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** To elaborate, the game developers made a haphazard retcon when making Cyrodiil into an European temperate grassfield as seen in Oblivion instead of the rainforest as was depicted it should have been atleast at that point of time, which the game developers handwaved it by essentially calling Pocket Guide to the Empire, the key source of information on Tamriel, false... even though there are numerous books and even firsthand accounts by NPCs that say otherwise.

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** To elaborate, the game developers made a haphazard retcon when making Cyrodiil into an European temperate grassfield as seen in Oblivion instead of the rainforest as was depicted it should have been atleast at that point of time, which the game developers handwaved it by essentially calling Pocket Guide to the Empire, the key source of information on Tamriel, false... even though there are numerous books and even firsthand accounts by NPCs [=NPCs=] that say otherwise.
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** It's too early to tell for sure, but the fanbase seems divided between those that think that an ''Elder Scrolls'' MMO would be amazing and those that think it's against the entire point of the franchise that previously consisted of single-player games. With a third side that has nothing against an ''Elder Scrolls'' MMO ''per se'', but think a lot of what has been revealed about this one so far is worrisome.

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** It's too early to tell for sure, but the fanbase seems divided between those that think that an ''Elder Scrolls'' MMO would be amazing and those that think it's against the entire point of the franchise that previously consisted of single-player games. With a third side that has nothing against an ''Elder Scrolls'' MMO ''per se'', but think a lot of what has been revealed about this one so far is worrisome. And a fourth side that is more worried that, based on [[VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft historical]] [[VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic precedent]], the single-player series will end up being neglected.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: The Ebonheart Pact is becoming very popular with fans due to the faction being consisted well liked races (The Nords, Argonians and Dunmer). Plus it has a kickass Dragon insignia.
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* FanNickname: Those who support the game are known as "Scrollocaust Deniers" amongst the [[Hatedom]]

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* FanNickname: Those who support the game are known as "Scrollocaust Deniers" amongst the [[Hatedom]]{{Hatedom}}
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* FanNickname: Those who support the game are known as "Scrollocaust Deniers" amongst the [[Hatedom]]
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Bethesda/Zenimax confusion. It doesn\'t happen that both Zenimax\'s publishing apparatus and one of its flagship studios have the same name.


* {{Misblamed}}: One of the most common complaints about the game is the idea that Bethesda won't have any time or energy to make a new single-player ''Elder Scrolls'' game if they're busy with an MMO. That might have some validity...if the game wasn't being developed by Zenimax, ''not'' Bethesda.

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* {{Misblamed}}: One of the most common complaints about the game is the idea that Bethesda won't have any time or energy to make a new single-player ''Elder Scrolls'' game if they're busy with an MMO. That might have some validity...if the game wasn't being developed by Zenimax, ''not'' Bethesda.Zenimax Online, Bethesda Game Studio's sister studio under the Zenimax label.
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** One could justify these retcons when taken into consideration the backstory given. A massive magical explosion has occured that sent shockwaves across Tamriel, the constellation of the Serpent now dominates the entire sky and Molag Bal's is attempting to merge both Nirn and Oblivion. Presumably, much like the activation of Numidium in ''Daggerfall'', this has caused reality to be altered on some fundamental level?
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** One could justify these retcons when taken into consideration the backstory given. A massive magical explosion has occured that sent shockwaves across Tamriel, the constellation of the Serpent now dominates the entire sky and Molag Bal's is attempting to merge both Nirn and Oblivion. Presumably, much like the activation of Numidium in ''Daggerfall'', this has caused reality to be altered on some fundamental level?
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** The artstyle of the game is also not getting any songs of praises from a lot of the fans either, due to replacing the relatively realistic artstyle of the main series with a much more exaggerated style of traditional mainstream fantasy games. Slightly justified for being a MMO and not being able to process detailed graphics, but on the other hand other MMOs have opted for semi-realism and worked out fine.
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* {{Retcon}}: The major reason why many of the lore-minded fans have a extremely low opinion on the game is this. Including the "transcription error" mentioned above, the game also changes many established elements of the main series from both the visual and the story aspect in order to fit with this game and it's vision, which many people find unambitious and uncreative.

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* {{Retcon}}: The major reason why many of the lore-minded fans have a extremely low opinion on the game is this. Including the "transcription error" mentioned above, the game also changes many established elements of the main series from both the visual and the story aspect in order to fit with this game and it's vision, which many people they find unambitious and uncreative.
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* {{Retcon}}: The major reason why many of the lore-minded fans have a extremely low opinion on the game is this. Including the "transcription error" mentioned above, the game also changes many established elements of the main series from both the visual and the story aspect in order to fit with this game and it's vision, which many people find unambitious and uncreative or just plain boring.

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* {{Retcon}}: The major reason why many of the lore-minded fans have a extremely low opinion on the game is this. Including the "transcription error" mentioned above, the game also changes many established elements of the main series from both the visual and the story aspect in order to fit with this game and it's vision, which many people find unambitious and uncreative or just plain boring.uncreative.
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** To elaborate, the game developers made a haphazard retcon when making Cyrodiil into an European temperate grassfield as seen in Oblivion instead of the rainforest as was depicted it should have been atleast at that point of time, which the game developers handwaved it by essentially calling all previous information false... even though there are numerous books and even firsthand accounts by NPCs that say otherwise.

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** To elaborate, the game developers made a haphazard retcon when making Cyrodiil into an European temperate grassfield as seen in Oblivion instead of the rainforest as was depicted it should have been atleast at that point of time, which the game developers handwaved it by essentially calling all previous Pocket Guide to the Empire, the key source of information on Tamriel, false... even though there are numerous books and even firsthand accounts by NPCs that say otherwise.
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** To elaborate, the game developers made a haphazard retcon when making Cyrodiil into an European temperate grassfield as seen in Oblivion instead of the rainforest as was depicted it should have been atleast at that point of time, which the game developers handwaved it by essentially calling all previous information false... even though there are numerous books and even firsthand accounts by NPC that say otherwise.

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** To elaborate, the game developers made a haphazard retcon when making Cyrodiil into an European temperate grassfield as seen in Oblivion instead of the rainforest as was depicted it should have been atleast at that point of time, which the game developers handwaved it by essentially calling all previous information false... even though there are numerous books and even firsthand accounts by NPC NPCs that say otherwise.
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* MemeticMutation: "Transcription Error" has slowly become a popular one.
** To elaborate, the game developers made a haphazard retcon when making Cyrodiil into an European temperate grassfield as seen in Oblivion instead of the rainforest as was depicted it should have been atleast at that point of time, which the game developers handwaved it by essentially calling all previous information false... even though there are numerous books and even firsthand accounts by NPC that say otherwise.


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* {{Retcon}}: The major reason why many of the lore-minded fans have a extremely low opinion on the game is this. Including the "transcription error" mentioned above, the game also changes many established elements of the main series from both the visual and the story aspect in order to fit with this game and it's vision, which many people find unambitious and uncreative or just plain boring.
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** {{Misblamed}}: One of the most common complaints about the game is the idea that Bethesda won't have any time or energy to make a new single-player ''Elder Scrolls'' game if they're busy with an MMO. That might have some validity...if the game wasn't being developed by Zenimax, ''not'' Bethesda.

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** * {{Misblamed}}: One of the most common complaints about the game is the idea that Bethesda won't have any time or energy to make a new single-player ''Elder Scrolls'' game if they're busy with an MMO. That might have some validity...if the game wasn't being developed by Zenimax, ''not'' Bethesda.
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** {{Misblamed}}: One of the most common complaints about the game is the idea that Bethesda won't have any time or energy to make a new single-player ''Elder Scrolls'' game if they're busy with an MMO. That might have some validity...if the game wasn't being developed by Zenimax, ''not'' Bethesda.
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* TheScrappy: Already, Queen Ayrenn gets a ton of ire from the more lore-minded fans. Specifically, Ayrenn is written highly out-of-character for a Altmer noble ([[MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch for one thing, having humility and being benevolent to all races, not just Altmer]]), to the point where it's almost unrealistic within the Elder Scrolls universe (in that, how can a human sympathizer get even near to the position she holds without seemingly any opposition?). She is also mocked for looking nothing like an Altmer and wearing armour [[{{Stripperiffic}} with ridiculously low neckline]] (Though these are more due to artstyle than anything).
* TaintedByPreview: Some fans get increasingly excited for new info and news about the game, whereas other fans get increasingly more disappointed.

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* TheScrappy: Already, Queen Ayrenn gets a ton of ire from the more lore-minded fans. Specifically, Ayrenn is written highly out-of-character for a Altmer noble ([[MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch for one thing, having humility and being benevolent to all races, not just Altmer]]), to the point where it's almost unrealistic within the Elder Scrolls universe (in that, how can a human sympathizer get even near to the position she holds without seemingly any opposition?).opposition within a highly anti-human/mortal life society and government?). She is also mocked for looking nothing like an Altmer and wearing armour [[{{Stripperiffic}} with ridiculously low neckline]] (Though these are more due to artstyle than anything).
* TaintedByPreview: TaintedByThePreview: Some fans get increasingly excited for new info and news about the game, whereas other fans get increasingly more disappointed.
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* TheScrappy: Queen Ayrenn gets a ton of ire from the more lore-minded fans. Specifically, Ayrenn is written highly out-of-character for a Altmer noble ([[for one thing, having humility and being benevolent to all races, not just Altmer MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch]]), to the point where it's almost unrealistic within the Elder Scrolls universe (in that, how can a human sympathizer get even near to the position she holds without seemingly any opposition?). She is also mocked for looking nothing like an Altmer and wearing armour [[{{Stripperiffic}} with ridiculously low neckline]] (Though these are more due to artstyle than anything).

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* TheScrappy: Already, Queen Ayrenn gets a ton of ire from the more lore-minded fans. Specifically, Ayrenn is written highly out-of-character for a Altmer noble ([[for ([[MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch for one thing, having humility and being benevolent to all races, not just Altmer MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch]]), Altmer]]), to the point where it's almost unrealistic within the Elder Scrolls universe (in that, how can a human sympathizer get even near to the position she holds without seemingly any opposition?). She is also mocked for looking nothing like an Altmer and wearing armour [[{{Stripperiffic}} with ridiculously low neckline]] (Though these are more due to artstyle than anything).
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* TheScrappy: Queen Ayrenn gets a ton of ire from the more lore-minded fans. Specifically, Ayrenn is written highly out-of-character for a Altmer noble ([[for one thing, having humility and being benevolent to all races, not just Altmer MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch]]), to the point where it's almost unrealistic within the Elder Scrolls universe (in that, how can a human sympathizer get even near to the position she holds without seemingly any opposition?). She is also mocked for looking nothing like an Altmer and wearing armour [[{{Stripperiffic}} with ridiculously low neckline]] (Though these are more due to artstyle than anything).
* TaintedByPreview: Some fans get increasingly excited for new info and news about the game, whereas other fans get increasingly more disappointed.

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* BrokenBase: It's too early to tell for sure, but the fanbase seems divided between those that think that an ''Elder Scrolls'' MMO would be amazing and those that think it's against the entire point of the franchise that previously consisted of single-player games.
** With a third side that has nothing against an ''Elder Scrolls'' MMO ''per se'', but think a lot of what has been revealed about this one so far is worrisome.

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games. With a third side that has nothing against an ''Elder Scrolls'' MMO ''per se'', but think a lot of what has been revealed about this one so far is worrisome.



* FridgeHorror: In the course of five games, Molag Bal, the Daedric Prince of Domination, has shown himself to be quite possibly the most evil ''thing'' in the franchise. And do you want to know something else? ''He's only ever appeared in sidequests!'' That right, folks, he's been a distraction before, but with ''Online'', the King of Rape now has his undivided malevolence set upon ''you''. If you thought the atrocities he has committed as a footnote were bad, just how bad do you think he'll be when you have his ''full attention''?

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Ruined Forever is now Darth Wiki and not to be wicked in that way.


* RuinedForever: Many were saying this upon the first announcement of the game.
** It doesn't help that the plot ''strongly'' resembles that of ''{{Oblivion}}'', which was already accused by fans of ruining the entire ''ElderScrolls'' series.
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** DarkAgeOfCamelot fans, on the other hand, are exploding with anticipation.

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** DarkAgeOfCamelot VideoGame/DarkAgeOfCamelot fans, on the other hand, are exploding with anticipation.

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** It doesn't help that the plot ''strongly'' resembles that of ''{{Oblivion}}'', which was already accused by fans of ruining the entire ElderScrolls series.

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** It doesn't help that the plot ''strongly'' resembles that of ''{{Oblivion}}'', which was already accused by fans of ruining the entire ElderScrolls series.''ElderScrolls'' series.
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* BrokenBase: It's too early to tell for sure, but the fanbase seems divided between those that think that an Elder Scrolls MMO would be amazing and those that think it's against the entire point of the franchise.
** With a third side that has nothing against an Elder Scrolls MMO ''per se'', but think a lot of what has been revealed about this one so far is worrisome.

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* BrokenBase: It's too early to tell for sure, but the fanbase seems divided between those that think that an Elder Scrolls ''Elder Scrolls'' MMO would be amazing and those that think it's against the entire point of the franchise.
franchise that previously consisted of single-player games.
** With a third side that has nothing against an Elder Scrolls ''Elder Scrolls'' MMO ''per se'', but think a lot of what has been revealed about this one so far is worrisome.
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* FridgeHorror: In the course of five games, Molag Bal, the Daedric Prince of Domination, has shown himself to be quite possibly the most evil ''thing'' in the franchise. And do you want to know something else? ''He's only ever appeared in sidequests!'' That right, folks, he's been a distraction before, but with ''Online'', the King of Rape now has his undivided malevolence set upon ''you''. If you thought the atrocities he has committed as a footnote were bad, just how bad do you think he'll be when you have his ''full attention''?
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** DarkAgeOfCamelot fans, on the other hand, are exploding with anticipation.
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** With a third side that has nothing against an Elder Scrolls MMO ''per se'', but think a lot of what has been revealed about this one so far is worrisome.
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* RuinedForever: Many were saying this upon the first announcement of the game.

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* RuinedForever: Many were saying this upon the first announcement of the game.game.
** It doesn't help that the plot ''strongly'' resembles that of ''{{Oblivion}}'', which was already accused by fans of ruining the entire ElderScrolls series.
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* BrokenBase: It's too early to tell for sure, but the fanbase seems divided between those that think that an Elder Scrolls MMO would be amazing and those that think it's against the entire point of the franchise.
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* RuinedForever: Many were saying this upon the first announcement of the game.

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