History YMMV / TheElderScrollsOnline

13th Jun '18 7:04:19 PM SomeNewGuy
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** Elden Hollow 2's plot is straight out of a CosmicHorrorStory. [[spoiler:As a result of the ArcVillain of Elden Hollow 1's actions, Daedra have overrun the dungeon, but unlike most of the Daedra you encounter, these Daedra are completely shrouded in mystery, bearing no allegiance to any of the Princes. Throughout the dungeon, shadowy tendrils and walls block your way, and the Daedra love to ambush you from these shadows. The shadowy power is so perverse it actually corrupts the native plantlife and turns them into abominations! And at the end of it all, you enter Oblivion itself to confront the leader of the Daedra and the "Prince" Elden Hollow 1's villain spoke of: a massive Daedric Titan wreathed in shadowy flames. And even when you defeat him, its not the end. His spirit manages to possess the dungeon's quest giver, and if you agree to spare his life so his sister can try to cure him, the Titan then speaks to you ''through the questgiver'', mocking you for your mercy and claiming its only a matter of time before he completely consumes the quest giver and makes him his new body, and promises that once he does, ''you will be the first person he hunts''.]]
11th Jun '18 10:15:12 PM Dawnwing
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** After ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsvSkyrim Skyrim]]'' pretty much made the government of the Altmers full of [[{{Jerkass}} snobs who look down upon non-Altmers and even non-Thalmor Altmers]], the base game’s version of the Aldmeri Dominion shows Altmers who, while still snobs and arrogant, value other races, have sympathetic qualities, merely want to rule and guide Tamriel, and even will stop some of their kind who are racist from causing harm to others. They even made the Summerset Isles the main location for the second chapter as a bonus.

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** After ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsvSkyrim Skyrim]]'' pretty much made the government of the Altmers Altmer full of [[{{Jerkass}} snobs who look down upon non-Altmers other races and even non-Thalmor Altmers]], Altmer]], the base game’s version of the Aldmeri Dominion shows Altmers Altmer who, while still snobs and arrogant, value other races, have sympathetic qualities, merely want to rule and guide Tamriel, and even will stop some of their kind who are racist from causing harm to others. They even made the Summerset Isles the main location for the second chapter as a bonus.



*** Dwemer Crown Crates. Not only was this third season of the crates [[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Zt5oj7PWNFFaTykgXhWQOOkVl1ekHAJgcJpueRN3C40/edit#gid=165213761 heavily weighted]] toward Bal Foyen Nix-Hounds in particular, but it also included 4 ''extra-rare'' Apex rewards that can't be bought with gems - meaning that unlike normal Apex rewards, you can't just keep buying crates until you save up enough gems to get what you want; you ''have'' to be lucky enough to get it from the crate. Needless to say, many players were unhappy about this.

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*** Dwemer Crown Crates. Not only was this third season of the crates [[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Zt5oj7PWNFFaTykgXhWQOOkVl1ekHAJgcJpueRN3C40/edit#gid=165213761 heavily weighted]] toward Bal Foyen Nix-Hounds in particular, but it also included introduced the concept of 4 ''extra-rare'' Apex rewards that can't be bought with gems - meaning that unlike normal Apex rewards, you can't just keep buying crates until you save up enough gems to get what you want; you ''have'' to be lucky enough to get it from the crate. Needless to say, many players were unhappy about this.



* {{Misblamed}}: One of the most common complaints about the game is the idea that Bethesda won't have any time or energy to make a new single-player ''Elder Scrolls'' game if they're busy with an MMO. That might have some validity... if the game wasn't being developed by Zenimax Online, Bethesda Game Studio's sister studio under the Zenimax LLC group. It's possible gamers were thinking of the Warcraft RTS series which did get put on hold for World of Warcraft. Zenimax LLC deciding to set up a separate company to develop an online Elder Scrolls game was likely done to keep such a situation from happening. Bethesda Game Studios having no experience with [=MMOs=] was probably another factor.
** Zenimax and Bethesda were also blamed for changing Alinor, in the ''Summerset Isles'' expansion to a generic MedievalEuropeanFantasy-like city when the in-game lore described it as being made out of glass and insect wings. Turns out? This isn't the first time Alinor appeared in Elder Scrolls and its portrayal is actually rather accurate to to [[http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Alinor_(Arena) how it appeared]] in ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsArena''.

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One of the most common complaints about the game is the idea that Bethesda won't have any time or energy to make a new single-player ''Elder Scrolls'' game if they're busy with an MMO. That might have some validity... if the game wasn't being developed by Zenimax Online, Bethesda Game Studio's sister studio under the Zenimax LLC group. It's possible gamers were thinking of the Warcraft RTS series which did get put on hold for World of Warcraft. Zenimax LLC deciding to set up a separate company to develop an online Elder Scrolls game was likely done to keep such a situation from happening. Bethesda Game Studios having no experience with [=MMOs=] was probably another factor.
** Zenimax and Bethesda were also blamed for changing Alinor, in the ''Summerset Isles'' expansion to a generic MedievalEuropeanFantasy-like city when the in-game lore described it as being made out of glass and insect wings. Turns out? This isn't the first time Alinor appeared in Elder Scrolls and its portrayal is actually rather accurate to to [[http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Alinor_(Arena) how it appeared]] in ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsArena''. Also, even the [[http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Pocket_Guide_to_the_Empire,_1st_Edition/Aldmeri_Dominion book]] that included the "insect wings" description pointed out that that summary came from humans who weren't even allowed into the city, and the very next sentence dismisses it as "fantastical" and contains another, more realistic description that includes a mention of the sun shining on stone towers.
11th Jun '18 2:22:40 PM Nicoaln
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** Zenimax and Bethesda were also blamed for changing Alinor, in the ''Summerset Isles'' expansion to a generic MedievalEuropeanFantasy-like city when the in-game lore described it as being made out of glass and insect wings. Turns out? This isn't the first time Alinor appeared in Elder Scrolls and its portrayal is actually rather accurate to to [[http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Alinor_(Arena) how it appeared]] in ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsArena''.
8th Jun '18 8:40:47 PM RomanBowler
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** After ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsvSkyrim Skyrim]]'' pretty much made the government of the Altmers full of [[{{Jerkass}} snobs who look down upon non-Altmers and even non-Thalmor Altmers]], the base game’s version of the Aldmeri Dominion shows Altmers who value other races, have sympathetic qualities, merely want to rule and guide Tamriel, and even will stop some of their kind who are racist from causing harm to others. They even made the Summerset Isles the main location for the second chapter as a bonus.

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** After ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsvSkyrim Skyrim]]'' pretty much made the government of the Altmers full of [[{{Jerkass}} snobs who look down upon non-Altmers and even non-Thalmor Altmers]], the base game’s version of the Aldmeri Dominion shows Altmers who who, while still snobs and arrogant, value other races, have sympathetic qualities, merely want to rule and guide Tamriel, and even will stop some of their kind who are racist from causing harm to others. They even made the Summerset Isles the main location for the second chapter as a bonus.



** Razum-Dar from the Aldmeri Dominion is very popular in his own right, probably because he's the funniest and most engaging NPC in the Dominion.

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** Razum-Dar from the Aldmeri Dominion is very popular in his own right, probably because he's the funniest and most engaging NPC in the Dominion. His expanded role in the ''Elder Scrolls Online: Summerset'' was very well received in that he played a main role in the storyline.


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** Alchemy from ''Summerset'' is getting praised for being the first canonically transgender character in the history of the ''Elder Scrolls'' series and having a very sympathetic backstory.
4th Jun '18 11:50:19 PM RomanBowler
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** After ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsvSkyrim Skyrim]]'' pretty much made the government of the Altmers full of [[{{Jerkass}} snobs who look down upon non-Altmers and even non-Thalmor Altmers]], the base game’s version of the Aldmeri Dominion shows Altmers who value other races, have sympathetic qualities, merely want to rule and guide Tamriel, and even will stop some of their kind who are racist from causing harm to others. They even made the Summerset Isles the main location for the second chapter as a bonus.
3rd Jun '18 9:39:44 PM Dawnwing
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*** Maormer crafting motifs being added as blue-tier individual pages to the Psijic Crown Crates. The reaction to a motif being Crate-only was so negative that they added the pages as rare drops when fishing on Summerset.
30th Apr '18 8:33:28 PM Dawnwing
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** Some of the random encounters out in the wilderness involve an NPC calling for help, but some of them would just call it over and over, repeatedly, which got annoying. This was fixed, and was memorialized with the following patch note: ''"The summoner requesting help in the wilderness will no longer shout endlessly about his predicament. He has advanced to the next stage of accepting his fate."''
13th Jan '18 2:50:06 AM Dawnwing
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** Changing the game to buy-to-play and adding a cash shop for cosmetic items (costumes, vanity pets, and mounts): An excellent opportunity for those who can't afford or didn't want to pay a monthly subscription, or the start of a poor community and pay-to-win?

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** Changing the game to buy-to-play and adding a cash shop for cosmetic items (costumes, vanity pets, and mounts): An excellent opportunity for those who can't afford or didn't want to pay a monthly subscription, or the start of a poor community and pay-to-win? pay-to-win? (Ultimately it ended up being the former and part of what helped the game [[GrowingTheBeard grow its beard]].)



** When the Wild Hunt crates came out with the first furnishing items, players discovered a glitch in the Crown Store's "preview" mode that became highly popular: if you preview a pet or mount, then a furnishing, and then make your character walk, it will show the pet you looked at in the place of your character, and you can run around Tamriel as a wolf pup or senche cub or similar creature. Sadly this was later fixed.
* GrowingTheBeard: The game had a really rough launch, but it gradually gained traction through positive changes such as the addition of the Justice System. The One Tamriel update in fall 2016 - which made everything scale to your level like the DLC zones were doing and which made it so that you can travel anywhere without having to get to the end of a questline to unlock the other faction zones - was the main turning point that changed former naysayers' opinions on the game. Overall it went from mixed (at best) opinions at launch to one of the most popular [=MMOs=] out there.
* HypeBacklash: Given that the game was heavily advertised for a few years, and had its admittingly epic looking cutscenes shown, many fans felt ready for an Elder Scroll MMO. When the game came out, that hype turned into InternetBackdraft for the game's issues and the fact that it has considerable differences from a main-series game.

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** When the Wild Hunt crates came out with the first furnishing items, players discovered a glitch in the Crown Store's "preview" mode that became highly popular: if you preview previewed a pet or mount, then a furnishing, and then make made your character walk, it will show the pet you looked at in the place instead of your character, character it would display whatever creature you previewed, and (from your point of view at least; others couldn't see it) you can could run around Tamriel as a wolf pup or senche cub or similar creature. Sadly this was later fixed.
* GrowingTheBeard: The game had a really rough launch, but it gradually gained traction through positive changes such as the addition of the Justice System.System and no longer requiring a subscription. The One Tamriel update in fall 2016 - which made everything scale to your level like the DLC zones were doing and which made it so that you can travel anywhere without having to get to the end of a questline to unlock the other faction zones - was the main turning point that changed former naysayers' opinions on the game. Overall it went from mixed (at best) opinions at launch to one of the most popular [=MMOs=] out there.
* HypeBacklash: Given that the game was heavily advertised for a few years, and had its admittingly admittedly epic looking cutscenes shown, many fans felt ready for an Elder Scroll MMO. When the game came out, that hype turned into InternetBackdraft for the game's issues and the fact that it has considerable differences from a main-series game.



** The Steam release of the game. Zenimax announced several times on the official ESO forum that the existing version of the game is not compatible with Steam and can only be added as a non-Steam game, and only new accounts would get the benefits of having it on Steam, such as the trading cards. They also released a special dog vanity pet (one of the most asked-for pets) for new accounts made on the Steam version - and new accounts ''only''; it wasn't a code that could be applied to existing accounts if one were to purchase a second version of the game.

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** The Steam release of the game. Zenimax announced several times on the official ESO forum that the existing version of the game is not compatible with Steam and can only be added as a non-Steam game, and only new accounts would get the benefits of having it on Steam, such as the trading cards. They also released a special the very first dog vanity pet (one of the most asked-for pets) for new accounts made on the Steam version - and new accounts ''only''; it wasn't a code that could be applied to existing accounts if one were to purchase a second version copy of the game.



** Crown Crates. Initially announced as basically being consumables plus a chance to get items that are no longer in the Crown Store with few or no exclusives, and that if you got a duplicate item you'd get credits that could be used later to purchase an item that you want. Turns out Crates are 400 Crowns, with roughly 2/3 of them being crate-exclusive items (meaning you can't just buy it in the store, you have to try your luck). It's a VERY slim chance to get actually desirable items: the "good" items are in the Legendary and Apex tiers, but based on [[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Zt5oj7PWNFFaTykgXhWQOOkVl1ekHAJgcJpueRN3C40/edit#gid=0 users tracking drop rates]], Legendary rewards are only a 3% chance of dropping, and Apex-tier are only 1%. You can get "Crown Gems" (which can later be used to purchase the items outright) for duplicate items or for trading in consumables, but the exchange rate is paltry: consumable cards (which you'll get roughly 70% of the time) only give you ''one gem'' for the card, meaning that you can spend 400 Crowns on a crate and only get 4 gems for it. The price of the non-consumable rewards with the resulting gems (depending on the tier) are 16, 40, 100, and a whopping ''400'' gems for the apex tier. To top it off, it was EnsembleDarkhorse Pacrooti that they chose to "run" it, a character who ''specifically complained'' about being swindled. Backlash ensued.
*** Dwemer Crown Crates. Not only was this third season of the crates heavily weighted toward Bal Foyen Nix-Hounds, but it also included 4 ''extra-rare'' Apex rewards that can't be bought with gems - meaning that unlike normal Apex rewards, you can't just keep buying crates until you save up enough gems to get what you want; you ''have'' to be lucky enough to get it from the crate. Needless to say, many players were unhappy about this.

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** Crown Crates. Initially announced as basically being consumables plus a chance to get items that are no longer in the Crown Store with few or no exclusives, and that if you got a duplicate item you'd get credits that could be used later to purchase an item that you want. Turns out Crates are 400 Crowns, with roughly 2/3 of them being crate-exclusive items (meaning you can't just buy it in the store, you have to try your luck). It's a VERY slim chance to get actually desirable items: the "good" items are in the Legendary and Apex tiers, but based on [[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Zt5oj7PWNFFaTykgXhWQOOkVl1ekHAJgcJpueRN3C40/edit#gid=0 users tracking drop rates]], Legendary rewards rates, it's a very low percentage rate (apex are only a 3% chance of dropping, and Apex-tier are only 1%.somewhere around 2%). You can get "Crown Gems" (which can later be used to purchase the items outright) for duplicate items or for trading in consumables, but the exchange rate is paltry: consumable cards (which you'll get roughly 70% of the time) only give you ''one gem'' for the card, meaning that you can spend 400 Crowns on a crate and only get 4 gems for it. The price of the non-consumable rewards with the resulting gems (depending on the tier) are 16, 40, 100, and a whopping ''400'' gems for the apex tier. To top it off, it was EnsembleDarkhorse Pacrooti that they chose to "run" it, a character who ''specifically complained'' about being swindled. Backlash ensued.
*** Dwemer Crown Crates. Not only was this third season of the crates [[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Zt5oj7PWNFFaTykgXhWQOOkVl1ekHAJgcJpueRN3C40/edit#gid=165213761 heavily weighted weighted]] toward Bal Foyen Nix-Hounds, Nix-Hounds in particular, but it also included 4 ''extra-rare'' Apex rewards that can't be bought with gems - meaning that unlike normal Apex rewards, you can't just keep buying crates until you save up enough gems to get what you want; you ''have'' to be lucky enough to get it from the crate. crate. Needless to say, many players were unhappy about this.



** On the official ESO forum, patch notes are almost always called "Natch Potes", even by the devs, due to a typo a user made (sometimes [[{{Flanderization}} flanderized]] as "[[http://s4.imgload.info/cydnz175yjjf254.jpg netch poots]]").

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** On the official ESO forum, patch notes are almost always often called "Natch Potes", even by the devs, due to a typo a user made (sometimes [[{{Flanderization}} flanderized]] as "[[http://s4.imgload.info/cydnz175yjjf254.jpg netch poots]]").
** Jason Leavey's hair. In 2014 a [[https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/134417/the-jason-leavey-hair-appreciation-thread thread]] on the official forum started a craze over his flamboyant hairstyle, and eventually it was made into a purchasable hairstyle in-game that players could equip to their own characters.
** The Jan 4 2018 episode of ESO Live that was meant to be the first preview of the Dragon Bones DLC ended up having some technical difficulties that prevented them from using their normal streaming software/equipment, and ultimately they just decided to grab a webcam to stream and a monitor to show the gameplay on. Early on, Gina Bruno and Mike Finnegan gestured to the monitor, which spawned a series of photoshops of different things being displayed on it (one of them was even [[[[https://puu.sh/yWVAx/afac74ba51.png used]] for the next patch notes header).



** Spiders make an obnoxious noise when they detect you.

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** Spiders make an obnoxious noise screech/hiss when they detect you.



** Echalette pets are considered obnoxious for the grunting/whining noises they make.
** The Doom Wolf mount's howl is meant to have a distorted, unearthly sound, but players find it {{Narm}}y at best. "Demon cow" is a common description of it.



** No player houses. Given that previous games offered everything from small shacks to mansions this has upset many players. Zenimax [[http://dulfy.net/2014/05/01/eso-may-1-reddit-ama-transcript/ did confirm]] that housing is coming, they just want to "do it right."
*** Player housing was [[http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2016/12/06/introducing-homestead officially announced]] on December 6, 2016, over a year and a half after launch, with the official launch date of the Homestead update being in February 2017. Time will tell if it will be worth the wait, but reaction so far to the trailer and promised features has been overwhelmingly positive. [[HopeSpot Of course]], then came the actual feature on the Test Server, and it came to light that there will be caps on the amount of people able to visit a house at each time; eight for medium houses, eight for ''large'' houses, twelve for manors, and twenty-four for estates. And the worst part? On the PTS, it doesn't tell you the cap until [[BaitAndSwitch AFTER]] you bought it! [[InternetBackdraft Cue a bunch of irate threads on the forums.]]

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** No player houses. Given that previous games offered everything from small shacks to mansions this has upset many players. Zenimax [[http://dulfy.net/2014/05/01/eso-may-1-reddit-ama-transcript/ did confirm]] that housing is was coming, they just want wanted to "do it right."
*** Player housing
" It was [[http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2016/12/06/introducing-homestead officially announced]] on December 6, 2016, over a year and a half after launch, with the official launch date of launched in the Homestead update being in February 2017. Time will tell if it will be worth 2017, almost three years after the wait, but game's launch. While some features were disliked (including caps on players and mount/pet collectibles, and the lack of item storage - which was addressed the following year), the reaction so far to the trailer and promised features has been overwhelmingly positive. [[HopeSpot Of course]], then came the actual feature on the Test Server, and it came to light that there will be caps on the amount of people able to visit a house at each time; eight for medium houses, eight for ''large'' houses, twelve for manors, and twenty-four for estates. And the worst part? On the PTS, it doesn't tell you the cap until [[BaitAndSwitch AFTER]] you bought it! [[InternetBackdraft Cue a bunch of irate threads on the forums.]] was generally positive.



** Crown Crates, as described under InternetBackdraft: instead of being able to purchase some things you want directly from the Crown Store, the only way to get them is to spend a lot of money on the Crown Crates (400 Crowns - about $4 - per crate) and only have a small chance of getting it (3% and 1% drop rate for the two highest reward tiers - which are where the tiers containing the items people actually want - and you're at the mercy of whatever item it decides to give you), with a pathetic exchange rate if you want to trade in your consumables for Crown Gems to try and purchase the item outright (one crate might get you 4 gems; items from the highest two tiers cost 100 and 400 gems respectively.)

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** Crown Crates, as described under InternetBackdraft: instead of being able to purchase some things you want directly from the Crown Store, the only way to get them is to spend a lot of money on the Crown Crates (400 Crowns - about $4 - per crate) and only have a small chance of getting it (3% and 1% drop rate for the two highest reward tiers - which are where the tiers containing the items people you'll actually want - and you're want. You're at the mercy of whatever item it decides to give you), you, with a pathetic exchange rate if you want to trade in your consumables for Crown Gems to try and purchase the item outright (one crate (you might get you 4 gems; gems from exchanging the items in one crate; items from the highest two tiers cost 100 and 400 gems respectively.)) Some of them you can't even pay gems to get and ''have'' to be lucky enough to get it in the crate.
2nd Nov '17 4:56:00 PM omega05
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** Fans of ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind'' were disappointed that Sotha Sil, the third member of the Tribunal, was [[spoiler:already dead]] and thus the least developed of the three. As a prequel, the ''Clockwork City'' expansion finally features the character in the flesh.

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** Fans of ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind'' were disappointed that Sotha Sil, the third member of the Tribunal, Tribunal that includes Vivec and Almalexia, was [[spoiler:already dead]] and thus the least developed known of the three. As a prequel, the ''Clockwork City'' expansion finally features the character in the flesh.
2nd Nov '17 4:55:00 PM omega05
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** Fans of ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind'' were disappointed that Sotha Sil, the third member of the Tribunal, was [[spoiler:already dead]] and thus the least developed of the three. The ''Clockwork City'' expansion finally features the character in the flesh.

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** Fans of ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind'' were disappointed that Sotha Sil, the third member of the Tribunal, was [[spoiler:already dead]] and thus the least developed of the three. The As a prequel, the ''Clockwork City'' expansion finally features the character in the flesh.
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