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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Holden is either a shining beacon of morality amongst all that was wrong with the 1950s, or a whiny prototype EmoKid who refuses to let himself see anything good in the world, OR just one of the first examples of teenage disillusionment in a post-World War II world. Or you think he's telling you to kill pop-culture icons (see LoonyFan in the Trivia sec). It really depends on the reader.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Holden is either a shining beacon of morality amongst all that was wrong with the 1950s, or a whiny prototype EmoKid who refuses to let himself see anything good in the world, or someone who has good insights and potential but is weighed down by cynicism and bitterness, OR just one of the first examples of teenage disillusionment in a post-World War II world. Or you think he's telling you to kill pop-culture icons (see LoonyFan in the Trivia sec). It really depends on the reader.
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* JerkWithAHeartOfGold: Holden, according to some. To others, a JerkSue. It's only too easy to get irritated by Holden's constant negativity. Still others see him as a JerkassWoobie.
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* SecurityBlanket: His hunting cap can be seen as this, in that he's constantly putting it on and taking it off only when he's in a situation where he knows he will be mocked for wearing it.
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** Its current 'tame' status was referenced in a recent episode of WesternAnimation/SouthPark, where the boys, disappointed by the book's content, try to write the [[RefugeInVulgarity most disgusting story imaginable.]]
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** Its current 'tame' status was referenced in a recent episode of WesternAnimation/SouthPark, where the boys, disappointed by the book's content, try to write the [[RefugeInVulgarity most disgusting story imaginable.]]
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Holden is either a shining beacon of morality amongst all that was wrong with the 1950s, or a whiny prototype EmoKid who refuses to let himself see anything good in the world, OR just one of the first examples of teenage disillusionment in a post-World War II world. Or you think he's telling you to kill pop-culture icons (see LoonyFan on in the main page).Trivia sec). It really depends on the reader.
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** Catcher in the Rye is uncontroversial by today's standards. See above entry for LoonyFan that has helped fuel an undeserved reputation as a dark and controversial book. It's current 'tame' status was referenced in a recent episode of WesternAnimation/SouthPark, where the boys, disappointed by the book's content, try to write the [[RefugeInVulgarity most disgusting story imaginable.]]
** In the '50s, Holden Caulfield probably was a great character, just for being so ''[[DarkerAndEdgier different]]'' from other literary protagonists of the time. Today... Not so much. Considering that so many characters are like him nowadays, he [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation can sometimes come off as the]] UrExample of a JerkassStu.
** In the '50s, Holden Caulfield probably was a great character, just for being so ''[[DarkerAndEdgier different]]'' from other literary protagonists of the time. Today... Not so much. Considering that so many characters are like him nowadays, he [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation can sometimes come off as the]] UrExample of a JerkassStu.
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** Catcher in the Rye is uncontroversial by today's standards. See above entry for the LoonyFan that has entry in the Trivia section for what helped fuel an undeserved reputation as a dark and controversial book. It's book.
** Its current 'tame' status was referenced in a recent episode of WesternAnimation/SouthPark, where the boys, disappointed by the book's content, try to write the [[RefugeInVulgarity most disgusting story imaginable.]]
** In the '50s, Holden Caulfield probably was a great character, just for being so ''[[DarkerAndEdgier different]]'' from other literary protagonists of the time. Today...Not not so much. Considering that so many characters are like him nowadays, he [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation can sometimes come off as the]] UrExample of a JerkassStu.
** Its current 'tame' status was referenced in a recent episode of WesternAnimation/SouthPark, where the boys, disappointed by the book's content, try to write the [[RefugeInVulgarity most disgusting story imaginable.]]
** In the '50s, Holden Caulfield probably was a great character, just for being so ''[[DarkerAndEdgier different]]'' from other literary protagonists of the time. Today...
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** Holden refers to how attractive Stradlater is all the damn time.
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** Holden refers to how attractive Stradlater is all the damn time.time, including calling him a "sexy bastard" at least twice (though, as noted on the main page, this is most likely the result of HaveAGayOldTime.
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* AntiHero: Holden is a Type IV/V.
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** Catcher in the Rye is uncontroversial by today's standards. See above entry for LoonyFan that has helped fuel an undeserved reputation as a dark and controversial book. It's current 'tame' status was referenced in a recent episode of SouthPark, where the boys, disappointed by the book's content, try to write the [[RefugeInVulgarity most disgusting story imaginable.]]
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** Catcher in the Rye is uncontroversial by today's standards. See above entry for LoonyFan that has helped fuel an undeserved reputation as a dark and controversial book. It's current 'tame' status was referenced in a recent episode of SouthPark, WesternAnimation/SouthPark, where the boys, disappointed by the book's content, try to write the [[RefugeInVulgarity most disgusting story imaginable.]]
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** Holden refers to how attractive Stradlater is all the damn time.
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** In the '50s, Holden Caulfield probably was a great character, just for being so [[DarkerAndEdgier ''different'']] ''[[DarkerAndEdgier different]]'' from other literary protagonists of the time. Today... Not so much. Considering that so many characters are like him nowadays, he [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation can sometimes come off as the]] UrExample of a JerkassStu.
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** The infamous passage in which Mr. Antolini strokes the forehead of a sleeping Holden. Even Holden himself is rather disturbed, fleeing Mr. Antolini's house right afterwards.
** Antolini's inquiries about Holden's girlfriends and the fact that he calls Holden "handsome" as he wishes him goodnight could be read as flirtatious advances as well.
** Carl Luce, who was said to be always grabbing guys' butts, and somehow seemed to know if anyone was gay. He was most likely a case of AnythingThatMoves.
** Note that, for a long time in America, this could have been TruthInTelevision; spotting a gay man based on behavorial patterns (that is, by any way other than catching him having sex with a man) was seen as a surefire sign that ''you'' were gay. Gaydar was one of the main reasons so many people were expelled from Harvard in the 1920's, even if they were into women or AnythingThatMoves.
** The infamous passage in which Mr. Antolini strokes the forehead of a sleeping Holden. Even Holden himself is rather disturbed, fleeing Mr. Antolini's house right afterwards.
** Antolini's inquiries about Holden's girlfriends and the fact that he calls Holden "handsome" as he wishes him goodnight could be read as flirtatious advances as well.
** Carl Luce, who was said to be always grabbing guys' butts, and somehow seemed to know if anyone was gay. He was most likely a case of AnythingThatMoves.
** Note that, for a long time in America, this could have been TruthInTelevision; spotting a gay man based on behavorial patterns (that is, by any way other than catching him having sex with a man) was seen as a surefire sign that ''you'' were gay. Gaydar was one of the main reasons so many people were expelled from Harvard in the 1920's, even if they were into women or AnythingThatMoves.
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* YourMileageMayVary: Any high schooler would tell you that the book has its detractors.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Why is this book so frequently banned? Because it uses the word "Fuck"- during a scene in which Holden, discovering it scribbled where grade-schoolers can see it, tries to scrub it out so it can never offend anyone again. Also counts as CompletelyMissingThePoint. Considering how much Holden swears BEYOND "fuck," this is somewhat justified. However, this does miss the point, considering how iconic the book is.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Why is this book so frequently banned? Because it uses the word "Fuck"- during a scene in which Holden, discovering it scribbled where grade-schoolers can see it, tries to scrub it out so it can never offend anyone again. Also counts as CompletelyMissingThePoint. Considering how much Holden swears BEYOND "fuck," this is somewhat justified. However, this does miss the point, considering how iconic the book is.
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** The underage protagonist spending the entire novel smoking, drinking (when he can get served), hiring a prostitute, having a [[{{Understatement}} generally negative attitude]] AFTER being kicked out of school might also have something to do with why people ban it ...
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* JerkWithAHeartOfGold: Holden, according to some.
** To others, a JerkSue. It's only too easy to get irritated by Holden's constant negativity.
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** To others, a JerkSue. It's only too easy to get irritated by Holden's constant negativity.
* Still others see him as a JerkassWoobie
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* JerkWithAHeartOfGold: Holden, according to some.
**some. To others, a JerkSue. It's only too easy to get irritated by Holden's constant negativity.
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* {{Wangst}}: The nonstop swearing and pessimistic, holier-than-thou type of attitude that the narrator had (due to ''everyone'' being a "phony") made the book completely unbearable.
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* {{Wangst}}: The nonstop swearing and pessimistic, holier-than-thou type of attitude that the narrator had (due to ''everyone'' being a "phony") made the book completely unbearable.unbearable for some.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Holden is either a shining beacon of morality amongst all that was wrong with the 1950s, or a whiny prototype EmoKid who refuses to let himself see anything good in the world, OR just one of the first examples of teenage disillusionment in a post-World War II world. Or you think he's telling you to kill pop-culture icons (see LoonyFan on the main page). It really depends on the reader.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Holden is either a shining beacon of morality amongst all that was wrong with the 1950s, or a whiny prototype EmoKid who refuses to let himself see anything good in the world, OR just one of the first examples of teenage disillusionment in a post-World War II world. Or you think he's telling you to kill pop-culture icons (see LoonyFan on the main page). It really depends on the reader.
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* {{Wangst}}: The nonstop swearing and pessimistic, holier-than-thou type of attitude that the narrator had (due to ''everyone'' being a "phony") made the book completely unbearable.
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* {{Wangst}}: The nonstop swearing and pessimistic, holier-than-thou type of attitude that the narrator had (due to ''everyone'' being a "phony") made the book completely unbearable.unbearable.
* YourMileageMayVary: Any high schooler would tell you that the book has its detractors.
* YourMileageMayVary: Any high schooler would tell you that the book has its detractors.
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** In the '50s, Holden Caulfield probably was a great character, just for being so [[DarkerAndEdgier ''different'']] from other literary protagonists of the time. Today... Not so much. Considering that so many characters are like him nowadays, he [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation can sometimes come off as the]] UrExample of a JerkassStu.
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** In the '50s, Holden Caulfield probably was a great character, just for being so [[DarkerAndEdgier ''different'']] from other literary protagonists of the time. Today... Not so much. Considering that so many characters are like him nowadays, he [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation can sometimes come off as the]] UrExample of a JerkassStu.JerkassStu.
* {{Wangst}}: The nonstop swearing and pessimistic, holier-than-thou type of attitude that the narrator had (due to ''everyone'' being a "phony") made the book completely unbearable.
* {{Wangst}}: The nonstop swearing and pessimistic, holier-than-thou type of attitude that the narrator had (due to ''everyone'' being a "phony") made the book completely unbearable.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Holden is either a shining beacon of morality amongst all that was wrong with the 1950s, or a whiny prototype EmoKid who refuses to let himself see anything good in the world, OR just one of the first examples of teenage disillusionment in a post-World War II world. Or you think he's telling you to kill pop-culture icons (see LoonyFan below). It really depends on the reader.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Holden is either a shining beacon of morality amongst all that was wrong with the 1950s, or a whiny prototype EmoKid who refuses to let himself see anything good in the world, OR just one of the first examples of teenage disillusionment in a post-World War II world. Or you think he's telling you to kill pop-culture icons (see LoonyFan below).on the main page). It really depends on the reader.
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* HypeBacklash: Considering its reputation as both one of the most controversial and most loved books in history, it has lead to quite a few people being a little underwhelmed when they read it the first time.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Holden is either a shining beacon of morality amongst all that was wrong with the 1950s, or a whiny prototype EmoKid who refuses to let himself see anything good in the world, OR just one of the first examples of teenage disillusionment in a post-World War II world. Or you think he's telling you to kill pop-culture icons (see LoonyFan below). It really depends on the reader. Quagmire brings this up during his rant to Brian on ''FamilyGuy'''s "Jerome is the New Black", saying Holden was a spoiled brat instead of a burdened genius.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Holden is either a shining beacon of morality amongst all that was wrong with the 1950s, or a whiny prototype EmoKid who refuses to let himself see anything good in the world, OR just one of the first examples of teenage disillusionment in a post-World War II world. Or you think he's telling you to kill pop-culture icons (see LoonyFan below). It really depends on the reader. Quagmire brings this up during his rant to Brian on ''FamilyGuy'''s "Jerome is the New Black", saying Holden was a spoiled brat instead of a burdened genius.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Why is this book so frequently banned? Because it uses the word "Fuck"- during a scene in which Holden, discovering it scribbled where grade-schoolers can see it, tries to scrub it out so it can never offend anyone again. Also counts as CompletelyMissingThePoint. Considering how much Holden swears BEYOND "fuck," this is somewhat justified. However, this does miss the point, considering how iconic the book is.
** The underage protagonist spending the entire novel smoking, drinking (when he can get served), hiring a prostitute, having a [[{{Understatement}} generally negative attitude]] AFTER being kicked out of school might also have something to do with why people ban it ...
** The underage protagonist spending the entire novel smoking, drinking (when he can get served), hiring a prostitute, having a [[{{Understatement}} generally negative attitude]] AFTER being kicked out of school might also have something to do with why people ban it ...
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** To others, a JerkSue. It's only too easy to get irritated by Holden's constant negativity.
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** To others, a JerkSue. It's only too easy to get irritated by Holden's constant negativity.negativity.
* SeinfeldIsUnfunny:
** Catcher in the Rye is uncontroversial by today's standards. See above entry for LoonyFan that has helped fuel an undeserved reputation as a dark and controversial book. It's current 'tame' status was referenced in a recent episode of SouthPark, where the boys, disappointed by the book's content, try to write the [[RefugeInVulgarity most disgusting story imaginable.]]
** In the '50s, Holden Caulfield probably was a great character, just for being so [[DarkerAndEdgier ''different'']] from other literary protagonists of the time. Today... Not so much. Considering that so many characters are like him nowadays, he [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation can sometimes come off as the]] UrExample of a JerkassStu.
* SeinfeldIsUnfunny:
** Catcher in the Rye is uncontroversial by today's standards. See above entry for LoonyFan that has helped fuel an undeserved reputation as a dark and controversial book. It's current 'tame' status was referenced in a recent episode of SouthPark, where the boys, disappointed by the book's content, try to write the [[RefugeInVulgarity most disgusting story imaginable.]]
** In the '50s, Holden Caulfield probably was a great character, just for being so [[DarkerAndEdgier ''different'']] from other literary protagonists of the time. Today... Not so much. Considering that so many characters are like him nowadays, he [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation can sometimes come off as the]] UrExample of a JerkassStu.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Holden is either a shining beacon of morality amongst all that was wrong with the 1950s, or a whiny prototype EmoKid who refuses to let himself see anything good in the world, OR just one of the first examples of teenage disillusionment in a post-World War II world. Or you think he's telling you to kill pop-culture icons (see LoonyFan below). It really depends on the reader. Quagmire brings this up during his rant to Brian on ''FamilyGuy'''s "Jerome is the New Black", saying Holden was a spoiled brat instead of a burdened genius.