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* CompleteMonster (2019 miniseries): [[KnightTemplar Bernard Gui]] is [[AdaptationalVillainy far more vicious than his literary counterpart]]. A smug, ruthless, [[HeManWomanHater misogynistic]] fanatic, Gui is a notorious inquisitor, known for burning heretics at the stake. Having been involved in putting down the Dulcinian uprising years previously, Gui violated the law by personally igniting co-leader Marghererita's pyre. Dispatched by Pope John XXII to be his representative at the theological debate held at the Benedictine monastery. En route upon encountering two suspected Dulcinians, a man and woman, he has the man's throat slit, then drags the woman naked to Pietranera. Suspecting heretics amongst the town's population, Gui ordered his solders to "kill them all, God will recognize his own", massacring everyone, [[WouldHurtAChild including the children]], climaxing with him burning the woman upon the stake. At the monastery and tasked to investigate the murders, Gui fixed his attention on Remigio of Varagine, having his men torture him into confessing to be a former Dulcinian. Upon discovering an Occitan war refugee, Gui accused the poor girl of being a witch and [[BurthTheWitch ordered her to be burned]], despite knowing she was innocent.
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* LawfulGood: Although he is seen as a rogue by most monks, Brother William of Baskerville is clearly this, observing his religious duties and also making a strong case for Good that sets him apart from LawfulEvil Bernard Gui and [[spoiler:Jorge of Burgos]].
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A friar is not the same as a Catholic monk. A friar is a member of a mendicant order, while a monk is a member of a monastic order, and the Franciscan order is a mendicant one.
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* LawfulGood: Although he is seen as a rogue by most other monks, Brother William of Baskerville is clearly this, observing his religious duties and also making a strong case for Good that sets him apart from LawfulEvil Bernard Gui and [[spoiler:Jorge of Burgos]].
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* MagnificentBastard: Jorge De Burgos is a blind, elder monk wholly convinced that mankind's salvation lies in complete obedience to God. Abhorring the ancient literature contained in the labyrinth beneath the abbey for what he perceives as its blasphemous humor, Jorge uses a book with a poisoned page to kill several monks who had knowledge of the secret library, which prompts the Abbey to call for the Jesuit William of Baskerville to investigate the mysterious deaths. When William eventually discovers the library, Jorge tries to trick William into touching the poisoned book, and when this fails, eats the poisoned pages himself and sets fire to the library, ensuring Christendom's supremacy for centuries to come.
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* MagnificentBastard: Jorge [[spoiler:Jorge De Burgos is a blind, elder monk wholly convinced that mankind's salvation lies in complete obedience to God. Abhorring the ancient literature contained in the labyrinth beneath the abbey for what he perceives as its blasphemous humor, Jorge uses a book with a poisoned page to kill several monks who had knowledge of the secret library, which prompts the Abbey to call for the Jesuit William of Baskerville to investigate the mysterious deaths. When William eventually discovers the library, Jorge tries to trick William into touching the poisoned book, and when this fails, eats the poisoned pages himself and sets fire to the library, ensuring Christendom's supremacy for centuries to come.]]
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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: The film failed at the U.S. box-office, grossing only $7.2 million. However, in Europe, it did exceptionally well, contributing to its overall worldwide gross of over $77 million.
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* LawfulGood: Although he is seen as a rogue by most other monks, Brother William of Baskerville is clearly this, observing his religious duties and also making a strong case for Good that sets him apart from LawfulEvil Bernard Gui and [[spoiler:Jorge of Burgos]].
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* HilariousInHindsight: William uses "Merlin's beard!" long before ''Literature/HarryPotter''.
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* PuritySue: The eccentric Ubertino da Casale.
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* ItGetsBetter: The first hundred pages of the book go at a mindbogglingly easygoing and unhurried pace (at least compared to other murder mystery novels), with ''lots'' of [[FlavorText obscure references and other diversions unconnected to any part of the whodunnit itself]]. Umberto Eco wrote a WordOfGod postscript in part to clarify that the hard-to-get-into beginning was a deliberate choice.
-->'''Eco:''' Those first hundred pages are like a penance or initiation, and if someone does not like them, so much the worse for him. [[TakeThatAudience He can stay at the foot of the mountain.]]
* ItGetsBetter: The first hundred pages of the book go at a mindbogglingly easygoing and unhurried pace (at least compared to other murder mystery novels), with ''lots'' of [[FlavorText obscure references and other diversions unconnected to any part of the whodunnit itself]]. Umberto Eco wrote a WordOfGod postscript in part to clarify that the hard-to-get-into beginning was a deliberate choice.
-->'''Eco:''' Those first hundred pages are like a penance or initiation, and if someone does not like them, so much the worse for him. [[TakeThatAudience He can stay at the foot of the mountain.]]
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: Adsons Adso's vision, although it delivers a hint.
* ItGetsBetter: The first hundred pages of the book go at a mindbogglingly easygoing and unhurried pace (at least compared to other murder mystery novels), with ''lots'' of [[FlavorText obscure references and other diversions unconnected to any part of the whodunnit itself]]. Umberto Eco wrote a WordOfGod postscript in part to clarify that the hard-to-get-into beginning was a deliberate choice.
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* ItGetsBetter: The first hundred pages of the book go at a mindbogglingly easygoing and unhurried pace (at least compared to other murder mystery novels), with ''lots'' of [[FlavorText obscure references and other diversions unconnected to any part of the whodunnit itself]]. Umberto Eco wrote a WordOfGod postscript in part to clarify that the hard-to-get-into beginning was a deliberate choice.
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* SlowPacedBeginning: The first hundred pages of the book go at a mindbogglingly easygoing and unhurried pace (at least compared to other murder mystery novels), with ''lots'' of [[FlavorText obscure references and other diversions unconnected to any part of the whodunnit itself]]. Umberto Eco wrote a WordOfGod postscript in part to clarify that the hard-to-get-into beginning was a deliberate choice, in which he gave a TakeThatAudience.
-->'''Eco:''' Those first hundred pages are like a penance or initiation, and if someone does not like them, so much the worse for him. He can stay at the foot of the mountain.
-->'''Eco:''' Those first hundred pages are like a penance or initiation, and if someone does not like them, so much the worse for him. He can stay at the foot of the mountain.
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-->'''Eco:''' Those first hundred pages are like a penance or initiation, and if someone does not like them, so much the worse for him. [[TakeThatAudience He can stay at the foot of the mountain.]]
-->'''Eco:''' Those first hundred pages are like a penance or initiation, and if someone does not like them, so much the worse for him. [[TakeThatAudience He can stay at the foot of the mountain.]]
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* TheWoobie: The unnamed peasant girl. A poor, nameless wretch who is sexually exploited by Salvatore and Remigio in exchange for scraps, before being arrested as a witch to face torture and execution, despite, as Adso says, being the only true innocent in the whole affair.
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* TheWoobie: The unnamed peasant girl. A poor, nameless wretch who is sexually exploited by Salvatore and Remigio in exchange for scraps, before being [[spoiler: arrested as a witch to face torture and execution, execution]], despite, as Adso says, being the only true innocent in the whole affair.
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* MagnificentBastard: [[spoiler: Jorge, serial killer and KnightTemplar extraordinaire: a extraordinaire-a blind old man who manages to kill a lot of people with poison, traps and a careful use of murderous books]]
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Please present all Complete Monster candidates in this thread.
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* CompleteMonster: Bernardo Gui. Between a vicious KnightTemplar attitude and more ColdBloodedTorture than you can shake a stick at, [[spoiler:he earns that (albeit cheesy) ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice death in the film.]]
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This isn\'t YMMV. Moving.
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* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: Despite the above, he was much less melodramatic in RealLife.
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* MagnificentBastard: [[spoiler: Jorge, serial killer and KnightTemplar extraordinaire: a blind old man who manages to kill a lot of people with poison, traps and a careful use of murderous mooks]]
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* CompleteMonster: Bernardo Gui, and how. Between a vicious KnightTemplar attitude and more ColdBloodedTorture than you can shake a stick at, [[spoiler:he earns that (albeit cheesy) ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice death in the film.]]
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* CompleteMonster: Bernardo Gui, and how.Gui. Between a vicious KnightTemplar attitude and more ColdBloodedTorture than you can shake a stick at, [[spoiler:he earns that (albeit cheesy) ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice death in the film.]]
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* CompleteMonster: Bernardo Gui, and how. Between a vicious KnightTemplar attitude, and a complete and total refusal to see anyone's views but his own, and more ColdBloodedTorture than you can shake a stick at. [[spoiler:he earns that (albeit cheesy) ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice death in the film.]]
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* CompleteMonster: Bernardo Gui, and how. Between a vicious KnightTemplar attitude, and a complete and total refusal to see anyone's views but his own, attitude and more ColdBloodedTorture than you can shake a stick at. at, [[spoiler:he earns that (albeit cheesy) ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice death in the film.]]
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* CompleteMonster: Bernardo Gui, and how. Between a vicious KnightTemplar attitude, and a complete and total refusal to see anyone's views but his own, and more ColdBloodedTorture than you can shake a stick at. [[spoiler:he earns that (albeit cheesy) ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice death in the film.]]
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* ChaoticNeutral: Salvatore fits this alignment perfectly.
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* LawfulEvil: [[spoiler: Jorge and Bernardo]]