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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMoments: A meta-example: following a sordid history of TroubledProduction, ''Princess Maker 2'' finally received an official English release in September of 2016. Not only was the release of the updated ''Refine'' version, but the game was released a week ahead of its original October date due to the anticipation buzzing around its finally coming overseas! Afterwards, the original ''Princess Maker'' and ''Princess Maker 3'' would go on to be released, giving fans a chance to play through a good chunk of the series.
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMoments: A meta-example: following a sordid history of TroubledProduction, ''Princess Maker 2'' finally received an official English release in September of 2016. Not only was the release of the updated ''Refine'' version, but the game was released a week ahead of its original October date due to the anticipation buzzing around its finally coming overseas! Afterwards, the original ''Princess Maker'' and Maker'', ''Princess Maker 3'' and ''Princess Maker 5'' would go on to be released, giving fans a chance to play through a good chunk of the series.
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* [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff Koreans Love Princess Maker]]: Has a strong Korean fanbase. In fact, the newest game in the series, Princess Maker for Kakao, was Korean-made and didn't come to Japan until three years later!
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* [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff Koreans Love Princess Maker]]: GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Has a strong Korean fanbase. In fact, the newest game in the series, Princess Maker for Kakao, was Korean-made and didn't come to Japan until three years later!
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** In Princess Maker 5, if you have a good bond with your daughter she will talk about her parent at school and give you flowers on Mother's Day/Father's day.
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** In Princess Maker 5, if you have a good bond with your daughter she will talk about her parent at school and give you flowers on Mother's Day/Father's day.Day.
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMoments: A meta-example: following a sordid history of TroubledProduction, ''Princess Maker 2'' finally received an official English release in September of 2016. Not only was the release of the updated ''Refine'' version, but the game was released a week ahead of its original October date due to the anticipation buzzing around its finally coming overseas! Afterwards, the original ''Princess Maker'' and ''Princess Maker 3'' would go on to be released, giving fans a chance to play through a good chunk of the series.
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* NarmCharm: The original [=SoftEgg=] translation of ''2'' is often seen as [[ILikedItBetterWhenItSucked a lot more amusing]] than ''Refine'', with gems like Wendy's obsession with "Magician Girls!" that are less funny in the more faithful retranslation.
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* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: The [[https://youtu.be/X176FPyxBF0 Bondage Queen ending]] comes off as weirdly hilarious at times. Specially the last line...
-->'''Daughter''': [using the "surprised" sprite] "I love a good slave, do you?"
-->'''Daughter''': [using the "surprised" sprite] "I love a good slave, do you?"
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-->'''Daughter''': [using the "surprised" sprite] "I live love a good slave, do you?"
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* {{Narm}}: As a result of some games being translated...imperfectly.
* SequelDisplacement: If it wasn't for the obvious "2" in the title of the second game, most people wouldn't know the original ''Princess Maker'' even ''exists. Princess Maker 2'' is, in fact, the one that almost ''everyone'' thinks of when they think of the series (hence the reason it's the page pic for the main page), although this is admittedly largely because it was the only one to ever get an English language release until Princess Maker Refine 1 came out in 2017 (and the Refine version of Princess Maker 2 was still released in English first).
* SequelDisplacement: If it wasn't for the obvious "2" in the title of the second game, most people wouldn't know the original ''Princess Maker'' even ''exists. Princess Maker 2'' is, in fact, the one that almost ''everyone'' thinks of when they think of the series (hence the reason it's the page pic for the main page), although this is admittedly largely because it was the only one to ever get an English language release until Princess Maker Refine 1 came out in 2017 (and the Refine version of Princess Maker 2 was still released in English first).
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* {{Narm}}: As a result of [[BlindIdiotTranslation some games being translated...imperfectly.
translated... imperfectly]].
* SequelDisplacement: If it wasn't for the obvious "2" in the title of the second game, most people wouldn't know the original ''Princess Maker'' even ''exists. Princess Maker 2'' is, in fact, the one that almost ''everyone'' thinks of when they think of the series (hence the reason it's the page pic for the main page), although this is admittedly largely because it was the only one to ever get an English language release untilPrincess ''Princess Maker Refine 1 1'' came out in 2017 (and the Refine version of Princess Maker 2 was still released in English first).
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** Invoked in universe. Most of the games take place in a MedievalEuropeanFantasy setting, and as such, the daughter can marry AND have a career. In Princess Maker 5, which happens in modern Japan, [[CareerVersusMan the daughter can marry OR have a career.]] Not both.
** Even in the games where the daughter can have a career, it's often remarked on how she must have a husband and kids as well. i.e., in ''2'' the Gods are quite displeased if the girl either doesn't marry or doesn't have strong maternal instincts.
** In the second game, the General's line about how girls should not just be refined but also think of what they can do to please men may not be ill-intentioned from him, but it's pretty sexist in practice.
** Invoked in universe. Most of the games take place in a MedievalEuropeanFantasy setting, and as such, the daughter can marry AND have a career. In Princess Maker 5, which happens in modern Japan, [[CareerVersusMan the daughter can marry OR have a career.]] Not both.
** Even in the games where the daughter can have a career, it's often remarked on how she must have a husband and kids as well. i.e., in ''2'' the Gods are quite displeased if the girl either doesn't marry or doesn't have strong maternal instincts.
** In the second game, the General's line about how girls should not just be refined but also think of what they can do to please men may not be ill-intentioned from him, but it's pretty sexist in practice.
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** Invoked in universe. Most of the games take place in a MedievalEuropeanFantasy setting, and as such, the daughter can marry AND have a career. In Princess Maker 5, which happens in modern Japan, [[CareerVersusMan the daughter can marry OR have a career.]] Not both.
** Even in the games where the daughter can have a career, it's often remarked on how she must have a husband and kids as well. i.e., in ''2'' the Gods are quite displeased if the girl either doesn't marry or doesn't have strong maternal instincts.
** In the second game, the General's line about how girls should not just be refined but also think of what they can do to please men may not be ill-intentioned from him, but it's pretty sexist in practice.
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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Has a strong Korean fanbase. In fact, the newest game in the series, Princess Maker for Kakao, was Korean-made and didn't come to Japan until three years later!
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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff Koreans Love Princess Maker]]: Has a strong Korean fanbase. In fact, the newest game in the series, Princess Maker for Kakao, was Korean-made and didn't come to Japan until three years later!
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* SequelDisplacement: If it wasn't for the obvious "2" in the title of the second game, most people wouldn't know the original ''Princess Maker'' even ''exists. Princess Maker 2'' is, in fact, the one that almost ''everyone'' thinks of when they think of the series (hence the reason it's the page pic for the main page), although this is admittedly largely because it was the only one to ever get an English language release.
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* SequelDisplacement: If it wasn't for the obvious "2" in the title of the second game, most people wouldn't know the original ''Princess Maker'' even ''exists. Princess Maker 2'' is, in fact, the one that almost ''everyone'' thinks of when they think of the series (hence the reason it's the page pic for the main page), although this is admittedly largely because it was the only one to ever get an English language release.release until Princess Maker Refine 1 came out in 2017 (and the Refine version of Princess Maker 2 was still released in English first).
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* EsotericHappyEnding: Inverted: the [[http://princessmaker.wikia.com/wiki/Princess_of_Darkness_Ending_(PM2) Princess of Darkness ending]] is regarding as ''terrible'' stats-wise and the Gods will seriously scold the player... but the fandom considers it as a ''good'' ending story-wise since the Daughter achieved it by [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu killing Lucifon with her own hands]] and ended up getting lots of power in return.
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* EsotericHappyEnding: Inverted: the [[http://princessmaker.wikia.com/wiki/Princess_of_Darkness_Ending_(PM2) Princess of Darkness ending]] is regarding as ''terrible'' stats-wise and the Gods will seriously scold the player... but the fandom [[EvilIsCool considers it it]] as a ''good'' ending story-wise since the Daughter achieved it by [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu killing Lucifon with her own hands]] and ended up getting lots of power in return.
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* EsotericHappyEnding: Inverted: the [[http://princessmaker.wikia.com/wiki/Princess_of_Darkness_Ending_(PM2) Princess of Darkness ending]] is regarding as ''terrible'' stats-wise and the Gods will seriously scold the player... but the fandom considers it as a ''god'' ending story-wise since the Daughter achieved it by [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu killing Lucifon himself]] and ended up getting lots of power in return.
* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: The [[https://youtu.be/X176FPyxBF0 Bondage Queen ending]] comes off as weirdly hilarious at times.
* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: The [[https://youtu.be/X176FPyxBF0 Bondage Queen ending]] comes off as weirdly hilarious at times.
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* EsotericHappyEnding: Inverted: the [[http://princessmaker.wikia.com/wiki/Princess_of_Darkness_Ending_(PM2) Princess of Darkness ending]] is regarding as ''terrible'' stats-wise and the Gods will seriously scold the player... but the fandom considers it as a ''god'' ''good'' ending story-wise since the Daughter achieved it by [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu killing Lucifon himself]] with her own hands]] and ended up getting lots of power in return.
* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: The [[https://youtu.be/X176FPyxBF0 Bondage Queen ending]] comes off as weirdly hilarious at times. Specially the last line...
-->'''Daughter''': [using the "surprised" sprite] "I live a good slave, do you?"
* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: The [[https://youtu.be/X176FPyxBF0 Bondage Queen ending]] comes off as weirdly hilarious at times. Specially the last line...
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* EsotericHappyEnding: Inverted: the [[http://princessmaker.wikia.com/wiki/Princess_of_Darkness_Ending_(PM2) Princess of Darkness ending]] is regarding as ''terrible'' stats-wise and the Gods will seriously scold the player... but the fandom considers it as a ''god'' ending story-wise since the Daughter achieved it by [[DidYouJustPunchOutChtulhu [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu killing Lucifon himself]] and ended up getting lots of power in return.
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** Invokved in universe. Most of the games take place in a MedievalEuropeanFantasy setting, and as such, the daughter can marry AND have a career. In Princess Maker 5, which happens in modern Japan, [[CareerVersusMan the daughter can marry OR have a career.]] Not both.
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** Invokved Invoked in universe. Most of the games take place in a MedievalEuropeanFantasy setting, and as such, the daughter can marry AND have a career. In Princess Maker 5, which happens in modern Japan, [[CareerVersusMan the daughter can marry OR have a career.]] Not both.
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* AwesomeMoments: A meta-example: following a sordid history of TroubledProduction, ''Princess Maker 2'' finally received an official English release in September of 2016. Not only was the release of the updated ''Refine'' version, but the game was released a week ahead of its original October date due to the anticipation buzzing around its finally coming overseas!
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* AwesomeMoments: SugarWiki/AwesomeMoments: A meta-example: following a sordid history of TroubledProduction, ''Princess Maker 2'' finally received an official English release in September of 2016. Not only was the release of the updated ''Refine'' version, but the game was released a week ahead of its original October date due to the anticipation buzzing around its finally coming overseas!
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* EsotericHappyEnding: Inverted: the [[http://princessmaker.wikia.com/wiki/Princess_of_Darkness_Ending_(PM2) Princess of Darkness ending]] is regarding as ''terrible'' stats-wise and the Gods will seriously scold the player... but the fandom considers it as a ''god'' ending story-wise since the Daughter achieved it by [[DidYouJustPunchOutChtulhu killing Lucifon himself]] and ended up getting lots of power in return.
* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: The [[https://youtu.be/X176FPyxBF0 Bondage Queen ending]] comes off as weirdly hilarious at times.
* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: The [[https://youtu.be/X176FPyxBF0 Bondage Queen ending]] comes off as weirdly hilarious at times.
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* HollywoodPudgy: Your daughter cannot wear the more fancy dresses when she is 'overweight'. In [=PM4=], she counts as overweight when she weighs ''50 kg'', regardless of what age she is at.
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* TearJerker: Thanks to VideoGameCaringPotential, the 18th year. You get attached to your daughter, and then you're sad, either because you're wistful that you'll have to leave her behind, or you're happy for how she's turned out, or sad for her...
** On the other hand, if you allow your daughter to succumb to illness and die, you will get chewed out by her patron deity, and if you have any kind of soul, you'll feel as though you deserved it.
** On the other hand, if you allow your daughter to succumb to illness and die, you will get chewed out by her patron deity, and if you have any kind of soul, you'll feel as though you deserved it.
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* TearJerker: Thanks to VideoGameCaringPotential, the 18th year. You get The player gets attached to your the daughter, and then you're he or she is sad, either because you're he/she's wistful that you'll they'll have to leave her behind, or you're they're happy for how she's turned out, or sad for her...
** On the other hand, ifyou allow your ther player allows the daughter to succumb to illness and die, you they will get chewed out by her patron deity, and if you have the player has any kind of soul, you'll they'll feel as though you they'll deserved it.
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** Invokved in universe. Most of the games take place in a MedievalEuropeanFantasy setting, and as such, the daughter can marry AND have a career. In Princess Maker 5, which takes place happens in modern Japan, [[CareerVersusMan the daughter can marry OR have a career.]] Not both.both.
** In the second game, the General's line about how girls should not just be refined but also think of what they can do to please men may not be ill-intentioned from him, but it's pretty sexist in practice.
** In the second game, the General's line about how girls should not just be refined but also think of what they can do to please men may not be ill-intentioned from him, but it's pretty sexist in practice.
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* AwesomeMoments: A meta-example: following a sordid history of TroubledDevelopment, ''Princess Maker 2'' finally received an official English release in September of 2016. Not only was the release of the updated ''Refine'' version, but the game was released a week ahead of its original October date due to the anticipation buzzing around its finally coming overseas!
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* AwesomeMoments: A meta-example: following a sordid history of TroubledDevelopment, TroubledProduction, ''Princess Maker 2'' finally received an official English release in September of 2016. Not only was the release of the updated ''Refine'' version, but the game was released a week ahead of its original October date due to the anticipation buzzing around its finally coming overseas!
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* HollywoodPudgy: Your daughter cannot wear the more fancy dresses when she is 'overweight'. In [=PM4=], she counts as overweight when she weighs ''50 kg'', regardless of what age she is at.
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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Has a strong Korean fanbase. In fact, the sixth game in the series, Princess Maker for Kakao, was Korean-made and didn't come to Japan until three years later!
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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Has a strong Korean fanbase. In fact, the sixth newest game in the series, Princess Maker for Kakao, was Korean-made and didn't come to Japan until three years later!
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** On the other hand, if you allow your daughter to succumb to illness and die, you will get chewed out by her patron deity, and if you have any kind of soul, you'll feel as though you deserved it.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Cube from [=PM2=] proved to be so popular that he appears in [[PetitePrincessYucie the Anime]], and Games 4 and 5.
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** And, ironically, in the latest [[RuleThirtyFour Slavemaker]] game.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Cube from [=PM2=] proved to be so popular that he appears in [[PetitePrincessYucie [[Anime/PetitePrincessYucie the Anime]], and Games 4 and 5.
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** Male players are neutral towards him, seeing him as non-threatening at best. (it helps that he doesn't play a bigger role) However, many female players (yes, a good chunk of players are women) adore this cute dark-skinned demon nobleman.
** He seems popular with with some of the guys considering that, besides the father, he is the only one who actually have any sort of real relationship with the girl.
** He seems popular with with some of the guys considering that, besides the father, he is the only one who actually have any sort of real relationship with the girl.
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* FetishFuel - Aside from the {{Lolicon}} aspect, [[{{Squick}} or ignoring it]], each of the daughters grows up to be quite a looker, and the outfits they wear in the endings are [[{{Stripperiffic}} often quite hot]].
** You can buy bust-enhancing pills for your daughter. I repeat, you can buy ''[[BreastExpansion bust-enhancing pills]]'' for your ''[[{{Squick}} daughter]]''.
** A cheat code allows the daughter to wear the [[InnocentFanserviceGirl "Un-dress."]] And go to the Dance competition naked. Let's repeat that - your daughter will perform a dance in the nude in front of thirty other women and a Judge, and no one will note this. [[WidgetSeries This is obviously a Japanese game.]]
** The second game also has a stat called "Charisma". And it's her ''sex appeal''. Therefore, it's possible to invoke this trope to other in-game people, too! Make it high enough, your daughter will start making a sexy face and many a fat suitor coming to your door for her hand!
*** This gets increased simply by dancing. So you'd have a ten year old running around giving everyone the hots for her from doing ballet.
* FetishFuel - Aside from the {{Lolicon}} aspect, [[{{Squick}} or ignoring it]], each of the daughters grows up to be quite a looker, and the outfits they wear in the endings are [[{{Stripperiffic}} often quite hot]].
** You can buy bust-enhancing pills for your daughter. I repeat, you can buy ''[[BreastExpansion bust-enhancing pills]]'' for your ''[[{{Squick}} daughter]]''.
** A cheat code allows the daughter to wear the [[InnocentFanserviceGirl "Un-dress."]] And go to the Dance competition naked. Let's repeat that - your daughter will perform a dance in the nude in front of thirty other women and a Judge, and no one will note this. [[WidgetSeries This is obviously a Japanese game.]]
** The second game also has a stat called "Charisma". And it's her ''sex appeal''. Therefore, it's possible to invoke this trope to other in-game people, too! Make it high enough, your daughter will start making a sexy face and many a fat suitor coming to your door for her hand!
*** This gets increased simply by dancing. So you'd have a ten year old running around giving everyone the hots for her from doing ballet.
