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* HarsherInHindsight: Shaping up to be this in comic #814, where Natani absently notes how glad he is Zen is currently "absent" from his mind and thusly can't tease him about [[spoiler: planting a BigDamnKiss on Keith after what was essentially a mutual love confession]]. Unfortunately, he doesn't know that the reason for Zen's absence is because [[spoiler: his quarry just knocked him out cold and are planning on ''executing'' him because it's too dangerous to let him go]].
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* HarsherInHindsight: Shaping up to be this in comic #814, where Natani absently notes how glad he is Zen is currently "absent" from his mind and thusly can't tease him about [[spoiler: planting a BigDamnKiss on Keith after what was essentially a mutual love confession]]. Unfortunately, he doesn't know that the reason for Zen's absence is because [[spoiler: his quarry just knocked him out cold and are planning on ''executing'' him because it's too dangerous to let him go]].go]] ([[spoiler:[[LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt They don't]]]]).
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* HarsherInHindsight: Shaping up to be this in comic #814, where Natani absently notes how glad she is Zen is currently "absent" from her mind and thusly can't tease her about [[spoiler: planting a BigDamnKiss on Keith after what was essentially a mutual love confession]]. Unfortunately, she doesn't know that the reason for Zen's absence is because [[spoiler: his quarry just knocked him out cold and are planning on ''executing'' him because it's too dangerous to let him go]].
* HoYay: Keith and Nickolai; Mike and Evals. The latter pair can somewhat be overlooked, considering [[spoiler:Mike is cursed to look like a hot girl.]] Everyone in the comic seems to think that Keith and Natani are like this, [[UnsettlingGenderReveal the readers know better]].
** About Keith and Natani, Natani is only starting to not think of herself as male. Partially-destroyed soul and all that.
* HoYay: Keith and Nickolai; Mike and Evals. The latter pair can somewhat be overlooked, considering [[spoiler:Mike is cursed to look like a hot girl.]] Everyone in the comic seems to think that Keith and Natani are like this, [[UnsettlingGenderReveal the readers know better]].
** About Keith and Natani, Natani is only starting to not think of herself as male. Partially-destroyed soul and all that.
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* HarsherInHindsight: Shaping up to be this in comic #814, where Natani absently notes how glad she he is Zen is currently "absent" from her his mind and thusly can't tease her him about [[spoiler: planting a BigDamnKiss on Keith after what was essentially a mutual love confession]]. Unfortunately, she he doesn't know that the reason for Zen's absence is because [[spoiler: his quarry just knocked him out cold and are planning on ''executing'' him because it's too dangerous to let him go]].
* HoYay: Keith and Nickolai; Mike and Evals. The latter pair can somewhat be overlooked, considering [[spoiler:Mike is cursed to look like a hot girl.]]Everyone in the comic seems to think that Keith and Natani are like also this, [[UnsettlingGenderReveal and it has been commented on by characters in the readers know better]].
** About Keith and Natani, Natani is only starting to not think of herself as male. Partially-destroyed soul and all that.comic a few times.
* HoYay: Keith and Nickolai; Mike and Evals. The latter pair can somewhat be overlooked, considering [[spoiler:Mike is cursed to look like a hot girl.]]
** About Keith and Natani, Natani is only starting to not think of herself as male. Partially-destroyed soul and all that.
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* TrollingCreator: Tom's April Fool's pranks, which get more and more elaborate (not to mention epic) each year. Sadly, after this year's prank, he's promised not to do any more.
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* TrollingCreator: Tom's April Fool's pranks, which get more and more elaborate (not to mention epic) each year. Sadly, after this year's the 2014 prank, he's promised not to do any more.
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*** He ''does'', however, [[BrotherSisterIncest admit to having occasionally "fooled around" with her as kids]] out of curiosity on that same page.
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* CrowningMomentOfFunny: Flora getting a nosebleed at the thought of a full-contact massage from Kathrin.
** In a {{Meta}} example, Tom promised a new comic for every $100 donated. He quickly owed everyone twenty extra comics.
** [[http://twokinds.net/?p=68 In which everyone finds Trace and Flora's room.]] [[AuthorAvatar Everyone.]]
** In a {{Meta}} example, Tom promised a new comic for every $100 donated. He quickly owed everyone twenty extra comics.
** [[http://twokinds.net/?p=68 In which everyone finds Trace and Flora's room.]] [[AuthorAvatar Everyone.]]
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* BrokenAesop: The comic is supposed to decry racism and promote equal treatment of others, but both [[AnAesop Aesops]] are undermined somewhat. None of the slaves seem to mind being slaves, and one of the most popular characters is a (sex) slave trader who [[MindControl forces his slaves to obey]] with magic. And '''one''' of the slaves doesn't mind being a slave, at best; the rest are not dissatisfied because they know it could be worse. And the characters regularly point out that the trader is both a bit of a dick and a complete wacko, even if they get along with him most of the time.
** Recent comics indicate that it's getting back on track. It turns out the slaves were under [[MindControl mind control]].
** The mind control stuff is Templar law (who are either chaotic or lawful evil; it seems to vary), and said trader seemingly doesn't like doing it. The cast page also notes that he treats his slaves very well, and most are devoted to him as a result. His brother, on the other hand, shows what other slavers are probably like.
** This does, however, stand in contradiction with his depiction in Chapter 14 - [[spoiler:it's revealed (so far) that he's a {{Hypocrite}}.]]
*** AlternateCharacterInterpretation runs rampant. [[spoiler:Like in whether it's actually right for said slave trader to release his slaves because they did what they were supposed to, or in the fact that he hasn't yet placed them back under MindControl. He even went out of his way to make Kat, his friend and the only non-Mind Controlled slave on the ship, promise to take herself and all the other slaves out to sea and safety if he and the others failed to save the day in the previous arc. He's breaking the law already by leaving one not under the spell, which could cause trouble for all involved, slaves included. Releasing all his slaves at once would be even worse if they were found out. And to top it all off, to release all his slaves, ''including'' Kat, would force him to permanently dock his ship, grounding him without a crew. In other words, giving up his entire life. For them doing exactly what they were told.]] At best, it's actually showing multiple sides to the concept and aesop, putting this under the comic's general GreyAndGrayMorality about everything not directly protagonist-related.
*** It has more recently been revealed that Eric had no idea that the MindControl spell had been broken...
**** [[spoiler:...Which causes everything up to this point, ''including'' Eric's supposed WhatTheHellHero moment, to make perfect, objective sense. Especially his comment on "Slaves doing what they're supposed to do." In his mind, Mike and Evals were still under the control spell, which would defer command to Kat since she's the only crewmember on board without the MindControl spell, and thus any free will besides Flora. He specifically told Kat to wait for him and everyone else if they managed to destroy the tower, which they did. So he really did think Mike and Evals never even had a choice... They were just following orders the entire time, and wouldn't deserve to be rewarded for the act of following orders they had no control over. This whole thing may have been avoided had anyone bothered to mention to Eric that Mike and Evals actually ''were'' sticking out their necks of their free will, even if they were being forced into it by Kat and Flora. ...Unfortunately, this all leads into FridgeHorror, as Evals trying to start a coup may justify every single fear Eric has in his mind of letting all the slaves free, and break any chance this has of ending peacefully.]]
** The whole theme of racism is also botched horribly, as is mentioned [[http://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/9/90/2K_Moderators.jpg here]].
*** It's rather far-fetched to compare the Keidran directly to Africans or the Basitin to Asians. Most of the other points made in the post are rather contestable as well. A bigger problem would arguably be that for a comic that's supposed to deal with racism, it's remarkably scared of making any kind of point about it, dodging the elephant in the room as much as possible.
** Recent comics indicate that it's getting back on track. It turns out the slaves were under [[MindControl mind control]].
** The mind control stuff is Templar law (who are either chaotic or lawful evil; it seems to vary), and said trader seemingly doesn't like doing it. The cast page also notes that he treats his slaves very well, and most are devoted to him as a result. His brother, on the other hand, shows what other slavers are probably like.
** This does, however, stand in contradiction with his depiction in Chapter 14 - [[spoiler:it's revealed (so far) that he's a {{Hypocrite}}.]]
*** AlternateCharacterInterpretation runs rampant. [[spoiler:Like in whether it's actually right for said slave trader to release his slaves because they did what they were supposed to, or in the fact that he hasn't yet placed them back under MindControl. He even went out of his way to make Kat, his friend and the only non-Mind Controlled slave on the ship, promise to take herself and all the other slaves out to sea and safety if he and the others failed to save the day in the previous arc. He's breaking the law already by leaving one not under the spell, which could cause trouble for all involved, slaves included. Releasing all his slaves at once would be even worse if they were found out. And to top it all off, to release all his slaves, ''including'' Kat, would force him to permanently dock his ship, grounding him without a crew. In other words, giving up his entire life. For them doing exactly what they were told.]] At best, it's actually showing multiple sides to the concept and aesop, putting this under the comic's general GreyAndGrayMorality about everything not directly protagonist-related.
*** It has more recently been revealed that Eric had no idea that the MindControl spell had been broken...
**** [[spoiler:...Which causes everything up to this point, ''including'' Eric's supposed WhatTheHellHero moment, to make perfect, objective sense. Especially his comment on "Slaves doing what they're supposed to do." In his mind, Mike and Evals were still under the control spell, which would defer command to Kat since she's the only crewmember on board without the MindControl spell, and thus any free will besides Flora. He specifically told Kat to wait for him and everyone else if they managed to destroy the tower, which they did. So he really did think Mike and Evals never even had a choice... They were just following orders the entire time, and wouldn't deserve to be rewarded for the act of following orders they had no control over. This whole thing may have been avoided had anyone bothered to mention to Eric that Mike and Evals actually ''were'' sticking out their necks of their free will, even if they were being forced into it by Kat and Flora. ...Unfortunately, this all leads into FridgeHorror, as Evals trying to start a coup may justify every single fear Eric has in his mind of letting all the slaves free, and break any chance this has of ending peacefully.]]
** The whole theme of racism is also botched horribly, as is mentioned [[http://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/9/90/2K_Moderators.jpg here]].
*** It's rather far-fetched to compare the Keidran directly to Africans or the Basitin to Asians. Most of the other points made in the post are rather contestable as well. A bigger problem would arguably be that for a comic that's supposed to deal with racism, it's remarkably scared of making any kind of point about it, dodging the elephant in the room as much as possible.
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* AbuseIsOkayWhenItIsFemaleOnMale: [[CatGirl Flora]] and Kathrin trying to bully Mike and Evals in finding Trace and Eric right after being freed (meaning Eric would most likely reenslave them) is played for laughs. [[DudeNotFunny Fans were not laughing]], and [[AuthorsSavingThrow this was quickly corrected]].
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* HoYay: Keith and Nickolai; Mike and Evals. The latter pair can somewhat be overlooked, considering [[spoiler:Mike is cursed to look like a hot girl.]] Everyone in the comic seems to think that Keith and Natani are like this, [[DroppedABridgetOnHim the readers know better]].
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* HoYay: Keith and Nickolai; Mike and Evals. The latter pair can somewhat be overlooked, considering [[spoiler:Mike is cursed to look like a hot girl.]] Everyone in the comic seems to think that Keith and Natani are like this, [[DroppedABridgetOnHim [[UnsettlingGenderReveal the readers know better]].
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* MoralEventHorizon: An... unusual example. We don't know exactly who is responsible, since their minds were fused at the time. Natani and his/her brother attacked and apparently killed Maren, disguised as her (with injury), then blamed it on a Keidran who was already [[FantasticRacism under suspicion]] by the [[NoNameGiven redhead guy]]. Then smiles, indicating no guilt over killing someone and letting an innocent fellow Keidran get killed in retribution.
** [[http://twokinds.keenspot.com/archive.php?p=537 They don't know him as "innocent".]] They are however, supposed to try and bring him back alive "if possible", so [[DoWrongRight letting him get killed is sloppy work, wouldn't hire]].
** [[http://twokinds.keenspot.com/archive.php?p=537 They don't know him as "innocent".]] They are however, supposed to try and bring him back alive "if possible", so [[DoWrongRight letting him get killed is sloppy work, wouldn't hire]].
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** Trace considers Flora to be an animal. [[ButYouScrewOneGoat Doesn't stop him from giving her the hot pork injection]] (and considering marriage to her).
*** Somewhat justified, as that was one of various times Templar Trace leaked out a bit. He has [[http://twokinds.keenspot.com/archive.php?p=194 showed]] his actual beliefs earlier.
*** Somewhat justified, as that was one of various times Templar Trace leaked out a bit. He has [[http://twokinds.keenspot.com/archive.php?p=194 showed]] his actual beliefs earlier.
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** The whole theme of racism is also botched horribly, as is mentioned [[http://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/9/90/2K_Moderators.jpg here]].
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** The whole theme of racism is also botched horribly, as is mentioned [[http://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/9/90/2K_Moderators.jpg here]].
*** It's rather far-fetched to compare the Keidran directly to Africans or the Basitin to Asians. Most of the other points made in the post are rather contestable as well. A bigger problem would arguably be that for a comic that's supposed to deal with racism, it's remarkably scared of making any kind of point about it, dodging the elephant in the room as much as possible.
*** It's rather far-fetched to compare the Keidran directly to Africans or the Basitin to Asians. Most of the other points made in the post are rather contestable as well. A bigger problem would arguably be that for a comic that's supposed to deal with racism, it's remarkably scared of making any kind of point about it, dodging the elephant in the room as much as possible.
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* AbuseIsOkayWhenItIsFemaleOnMale: [[CatGirl Flora]] and Kathrin tring to bully Mike and Evals in finding Trace and Eric right after being freed (meaning Eric would most likly reenslave them) is played for laughs, [[DudeNotFunny fans were not laughing]], [[AuthorsSavingThrow this was quickly corrected]].
* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Eric pretty much embodies all of the contradictions inherent in institutionalized slavery.- A slave trader who appears to be an otherwise decent man who genuinely cares for his slaves even while he exploits their labor and even uses them for sex. He's a hypocrite but he can claim (with some justification) that by keeping them he's protecting them from others far worse. In short, he's a bundle of contradictions, rather like real world people like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson.
* BrokenAesop: The comic is supposed to decry racism and promote equal treatment of others, but both [[AnAesop Aesops]] are undermined somewhat. None of the slaves seem to mind being slaves, and one of the most popular characters is a (sex) slave trader who [[MindControl forces his slaves to obey]] with magic. And '''one''' of the slaves doesn't mind being a slave, at best the rest are not-dissatisfied because they know it could be worse. And the characters regularly point out that the trader is both a bit of a dick and a complete wacko, even if they get along with him most of the time.
* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Eric pretty much embodies all of the contradictions inherent in institutionalized slavery.- A slave trader who appears to be an otherwise decent man who genuinely cares for his slaves even while he exploits their labor and even uses them for sex. He's a hypocrite but he can claim (with some justification) that by keeping them he's protecting them from others far worse. In short, he's a bundle of contradictions, rather like real world people like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson.
* BrokenAesop: The comic is supposed to decry racism and promote equal treatment of others, but both [[AnAesop Aesops]] are undermined somewhat. None of the slaves seem to mind being slaves, and one of the most popular characters is a (sex) slave trader who [[MindControl forces his slaves to obey]] with magic. And '''one''' of the slaves doesn't mind being a slave, at best the rest are not-dissatisfied because they know it could be worse. And the characters regularly point out that the trader is both a bit of a dick and a complete wacko, even if they get along with him most of the time.
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* AbuseIsOkayWhenItIsFemaleOnMale: [[CatGirl Flora]] and Kathrin tring trying to bully Mike and Evals in finding Trace and Eric right after being freed (meaning Eric would most likly likely reenslave them) is played for laughs, laughs. [[DudeNotFunny fans Fans were not laughing]], and [[AuthorsSavingThrow this was quickly corrected]].
* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Eric pretty much embodies all of the contradictions inherent in institutionalizedslavery.slavery - A he's a slave trader who appears to be an otherwise decent man who genuinely cares for his slaves slaves, even while he exploits their labor and even uses them for sex. He's a hypocrite hypocrite, but he can claim (with some justification) that by keeping them them, he's protecting them from others far worse. In short, he's a bundle of contradictions, rather like real world people like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson.
* BrokenAesop: The comic is supposed to decry racism and promote equal treatment of others, but both [[AnAesop Aesops]] are undermined somewhat. None of the slaves seem to mind being slaves, and one of the most popular characters is a (sex) slave trader who [[MindControl forces his slaves to obey]] with magic. And '''one''' of the slaves doesn't mind being a slave, atbest best; the rest are not-dissatisfied not dissatisfied because they know it could be worse. And the characters regularly point out that the trader is both a bit of a dick and a complete wacko, even if they get along with him most of the time.
* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Eric pretty much embodies all of the contradictions inherent in institutionalized
* BrokenAesop: The comic is supposed to decry racism and promote equal treatment of others, but both [[AnAesop Aesops]] are undermined somewhat. None of the slaves seem to mind being slaves, and one of the most popular characters is a (sex) slave trader who [[MindControl forces his slaves to obey]] with magic. And '''one''' of the slaves doesn't mind being a slave, at
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** The mind control stuff is templar law (who are either chaotic or lawful evil it seems to vary) and said trader seemingly doesn't like doing it, the cast page also notes that he treats his slaves very well and most are devoted to him as a result his brother on the other hand shows what other slaver are probably like.
** This does however stand in contradiction with his depiction in Chapter 14 - [[spoiler: it's revealed (so far) he's a Hypocrite.]]
*** AlternateCharacterInterpretation runs rampant. [[spoiler: Like in whether it's actually right for said slave trader to release his slaves because they did what they were supposed to, or in the fact that he hasn't yet placed them back under MindControl. He even went out of his way to make Kat, his friend and the only non-Mind Controlled slave on the ship, promise to take herself and all the other slaves out to sea and safety if he and the others failed to save the day in the previous arc. He's breaking the law already leaving one not under the spell which could cause trouble for all involved, slaves included. Releasing all his slaves at once would be even worse if they were found out. And to top it all off, to release all his slaves, ''including'' Kat would force him to permanently dock his ship, grounding him without a crew. In other words, giving up his entire life. For them doing exactly what they were told.]] At best, it's actually showing multiple sides to the concept and aesop, putting this under the comic's general GreyAndGrayMorality about everything not directly protagonist-related.
** This does however stand in contradiction with his depiction in Chapter 14 - [[spoiler: it's revealed (so far) he's a Hypocrite.]]
*** AlternateCharacterInterpretation runs rampant. [[spoiler: Like in whether it's actually right for said slave trader to release his slaves because they did what they were supposed to, or in the fact that he hasn't yet placed them back under MindControl. He even went out of his way to make Kat, his friend and the only non-Mind Controlled slave on the ship, promise to take herself and all the other slaves out to sea and safety if he and the others failed to save the day in the previous arc. He's breaking the law already leaving one not under the spell which could cause trouble for all involved, slaves included. Releasing all his slaves at once would be even worse if they were found out. And to top it all off, to release all his slaves, ''including'' Kat would force him to permanently dock his ship, grounding him without a crew. In other words, giving up his entire life. For them doing exactly what they were told.]] At best, it's actually showing multiple sides to the concept and aesop, putting this under the comic's general GreyAndGrayMorality about everything not directly protagonist-related.
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** The mind control stuff is templar Templar law (who are either chaotic or lawful evil evil; it seems to vary) vary), and said trader seemingly doesn't like doing it, the it. The cast page also notes that he treats his slaves very well well, and most are devoted to him as a result his brother result. His brother, on the other hand hand, shows what other slaver slavers are probably like.
** Thisdoes however does, however, stand in contradiction with his depiction in Chapter 14 - [[spoiler: it's [[spoiler:it's revealed (so far) that he's a Hypocrite.{{Hypocrite}}.]]
*** AlternateCharacterInterpretation runs rampant.[[spoiler: Like [[spoiler:Like in whether it's actually right for said slave trader to release his slaves because they did what they were supposed to, or in the fact that he hasn't yet placed them back under MindControl. He even went out of his way to make Kat, his friend and the only non-Mind Controlled slave on the ship, promise to take herself and all the other slaves out to sea and safety if he and the others failed to save the day in the previous arc. He's breaking the law already by leaving one not under the spell spell, which could cause trouble for all involved, slaves included. Releasing all his slaves at once would be even worse if they were found out. And to top it all off, to release all his slaves, ''including'' Kat Kat, would force him to permanently dock his ship, grounding him without a crew. In other words, giving up his entire life. For them doing exactly what they were told.]] At best, it's actually showing multiple sides to the concept and aesop, putting this under the comic's general GreyAndGrayMorality about everything not directly protagonist-related.
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*** AlternateCharacterInterpretation runs rampant.
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**** [[spoiler: ...Which causes everything up to this point, ''including'' Eric's supposed WhatTheHellHero moment to make perfect, objective sense. Especially his comment on "Slaves doing what they're supposed to do." In his mind, Mike and Evals were still under the control spell, which would defer command to Kat since she's the only crewmember on board without the MindControl spell, and thus any free will besides Flora. He specifically told Kat to wait for him and everyone else if they managed to destroy the tower, which they did. So he really did think Mike and Evals never even had a choice... They were just following orders the entire time, and wouldn't deserve to be rewarded for the act of following orders they had no control over. This whole thing may have been avoided had anyone bothered to mention to Eric that Mike and Evals actually were sticking out their necks of their free will, even if they were being forced into it by Kat and Flora. ...Unfortunately this all leads into FridgeHorror as Evals trying to start a coup may justify every single fear Eric has in his mind of letting all the slaves free, and break any chance this has of ending peacefully.]]
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**** [[spoiler: ...[[spoiler:...Which causes everything up to this point, ''including'' Eric's supposed WhatTheHellHero moment moment, to make perfect, objective sense. Especially his comment on "Slaves doing what they're supposed to do." In his mind, Mike and Evals were still under the control spell, which would defer command to Kat since she's the only crewmember on board without the MindControl spell, and thus any free will besides Flora. He specifically told Kat to wait for him and everyone else if they managed to destroy the tower, which they did. So he really did think Mike and Evals never even had a choice... They were just following orders the entire time, and wouldn't deserve to be rewarded for the act of following orders they had no control over. This whole thing may have been avoided had anyone bothered to mention to Eric that Mike and Evals actually were ''were'' sticking out their necks of their free will, even if they were being forced into it by Kat and Flora. ...Unfortunately Unfortunately, this all leads into FridgeHorror FridgeHorror, as Evals trying to start a coup may justify every single fear Eric has in his mind of letting all the slaves free, and break any chance this has of ending peacefully.]]
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* HoYay: Keith and Nickolai; Mike and Evals. The latter pair can somewhat be overlooked, considering [[spoiler: Mike is cursed to look like a hot girl.]] Everyone in the comic seems to think that Keith and Natani are like this, [[DroppedABridgetOnHim the readers know better]].
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* HoYay: Keith and Nickolai; Mike and Evals. The latter pair can somewhat be overlooked, considering [[spoiler: Mike [[spoiler:Mike is cursed to look like a hot girl.]] Everyone in the comic seems to think that Keith and Natani are like this, [[DroppedABridgetOnHim the readers know better]].
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* LesYay: Flora and Kathrin's [[http://twokinds.net/?p=435 relationship]] [[spoiler: on the ship]] and right after was somewhat uncomfortable.
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** Double mention goes to [[http://twokindscomic.com/archive/?p=510 later]], when [[spoiler: a partial merger of Trace and Templar Trace]] wakes up, slaughters a bunch of acolytes by ''liquefying their brains'', and then speaks in BlackSpeech crossed with ManySpiritsInsideOfOne complete with EyeAwaken and WideEyesAndShrunkenIrises.
--> [[spoiler: Trace!Templar!Trace: '''ST''O''P HU''RT''ING FLO''R''A!''']]
--> [[spoiler: Trace!Templar!Trace: '''ST''O''P HU''RT''ING FLO''R''A!''']]
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** Double mention goes to [[http://twokindscomic.com/archive/?p=510 later]], when [[spoiler: a [[spoiler:a partial merger of Trace and Templar Trace]] Templar!Trace]] wakes up, slaughters a bunch of acolytes by ''liquefying their brains'', and then speaks in BlackSpeech crossed with ManySpiritsInsideOfOne complete with EyeAwaken and WideEyesAndShrunkenIrises.
-->[[spoiler: Trace!Templar!Trace: [[spoiler:Trace!Templar!Trace: '''ST''O''P HU''RT''ING FLO''R''A!''']]
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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: I let the image [[http://twokinds.net/?p=431 speak for itself]].
** Double mention goes to [[http://twokindscomic.com/archive/?p=510 later]], when [[spoiler: a partial merger of Trace and Templar Trace]] wakes up, slaughters a bunch of acolytes by ''liquefying their brains'', and then speaks in BlackSpeech crossed with ManySpiritsInsideOfOne complete with EyeAwaken and WideEyesAndShrunkenIrises.
--> [[spoiler: Trace!Templar!Trace: '''ST''O''P HU''RT''ING FLO''R''A!''']]
** Double mention goes to [[http://twokindscomic.com/archive/?p=510 later]], when [[spoiler: a partial merger of Trace and Templar Trace]] wakes up, slaughters a bunch of acolytes by ''liquefying their brains'', and then speaks in BlackSpeech crossed with ManySpiritsInsideOfOne complete with EyeAwaken and WideEyesAndShrunkenIrises.
--> [[spoiler: Trace!Templar!Trace: '''ST''O''P HU''RT''ING FLO''R''A!''']]
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* NightmareFuel: I let the image [[http://twokinds.net/?p=431 speak for itself]].
** Double mention goes to [[http://twokindscomic.com/archive/?p=510 later]], when [[spoiler: a partial merger of Trace and Templar Trace]] wakes up, slaughters a bunch of acolytes by ''liquefying their brains'', and then speaks in BlackSpeech crossed with ManySpiritsInsideOfOne complete with EyeAwaken and WideEyesAndShrunkenIrises.
--> [[spoiler: Trace!Templar!Trace: '''ST''O''P HU''RT''ING FLO''R''A!''']]
** Double mention goes to [[http://twokindscomic.com/archive/?p=510 later]], when [[spoiler: a partial merger of Trace and Templar Trace]] wakes up, slaughters a bunch of acolytes by ''liquefying their brains'', and then speaks in BlackSpeech crossed with ManySpiritsInsideOfOne complete with EyeAwaken and WideEyesAndShrunkenIrises.
--> [[spoiler: Trace!Templar!Trace: '''ST''O''P HU''RT''ING FLO''R''A!''']]
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Complete Monster has really restrictive criteria. These examples sound more like Jerkass and are Zero Context Examples anyway
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* CompleteMonster: Trace used to be one of these until his amnesia. See HighOctaneNightmareFuel below for the definitive example.
** General Alabaster was pretty much single-handedly responsible for everything that's gone wrong in Keith's life, all the while being a selfish, unrepentant JerkAss.
** General Alabaster was pretty much single-handedly responsible for everything that's gone wrong in Keith's life, all the while being a selfish, unrepentant JerkAss.
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** The whole theme of racism is also botched horribly, as is mentioned [[http://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/9/90/2K_Moderators.jpg here]].
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* AbuseIsOkayWhenItIsFemaleOnMale: [[CatGirl Flora]] and Kathrin tring to bully Mike and Evals in finding Trace and Eric right after being freed (meaning Eric would most likly reenslave them) is played
for laughs, [[DudeNotFunny fans were not laughing]], [[AuthorsSavingThrow this was quickly corrected]].
for laughs, [[DudeNotFunny fans were not laughing]], [[AuthorsSavingThrow this was quickly corrected]].
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* AbuseIsOkayWhenItIsFemaleOnMale: [[CatGirl Flora]] and Kathrin tring to bully Mike and Evals in finding Trace and Eric right after being freed (meaning Eric would most likly reenslave them) is played
played for laughs, [[DudeNotFunny fans were not laughing]], [[AuthorsSavingThrow this was quickly corrected]].
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* HotAmazon[=/=]AmazonianBeauty: "King" Adelaide
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* LesYay: Flora and Kathrin's [[http://twokinds.net/?p=435 relationship]] [[spoiler: on the ship]] and right after was somewhat uncomfortable.
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* HotAmazon[=/=]AmazonianBeauty: "King" Adelaide
* HoYay: Keith and Nickolai; Mike and Evals. The latter pair can somewhat be overlooked, considering [[spoiler: Mike is cursed to look like a hot girl.]] Everyone in the comic seems to think that Keith and Natani are like this, [[DroppedABridgetOnHim the readers know better]].
** About Keith and Natani, Natani is only starting to not think of herself as male. Partially-destroyed soul and all that.
* HoYay: Keith and Nickolai; Mike and Evals. The latter pair can somewhat be overlooked, considering [[spoiler: Mike is cursed to look like a hot girl.]] Everyone in the comic seems to think that Keith and Natani are like this, [[DroppedABridgetOnHim the readers know better]].
** About Keith and Natani, Natani is only starting to not think of herself as male. Partially-destroyed soul and all that.
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* FridgeHorror: Eric keeps all of his slaves under a spell (except for Kathrin) that [[http://twokinds.net/?p=292 compels them to obey him]]. Coupled with the fact that he admitted that he [[http://twokinds.net/?p=310 slept with some of the female slaves]], we can only conclude that Eric is a '''rapist'''. ...Unless they were all released temporarily to choose for themselves like Kathrin, or it was just Kathrin he actually slept with.
** Eric specifies that he is ''not'' having sex with Kathrin because he considers her more a little sister than love interest (bummer for her, since she's one Keidran actually in love with him), but also that he is active with his other female slaves. Considering how terrified Mike was about Eric finding out his apparent GenderBender situation, the implications are unfortunate.
** Trace considers Flora to be an animal. [[ButYouScrewOneGoat Doesn't stop him from giving her the hot pork injection]] (and considering marriage to her).
*** Somewhat justified, as that was one of various times Templar Trace leaked out a bit. He has [[http://twokinds.keenspot.com/archive.php?p=194 showed]] his actual beliefs earlier.
** Eric specifies that he is ''not'' having sex with Kathrin because he considers her more a little sister than love interest (bummer for her, since she's one Keidran actually in love with him), but also that he is active with his other female slaves. Considering how terrified Mike was about Eric finding out his apparent GenderBender situation, the implications are unfortunate.
** Trace considers Flora to be an animal. [[ButYouScrewOneGoat Doesn't stop him from giving her the hot pork injection]] (and considering marriage to her).
*** Somewhat justified, as that was one of various times Templar Trace leaked out a bit. He has [[http://twokinds.keenspot.com/archive.php?p=194 showed]] his actual beliefs earlier.
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**** [[spoiler: ...Which causes everything up to this point, ''including'' Eric's supposed WhatTheHellHero moment to make perfect, objective sense. Especially his comment on "Slaves doing what they're supposed to do." In his mind, Mike and Evals were still under the control spell, which would defer command to Kat since she's the only crewmember on board without the MindControl spell, and thus any free will besides Flora. He specifically told Kat to wait for him and everyone else if they managed to destroy the tower, which they did. So he really did think Mike and Evals never even had a choice... They were just following orders the entire time, and wouldn't deserve to be rewarded for the act of following orders they had no control over. This whole thing may have been avoided had anyone bothered to mention to Eric that Mike and Evals actually were sticking out their necks of their free will, even if they were being forced into it by Kat and Flora. ...Unfortunately this all leads into FridgeHorror as Evals trying to start a coup may justify every single fear Eric has in his mind of letting all the slaves free, and break any chance this has of ending peacefully.]]
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* AbuseIsOkayWhenItIsFemaleOnMale: [[CatGirl Flora]] and Kathrin tring to bully Mike and Evals in finding Trace and Eric right after being freed (meaning Eric would most likly reenslave them) is played for laughs, [[DudeNotFunny fans were not laughing]], [[AuthorsSavingThrow this was quickly corrected]].
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* AbuseIsOkayWhenItIsFemaleOnMale: [[CatGirl Flora]] and Kathrin tring to bully Mike and Evals in finding Trace and Eric right after being freed (meaning Eric would most likly reenslave them) is played played
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Eric pretty much embodies all of the contradictions inherent in institutionalized slavery.- A slave trader who appears to be an otherwise decent man who genuinely cares for his slaves even while he exploits their labor and even uses them for sex. He's a hypocrite but he can claim (with some justification) that by keeping them he's protecting them from others far worse. In short, he's a bundle of contradictions, rather like real world people like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Eric pretty much embodies all of the contradictions inherent in institutionalized slavery.- A slave trader who appears to be an otherwise decent man who genuinely cares for his slaves even while he exploits their labor and even uses them for sex. He's a hypocrite but he can claim (with some justification) that by keeping them he's protecting them from others far worse. In short, he's a bundle of contradictions, rather like real world people like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson.
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*** It has more recently been revealed that Eric had no idea that the MindControl spell had been broken...
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* BrokenAesop: The comic is supposed to decry racism and promote equal treatment of others, but both [[AnAesop Aesops]] are undermined somewhat. None of the slaves seem to mind being slaves, and one of the most popular characters is a (sex) slave trader who [[MindControl forces his slaves to obey]] with magic. And '''one''' of the slaves doesn't mind being a slave, at best the rest are not-dissatisfied because they know it could be worse. And the characters regularly point out that the trader is both a bit of a dick and a complete wacko, even if they get along with him most of the time.
** Recent comics indicate that it's getting back on track. It turns out the slaves were under [[MindControl mind control]].
** The mind control stuff is templar law (who are either chaotic or lawful evil it seems to vary) and said trader seemingly doesn't like doing it, the cast page also notes that he treats his slaves very well and most are devoted to him as a result his brother on the other hand shows what other slaver are probably like.
** This does however stand in contradiction with his depiction in Chapter 14 - [[spoiler: it's revealed (so far) he's a Hypocrite.]]
*** AlternateCharacterInterpretation runs rampant. [[spoiler: Like in whether it's actually right for said slave trader to release his slaves because they did what they were supposed to, or in the fact that he hasn't yet placed them back under MindControl. He even went out of his way to make Kat, his friend and the only non-Mind Controlled slave on the ship, promise to take herself and all the other slaves out to sea and safety if he and the others failed to save the day in the previous arc. He's breaking the law already leaving one not under the spell which could cause trouble for all involved, slaves included. Releasing all his slaves at once would be even worse if they were found out. And to top it all off, to release all his slaves, ''including'' Kat would force him to permanently dock his ship, grounding him without a crew. In other words, giving up his entire life. For them doing exactly what they were told.]] At best, it's actually showing multiple sides to the concept and aesop, putting this under the comic's general GreyAndGrayMorality about everything not directly protagonist-related.
** Recent comics indicate that it's getting back on track. It turns out the slaves were under [[MindControl mind control]].
** The mind control stuff is templar law (who are either chaotic or lawful evil it seems to vary) and said trader seemingly doesn't like doing it, the cast page also notes that he treats his slaves very well and most are devoted to him as a result his brother on the other hand shows what other slaver are probably like.
** This does however stand in contradiction with his depiction in Chapter 14 - [[spoiler: it's revealed (so far) he's a Hypocrite.]]
*** AlternateCharacterInterpretation runs rampant. [[spoiler: Like in whether it's actually right for said slave trader to release his slaves because they did what they were supposed to, or in the fact that he hasn't yet placed them back under MindControl. He even went out of his way to make Kat, his friend and the only non-Mind Controlled slave on the ship, promise to take herself and all the other slaves out to sea and safety if he and the others failed to save the day in the previous arc. He's breaking the law already leaving one not under the spell which could cause trouble for all involved, slaves included. Releasing all his slaves at once would be even worse if they were found out. And to top it all off, to release all his slaves, ''including'' Kat would force him to permanently dock his ship, grounding him without a crew. In other words, giving up his entire life. For them doing exactly what they were told.]] At best, it's actually showing multiple sides to the concept and aesop, putting this under the comic's general GreyAndGrayMorality about everything not directly protagonist-related.
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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: I let the image [[http://twokinds.net/?p=431 speak for itself]].
** Double mention goes to [[http://twokindscomic.com/archive/?p=510 later]], when [[spoiler: a partial merger of Trace and Templar Trace]] wakes up, slaughters a bunch of acolytes by ''liquefying their brains'', and then speaks in BlackSpeech crossed with ManySpiritsInsideOfOne complete with EyeAwaken and WideEyesAndShrunkenIrises.
--> [[spoiler: Trace!Templar!Trace: '''ST''O''P HU''RT''ING FLO''R''A!''']]
* TheWoobie: Poor, poor Keith.
** IronWoobie: [[MadeOfIron Literally]]. [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment Tough species is tough]].
** Double mention goes to [[http://twokindscomic.com/archive/?p=510 later]], when [[spoiler: a partial merger of Trace and Templar Trace]] wakes up, slaughters a bunch of acolytes by ''liquefying their brains'', and then speaks in BlackSpeech crossed with ManySpiritsInsideOfOne complete with EyeAwaken and WideEyesAndShrunkenIrises.
--> [[spoiler: Trace!Templar!Trace: '''ST''O''P HU''RT''ING FLO''R''A!''']]
* TheWoobie: Poor, poor Keith.
** IronWoobie: [[MadeOfIron Literally]]. [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment Tough species is tough]].