had surgery, and everyone in-story refers to her as "she".
** [[spoiler:Takatsuki]] at the end of the manga. Fans don't know what pronoun to use anymore, especially to avoid spoilers.
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