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* ValuesDissonance: In the context of Potterverse; Babbitty Rabbitty feels no compunction about threatening to use a curse later declared Unforgiveable and outlawed.
** Then again, she ''is'' threatening to use it on a muggle king who persecutes magic-users (and had just two minutes ago tried to kill her with an axe), [[AssholeVictim so there's at least a justification for it]].

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* OlderThanTheyThink: There is real folklore of dead people turning out to have hairy hearts as a sign of the power they had back when they were alive, like the Greek king Aristomenes and the Spanish soldier UsefulNotes/JulianRomero.
* ValuesDissonance: In the context of Potterverse; Babbitty Rabbitty feels no compunction about threatening to use a curse later declared Unforgiveable and outlawed.
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outlawed. Then again, she ''is'' threatening to use it on a muggle king who persecutes magic-users (and had just two minutes ago tried to kill her with an axe), [[AssholeVictim so there's at least a justification for it]].
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** Then again, she ''is'' threatening to use it on a muggle king who persecutes magic-users (and had just two minutes ago tried to kill her with an axe), [[AssholeVictim so there's at least some possible justification]].

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** Then again, she ''is'' threatening to use it on a muggle king who persecutes magic-users (and had just two minutes ago tried to kill her with an axe), [[AssholeVictim so there's at least some possible justification]].a justification for it]].
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* MagnificentBastard: "The Tale of the Three Brothers": [[TheGrimReaper Death]] is the ghostly figure in charge of taking deceased souls to the afterlife. Angered by three bothers who managed to cheat certain demise by crossing a river that would've killed them, Death pretends to congratulate the brothers and offers them gifts, [[JackassGenie with the full intent to have them result in the brothers' deaths]]. Succeeding in killing two of the brothers with the Elder Wand and Resurrection Stone, he only falls short in claiming the third due to his gift being the Invisibility Cloak, which would shield him from Death. When the time came, the third brother gave away his cloak and embraced Death as an old friend, allowing Death to claim the final brother, [[VillainRespect whom Death respects for using his gift responsibly]]. These three objects would become the Deathly Hallows, which would make the user "Master of Death", which many wizards falsely believed would make them immortal, when in reality it would have them accept that death is inevitable.
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* SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments: The ending of ''The Fountain of Fair Fortune''. Asha's cured of her horrible disease, and Altheda, having discovered the curse, will be able to make plenty of money off of it. Amata, finally able to see what a scumbag her ex was, is just glad to be rid of him. So, the three witches all tell Sir Luckless to use the fountain, which he does... and promptly asks Amata to marry him, and she accepts. The four walk away, arm-in-arm, to live HappilyEverAfter, never once suspecting that the fountain isn't really enchanted. Cheesy, sure, but in the best way.

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* SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments: The ending of ''The Fountain of Fair Fortune''. Asha's cured of her horrible disease, and Altheda, having discovered the curse, cure, will be able to make plenty of money off of it. Amata, finally able to see what a scumbag her ex was, is just glad to be rid of him. So, the three witches all tell Sir Luckless to use the fountain, which he does... and promptly asks Amata to marry him, and she accepts. The four walk away, arm-in-arm, to live HappilyEverAfter, never once suspecting that the fountain isn't really enchanted. Cheesy, sure, but in the best way.
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* SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments: The ending of ''The Fountain of Fair Fortune''. Asha's cured of her horrible disease, and Altheda, having discovered the curse, will be able to make plenty of money off of it. Amata, finally able to see what a scumbag her ex was, is just glad to be rid of him. So, the three witches all tell Sir Luckless to use the fountain, which he does... and promptly asks Amata to marry him, and she accepts. The four walk away, arm-in-arm, to live HappilyEverAfter, never once suspecting that the fountain isn't really enchanted. Cheesy, sure, but in the best way.
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* NightmareFuel: The Warlock's Hairy Heart, full stop.

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* NightmareFuel: The Warlock's Hairy Heart, full stop. It's even this to many children in-universe.
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** One can either take the story of the Deathly Hallows at face value in regards to the third brother, as he was able to live with his family without worrying about Death coming for him the way it did for his brothers until he decided to pass his Hallow onto his son. The other view is that the third brother was just as screwed as the others and that each Hallow comes with their own type of "curse" fitting the nature of their request. This curse theory stems from how while demanding invincibility and the power to raise the dead are both pretty hubristic, his own demand to hide from Death can be seen as very arrogant of him as well while the story merely presents this as being clever. So the youngest could have spent his entire life hiding away from the world, unable to meaningfully interact with other people including ''his own children'' for fear of Death finding him should he remove the cloak for too long. And as for what happened to him in the end? He "welcomed Death as a friend", which could be seen as him either [[FaceDeathWithDignity being satisfied with the life he lived and deciding his time on earth should come to an end]] or [[DrivenToSuicide growing sick of the hollow life he was living]] depending on the preferred view. This particular case could be helped by how while parts of it are "true" it could still have been changed over time to help give it a clearer moral for younger audiences, much like how we know Ron's mother changed the time of day it took place to make it "spookier" when she'd tell it to him.

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** One can either take the story of apply this with the Deathly Hallows at face value in regards to the third brother, as brother's fate. The first interpretation is taking the story of at face value, which indicated he was able to live with his family without worrying about Death coming for him the way it did for his brothers until he decided to pass his Hallow onto his son. The other view is that the third brother was just as screwed as the others and that each Hallow comes with their own type of "curse" fitting the nature of their request. This curse theory stems from how while demanding invincibility and the power to raise the dead are both pretty hubristic, his own demand to hide from Death can be seen as very arrogant of him as well while the story merely presents this as being clever. So the youngest could have spent his entire life hiding away from the world, unable to meaningfully interact with other people including ''his own children'' for fear of Death finding him should he remove the cloak for too long. And as for what happened to him in the end? He "welcomed Death as a friend", which could be seen as him either [[FaceDeathWithDignity being satisfied with the life he lived and deciding his time on earth should come to an end]] or [[DrivenToSuicide growing sick of the hollow life he was living]] depending on the preferred view. This particular case could be helped by how while parts of it are proven "true" it could still have been changed over time to help give it a clearer moral for younger audiences, much like how we know Ron's mother changed the time of day it the meeting with Death took place at to make it "spookier" when she'd tell it to him.
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** One can either take the story of the Deathly Hallows at face value in regards to the third brother, as he was able to live with his family without worrying about Death coming for him the way it did for his brothers until he decided to pass his Hallow onto his son. The other view is that the third brother was just as screwed as the others and that each Hallow comes with their own type of "curse" fitting the nature of their request. This curse theory stems from how while demanding invincibility and the power to raise the dead are both pretty hubristic, his own demand to hide from Death can be seen as very arrogant of him as well while the story merely presents this as being clever. So the youngest could have spent his entire life hiding away from the world, unable to meaningfully interact with other people including ''his own children'' for fear of Death finding him should he remove the cloak for too long. And as for what happened to him in the end? He "welcomed Death as a friend", which could be seen as him either [[FaceDeathWithDignity being satisfied with the life he lived and deciding him time on earth should come to an end]] or [[DrivenToSuicide growing sick of the hollow life he was living]] depending on the preferred view. This particular case could be helped by how while parts of it are "true" it could still have been changed over time to help give it a clearer moral for younger audiences, much like how we know Ron's mother changed the time of day it took place to make it "spookier" when she'd tell it to him.

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** One can either take the story of the Deathly Hallows at face value in regards to the third brother, as he was able to live with his family without worrying about Death coming for him the way it did for his brothers until he decided to pass his Hallow onto his son. The other view is that the third brother was just as screwed as the others and that each Hallow comes with their own type of "curse" fitting the nature of their request. This curse theory stems from how while demanding invincibility and the power to raise the dead are both pretty hubristic, his own demand to hide from Death can be seen as very arrogant of him as well while the story merely presents this as being clever. So the youngest could have spent his entire life hiding away from the world, unable to meaningfully interact with other people including ''his own children'' for fear of Death finding him should he remove the cloak for too long. And as for what happened to him in the end? He "welcomed Death as a friend", which could be seen as him either [[FaceDeathWithDignity being satisfied with the life he lived and deciding him his time on earth should come to an end]] or [[DrivenToSuicide growing sick of the hollow life he was living]] depending on the preferred view. This particular case could be helped by how while parts of it are "true" it could still have been changed over time to help give it a clearer moral for younger audiences, much like how we know Ron's mother changed the time of day it took place to make it "spookier" when she'd tell it to him.
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** One can either take the story of the Deathly Hallows at face value in regards to the third brother, as he was able to live with his family without worrying about Death coming for him the way it did for his brothers until he decided to pass his Hallow onto his son. The other view is that the third brother was just as screwed as the others and that each Hallow comes with their own type of "curse" fitting the nature of their request. This curse theory stems from how while demanding invincibility and the power to raise the dead are both pretty hubristic, his own demand to hide from Death can be seen as very arrogant of him as well while the story merely presents this as being clever. So the youngest could have spent his entire life hiding away from the world, unable to meaningfully interact with other people including ''his own children'' for fear of Death finding him should he remove the cloak for too long. And as for what happened to him in the end? He "welcomed Death as a friend", which could be seen as him either being satisfied with the life he lived and deciding him time on earth should come to an end or growing sick of the hallow life he was living depending on the preferred view. This particular case could be helped by how while parts of it are "true" it could still have been changed over time to help give it a clearer moral for younger audiences, much like how we know Ron's mother changed the time of day it took place to make it "spookier" when she'd tell it to him.

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** One can either take the story of the Deathly Hallows at face value in regards to the third brother, as he was able to live with his family without worrying about Death coming for him the way it did for his brothers until he decided to pass his Hallow onto his son. The other view is that the third brother was just as screwed as the others and that each Hallow comes with their own type of "curse" fitting the nature of their request. This curse theory stems from how while demanding invincibility and the power to raise the dead are both pretty hubristic, his own demand to hide from Death can be seen as very arrogant of him as well while the story merely presents this as being clever. So the youngest could have spent his entire life hiding away from the world, unable to meaningfully interact with other people including ''his own children'' for fear of Death finding him should he remove the cloak for too long. And as for what happened to him in the end? He "welcomed Death as a friend", which could be seen as him either [[FaceDeathWithDignity being satisfied with the life he lived and deciding him time on earth should come to an end end]] or [[DrivenToSuicide growing sick of the hallow hollow life he was living living]] depending on the preferred view. This particular case could be helped by how while parts of it are "true" it could still have been changed over time to help give it a clearer moral for younger audiences, much like how we know Ron's mother changed the time of day it took place to make it "spookier" when she'd tell it to him.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: The third brother was just as screwed as the others. Demanding invincibility and the power to raise the dead are both pretty hubristic, but so is the demand to hide from Death. Brother Number Three spent his entire life hiding away from the world, unable to meaningfully interact with other people, unable to truly live. And what happened to him in the end? He welcomed Death as a friend, committing suicide just like the second brother, because his hollow life had become unbearable. The Cloak is just as much a curse as the other Hallows.
** If he never got to meaningfully interact with anyone, [[FridgeLogic then how did he have a son?]]
*** He may have already had a son before he got the cloak. The story does say he hid from Death for the rest of his life, after all.
** Unlikely given the literary theme. The middle brother is written in the cautionary, somber tone you would expect of a story of someone DrivenToSuicide. The younger brother, by contrast, is praised and respected.
*** Meh. Call it ValuesDissonance if you must. Just because it's written in one tone doesn't stop it from looking a hell of a lot like something else.
** He did not commit suicide, he died of old age, but content and fulfilled in his life, hence why he welcomed Death as an equal, not something he was running from anymore.
*** He was immortal as long as Death couldn't find him; taking off the Cloak was basically inviting Death to come and claim him. Suicide by old age is unusual, certainly, but in this story it's no different from taking yourself off life support.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Given the vague way fairy tales are often told this can crop up.
** One can either take the story of the Deathly Hallows at face value in regards to the third brother, as he was able to live with his family without worrying about Death coming for him the way it did for his brothers until he decided to pass his Hallow onto his son.
The other view is that the third brother was just as screwed as the others. Demanding others and that each Hallow comes with their own type of "curse" fitting the nature of their request. This curse theory stems from how while demanding invincibility and the power to raise the dead are both pretty hubristic, but so is the his own demand to hide from Death. Brother Number Three Death can be seen as very arrogant of him as well while the story merely presents this as being clever. So the youngest could have spent his entire life hiding away from the world, unable to meaningfully interact with other people, unable to truly live. people including ''his own children'' for fear of Death finding him should he remove the cloak for too long. And as for what happened to him in the end? He welcomed "welcomed Death as a friend, committing suicide just like friend", which could be seen as him either being satisfied with the second brother, because his hollow life had become unbearable. The Cloak is just as much a curse as he lived and deciding him time on earth should come to an end or growing sick of the other Hallows.
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hallow life he never got to meaningfully interact with anyone, [[FridgeLogic then was living depending on the preferred view. This particular case could be helped by how did he while parts of it are "true" it could still have been changed over time to help give it a son?]]
*** He may have already had a son before he got the cloak. The story does say he hid from Death
clearer moral for the rest of his life, after all.
** Unlikely given the literary theme. The middle brother is written in the cautionary, somber tone you would expect of a story of someone DrivenToSuicide. The
younger brother, by contrast, is praised and respected.
*** Meh. Call it ValuesDissonance if you must. Just because it's written in one tone doesn't stop it from looking a hell of a lot
audiences, much like something else.
** He did not commit suicide, he died of old age, but content and fulfilled in his life, hence why he welcomed Death as an equal, not something he was running from anymore.
*** He was immortal as long as Death couldn't find him; taking off
how we know Ron's mother changed the Cloak was basically inviting Death time of day it took place to come and claim him. Suicide by old age is unusual, certainly, but in this story it's no different from taking yourself off life support.make it "spookier" when she'd tell it to him.
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** It's possible to read another interpretation into "The Warlock's Hairy Heart"; that the heart, during its long period of severance had become sentient and it motivating him to tear the maiden's out to replace it (whilst not allowing him to use magic) was an act of revenge.
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* NightmareFuel: The Warlock's Hairy Heart, full stop.
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* FreudWasRight: Dumbledore notes that all the claimant owners of the super-powerful Elder Wand have been men, adding "make of that what you will."
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*** He was immortal as long as Death couldn't find him; taking off the Cloak was basically inviting Death to come and claim him. Suicide by old age is unusual, certainly, but in this story it's no different from taking yourself off life support.
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** He did not commit suicide, he died of old age, but content and fulfilled in his life, hence why he welcomed Death as an equal, not something he was running from anymore.

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*** He may have already had a son before he got the cloak.

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*** He may have already had a son before he got the cloak. The story does say he hid from Death for the rest of his life, after all.


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*** Meh. Call it ValuesDissonance if you must. Just because it's written in one tone doesn't stop it from looking a hell of a lot like something else.
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** Then again, she ''is'' threatening to use it on a muggle king who persecutes magic-users, so there's at least some possible justification.

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** Then again, she ''is'' threatening to use it on a muggle king who persecutes magic-users, magic-users (and had just two minutes ago tried to kill her with an axe), [[AssholeVictim so there's at least some possible justification.justification]].

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** He may have already had a son before he got the cloak.

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** *** He may have already had a son before he got the cloak.cloak.
** Unlikely given the literary theme. The middle brother is written in the cautionary, somber tone you would expect of a story of someone DrivenToSuicide. The younger brother, by contrast, is praised and respected.
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** Then again, she ''is'' threatening to use it on a muggle king who persecutes magic-users, so there's at least some possible justification.
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** If he never got to know anyone, [[FridgeLogic then how did he have a son?]]

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** If he never got to know meaningfully interact with anyone, [[FridgeLogic then how did he have a son?]]
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** If he never got to know anyone, [[FridgeLogic then how did he have a son?]]
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* {{Anvilicious}}: Out-of-universe, Dumbledore's notes continue his proud tradition of laying out every single nuance of the story previous in exacting detail.
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*AlternateCharacterInterpretation: The third brother was just as screwed as the others. Demanding invincibility and the power to raise the dead are both pretty hubristic, but so is the demand to hide from Death. Brother Number Three spent his entire life hiding away from the world, unable to meaningfully interact with other people, unable to truly live. And what happened to him in the end? He welcomed Death as a friend, committing suicide just like the second brother, because his hollow life had become unbearable. The Cloak is just as much a curse as the other Hallows.
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* ValuesDissonance: In the context of Potterverse; Babbitty Rabbitty feels no compunction about threatening to use a curse later declared Unforgiveable and outlawed.

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* ValuesDissonance: In the context of Potterverse; Babbitty Rabbitty feels no compunction about threatening to use a curse later declared Unforgiveable and outlawed.outlawed.
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* ValuesDissonance: In the context of Potterverse; Babbitty Rabbitty feels no compunction about using Unforgivable Curses.

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* ValuesDissonance: In the context of Potterverse; Babbitty Rabbitty feels no compunction about using Unforgivable Curses.threatening to use a curse later declared Unforgiveable and outlawed.

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* FreudWasRight: Dumbledore notes that all the claimant owners of the super-powerful Elder Wand have been men, adding "make of that what you will."

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* FreudWasRight: Dumbledore notes that all the claimant owners of the super-powerful Elder Wand have been men, adding "make of that what you will." "
* ValuesDissonance: In the context of Potterverse; Babbitty Rabbitty feels no compunction about using Unforgivable Curses.
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* FreudWasRight: Dumbledore notes that all the claimant owners of the super-powerful Elder Wand have been men, adding "make of that what you will."

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