History YMMV / ShinMegamiTensei

23rd Aug '16 9:27:31 PM HamburgerTime
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* LoveToHate: One of the highlights for many players in some of the games, especially ''II'', is being able to challenge [[spoiler:{{God}} and [[RageAgainstTheHeavens kill]] [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu Him]]]].

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* LoveToHate: LoveToHate:
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One of the highlights for many players in some of the games, especially ''II'', is being able to challenge [[spoiler:{{God}} and [[RageAgainstTheHeavens kill]] [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu Him]]]].Him]]]].
** The ''raison d' être'' of most of the series' [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters human villains]], simply because the great figures of myth [[EvilIsCool are too cool to properly hate]].



* MST3KMantra: Satan is based on the Jewish view of Satan, the QuirkyMinibossSquad has the Catholic Raphael and non-canonical Uriel, and [[spoiler:only a few people will be allowed into the Millennium Kingdom]] in ShinMegamiTenseiII, which mirrors (the Hollywood version of) Jehovah's Witness teachings. Thor, Narukami and various other thunder gods [[AllMythsAreTrue co-exist]] and move on.

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* MST3KMantra: Satan is based on the Jewish view of Satan, the QuirkyMinibossSquad has the Catholic Raphael and non-canonical Uriel, and [[spoiler:only a few people will be allowed into the Millennium Kingdom]] in ShinMegamiTenseiII, which mirrors (the Hollywood version of) Jehovah's Witness teachings. teachings and those of far-right American Protestants. Thor, Narukami Mikazuchi, and various other thunder gods [[AllMythsAreTrue co-exist]] and move on.
18th Aug '16 8:20:06 PM LucaEarlgrey
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* LoveToHate: One of the highlights for many players in some of the games, especially ''II'', is being able to challenge [[spoiler:{{{God}] and [[RageAgainstTheHeavens kill]] [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu Him]]]].

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* LoveToHate: One of the highlights for many players in some of the games, especially ''II'', is being able to challenge [[spoiler:{{{God}] [[spoiler:{{God}} and [[RageAgainstTheHeavens kill]] [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu Him]]]].
18th Aug '16 8:19:51 PM LucaEarlgrey
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* LoveToHate: One of the highlights for many players in some of the games, especially ''II'', is being able to challenge [[spoiler:[[GodIsEvil the Almighty]] and kill Him]].

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* LoveToHate: One of the highlights for many players in some of the games, especially ''II'', is being able to challenge [[spoiler:[[GodIsEvil the Almighty]] [[spoiler:{{{God}] and kill Him]].[[RageAgainstTheHeavens kill]] [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu Him]]]].
18th Aug '16 8:17:34 PM LucaEarlgrey
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* LoveToHate: One of the highlights for many players in some of the games, especially ''II'', is being able to challenge [[spoiler:[[GodIsEvil the Almighty]] and kill Him]].
18th Aug '16 8:16:30 PM LucaEarlgrey
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Lucifer's been called a heroic revolutionary, a despicable SocialDarwinist, and everything in between. A common debate among fans is whether he's actually morally better than YHVH or if he's just better at selling his pitch; he is the [[ConsummateLiar Father of Lies]], after all.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Lucifer's been called a heroic revolutionary, a despicable SocialDarwinist, and everything in between. A common debate among fans is whether he's actually morally better than YHVH or if he's just better at selling his pitch; he is the [[ConsummateLiar Father of Lies]], after all. YHVH, on the other hand, is LoveToHate at best and TheScrappy at worst.
1st Aug '16 3:23:08 AM matteste
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** [[NintendoHard SMT Bullshit]][[labelnote:Explanation]]A phrase coined by the Let's Player Sirlionhart regarding the games' tendency to [[FakeDifficulty cheat]], often with lots of criticals, charm, or superpowered enemy exclusive moves against which the player's only real defense is "[[LuckBasedMission pray they don't use it]] [[AIRoulette too often]]."[[/labelnote]]

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** [[NintendoHard SMT Bullshit]][[labelnote:Explanation]]A phrase coined by the Let's Player Sirlionhart regarding the games' tendency to [[FakeDifficulty cheat]], often with lots of criticals, charm, or superpowered enemy exclusive moves against which unforgiving difficulty often leading to moments that can leave the player's only real defense is "[[LuckBasedMission pray they don't use it]] [[AIRoulette too often]]."[[/labelnote]]player (as he described it) "salty".[[/labelnote]]
29th Jul '16 8:59:58 PM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: Lucifer's been called a heroic revolutionary, a despicable SocialDarwinist, and everything in between. A common debate among fans is whether he's actually morally better than YHVH or if he's just better at selling his pitch; he is the [[ConsummateLiar Father of Lies]], after all.

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Lucifer's been called a heroic revolutionary, a despicable SocialDarwinist, and everything in between. A common debate among fans is whether he's actually morally better than YHVH or if he's just better at selling his pitch; he is the [[ConsummateLiar Father of Lies]], after all.
16th Jul '16 7:30:06 AM SpectralTime
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** [[NintendoHard SMT Bullshit]][[labelnote:Explanation]]A phrase coined by the Let's Player Sirlionhart regarding the games tendency to show no mercy to the player and will wreck them given even the smallest opportunity, often with lot's of critical's or charm involved.[[/labelnote]]

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** [[NintendoHard SMT Bullshit]][[labelnote:Explanation]]A phrase coined by the Let's Player Sirlionhart regarding the games games' tendency to show no mercy to the player and will wreck them given even the smallest opportunity, [[FakeDifficulty cheat]], often with lot's lots of critical's criticals, charm, or charm involved.[[/labelnote]]superpowered enemy exclusive moves against which the player's only real defense is "[[LuckBasedMission pray they don't use it]] [[AIRoulette too often]]."[[/labelnote]]
15th Jul '16 12:23:57 PM matteste
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* MemeticMutation: Rated M for Mara[[labelnote:Explanation]]Games featuring the GagPenis demon Mara tend to receive an automatic ESRB "M" (Mature) rating when exported to North America, even if the rest of the game content only warrants a "T" (Teen) rating. For example, ''VideoGame/DevilSurvivor'' and ''VideoGame/DevilSurvivor2'' feature characters getting killed on-screen with pools of blood, or being murdered in other brutal ways, like getting blown up or knocked down a flight of stairs, but Mara is not present. Both games are rated "T". ''VideoGame/PersonaQShadowOfTheLabyrinth'' features a SuperDeformed visual style and your typical dungeon crawler fare, and features Mara. It is rated "M".[[/labelnote]]

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* MemeticMutation: Rated MemeticMutation:
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M for Mara[[labelnote:Explanation]]Games featuring the GagPenis demon Mara tend to receive an automatic ESRB "M" (Mature) rating when exported to North America, even if the rest of the game content only warrants a "T" (Teen) rating. For example, ''VideoGame/DevilSurvivor'' and ''VideoGame/DevilSurvivor2'' feature characters getting killed on-screen with pools of blood, or being murdered in other brutal ways, like getting blown up or knocked down a flight of stairs, but Mara is not present. Both games are rated "T". ''VideoGame/PersonaQShadowOfTheLabyrinth'' features a SuperDeformed visual style and your typical dungeon crawler fare, and features Mara. It is rated "M".[[/labelnote]]
** [[NintendoHard SMT Bullshit]][[labelnote:Explanation]]A phrase coined by the Let's Player Sirlionhart regarding the games tendency to show no mercy to the player and will wreck them given even the smallest opportunity, often with lot's of critical's or charm involved.
[[/labelnote]]
13th Jul '16 1:23:37 PM HamburgerTime
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** The ''Persona'' sub-series. Many of its fans are unaware of the main series, and some of the few that do bash the games for not being more like Persona, much to the [[ItsPopularNowItSucks ire of the main series fans]]. There are some people that even love the games but still hate them for their overshadowing popularity.

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** The ''Persona'' sub-series. Many of its fans are unaware of the main series, and some of the few that do bash the games for not being more like Persona, much to the [[ItsPopularNowItSucks ire of the main series fans]]. There are some people that even love the games but still hate them for their overshadowing popularity.the fact that they've vastly overshadowed the other sub-franchises in popularity. An excellent way to start a fight is to discuss the topic of whether or not said popularity has influenced other branches of the franchise, most commonly ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse'' and the ''Videogame/DevilSurvivor'' duology, and whether this is a bad thing or not.
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