History YMMV / ShinMegamiTensei

14th Jul '17 6:45:10 AM CybranGeneralSturm
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* ThatOneAttack:

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* ThatOneAttack: There are numerous examples, and it's now to the point where [[ThatOneAttack/ShinMegamiTensei there's an entire sub-page dedicated to this]]:
14th Jul '17 6:42:51 AM CybranGeneralSturm
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* ThatOneBoss: [[WakeUpCallBoss Matador]] and Mot in Nocturne, the golden metal trio in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 2}}'', Intrepid Knight in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'', anyone in ''VideoGame/DigitalDevilSaga'' with the second boss theme and probably a few more. Of course, if you don't use all of the options that are available to you like ailment inducing ammo, buff and debuff skills, buff and debuff cancelling skill, healing skills, elemental and ailments immunity to at least some of the bosses attacks, then expect lot of bosses to suddenly turn into NintendoHard ThatOneBoss. You know what, let's just tell you we have [[ThatOneBoss/{{Atlus}} ThatOneBoss/Atlus]] (where Shin Megami Tensei makes up most of the article) and leave it at that.

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* ThatOneBoss: [[WakeUpCallBoss Matador]] and Mot in Nocturne, the golden metal trio in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 2}}'', Intrepid Knight in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'', anyone in ''VideoGame/DigitalDevilSaga'' with the second boss theme and probably a few more. Of course, if you don't use all of the options that are available to you like ailment inducing ammo, buff and debuff skills, buff and debuff cancelling skill, healing skills, elemental and ailments immunity to at least some of the bosses attacks, then expect lot of bosses to suddenly turn into NintendoHard ThatOneBoss. You know what, let's just tell you we have [[ThatOneBoss/{{Atlus}} ThatOneBoss/Atlus]] (where Shin Megami Tensei makes up most a good chunk of the article) and leave it at that.
16th Jun '17 2:00:36 AM ergeis
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* NeverLiveItDown: The series has the reputation as the game where you kill God, when the truth is only a handful of games did that.
13th Jun '17 6:58:27 PM LucaEarlgrey
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** The Law-alignment from ''SMT'' proper is this. If not a [[TheScrappy Scrappy alignment]] for it's belief in a WorldOfSilence where all worships [[GodIsEvil YHVH]] for eternity, it's definitely a BaseBreaker, with ''tons'' of controversy coming from the alignment in America. That said, it's actually considered a reasonable option in Japan, largely because their values system promotes social harmony, cooperation and compromise, and ideas such as destabilizing said social harmony for the sake of freedom is [[ValuesDissonance widely considered selfish and wrong there.]] [[http://gonintendo.com/stories/125558-shin-megami-tensei-law-chaos-and-the-american-way This link really sums it up nicely.]]

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** The Law-alignment from ''SMT'' proper is this. If not a [[TheScrappy Scrappy alignment]] for it's belief in a WorldOfSilence where all worships [[GodIsEvil YHVH]] for eternity, it's definitely a BaseBreaker, with ''tons'' of controversy coming from the alignment in America. That said, it's actually considered a reasonable option in Japan, largely because their values system promotes social harmony, cooperation and compromise, and ideas such as destabilizing said social harmony for the sake of freedom is [[ValuesDissonance widely considered selfish and wrong there.]] It helps that Christianity isn't as big in Japan; had the original games been released in the US in the 90's, cartridge-burning protests would've likely ensued from MoralGuardian parents. [[http://gonintendo.com/stories/125558-shin-megami-tensei-law-chaos-and-the-american-way This link really sums it up nicely.]]
13th Jun '17 6:57:08 PM LucaEarlgrey
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* AmericansHateTingle: In the West, the games that do get released and aren't ''Persona 3'', ''4'', ''5'', or any of their spinoffs are under-the-radar {{Cult Classic}}s at best and bashed for not being ''Persona'' at worst. ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIV'' was hit by the BiasSteamroller particularly hard, as it was released around the time that ''Persona'' really started to skyrocket in popularity outside of Japan; see BrokenBase below. As for the franchise as a whole, many Westerners are [[ItsHardSoItSucks put off by the intense difficulty]] that borders on [[LuckBasedMission requiring sheer luck]] and excessive amounts of preparation at times.
** On that topic, the Law-alignment from Shin Megami Tensei proper is this. If not a [[TheScrappy Scrappy alignment]] for it's belief in a WorldOfSilence where all worships [[GodIsEvil YHVH]] for eternity, it's definitely a BaseBreaker, with ''tons'' of controversy coming from the alignment in America. That said, it's actually considered a reasonable option in Japan, largely because their values system promotes social harmony, cooperation and compromise, and ideas such as destabilizing said social harmony for the sake of freedom is [[ValuesDissonance widely considered selfish and wrong there.]] [[http://gonintendo.com/stories/125558-shin-megami-tensei-law-chaos-and-the-american-way This link really sums it up nicely.]]

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In the West, the games that do get released and aren't ''Persona 3'', ''4'', ''5'', or any of their spinoffs are under-the-radar {{Cult Classic}}s at best and bashed for not being ''Persona'' at worst. ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIV'' was hit by the BiasSteamroller particularly hard, as it was released around the time that ''Persona'' really started to skyrocket in popularity outside of Japan; see BrokenBase below. As for the franchise as a whole, many Westerners are [[ItsHardSoItSucks put off by the intense difficulty]] that borders on [[LuckBasedMission requiring sheer luck]] and excessive amounts of preparation at times.
** On that topic, the The Law-alignment from Shin Megami Tensei ''SMT'' proper is this. If not a [[TheScrappy Scrappy alignment]] for it's belief in a WorldOfSilence where all worships [[GodIsEvil YHVH]] for eternity, it's definitely a BaseBreaker, with ''tons'' of controversy coming from the alignment in America. That said, it's actually considered a reasonable option in Japan, largely because their values system promotes social harmony, cooperation and compromise, and ideas such as destabilizing said social harmony for the sake of freedom is [[ValuesDissonance widely considered selfish and wrong there.]] [[http://gonintendo.com/stories/125558-shin-megami-tensei-law-chaos-and-the-american-way This link really sums it up nicely.]]
7th Jun '17 1:49:32 PM mizorefan
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** The franchise moving from ''Playstation'' home consoles to ''Nintendo'' handhelds (''UsefulNotes/NintendoDS'' and ''UsefulNotes/Nintendo3DS'') after the ''UsefulNotes/PlayStation2'' era. This frustrated many ''UsefulNotes/PlayStation3'' owners which predicted the console getting new titles. Not only [=PS3=] didn't get any new [=SMT=] game outside of re-releases of [=PS2=] games but only got ''Persona 5'' at the very end of the generation, which was released for the more popular ''UsefulNotes/PlayStation4'' too.
25th May '17 6:50:09 AM CalamityRaven26
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** On that topic, the Law-alignment from Shin Megami Tensei proper is this. If not a [[TheScrappy Scrappy alignment]] for it's belief in a WorldOfSilence where all worships [[GodIsEvil YHVH]] for eternity, it's definitely a BaseBreaker, with ''tons'' of controversy coming from the alignment in America. That said, it's actually considered a reasonable option in Japan, largely because their values system promotes social harmony, cooperation and compromise, and ideas such as destabilizing said social harmony for the sake of freedom is [[ValuesDissonance widely considered selfish and wrong there.]] [[link:http://gonintendo.com/stories/125558-shin-megami-tensei-law-chaos-and-the-american-way This link really sums it up nicely.]]

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** On that topic, the Law-alignment from Shin Megami Tensei proper is this. If not a [[TheScrappy Scrappy alignment]] for it's belief in a WorldOfSilence where all worships [[GodIsEvil YHVH]] for eternity, it's definitely a BaseBreaker, with ''tons'' of controversy coming from the alignment in America. That said, it's actually considered a reasonable option in Japan, largely because their values system promotes social harmony, cooperation and compromise, and ideas such as destabilizing said social harmony for the sake of freedom is [[ValuesDissonance widely considered selfish and wrong there.]] [[link:http://gonintendo.[[http://gonintendo.com/stories/125558-shin-megami-tensei-law-chaos-and-the-american-way This link really sums it up nicely.]]
25th May '17 6:49:15 AM CalamityRaven26
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** On that topic, the Law-alignment from Shin Megami Tensei proper is this. If not a [[TheScrappy Scrappy alignment]] for it's belief in a WorldOfSilence where all worships [[GodIsEvil YHVH]] for eternity, it's definitely a BaseBreaker, with ''tons'' of controversy coming from the alignment in America. That said, it's actually considered a reasonable option in Japan, largely because their values system promotes social harmony, cooperation and compromise, and ideas such as destabilizing said social harmony for the sake of freedom is [[ValuesDissonance widely considered selfish and wrong there.]] [[link:http://gonintendo.com/stories/125558-shin-megami-tensei-law-chaos-and-the-american-way This link really sums it up nicely.]]
20th May '17 6:07:11 AM CalamityRaven26
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** There are quite a lot of arguments over the alignments as a whole, but Law stands outs. Either it's a LawfulNeutral faction that, despite it's flaws, [[WellIntentionedExtremist means well for humanity]], and it's collectivist beliefs in the face of soul-corrupting demons as a NecessaryEvil... or it's a brutal, tyrannical, fascist nightmare, determing to rape the freedom of humanity into [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill mindless submission to YHVH]], and [[YouBastard you should feel bad if you side with it.]] Trust me when I say that there is NO middle-ground. So yeah... support [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiI Yoshio]], [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiII Zayin]], [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiStrangeJourney Zelenin]] and [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIV Jonathan]] ''[[InternetBackdraft at your own risk.]]''

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** There are quite a lot of arguments over the alignments as a whole, but Law stands outs. Either it's a LawfulNeutral faction that, despite it's flaws, [[WellIntentionedExtremist means well for humanity]], and it's collectivist beliefs in the face of soul-corrupting demons as is a NecessaryEvil... or it's a brutal, tyrannical, fascist nightmare, determing to rape the freedom of humanity into [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill mindless submission to YHVH]], and [[YouBastard you should feel bad if you side with it.]] Trust me when I say that there is NO middle-ground. So yeah... support [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiI Yoshio]], [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiII Zayin]], [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiStrangeJourney Zelenin]] and [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIV Jonathan]] ''[[InternetBackdraft at your own risk.]]''
19th May '17 4:23:17 PM GreatDane112
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* AmericansHateTingle: In the West, the games that do get released and aren't ''Persona 3'', ''4'', or any of their spinoffs are under-the-radar {{Cult Classic}}s at best and bashed for not being ''Persona'' at worst. ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIV'' was hit by the BiasSteamroller particularly hard, as it was released around the time that ''Persona'' really started to skyrocket in popularity outside of Japan; see BrokenBase below. As for the franchise as a whole, many Westerners are [[ItsHardSoItSucks put off by the intense difficulty]] that borders on [[LuckBasedMission requiring sheer luck]] and excessive amounts of preparation at times.

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* AmericansHateTingle: In the West, the games that do get released and aren't ''Persona 3'', ''4'', ''5'', or any of their spinoffs are under-the-radar {{Cult Classic}}s at best and bashed for not being ''Persona'' at worst. ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIV'' was hit by the BiasSteamroller particularly hard, as it was released around the time that ''Persona'' really started to skyrocket in popularity outside of Japan; see BrokenBase below. As for the franchise as a whole, many Westerners are [[ItsHardSoItSucks put off by the intense difficulty]] that borders on [[LuckBasedMission requiring sheer luck]] and excessive amounts of preparation at times.
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