History YMMV / PrincessMaker

27th Jun '17 10:03:52 AM superkeijikun
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMoments: A meta-example: following a sordid history of TroubledProduction, ''Princess Maker 2'' finally received an official English release in September of 2016. Not only was the release of the updated ''Refine'' version, but the game was released a week ahead of its original October date due to the anticipation buzzing around its finally coming overseas!

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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMoments: A meta-example: following a sordid history of TroubledProduction, ''Princess Maker 2'' finally received an official English release in September of 2016. Not only was the release of the updated ''Refine'' version, but the game was released a week ahead of its original October date due to the anticipation buzzing around its finally coming overseas! Afterwards, the original ''Princess Maker'' and ''Princess Maker 3'' would go on to be released, giving fans a chance to play through a good chunk of the series.
21st May '17 1:51:33 PM Ramidel
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* NarmCharm: The original [=SoftEgg=] translation of ''2'' is often seen as [[ILikedItBetterWhenItSucked a lot more amusing]] than ''Refine'', with gems like Wendy's obsession with "Magician Girls!" that are less funny in the more faithful retranslation.
9th Apr '17 7:15:47 PM GlitteringFlowers
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* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: The [[https://youtu.be/X176FPyxBF0 Bondage Queen ending]] comes off as weirdly hilarious at times. Specially the last line...
-->'''Daughter''': [using the "surprised" sprite] "I love a good slave, do you?"
9th Apr '17 7:05:32 PM GlitteringFlowers
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-->'''Daughter''': [using the "surprised" sprite] "I live a good slave, do you?"

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-->'''Daughter''': [using the "surprised" sprite] "I live love a good slave, do you?"



* {{Narm}}: As a result of some games being translated...imperfectly.
* SequelDisplacement: If it wasn't for the obvious "2" in the title of the second game, most people wouldn't know the original ''Princess Maker'' even ''exists. Princess Maker 2'' is, in fact, the one that almost ''everyone'' thinks of when they think of the series (hence the reason it's the page pic for the main page), although this is admittedly largely because it was the only one to ever get an English language release until Princess Maker Refine 1 came out in 2017 (and the Refine version of Princess Maker 2 was still released in English first).

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* {{Narm}}: As a result of [[BlindIdiotTranslation some games being translated...imperfectly.
translated... imperfectly]].
* SequelDisplacement: If it wasn't for the obvious "2" in the title of the second game, most people wouldn't know the original ''Princess Maker'' even ''exists. Princess Maker 2'' is, in fact, the one that almost ''everyone'' thinks of when they think of the series (hence the reason it's the page pic for the main page), although this is admittedly largely because it was the only one to ever get an English language release until Princess ''Princess Maker Refine 1 1'' came out in 2017 (and the Refine version of Princess Maker 2 was still released in English first).
8th Apr '17 9:34:30 AM Ramidel
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* ValuesDissonance:
** Invoked in universe. Most of the games take place in a MedievalEuropeanFantasy setting, and as such, the daughter can marry AND have a career. In Princess Maker 5, which happens in modern Japan, [[CareerVersusMan the daughter can marry OR have a career.]] Not both.
** Even in the games where the daughter can have a career, it's often remarked on how she must have a husband and kids as well. i.e., in ''2'' the Gods are quite displeased if the girl either doesn't marry or doesn't have strong maternal instincts.
** In the second game, the General's line about how girls should not just be refined but also think of what they can do to please men may not be ill-intentioned from him, but it's pretty sexist in practice.

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* ValuesDissonance:
** Invoked in universe. Most of the games take place in a MedievalEuropeanFantasy setting, and as such, the daughter can marry AND have a career. In Princess Maker 5, which happens in modern Japan, [[CareerVersusMan the daughter can marry OR have a career.]] Not both.
** Even in the games where the daughter can have a career, it's often remarked on how she must have a husband and kids as well. i.e., in ''2'' the Gods are quite displeased if the girl either doesn't marry or doesn't have strong maternal instincts.
** In the second game, the General's line about how girls should not just be refined but also think of what they can do to please men may not be ill-intentioned from him, but it's pretty sexist in practice.
24th Feb '17 5:50:30 PM TristanJeremiah
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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Has a strong Korean fanbase. In fact, the newest game in the series, Princess Maker for Kakao, was Korean-made and didn't come to Japan until three years later!

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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff Koreans Love Princess Maker]]: Has a strong Korean fanbase. In fact, the newest game in the series, Princess Maker for Kakao, was Korean-made and didn't come to Japan until three years later!
17th Feb '17 6:32:45 PM JustaUsername
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* SequelDisplacement: If it wasn't for the obvious "2" in the title of the second game, most people wouldn't know the original ''Princess Maker'' even ''exists. Princess Maker 2'' is, in fact, the one that almost ''everyone'' thinks of when they think of the series (hence the reason it's the page pic for the main page), although this is admittedly largely because it was the only one to ever get an English language release.

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* SequelDisplacement: If it wasn't for the obvious "2" in the title of the second game, most people wouldn't know the original ''Princess Maker'' even ''exists. Princess Maker 2'' is, in fact, the one that almost ''everyone'' thinks of when they think of the series (hence the reason it's the page pic for the main page), although this is admittedly largely because it was the only one to ever get an English language release.release until Princess Maker Refine 1 came out in 2017 (and the Refine version of Princess Maker 2 was still released in English first).
23rd Jan '17 5:40:49 PM Argon2
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* {{Narm}}: As a result of some games being translated...imperfectly.
11th Jan '17 7:04:57 AM LondonKdS
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* EsotericHappyEnding: Inverted: the [[http://princessmaker.wikia.com/wiki/Princess_of_Darkness_Ending_(PM2) Princess of Darkness ending]] is regarding as ''terrible'' stats-wise and the Gods will seriously scold the player... but the fandom considers it as a ''good'' ending story-wise since the Daughter achieved it by [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu killing Lucifon with her own hands]] and ended up getting lots of power in return.

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* EsotericHappyEnding: Inverted: the [[http://princessmaker.wikia.com/wiki/Princess_of_Darkness_Ending_(PM2) Princess of Darkness ending]] is regarding as ''terrible'' stats-wise and the Gods will seriously scold the player... but the fandom [[EvilIsCool considers it it]] as a ''good'' ending story-wise since the Daughter achieved it by [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu killing Lucifon with her own hands]] and ended up getting lots of power in return.
5th Dec '16 7:27:57 AM GlitteringFlowers
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* ValuesDissonance: See the {{Squick}}y endings.

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* ValuesDissonance: See the {{Squick}}y endings.ValuesDissonance:


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** Even in the games where the daughter can have a career, it's often remarked on how she must have a husband and kids as well. i.e., in ''2'' the Gods are quite displeased if the girl either doesn't marry or doesn't have strong maternal instincts.
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