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** The whole Fairy typing is actually based on TheFairFolk. [[ColdIron Iron being a weakness of magical creatures]] isn't exactly common knowledge[[note]]Even ''Website/{{Smogon}}'' has been found guilty of ComicallyMissingThePoint [[http://www.smogon.com/smog/issue29/fairies on this]][[/note]]. Likewise, their strengths against the Dragon-type come from certain legends; for example, [[KingArthur Lancelot]] was raised by fairies and is said to have been a dragonslayer.
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** The whole Fairy typing is actually based on TheFairFolk. [[ColdIron Iron being a weakness of magical creatures]] isn't exactly common knowledge[[note]]Even ''Website/{{Smogon}}'' has been found guilty of ComicallyMissingThePoint [[http://www.smogon.com/smog/issue29/fairies on this]][[/note]]. Likewise, their strengths against the Dragon-type come from certain legends; for example, [[KingArthur [[Myth/ArthurianLegend Lancelot]] was raised by fairies and is said to have been a dragonslayer.
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*** Tyrunt and Tyrantrum, the [[OurDragonsAreDifferent Dragon]]-type ''[[TRexpy Tyrannosaurus rex]]''-like Pokémon. Fans had been clamoring for a Pokémon directly based on ''T. rex'' for ages and tend to take kindly to Dragon-types, so it's no surprise that Tyrantrum was voted [[http://www.dorkly.com/article/57168/toplist-results-the-15-greatest-generation-vi-pokemon/page:5 the second most popular Gen VI Pokémon]] by Dorkly users, only behind BreakoutCharacter Greninja. Some fans lament the fact that the line is one of the most merchandise-barren in the entire Pokémon franchise, with Tyrantrum in particular getting ''no'' official figures or plush until 2019 when [[ThrowTheDogABone it was included in a promotional minifigure set completing the Kalos Pokédex]].
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*** Tyrunt and Tyrantrum, the [[OurDragonsAreDifferent [[DinosaursAreDragons Dragon]]-type ''[[TRexpy Tyrannosaurus rex]]''-like Pokémon. Fans had been clamoring for a Pokémon directly based on ''T. rex'' for ages and tend to take kindly to Dragon-types, so it's no surprise that Tyrantrum was voted [[http://www.dorkly.com/article/57168/toplist-results-the-15-greatest-generation-vi-pokemon/page:5 the second most popular Gen VI Pokémon]] by Dorkly users, only behind BreakoutCharacter Greninja. Some fans lament the fact that the line is one of the most merchandise-barren in the entire Pokémon franchise, with Tyrantrum in particular getting ''no'' official figures or plush until 2019 when [[ThrowTheDogABone it was included in a promotional minifigure set completing the Kalos Pokédex]].
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** [[VideoGame3DLeap The transition from 2D sprites to 3D models.]] While there's no denying that many of the models are pretty and many think they blend in well with the stereoscopic 3D, [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks some think they aren't as cool as the Gen V animations were]]; many Fire-types have SpecialEffectsFailure with their body flames, and many flying Pokémon with wings are showing hovering in place in a very {{Narm}}y way ([[http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-xy/277.shtml Swellow]] is probably the best/worst example of this one) since they have to use the same models for Sky Battles. There's also the fact that ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' was ''Creator/{{Nintendo}}'''s only major IP that didn't make the VideoGame3DLeap yet (even ''Franchise/{{Kirby}}'' games had started to mostly use 3D models), and many 2D sprite fans found it refreshing they stuck to them for so long. Others think it was about time they did it and were happy with the results.
** Mega Evolution. The fact that it is a temporary evolution, the fact that only select Pokémon get the form (and on top of that [[PanderingToTheBase Mewtwo and Charizard getting two apiece]]), the designs of the forms, and some forms getting new typings has led to many arguments over the matter. Which Megas are [[GameBreaker broken]], and which are [[PowerUpLetdown outclassed by their base forms]], is greatly debated. Then of course, there are those who simply hate the designs of most or all the Mega Evolutions, seeing them as over-designing [[NostalgiaFilter perfectly-fine older Pokémon]] to try to match the design styles used in the later generations.
** The music. Some think ''Pokémon X'' and ''Y''[='=]s soundtrack a solid entry in the series, while others find it painfully bland compared to that of other games. The end credits song "KISEKI", in particular, is seen as either heartwarming and beautiful or pretentious and unfitting, particularly as its lyrics aren't actually sung; many fans agree that the concept of a Nintendo song with lyrics was built upon better with "[[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Lost in Thoughts All Alone]]", "[[VideoGame/SuperMarioOdyssey Jump Up, Super Star!]]" and "[[VideoGame/SuperSmashBrosUltimate Lifelight]]", all of which have sung lyrics and varying moods.
** The main plot. On the one hand, there are those who consider it a step back from ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite'' for various reasons, including flat characterisation, less involved Gym Leaders, less detailed (and [[spoiler:apart from AZ,]] [[TrueArtIsAngsty less tragic]]) backstories, and a smaller post-game. On the other, there are those who felt the story in ''Black'' and ''White'' was melodramatic and overblown (and point out that the post-game of the original ''Black'' and ''White'' was also small - not as much as ''X'' and ''Y'' but not as large as [[VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2 their own sequels]]), and see ''X'' and ''Y'' as a nice step back to the more conventional plots of the series.
** The [[ItsEasySoItSucks low difficulty]] of the single-player game when using EXP Share. Some people think it makes the story battles too boring, others think it is great because it allows players to use whatever Pokémon they like rather than sticking to the best ones. However, if one doesn't use the EXP Share, they'll quickly find it's nowhere near as easy.
** The addition of the rollerblades; some find them to be RollerbladeGood and a nice way to get around quickly while others consider it a ScrappyMechanic, especially since it's impossible to remove them, unlike a bike.
** A common debate is whether these games or ''Omega Ruby'' and ''Alpha Sapphire'' are the superior Gen VI games. Supporters of ''X'' and ''Y'' tend to enjoy the hugely expanded Pokédex and the return of Gen I favorites, Trainer customization, the Friend Safari and the Kalos region itself. Supporters of ''ORAS'' cite the wider variety of features, more balanced difficulty, greater level of polish, more extensive postgame, wider variety of obtainable starters and legendaries, and the Delta Episode. Of note is the fact that both sets of games [[PanderingToTheBase attempt to pander to nostalgic fans]], albeit in different ways, and also have deeper and more involved plots than previous ''Pokémon'' games.
** The games marked an overall change in direction for the ''Pokémon'' series (after the previous one attempted by ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite''), with a focus on streamlined, casualized main plots, larger regional Pokédexes that rely heavily on past generations (especially [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue Gen I]]), and more user-friendly competitive breeding and training in favor of fewer postgame features. Some fans highly enjoyed these changes (as shown by the greater sales and mainstream attention of ''X'' and ''Y'' and subsequent games), while others did not.
** [[VideoGame3DLeap The transition from 2D sprites to 3D models.]] While there's no denying that many of the models are pretty and many think they blend in well with the stereoscopic 3D, [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks some think they aren't as cool as the Gen V animations were]]; many Fire-types have SpecialEffectsFailure with their body flames, and many flying Pokémon with wings are showing hovering in place in a very {{Narm}}y way ([[http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-xy/277.shtml Swellow]] is probably the best/worst example of this one) since they have to use the same models for Sky Battles. There's also the fact that ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' was ''Creator/{{Nintendo}}'''s only major IP that didn't make the VideoGame3DLeap yet (even ''Franchise/{{Kirby}}'' games had started to mostly use 3D models), and many 2D sprite fans found it refreshing they stuck to them for so long. Others think it was about time they did it and were happy with the results.
** Mega Evolution. The fact that it is a temporary evolution, the fact that only select Pokémon get the form (and on top of that [[PanderingToTheBase Mewtwo and Charizard getting two apiece]]), the designs of the forms, and some forms getting new typings has led to many arguments over the matter. Which Megas are [[GameBreaker broken]], and which are [[PowerUpLetdown outclassed by their base forms]], is greatly debated. Then of course, there are those who simply hate the designs of most or all the Mega Evolutions, seeing them as over-designing [[NostalgiaFilter perfectly-fine older Pokémon]] to try to match the design styles used in the later generations.
** The music. Some think ''Pokémon X'' and ''Y''[='=]s soundtrack a solid entry in the series, while others find it painfully bland compared to that of other games. The end credits song "KISEKI", in particular, is seen as either heartwarming and beautiful or pretentious and unfitting, particularly as its lyrics aren't actually sung; many fans agree that the concept of a Nintendo song with lyrics was built upon better with "[[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Lost in Thoughts All Alone]]", "[[VideoGame/SuperMarioOdyssey Jump Up, Super Star!]]" and "[[VideoGame/SuperSmashBrosUltimate Lifelight]]", all of which have sung lyrics and varying moods.
** The main plot. On the one hand, there are those who consider it a step back from ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite'' for various reasons, including flat characterisation, less involved Gym Leaders, less detailed (and [[spoiler:apart from AZ,]] [[TrueArtIsAngsty less tragic]]) backstories, and a smaller post-game. On the other, there are those who felt the story in ''Black'' and ''White'' was melodramatic and overblown (and point out that the post-game of the original ''Black'' and ''White'' was also small - not as much as ''X'' and ''Y'' but not as large as [[VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2 their own sequels]]), and see ''X'' and ''Y'' as a nice step back to the more conventional plots of the series.
** The [[ItsEasySoItSucks low difficulty]] of the single-player game when using EXP Share. Some people think it makes the story battles too boring, others think it is great because it allows players to use whatever Pokémon they like rather than sticking to the best ones. However, if one doesn't use the EXP Share, they'll quickly find it's nowhere near as easy.
** The addition of the rollerblades; some find them to be RollerbladeGood and a nice way to get around quickly while others consider it a ScrappyMechanic, especially since it's impossible to remove them, unlike a bike.
** A common debate is whether these games or ''Omega Ruby'' and ''Alpha Sapphire'' are the superior Gen VI games. Supporters of ''X'' and ''Y'' tend to enjoy the hugely expanded Pokédex and the return of Gen I favorites, Trainer customization, the Friend Safari and the Kalos region itself. Supporters of ''ORAS'' cite the wider variety of features, more balanced difficulty, greater level of polish, more extensive postgame, wider variety of obtainable starters and legendaries, and the Delta Episode. Of note is the fact that both sets of games [[PanderingToTheBase attempt to pander to nostalgic fans]], albeit in different ways, and also have deeper and more involved plots than previous ''Pokémon'' games.
** The games marked an overall change in direction for the ''Pokémon'' series (after the previous one attempted by ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite''), with a focus on streamlined, casualized main plots, larger regional Pokédexes that rely heavily on past generations (especially [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue Gen I]]), and more user-friendly competitive breeding and training in favor of fewer postgame features. Some fans highly enjoyed these changes (as shown by the greater sales and mainstream attention of ''X'' and ''Y'' and subsequent games), while others did not.
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** [[VideoGame3DLeap The transition from 2D sprites to 3D models.]] While there's no denying that many of the models are pretty and many think they blend in wellBrokenBase: [[BrokenBase/{{Pokemon}} Shares a page with the stereoscopic 3D, [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks some think they aren't as cool as the Gen V animations were]]; many Fire-types have SpecialEffectsFailure with their body flames, and many flying Pokémon with wings are showing hovering in place in a very {{Narm}}y way ([[http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-xy/277.shtml Swellow]] is probably the best/worst example of this one) since they have to use the same models for Sky Battles. There's also the fact that ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' was ''Creator/{{Nintendo}}'''s only major IP that didn't make the VideoGame3DLeap yet (even ''Franchise/{{Kirby}}'' games had started to mostly use 3D models), and many 2D sprite fans found it refreshing they stuck to them for so long. Others think it was about time they did it and were happy with the results.
** Mega Evolution. The fact that it is a temporary evolution, the fact that only select Pokémon get the form (and on top of that [[PanderingToTheBase Mewtwo and Charizard getting two apiece]]), the designsrest of the forms, and some forms getting new typings has led to many arguments over the matter. Which Megas are [[GameBreaker broken]], and which are [[PowerUpLetdown outclassed by their base forms]], is greatly debated. Then of course, there are those who simply hate the designs of most or all the Mega Evolutions, seeing them as over-designing [[NostalgiaFilter perfectly-fine older Pokémon]] to try to match the design styles used in the later generations.
** The music. Some think ''Pokémon X'' and ''Y''[='=]s soundtrack a solid entry in the series, while others find it painfully bland compared to that of other games. The end credits song "KISEKI", in particular, is seen as either heartwarming and beautiful or pretentious and unfitting, particularly as its lyrics aren't actually sung; many fans agree that the concept of a Nintendo song with lyrics was built upon better with "[[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Lost in Thoughts All Alone]]", "[[VideoGame/SuperMarioOdyssey Jump Up, Super Star!]]" and "[[VideoGame/SuperSmashBrosUltimate Lifelight]]", all of which have sung lyrics and varying moods.
** The main plot. On the one hand, there are those who consider it a step back from ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite'' for various reasons, including flat characterisation, less involved Gym Leaders, less detailed (and [[spoiler:apart from AZ,]] [[TrueArtIsAngsty less tragic]]) backstories, and a smaller post-game. On the other, there are those who felt the story in ''Black'' and ''White'' was melodramatic and overblown (and point out that the post-game of the original ''Black'' and ''White'' was also small - not as much as ''X'' and ''Y'' but not as large as [[VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2 their own sequels]]), and see ''X'' and ''Y'' as a nice step back to the more conventional plots of the series.
** The [[ItsEasySoItSucks low difficulty]] of the single-player game when using EXP Share. Some people think it makes the story battles too boring, others think it is great because it allows players to use whatever Pokémon they like rather than sticking to the best ones. However, if one doesn't use the EXP Share, they'll quickly find it's nowhere near as easy.
** The addition of the rollerblades; some find them to be RollerbladeGood and a nice way to get around quickly while others consider it a ScrappyMechanic, especially since it's impossible to remove them, unlike a bike.
** A common debate is whether these games or ''Omega Ruby'' and ''Alpha Sapphire'' are the superior Gen VI games. Supporters of ''X'' and ''Y'' tend to enjoy the hugely expanded Pokédex and the return of Gen I favorites, Trainer customization, the Friend Safari and the Kalos region itself. Supporters of ''ORAS'' cite the wider variety of features, more balanced difficulty, greater level of polish, more extensive postgame, wider variety of obtainable starters and legendaries, and the Delta Episode. Of note is the fact that both sets of games [[PanderingToTheBase attempt to pander to nostalgic fans]], albeit in different ways, and also have deeper and more involved plots than previous ''Pokémon'' games.
** The games marked an overall change in direction for the ''Pokémon'' series (after the previous one attempted by ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite''), with a focus on streamlined, casualized main plots, larger regional Pokédexes that rely heavily on past generations (especially [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue Gen I]]), and more user-friendly competitive breeding and training in favor of fewer postgame features. Some fans highly enjoyed these changes (as shown by the greater sales and mainstream attention of ''X'' and ''Y'' and subsequent games), while others did not.franchise.]]
** [[VideoGame3DLeap The transition from 2D sprites to 3D models.]] While there's no denying that many of the models are pretty and many think they blend in well
** Mega Evolution. The fact that it is a temporary evolution, the fact that only select Pokémon get the form (and on top of that [[PanderingToTheBase Mewtwo and Charizard getting two apiece]]), the designs
** The music. Some think ''Pokémon X'' and ''Y''[='=]s soundtrack a solid entry in the series, while others find it painfully bland compared to that of other games. The end credits song "KISEKI", in particular, is seen as either heartwarming and beautiful or pretentious and unfitting, particularly as its lyrics aren't actually sung; many fans agree that the concept of a Nintendo song with lyrics was built upon better with "[[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Lost in Thoughts All Alone]]", "[[VideoGame/SuperMarioOdyssey Jump Up, Super Star!]]" and "[[VideoGame/SuperSmashBrosUltimate Lifelight]]", all of which have sung lyrics and varying moods.
** The main plot. On the one hand, there are those who consider it a step back from ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite'' for various reasons, including flat characterisation, less involved Gym Leaders, less detailed (and [[spoiler:apart from AZ,]] [[TrueArtIsAngsty less tragic]]) backstories, and a smaller post-game. On the other, there are those who felt the story in ''Black'' and ''White'' was melodramatic and overblown (and point out that the post-game of the original ''Black'' and ''White'' was also small - not as much as ''X'' and ''Y'' but not as large as [[VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2 their own sequels]]), and see ''X'' and ''Y'' as a nice step back to the more conventional plots of the series.
** The [[ItsEasySoItSucks low difficulty]] of the single-player game when using EXP Share. Some people think it makes the story battles too boring, others think it is great because it allows players to use whatever Pokémon they like rather than sticking to the best ones. However, if one doesn't use the EXP Share, they'll quickly find it's nowhere near as easy.
** The addition of the rollerblades; some find them to be RollerbladeGood and a nice way to get around quickly while others consider it a ScrappyMechanic, especially since it's impossible to remove them, unlike a bike.
** A common debate is whether these games or ''Omega Ruby'' and ''Alpha Sapphire'' are the superior Gen VI games. Supporters of ''X'' and ''Y'' tend to enjoy the hugely expanded Pokédex and the return of Gen I favorites, Trainer customization, the Friend Safari and the Kalos region itself. Supporters of ''ORAS'' cite the wider variety of features, more balanced difficulty, greater level of polish, more extensive postgame, wider variety of obtainable starters and legendaries, and the Delta Episode. Of note is the fact that both sets of games [[PanderingToTheBase attempt to pander to nostalgic fans]], albeit in different ways, and also have deeper and more involved plots than previous ''Pokémon'' games.
** The games marked an overall change in direction for the ''Pokémon'' series (after the previous one attempted by ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite''), with a focus on streamlined, casualized main plots, larger regional Pokédexes that rely heavily on past generations (especially [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue Gen I]]), and more user-friendly competitive breeding and training in favor of fewer postgame features. Some fans highly enjoyed these changes (as shown by the greater sales and mainstream attention of ''X'' and ''Y'' and subsequent games), while others did not.
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** If Infinity Energy sounds like nuclear power and the Ultimate Weapon a FantasticNuke, that was likely intentional: France has the third-largest nuclear weapon stockpile behind Russia and the United States, built by some of the smartest nuclear physicists in the world, and was among the last countries with nuclear weapons to sign a nuclear treaty (at least among countries that have signed any at all).
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** If Infinity Energy sounds like nuclear power and the Ultimate Weapon a FantasticNuke, that was likely intentional: France has the third-largest nuclear weapon stockpile behind Russia and the United States, built by some of the smartest nuclear physicists in the world, and was among the last countries with nuclear weapons to sign a nuclear treaty (at least among countries that have signed any at all). In addition, modern-day France gets its electricity primarily via nuclear energy, not unlike how Infinity Energy is depicted.
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** If Infinity Energy sounds like nuclear power and the Ultimate Weapon a FantasticNuke, that was likely intentional: France has the third-largest nuclear weapon stockpile behind Russia and the United States, built by some of the smartest nuclear physicists in the world, and was among the last countries with nuclear weapons to sign a nuclear treaty (at least among countries that have signed any at all).
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*** Tyrunt and Tyrantrum, the [[OurDragonsAreDifferent Dragon]]-type ''[[TRexpy Tyrannosaurus rex]]''-like Pokémon. Fans had been clamoring for a Pokémon directly based on ''T. rex'' for ages and tend to take kindly to [[InstantAwesomeJustAddDragons Dragon-types]], so it's no surprise that Tyrantrum was voted [[http://www.dorkly.com/article/57168/toplist-results-the-15-greatest-generation-vi-pokemon/page:5 the second most popular Gen VI Pokémon]] by Dorkly users, only behind BreakoutCharacter Greninja. Some fans lament the fact that the line is one of the most merchandise-barren in the entire Pokémon franchise, with Tyrantrum in particular getting ''no'' official figures or plush until 2019 when [[ThrowTheDogABone it was included in a promotional minifigure set completing the Kalos Pokédex]].
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*** Tyrunt and Tyrantrum, the [[OurDragonsAreDifferent Dragon]]-type ''[[TRexpy Tyrannosaurus rex]]''-like Pokémon. Fans had been clamoring for a Pokémon directly based on ''T. rex'' for ages and tend to take kindly to [[InstantAwesomeJustAddDragons Dragon-types]], Dragon-types, so it's no surprise that Tyrantrum was voted [[http://www.dorkly.com/article/57168/toplist-results-the-15-greatest-generation-vi-pokemon/page:5 the second most popular Gen VI Pokémon]] by Dorkly users, only behind BreakoutCharacter Greninja. Some fans lament the fact that the line is one of the most merchandise-barren in the entire Pokémon franchise, with Tyrantrum in particular getting ''no'' official figures or plush until 2019 when [[ThrowTheDogABone it was included in a promotional minifigure set completing the Kalos Pokédex]].
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*** Tyrunt and Tyrantrum, the [[OurDragonsAreDifferent Dragon]]-type ''TyrannosaurusRex'' Pokémon. Fans had been clamoring for a Pokémon directly based on ''T. rex'' for ages and tend to take kindly to [[InstantAwesomeJustAddDragons Dragon-types]], so it's no surprise that Tyrantrum was voted [[http://www.dorkly.com/article/57168/toplist-results-the-15-greatest-generation-vi-pokemon/page:5 the second most popular Gen VI Pokémon]] by Dorkly users, only behind BreakoutCharacter Greninja. Some fans lament the fact that the line is one of the most merchandise-barren in the entire Pokémon franchise, with Tyrantrum in particular getting ''no'' official figures or plush until 2019 when [[ThrowTheDogABone it was included in a promotional minifigure set completing the Kalos Pokédex]].
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*** Tyrunt and Tyrantrum, the [[OurDragonsAreDifferent Dragon]]-type ''TyrannosaurusRex'' ''[[TRexpy Tyrannosaurus rex]]''-like Pokémon. Fans had been clamoring for a Pokémon directly based on ''T. rex'' for ages and tend to take kindly to [[InstantAwesomeJustAddDragons Dragon-types]], so it's no surprise that Tyrantrum was voted [[http://www.dorkly.com/article/57168/toplist-results-the-15-greatest-generation-vi-pokemon/page:5 the second most popular Gen VI Pokémon]] by Dorkly users, only behind BreakoutCharacter Greninja. Some fans lament the fact that the line is one of the most merchandise-barren in the entire Pokémon franchise, with Tyrantrum in particular getting ''no'' official figures or plush until 2019 when [[ThrowTheDogABone it was included in a promotional minifigure set completing the Kalos Pokédex]].
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* AlternateSelfShipping: Due to the ability to choose between three designs of Calem and Serena, people ship the canon design, AmbiguouslyBrown design, and blue eyed design.
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** The Fairy-type also has created ''countless'' memes relating to ''WesternAnimation/TheFairlyOddParents'', especially with Mr. Crocker's [[{{Catchphrase "FAIRY GODPARENTS!!"]], even when the type was just a rumor.
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** The Fairy-type also has created ''countless'' memes relating to ''WesternAnimation/TheFairlyOddParents'', especially with Mr. Crocker's [[{{Catchphrase [[{{Catchphrase}} "FAIRY GODPARENTS!!"]], even when the type was just a rumor.
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** The Fairy-type also has created ''countless'' memes relating to ''WesternAnimation/TheFairlyOddParents'', especially with Mr. Crocker's [[{{Catchphrase "FAIRY GODPARENTS!!"]], even when the type was just a rumor.
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** [[spoiler:Lysandre's]] "outfit" during the final confrontation with them. It's especially bad since the only part of it that actually contributes to the fight could have easily been included without the rest of the additions. [[spoiler:Shauna lampshades how ridiculous he looks herself.]]
** Team Flare in general. Their bright orange outfits, tendency to strike poses before battles, and the way they constantly talk about beauty and/or try to act cool makes them more silly than threatening.
** Some might have this reaction to [[spoiler:Lysandre]] crying. That he's crying and for why is pretty sad. The actual image of it and the fact that it comes right out of nowhere, followed by a quick zoom-in transition to the rival's face on the other hand...
** Team Flare in general. Their bright orange outfits, tendency to strike poses before battles, and the way they constantly talk about beauty and/or try to act cool makes them more silly than threatening.
** Some might have this reaction to [[spoiler:Lysandre]] crying. That he's crying and for why is pretty sad. The actual image of it and the fact that it comes right out of nowhere, followed by a quick zoom-in transition to the rival's face on the other hand...
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** Team Flare in general. Their bright orange outfits, tendency to strike poses before battles, and the way they constantly talk about beauty and/or try to act cool makes them more silly than threatening.
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*** The trio also has roots in Myth/HinduMythology, with Xerneas having a basis in Brahma, the creator; Zygarde being based on Vishnu, the preserver; and Yveltal being based on Siva, the destroyer.
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*** The trio also has roots in Myth/HinduMythology, Myth/HinduMythology Trimurti (trinity), with Xerneas having a basis in Brahma, the creator; Zygarde being based on Vishnu, the preserver; and Yveltal being based on Siva, the destroyer.destroyer. Both Norse and Hindu Mythology have the same Proto-Indo-European root.
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*** The Hex Maniac trainer class has quickly become popular among the fandom, already getting more fanart than the Gym Leaders, which is saying something. It probably has something to do with her looking like a [[http://68.media.tumblr.com/cf0d8530f3491831249c033101ff4310/tumblr_mvksnrCibM1swsw24o9_1280.jpg fusion]] of Tomoko from ''[[Manga/NoMatterHowILookAtItItsYouGuysFaultImNotPopular WataMote]]'' and Tharja from ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening''.
*** Also Malva from the Elite Four mainly since she's also a member of [[spoiler:Team Flare]], something that reminded a lot of fans of [[spoiler:the Elite Four being [[AdaptationalVillainy the main villains]]]] in ''Manga/PokemonAdventures'' as well as proving [[spoiler:EvilIsSexy]] quite well.
*** Also Malva from the Elite Four mainly since she's also a member of [[spoiler:Team Flare]], something that reminded a lot of fans of [[spoiler:the Elite Four being [[AdaptationalVillainy the main villains]]]] in ''Manga/PokemonAdventures'' as well as proving [[spoiler:EvilIsSexy]] quite well.
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*** The Hex Maniac trainer class has quickly become popular among the fandom, already getting more fanart than the Gym Leaders, Leaders and even most trainer classes, which is saying something. It probably has something to do with her looking like a [[http://68.media.tumblr.com/cf0d8530f3491831249c033101ff4310/tumblr_mvksnrCibM1swsw24o9_1280.jpg fusion]] of Tomoko from ''[[Manga/NoMatterHowILookAtItItsYouGuysFaultImNotPopular WataMote]]'' and Tharja from ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening''.
''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening''. In particular, the Hex Maniac that sells Moomoo Milk in Dendemille Town has become inexplicably popular, to the point where Hex Maniacs have become somewhat associated with Moomoo Milk (or just milk in general).
***Also Malva from the Elite Four mainly since she's also a member of [[spoiler:Team Flare]], something that reminded a lot of fans of [[spoiler:the Elite Four being [[AdaptationalVillainy the main villains]]]] in ''Manga/PokemonAdventures'' as well as proving [[spoiler:EvilIsSexy]] quite well.
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** The music. Some think ''Pokémon X'' and ''Y''[='=]s soundtrack a solid entry in the series, while others find it painfully bland compared to that of other games. The end credits song "KISEKI", in particular, is seen as either heartwarming and beautiful or pretentious and unfitting, particularly as its lyrics aren't actually sung; many fans agree that the concept of a Nintendo song with lyrics was built upon better with "[[VideoGame/FireEmblem Fates Lost in Thoughts All Alone]]", "[[VideoGame/SuperMarioOdyssey Jump Up, Super Star!]]" and "[[VideoGame/SuperSmashBrosUltimate Lifelight]]", all of which have sung lyrics and varying moods.
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** The music. Some think ''Pokémon X'' and ''Y''[='=]s soundtrack a solid entry in the series, while others find it painfully bland compared to that of other games. The end credits song "KISEKI", in particular, is seen as either heartwarming and beautiful or pretentious and unfitting, particularly as its lyrics aren't actually sung; many fans agree that the concept of a Nintendo song with lyrics was built upon better with "[[VideoGame/FireEmblem Fates "[[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Lost in Thoughts All Alone]]", "[[VideoGame/SuperMarioOdyssey Jump Up, Super Star!]]" and "[[VideoGame/SuperSmashBrosUltimate Lifelight]]", all of which have sung lyrics and varying moods.
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*** While its final form Delphox has become quite the BaseBreakingCharacter, Braixen has been met with lovely reception by the fanbase. The fact that it wasn't the [[FranchiseOriginalSin 4th Fire/Fighting type starter]] in a row already gave it better reception than its detested 5th gen predecessor [[TheScrappy Pignite]]. But what really garners it so much appeal is its unique design which likens it to a {{Tsundere}} girl. It's so prominent that you'll often see much fanart online with behaving like a Tsundere, even calling people baka, and many people will breed or soft reset their game so that they get the female Fennekin and will choose not to evolve it to its final stage. Its popularity only grew when the anime Serena's Fennekin evolved into a Braixen. Further cemented when Braixen was revealed (to great fanfare and excitement) as a playable character in ''VideoGame/PokkenTournament''.
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*** While its final form Delphox has become quite the BaseBreakingCharacter, Braixen has been met with lovely reception by the fanbase. The fact that it wasn't the [[FranchiseOriginalSin 4th Fire/Fighting type starter]] in a row already gave it better reception than its detested 5th gen predecessor [[TheScrappy Pignite]]. But what really garners it so much appeal is its unique design which likens it to a {{Tsundere}} girl. It's so prominent that you'll often see much fanart online with behaving like a Tsundere, tsundere, even calling people baka, and many people will breed or soft reset their game so that they get the female Fennekin and will choose not to evolve it to its final stage. Its popularity only grew when the anime Serena's Fennekin evolved into a Braixen. Further cemented when Braixen was revealed (to great fanfare and excitement) as a playable character in ''VideoGame/PokkenTournament''.
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** Despite Sycamore being called a ladies' man, seemingly having your mother crush on him, [[spoiler:and Diantha constantly calling him 'dear' at the League,]] [[HoYay Lysandre/Sycamore]] has gained quite a following due to their chemistry together.
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** Despite Sycamore being called a ladies' man, seemingly having your mother crush on him, [[spoiler:and Diantha constantly calling him 'dear' at the League,]] [[HoYay Lysandre/Sycamore]] has gained quite a following due to their chemistry history together.
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*** For a while, the American fans tried to counter-prank them by spamming Zubats in the Wonder Trade.
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** Trevor makes a big deal out of completing his Pokédex, and puts a lot of effort into trying to explain the simplest things.
** Clemont's banter with his younger sister, Bonnie, suggests he tries really hard to get people to take him seriously, but it doesn't work too well.
** Trevor makes a big deal out of completing his Pokédex, and puts a lot of effort into trying to explain the simplest things.
** Clemont's banter with his younger sister, Bonnie, suggests he tries really hard to get people to take him seriously, but it doesn't work too well.
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* SelfImposedChallenge: Aside from the traditional Nuzlocke run, some options in this generation:
** Turning off the Exp. Share. It's a borderline GameBreaker when on, but when switched off, X and Y's difficulty is actually on par with previous entries.
** A MinimalistRun using only the new Pokémon introduced in this generation. Your limit of choice in Pokémon then goes from a whopping 450 to a measily 69-70, many of which have JackOfAllStats. Good luck.
* SequelDifficultyDrop:
** It's surprisingly common to go through the game at your own pace and still end up with your 10-20 levels above the enemies in the area. Though bear in mind this only applies to regular gameplay; online battles are still as competitive as ever. It almost seems like the main game is really meant to prepare you for online.
** Same for the Battle Maison challenges, which operate by the same rules as online battles.
** Barring a few Breeders and the [[OnceAnEpisode requisite six Magikarp trainer]], there isn't a single trainer with more than 3 (and ''very'' rarely 4) Pokémon before the endgame. Even then, only the Champion has six Pokémon. As a result, the game isn't particularly difficult even without over-leveling.
** The Trainer Card. The DS era games had five objectives for you to accomplish to getting it to the highest colored rank, all of which came with completing the game and the National Dex, along with some that involved the side quests and a few other time consuming ones. Here, however, you only have three objectives before you get it to Gold rank, which is the highest: complete the game, defeat ''one'' (not all) of the Battle Chatelaines in the Battle Maison in the Super mode at 50 battles, and see all the Pokémon in the Kalos Dex and get the Oval Charm. XY's Trainer Card is by far the easiest to max out.
** Turning off the Exp. Share. It's a borderline GameBreaker when on, but when switched off, X and Y's difficulty is actually on par with previous entries.
** A MinimalistRun using only the new Pokémon introduced in this generation. Your limit of choice in Pokémon then goes from a whopping 450 to a measily 69-70, many of which have JackOfAllStats. Good luck.
* SequelDifficultyDrop:
** It's surprisingly common to go through the game at your own pace and still end up with your 10-20 levels above the enemies in the area. Though bear in mind this only applies to regular gameplay; online battles are still as competitive as ever. It almost seems like the main game is really meant to prepare you for online.
** Same for the Battle Maison challenges, which operate by the same rules as online battles.
** Barring a few Breeders and the [[OnceAnEpisode requisite six Magikarp trainer]], there isn't a single trainer with more than 3 (and ''very'' rarely 4) Pokémon before the endgame. Even then, only the Champion has six Pokémon. As a result, the game isn't particularly difficult even without over-leveling.
** The Trainer Card. The DS era games had five objectives for you to accomplish to getting it to the highest colored rank, all of which came with completing the game and the National Dex, along with some that involved the side quests and a few other time consuming ones. Here, however, you only have three objectives before you get it to Gold rank, which is the highest: complete the game, defeat ''one'' (not all) of the Battle Chatelaines in the Battle Maison in the Super mode at 50 battles, and see all the Pokémon in the Kalos Dex and get the Oval Charm. XY's Trainer Card is by far the easiest to max out.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Your rival will either be viewed as this or TheWoobie. On the one hand, yes, they have severe issues with losing to you over and over and feel terrible about it. On the other hand, they ''purposefully'' taunt you up until the battle for the Mega Ring about how they are better than you in Pokémon battles ''without ever trying to prove it.'' It comes off as them being cowardly and not wanting to risk actually losing to you early on due to them wanting to appear as the best trainer to their friends. Further evidence for this comes up following the battle for the Mega Bracelet. After they lose, suddenly, they keep challenging you to fight after fight, more than any rival before them, almost like you wounded their pride and now feel a bit desperate to get it back by beating you.
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** Your rival will either be viewed as this or TheWoobie. On the one hand, yes, they have severe issues with losing to you over and over and feel terrible about it. On the other hand, they ''purposefully'' taunt you up until the battle for the Mega Ring about how they are better than you in Pokémon battles ''without ever trying to prove it.'' It comes off as them being cowardly and not wanting to risk actually losing to you early on due to them wanting to appear as the best trainer to their friends. Further evidence for this comes up following the battle for the Mega Bracelet. After they lose, suddenly, they keep challenging you to fight after fight, more than any rival before them, almost like you wounded their pride and now feel a bit desperate to get it back by beatingyou.you.
** [[https://thepunchlineismachismo.com/archives/comic/i-was-so-surprised-to-find-out-he-was-the-bad-guy Multiple]] [[https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DN9DW4rrEjY people]] have pointed out that Lysandre is so ObviouslyEvil that various characters' attempts to write him off as a noble but quirky UnclePennybags [[HorribleJudgeOfCharacter raise serious questions about their own intelligence and moral standards]].
** Your rival will either be viewed as this or TheWoobie. On the one hand, yes, they have severe issues with losing to you over and over and feel terrible about it. On the other hand, they ''purposefully'' taunt you up until the battle for the Mega Ring about how they are better than you in Pokémon battles ''without ever trying to prove it.'' It comes off as them being cowardly and not wanting to risk actually losing to you early on due to them wanting to appear as the best trainer to their friends. Further evidence for this comes up following the battle for the Mega Bracelet. After they lose, suddenly, they keep challenging you to fight after fight, more than any rival before them, almost like you wounded their pride and now feel a bit desperate to get it back by beating
** [[https://thepunchlineismachismo.com/archives/comic/i-was-so-surprised-to-find-out-he-was-the-bad-guy Multiple]] [[https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DN9DW4rrEjY people]] have pointed out that Lysandre is so ObviouslyEvil that various characters' attempts to write him off as a noble but quirky UnclePennybags [[HorribleJudgeOfCharacter raise serious questions about their own intelligence and moral standards]].
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** And similarly, Pyroar and the Luxray line being used in ''Disney/{{The Lion King}}'' memes.
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** "This world is imperfect. If only I could wipe away all the impurities, and make it as beautiful as me." - Thanks to Creator/{{ProZD}}'s Lysanderoth parody, it's common for fans to quote the clip in response to the other characters ignoring Lysandre being ObviouslyEvil.
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** "This world is imperfect. If only I could wipe away all the impurities, and make it as beautiful as me." - Thanks to Creator/{{ProZD}}'s Lysanderoth parody, it's common for fans to quote the clip in response to the other characters ignoring Lysandre being ObviouslyEvil.
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** Roaming Pokemon are back though thankfully after a certain amount of encounters you get to battle the legendary normally.
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*** The fandom responded very positively to Inkay and Malamar for their unique Dark/Psychic typing, as well as appearing like something out of an Creator/HPLovecraft story. It helps that Inkay's method of evolution (holding the 3DS upside-down when it reaches at least level 30) is almost identical to a [[PopCultureUrbanLegends rumored]] method of evolving Lickitung way back in Generation I. Malamar in particular is very popular [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff with the Brazilian fandom]] due to its Japanese name, ''Karamanero'', which sounds like the term "''Cara maneiro''", meaning "Cool guy". The anime's use of the line helped. [[note]]Inkay became a prominent Team Rocket member, while Malamar became a recurring rare independent Pokémon antagonist[[/note]]
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*** The fandom responded very positively to Inkay and Malamar for their unique Dark/Psychic typing, as well as appearing like something out of an Creator/HPLovecraft story. It helps that Inkay's method of evolution (holding the 3DS upside-down when it reaches at least level 30) is almost identical to a [[PopCultureUrbanLegends rumored]] [[UrbanLegendOfZelda rumored secret method of evolving Lickitung Lickitung]] way back in Generation I. Malamar in particular is very popular [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff with the Brazilian fandom]] due to its Japanese name, ''Karamanero'', which sounds like the term "''Cara maneiro''", meaning "Cool guy". The anime's use of the line helped. [[note]]Inkay became a prominent Team Rocket member, while Malamar became a recurring rare independent Pokémon antagonist[[/note]]
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*** The fandom responded very positively to Inkay and Malamar for their unique Dark/Psychic typing, as well as appearing like something out of an Creator/HPLovecraft story. It helps that Inkay's method of evolution (holding the 3DS upside-down when it reaches at least level 30) is almost identical to a [[UrbanLegendOfZelda rumored]] method of evolving Lickitung way back in Generation I. Malamar in particular is very popular [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff with the Brazilian fandom]] due to its Japanese name, ''Karamanero'', which sounds like the term "''Cara maneiro''", meaning "Cool guy". The anime's use of the line helped. [[note]]Inkay became a prominent Team Rocket member, while Malamar became a recurring rare independent Pokémon antagonist[[/note]]
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*** The fandom responded very positively to Inkay and Malamar for their unique Dark/Psychic typing, as well as appearing like something out of an Creator/HPLovecraft story. It helps that Inkay's method of evolution (holding the 3DS upside-down when it reaches at least level 30) is almost identical to a [[UrbanLegendOfZelda [[PopCultureUrbanLegends rumored]] method of evolving Lickitung way back in Generation I. Malamar in particular is very popular [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff with the Brazilian fandom]] due to its Japanese name, ''Karamanero'', which sounds like the term "''Cara maneiro''", meaning "Cool guy". The anime's use of the line helped. [[note]]Inkay became a prominent Team Rocket member, while Malamar became a recurring rare independent Pokémon antagonist[[/note]]
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* VindicatedByHistory: As per usual for ''Pokémon'' games. Initially, after the games' "honeymoon period" ended, fans were extremely critical of ''Pokémon X'' and ''Pokémon Y'' for elements such as its lack of postgame or challenge, poor balance, technical issues and weak story. However, after Generations VII and even moreso VIII proved to be even more controversial, fans began warming up to ''X'' and ''Y'' once again, appreciating elements that were removed or degraded in later games such as (a certain amount of) exploration, the older protagonists, the beautiful region, Mega Evolutions, the massive regional Pokédex, Pokémon-Amie, and ''especially'' the Player Search System. Furthermore, many fans also began to appreciate the many quality-of-life improvements in the jump from 2D to 3D, and how much of a leap forward ''X'' and ''Y'' were at the time of release despite its numerous steps backwards. While the games still get some flak (especially by fans of the "early modern" era of Generations III through V), they gained more defenders over time for their various strengths who are able to appreciate them as a competent first step into 3D for Game Freak, mostly brought down by the view that [[FranchiseOriginalSin their flaws, rather than their strengths,]] were built upon in subsequent games.
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* VindicatedByHistory: As per usual for ''Pokémon'' games. Initially, after the games' "honeymoon period" ended, fans were extremely critical of ''Pokémon X'' and ''Pokémon Y'' for elements such as its lack of postgame or challenge, poor balance, technical issues issues, and weak story. However, after Generations VII and even moreso VIII proved to be even more controversial, fans began warming up to looking back on ''X'' and ''Y'' once again, and appreciating elements that were removed or degraded in later games the many advents it had made at the time, such as (a certain amount of) exploration, the older protagonists, the beautiful region, Mega Evolutions, the massive regional Pokédex, Pokémon-Amie, the many quality-of-life changes introduced with these games, and ''especially'' the Player Search System. Furthermore, many fans also began to appreciate the many quality-of-life improvements in the jump from 2D to 3D, and how much of a leap forward ''X'' and ''Y'' were at the time of release despite its numerous steps backwards. While the games still get some flak (especially by fans of the "early modern" era of Generations III through V), they gained more defenders over time for their various strengths who are able to appreciate them laud the game as a competent first step for ''Pokémon'''s foray into 3D the land of 3D, and for Game Freak, mostly brought down by how much it pushed the view that formula forwards despite the many steps it took backwards. The games, in their eyes, are merely [[FranchiseOriginalSin their flaws, rather than their strengths,]] were built upon in subsequent games. the progenitor of the problems later entries would have]].
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* BaseBreakingCharacter:
** Honedge and Klefki get a lot of flack for being Pokémon based off of inanimate objects, despite the fact that there are Pokémon from previous generations who have similar designs. It comes down to whether the execution in designs justify the concepts some inanimate object Pokémon are based on, which for most of the time is hit and miss. Others like them for their typings, and find the idea of a possessed sword and a key-stealing mischievous face pretty cool. Some also think that they're based on the idea of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsukumogami Tsukumogami]], a kind of youkai that is an object that becomes alive and self-aware. The case both for and against Klefki is compounded by its use in competitive play, which often consists of infuriating the opponent into {{Rage Quit}}ting by crippling their team with [[ActionInitiative priority]] status moves.
** Both versions of Mega Mewtwo are this; while they are praised for their high, record-breaking base stats (X and Y have the highest Attack and Special Attack of all Pokémon, respectively), there is some debate on how good their designs look compared to each other as well as base Mewtwo. For a while, Mega Mewtwo Y got some extra hate for its association with [[ReplacementScrappy the unpopular "new" Mewtwo character]] from [[Anime/PokemonGenesectAndTheLegendAwakened the 16th movie]], which was eventually fixed by giving the same form to the far more popular Mewtwo in ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'' (primarily based on [[Anime/PokemonTheFirstMovie the first movie]]).
** Mega Venusaur and Mega Heracross are well-liked for their competitive potential, but are disliked by some for their ugly designs, similar to Heatran and Conkeldurr.
** Both of Charizard's Mega Evolutions are this. While it's generally agreed that it deserved a Mega Evolution, the handling of the Mega Evolutions themselves are often debated.
*** Mega Charizard X. It seems to be the most popular Mega Evolution of all for [[PanderingToTheBase granting the longtime fan request of turning Charizard into a Dragon-type Pokémon]], but also gets a hefty heaping of ItsPopularNowItSucks (especially from [[OutOfFocus Charizard Y]] fans and Charizard haters) and gets some flak over its black and overly "edgy" design, plus the fact Charizard's Shiny counterpart is already black, which makes it seem less unique. It also came under [[{{Pun}} fire]] near the end of the ''XYZ'' [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} anime]] season for [[spoiler: being the Pokémon that Ash loses to]].
*** Mega Charizard Y is also this, often resulting in FandomRivalry with Mega Charizard X. Some fans prefer it over X for its more recognizable color scheme and playing like a supercharged version of base Charizard, with extremely high Sp. Atk and Fire attacks further boosted by Drought. Others believe that X's Fire/Dragon typing makes Y redundant and that it had no real reason to exist other than to [[TrollingCreator dupe the fandom]] for a few weeks, as Charizard's Fire/Flying typing was vocally maligned by many fans who wanted it to somehow gain access to the Dragon type, and Y's reveal caused backlash due to its lack of Dragon typing.
*** In general, there are [[{{Pun}} heated]] arguments in the fandom about whether Charizard deserved two Mega Evolutions in the first place, and whether its PopularityPower was enough to justify its priority over Venusaur and Blastoise. Some fans believe that the best solution would have been to have a singular "Mega Charizard" with X's Fire/Dragon typing and Y's more immediately impressive stats and Ability.
** Mega Gyarados, in a similar vein to Mega Charizard Y. Some fans maligned it for its more bulky, less streamlined design, as well as its lack of Dragon typing (as Gyarados was second only to Charizard in terms of fan requests to make it into a Water/Dragon type). Others like its darker and more colorful design, and find its Water/Dark typing [[EvilIsCool appealing]] and very fitting for Gyarados' nature -- particularly as it finally gives a Gen I Pokémon access to the Dark type (aside from the later Alolan forms and earlier true cross-generational evolutions such as Umbreon).
** All three of the starter's final evolved forms draw a lot of mixed reactions among fandoms.
*** With Chesnaught, some like its bulky knight design, while other think it's too generic next to the others and too much of a departure from its pre-evolutions[[note]]despite it being {{Justified|Trope}} [[ShownTheirWork because of the way chestnuts mature]][[/note]].
*** With Delphox, some fans like its design along its typing since the previous three fire starter were Fire/Fighting. On the other hand, some fans dislike its design along with its typing since it gives Delphox five typing weaknesses and its rather shallow movepool compare to Greninja and Chesnaught. Because of this, Delphox is always used as an example on how far Psychic-types have fallen since their [[GameBreaker reign of terror]] in Gen I.
*** With Greninja, it comes down to its ''tongue scarf'' of all things. Either it's [[RuleOfCool cool]] or {{Narm}}y. Some fans have also grown to resent it over time when it proved the most popular of the three, and not unlike Mega Charizard X, [[WolverinePublicity it ended up appearing a lot in promotional material]] [[SpotlightStealingSquad to the point of overshadowing the other starters]], and in the anime's case, even ''[[SeriesMascot Pikachu]]'' for some time.
** ''X'' and ''Y'' turned Lucario into this, as these were the games where its WolverinePublicity was cranked up from previous appearances. Lucario's previous appearance in ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2'' was very well-liked for turning a previously extremely rare, yet extremely popular Pokémon with LateCharacterSyndrome into one of the earliest and best Pokémon to use in-game. Aside from giving it a Mega Evolution, ''X'' and ''Y'' did the same, but also made it a central focus of the Mega Evolution subplot and automatically gifted players a fully-evolved Lucario early on in the game, complete with Mega Stone. Many people were happy to see their favorite combat canine in a starring role once again and latched on to its Mega Evolution, but others got sick of it and started drawing comparisons to [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII Lightning]] and [[VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy Rosalina]] in terms of excessive overexposure.
** Shauna and Trevor. Like many of the other plot-relevant characters, they have received a lot of criticism for their rather bland and lackluster characterizations, especially compared to those of past rivals. However, they also have their fair share of fans who enjoy them in spite of all their shortcomings. Points used in their favor include their cute designs, their quirky and likable (to half the fans anyway) personalities, mild CharacterDevelopment, Shauna's {{Moe}} status and Trevor being {{Adorkable}}, and some fans have even noticed similarities between them and [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite Cheren and Bianca]] (even if the two of them are also Base-Breaking Characters of their own right).
** The Fairy Type has drawn some consternation for being {{Retcon}}ned onto pre-existing Pokémon families-- the Clefairy, Snubbull families and Togepi were all made pure-fairy type, while Jigglypuff, Mr. Mime, Marill, Ralts, Mawaile, Cottonee, and several others were made secondary type, which can cause cases of DamnYouMuscleMemory when you try to, say, attack a once normal-type Clefairy with a fighting-type move, or a once pure psychic-type Ralts with a dark type move. Meanwhile, the last time new types were introduced-- the Dark and Steel types in ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver''-- Steel was only retroactively added to the Magnemite family, and no pre-existing family was given the Dark Type ([[UndergroundMonkey Alolan forms]] [[VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon notwithstanding]]), which makes some wonder why Game Freak couldn't have just made new fairy-type Pokémon instead of retconning no less than twenty Pokémon to be an entirely different type.
** Dedenne's reception is unusually polarizing. On one hand, fans hate Dedenne for being [[ScrappyWeapon utterly garbage in battles and not learning Moonblast]] as well as not liking its design. On the other hand, there are some fans who love Dedenne for being adorable, as evident by a Japan-based Pokémon popularity poll called Pokémon Election, it managed to be in 31st place out of 720 Pokémon. In general, fans who follow the anime more are kinder to Dedenne than those who follow the games more, due to its prominent role in the TV show.
** Honedge and Klefki get a lot of flack for being Pokémon based off of inanimate objects, despite the fact that there are Pokémon from previous generations who have similar designs. It comes down to whether the execution in designs justify the concepts some inanimate object Pokémon are based on, which for most of the time is hit and miss. Others like them for their typings, and find the idea of a possessed sword and a key-stealing mischievous face pretty cool. Some also think that they're based on the idea of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsukumogami Tsukumogami]], a kind of youkai that is an object that becomes alive and self-aware. The case both for and against Klefki is compounded by its use in competitive play, which often consists of infuriating the opponent into {{Rage Quit}}ting by crippling their team with [[ActionInitiative priority]] status moves.
** Both versions of Mega Mewtwo are this; while they are praised for their high, record-breaking base stats (X and Y have the highest Attack and Special Attack of all Pokémon, respectively), there is some debate on how good their designs look compared to each other as well as base Mewtwo. For a while, Mega Mewtwo Y got some extra hate for its association with [[ReplacementScrappy the unpopular "new" Mewtwo character]] from [[Anime/PokemonGenesectAndTheLegendAwakened the 16th movie]], which was eventually fixed by giving the same form to the far more popular Mewtwo in ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'' (primarily based on [[Anime/PokemonTheFirstMovie the first movie]]).
** Mega Venusaur and Mega Heracross are well-liked for their competitive potential, but are disliked by some for their ugly designs, similar to Heatran and Conkeldurr.
** Both of Charizard's Mega Evolutions are this. While it's generally agreed that it deserved a Mega Evolution, the handling of the Mega Evolutions themselves are often debated.
*** Mega Charizard X. It seems to be the most popular Mega Evolution of all for [[PanderingToTheBase granting the longtime fan request of turning Charizard into a Dragon-type Pokémon]], but also gets a hefty heaping of ItsPopularNowItSucks (especially from [[OutOfFocus Charizard Y]] fans and Charizard haters) and gets some flak over its black and overly "edgy" design, plus the fact Charizard's Shiny counterpart is already black, which makes it seem less unique. It also came under [[{{Pun}} fire]] near the end of the ''XYZ'' [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} anime]] season for [[spoiler: being the Pokémon that Ash loses to]].
*** Mega Charizard Y is also this, often resulting in FandomRivalry with Mega Charizard X. Some fans prefer it over X for its more recognizable color scheme and playing like a supercharged version of base Charizard, with extremely high Sp. Atk and Fire attacks further boosted by Drought. Others believe that X's Fire/Dragon typing makes Y redundant and that it had no real reason to exist other than to [[TrollingCreator dupe the fandom]] for a few weeks, as Charizard's Fire/Flying typing was vocally maligned by many fans who wanted it to somehow gain access to the Dragon type, and Y's reveal caused backlash due to its lack of Dragon typing.
*** In general, there are [[{{Pun}} heated]] arguments in the fandom about whether Charizard deserved two Mega Evolutions in the first place, and whether its PopularityPower was enough to justify its priority over Venusaur and Blastoise. Some fans believe that the best solution would have been to have a singular "Mega Charizard" with X's Fire/Dragon typing and Y's more immediately impressive stats and Ability.
** Mega Gyarados, in a similar vein to Mega Charizard Y. Some fans maligned it for its more bulky, less streamlined design, as well as its lack of Dragon typing (as Gyarados was second only to Charizard in terms of fan requests to make it into a Water/Dragon type). Others like its darker and more colorful design, and find its Water/Dark typing [[EvilIsCool appealing]] and very fitting for Gyarados' nature -- particularly as it finally gives a Gen I Pokémon access to the Dark type (aside from the later Alolan forms and earlier true cross-generational evolutions such as Umbreon).
** All three of the starter's final evolved forms draw a lot of mixed reactions among fandoms.
*** With Chesnaught, some like its bulky knight design, while other think it's too generic next to the others and too much of a departure from its pre-evolutions[[note]]despite it being {{Justified|Trope}} [[ShownTheirWork because of the way chestnuts mature]][[/note]].
*** With Delphox, some fans like its design along its typing since the previous three fire starter were Fire/Fighting. On the other hand, some fans dislike its design along with its typing since it gives Delphox five typing weaknesses and its rather shallow movepool compare to Greninja and Chesnaught. Because of this, Delphox is always used as an example on how far Psychic-types have fallen since their [[GameBreaker reign of terror]] in Gen I.
*** With Greninja, it comes down to its ''tongue scarf'' of all things. Either it's [[RuleOfCool cool]] or {{Narm}}y. Some fans have also grown to resent it over time when it proved the most popular of the three, and not unlike Mega Charizard X, [[WolverinePublicity it ended up appearing a lot in promotional material]] [[SpotlightStealingSquad to the point of overshadowing the other starters]], and in the anime's case, even ''[[SeriesMascot Pikachu]]'' for some time.
** ''X'' and ''Y'' turned Lucario into this, as these were the games where its WolverinePublicity was cranked up from previous appearances. Lucario's previous appearance in ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2'' was very well-liked for turning a previously extremely rare, yet extremely popular Pokémon with LateCharacterSyndrome into one of the earliest and best Pokémon to use in-game. Aside from giving it a Mega Evolution, ''X'' and ''Y'' did the same, but also made it a central focus of the Mega Evolution subplot and automatically gifted players a fully-evolved Lucario early on in the game, complete with Mega Stone. Many people were happy to see their favorite combat canine in a starring role once again and latched on to its Mega Evolution, but others got sick of it and started drawing comparisons to [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII Lightning]] and [[VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy Rosalina]] in terms of excessive overexposure.
** Shauna and Trevor. Like many of the other plot-relevant characters, they have received a lot of criticism for their rather bland and lackluster characterizations, especially compared to those of past rivals. However, they also have their fair share of fans who enjoy them in spite of all their shortcomings. Points used in their favor include their cute designs, their quirky and likable (to half the fans anyway) personalities, mild CharacterDevelopment, Shauna's {{Moe}} status and Trevor being {{Adorkable}}, and some fans have even noticed similarities between them and [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite Cheren and Bianca]] (even if the two of them are also Base-Breaking Characters of their own right).
** The Fairy Type has drawn some consternation for being {{Retcon}}ned onto pre-existing Pokémon families-- the Clefairy, Snubbull families and Togepi were all made pure-fairy type, while Jigglypuff, Mr. Mime, Marill, Ralts, Mawaile, Cottonee, and several others were made secondary type, which can cause cases of DamnYouMuscleMemory when you try to, say, attack a once normal-type Clefairy with a fighting-type move, or a once pure psychic-type Ralts with a dark type move. Meanwhile, the last time new types were introduced-- the Dark and Steel types in ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver''-- Steel was only retroactively added to the Magnemite family, and no pre-existing family was given the Dark Type ([[UndergroundMonkey Alolan forms]] [[VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon notwithstanding]]), which makes some wonder why Game Freak couldn't have just made new fairy-type Pokémon instead of retconning no less than twenty Pokémon to be an entirely different type.
** Dedenne's reception is unusually polarizing. On one hand, fans hate Dedenne for being [[ScrappyWeapon utterly garbage in battles and not learning Moonblast]] as well as not liking its design. On the other hand, there are some fans who love Dedenne for being adorable, as evident by a Japan-based Pokémon popularity poll called Pokémon Election, it managed to be in 31st place out of 720 Pokémon. In general, fans who follow the anime more are kinder to Dedenne than those who follow the games more, due to its prominent role in the TV show.
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* BaseBreakingCharacter:
** Honedge and Klefki getBaseBreakingCharacter: [[BaseBreakingCharacter/{{Pokemon}} Shares a lot of flack for being Pokémon based off of inanimate objects, despite page with the fact that there are Pokémon from previous generations who have similar designs. It comes down to whether the execution in designs justify the concepts some inanimate object Pokémon are based on, which for most rest of the time is hit and miss. Others like them for their typings, and find the idea of a possessed sword and a key-stealing mischievous face pretty cool. Some also think that they're based on the idea of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsukumogami Tsukumogami]], a kind of youkai that is an object that becomes alive and self-aware. The case both for and against Klefki is compounded by its use in competitive play, which often consists of infuriating the opponent into {{Rage Quit}}ting by crippling their team with [[ActionInitiative priority]] status moves.
** Both versions of Mega Mewtwo are this; while they are praised for their high, record-breaking base stats (X and Y have the highest Attack and Special Attack of all Pokémon, respectively), there is some debate on how good their designs look compared to each other as well as base Mewtwo. For a while, Mega Mewtwo Y got some extra hate for its association with [[ReplacementScrappy the unpopular "new" Mewtwo character]] from [[Anime/PokemonGenesectAndTheLegendAwakened the 16th movie]], which was eventually fixed by giving the same form to the far more popular Mewtwo in ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'' (primarily based on [[Anime/PokemonTheFirstMovie the first movie]]).
** Mega Venusaur and Mega Heracross are well-liked for their competitive potential, but are disliked by some for their ugly designs, similar to Heatran and Conkeldurr.
** Both of Charizard's Mega Evolutions are this. While it's generally agreed that it deserved a Mega Evolution, the handling of the Mega Evolutions themselves are often debated.
*** Mega Charizard X. It seems to be the most popular Mega Evolution of all for [[PanderingToTheBase granting the longtime fan request of turning Charizard into a Dragon-type Pokémon]], but also gets a hefty heaping of ItsPopularNowItSucks (especially from [[OutOfFocus Charizard Y]] fans and Charizard haters) and gets some flak over its black and overly "edgy" design, plus the fact Charizard's Shiny counterpart is already black, which makes it seem less unique. It also came under [[{{Pun}} fire]] near the end of the ''XYZ'' [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} anime]] season for [[spoiler: being the Pokémon that Ash loses to]].
*** Mega Charizard Y is also this, often resulting in FandomRivalry with Mega Charizard X. Some fans prefer it over X for its more recognizable color scheme and playing like a supercharged version of base Charizard, with extremely high Sp. Atk and Fire attacks further boosted by Drought. Others believe that X's Fire/Dragon typing makes Y redundant and that it had no real reason to exist other than to [[TrollingCreator dupe the fandom]] for a few weeks, as Charizard's Fire/Flying typing was vocally maligned by many fans who wanted it to somehow gain access to the Dragon type, and Y's reveal caused backlash due to its lack of Dragon typing.
*** In general, there are [[{{Pun}} heated]] arguments in the fandom about whether Charizard deserved two Mega Evolutions in the first place, and whether its PopularityPower was enough to justify its priority over Venusaur and Blastoise. Some fans believe that the best solution would have been to have a singular "Mega Charizard" with X's Fire/Dragon typing and Y's more immediately impressive stats and Ability.
** Mega Gyarados, in a similar vein to Mega Charizard Y. Some fans maligned it for its more bulky, less streamlined design, as well as its lack of Dragon typing (as Gyarados was second only to Charizard in terms of fan requests to make it into a Water/Dragon type). Others like its darker and more colorful design, and find its Water/Dark typing [[EvilIsCool appealing]] and very fitting for Gyarados' nature -- particularly as it finally gives a Gen I Pokémon access to the Dark type (aside from the later Alolan forms and earlier true cross-generational evolutions such as Umbreon).
** All three of the starter's final evolved forms draw a lot of mixed reactions among fandoms.
*** With Chesnaught, some like its bulky knight design, while other think it's too generic next to the others and too much of a departure from its pre-evolutions[[note]]despite it being {{Justified|Trope}} [[ShownTheirWork because of the way chestnuts mature]][[/note]].
*** With Delphox, some fans like its design along its typing since the previous three fire starter were Fire/Fighting. On the other hand, some fans dislike its design along with its typing since it gives Delphox five typing weaknesses and its rather shallow movepool compare to Greninja and Chesnaught. Because of this, Delphox is always used as an example on how far Psychic-types have fallen since their [[GameBreaker reign of terror]] in Gen I.
*** With Greninja, it comes down to its ''tongue scarf'' of all things. Either it's [[RuleOfCool cool]] or {{Narm}}y. Some fans have also grown to resent it over time when it proved the most popular of the three, and not unlike Mega Charizard X, [[WolverinePublicity it ended up appearing a lot in promotional material]] [[SpotlightStealingSquad to the point of overshadowing the other starters]], and in the anime's case, even ''[[SeriesMascot Pikachu]]'' for some time.
** ''X'' and ''Y'' turned Lucario into this, as these were the games where its WolverinePublicity was cranked up from previous appearances. Lucario's previous appearance in ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2'' was very well-liked for turning a previously extremely rare, yet extremely popular Pokémon with LateCharacterSyndrome into one of the earliest and best Pokémon to use in-game. Aside from giving it a Mega Evolution, ''X'' and ''Y'' did the same, but also made it a central focus of the Mega Evolution subplot and automatically gifted players a fully-evolved Lucario early on in the game, complete with Mega Stone. Many people were happy to see their favorite combat canine in a starring role once again and latched on to its Mega Evolution, but others got sick of it and started drawing comparisons to [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII Lightning]] and [[VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy Rosalina]] in terms of excessive overexposure.
** Shauna and Trevor. Like many of the other plot-relevant characters, they have received a lot of criticism for their rather bland and lackluster characterizations, especially compared to those of past rivals. However, they also have their fair share of fans who enjoy them in spite of all their shortcomings. Points used in their favor include their cute designs, their quirky and likable (to half the fans anyway) personalities, mild CharacterDevelopment, Shauna's {{Moe}} status and Trevor being {{Adorkable}}, and some fans have even noticed similarities between them and [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite Cheren and Bianca]] (even if the two of them are also Base-Breaking Characters of their own right).
** The Fairy Type has drawn some consternation for being {{Retcon}}ned onto pre-existing Pokémon families-- the Clefairy, Snubbull families and Togepi were all made pure-fairy type, while Jigglypuff, Mr. Mime, Marill, Ralts, Mawaile, Cottonee, and several others were made secondary type, which can cause cases of DamnYouMuscleMemory when you try to, say, attack a once normal-type Clefairy with a fighting-type move, or a once pure psychic-type Ralts with a dark type move. Meanwhile, the last time new types were introduced-- the Dark and Steel types in ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver''-- Steel was only retroactively added to the Magnemite family, and no pre-existing family was given the Dark Type ([[UndergroundMonkey Alolan forms]] [[VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon notwithstanding]]), which makes some wonder why Game Freak couldn't have just made new fairy-type Pokémon instead of retconning no less than twenty Pokémon to be an entirely different type.
** Dedenne's reception is unusually polarizing. On one hand, fans hate Dedenne for being [[ScrappyWeapon utterly garbage in battles and not learning Moonblast]] as well as not liking its design. On the other hand, there are some fans who love Dedenne for being adorable, as evident by a Japan-based Pokémon popularity poll called Pokémon Election, it managed to be in 31st place out of 720 Pokémon. In general, fans who follow the anime more are kinder to Dedenne than those who follow the games more, due to its prominent role in the TV show.franchise.]]
** Honedge and Klefki get
** Both versions of Mega Mewtwo are this; while they are praised for their high, record-breaking base stats (X and Y have the highest Attack and Special Attack of all Pokémon, respectively), there is some debate on how good their designs look compared to each other as well as base Mewtwo. For a while, Mega Mewtwo Y got some extra hate for its association with [[ReplacementScrappy the unpopular "new" Mewtwo character]] from [[Anime/PokemonGenesectAndTheLegendAwakened the 16th movie]], which was eventually fixed by giving the same form to the far more popular Mewtwo in ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'' (primarily based on [[Anime/PokemonTheFirstMovie the first movie]]).
** Mega Venusaur and Mega Heracross are well-liked for their competitive potential, but are disliked by some for their ugly designs, similar to Heatran and Conkeldurr.
** Both of Charizard's Mega Evolutions are this. While it's generally agreed that it deserved a Mega Evolution, the handling of the Mega Evolutions themselves are often debated.
*** Mega Charizard X. It seems to be the most popular Mega Evolution of all for [[PanderingToTheBase granting the longtime fan request of turning Charizard into a Dragon-type Pokémon]], but also gets a hefty heaping of ItsPopularNowItSucks (especially from [[OutOfFocus Charizard Y]] fans and Charizard haters) and gets some flak over its black and overly "edgy" design, plus the fact Charizard's Shiny counterpart is already black, which makes it seem less unique. It also came under [[{{Pun}} fire]] near the end of the ''XYZ'' [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} anime]] season for [[spoiler: being the Pokémon that Ash loses to]].
*** Mega Charizard Y is also this, often resulting in FandomRivalry with Mega Charizard X. Some fans prefer it over X for its more recognizable color scheme and playing like a supercharged version of base Charizard, with extremely high Sp. Atk and Fire attacks further boosted by Drought. Others believe that X's Fire/Dragon typing makes Y redundant and that it had no real reason to exist other than to [[TrollingCreator dupe the fandom]] for a few weeks, as Charizard's Fire/Flying typing was vocally maligned by many fans who wanted it to somehow gain access to the Dragon type, and Y's reveal caused backlash due to its lack of Dragon typing.
*** In general, there are [[{{Pun}} heated]] arguments in the fandom about whether Charizard deserved two Mega Evolutions in the first place, and whether its PopularityPower was enough to justify its priority over Venusaur and Blastoise. Some fans believe that the best solution would have been to have a singular "Mega Charizard" with X's Fire/Dragon typing and Y's more immediately impressive stats and Ability.
** Mega Gyarados, in a similar vein to Mega Charizard Y. Some fans maligned it for its more bulky, less streamlined design, as well as its lack of Dragon typing (as Gyarados was second only to Charizard in terms of fan requests to make it into a Water/Dragon type). Others like its darker and more colorful design, and find its Water/Dark typing [[EvilIsCool appealing]] and very fitting for Gyarados' nature -- particularly as it finally gives a Gen I Pokémon access to the Dark type (aside from the later Alolan forms and earlier true cross-generational evolutions such as Umbreon).
** All three of the starter's final evolved forms draw a lot of mixed reactions among fandoms.
*** With Chesnaught, some like its bulky knight design, while other think it's too generic next to the others and too much of a departure from its pre-evolutions[[note]]despite it being {{Justified|Trope}} [[ShownTheirWork because of the way chestnuts mature]][[/note]].
*** With Delphox, some fans like its design along its typing since the previous three fire starter were Fire/Fighting. On the other hand, some fans dislike its design along with its typing since it gives Delphox five typing weaknesses and its rather shallow movepool compare to Greninja and Chesnaught. Because of this, Delphox is always used as an example on how far Psychic-types have fallen since their [[GameBreaker reign of terror]] in Gen I.
*** With Greninja, it comes down to its ''tongue scarf'' of all things. Either it's [[RuleOfCool cool]] or {{Narm}}y. Some fans have also grown to resent it over time when it proved the most popular of the three, and not unlike Mega Charizard X, [[WolverinePublicity it ended up appearing a lot in promotional material]] [[SpotlightStealingSquad to the point of overshadowing the other starters]], and in the anime's case, even ''[[SeriesMascot Pikachu]]'' for some time.
** ''X'' and ''Y'' turned Lucario into this, as these were the games where its WolverinePublicity was cranked up from previous appearances. Lucario's previous appearance in ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2'' was very well-liked for turning a previously extremely rare, yet extremely popular Pokémon with LateCharacterSyndrome into one of the earliest and best Pokémon to use in-game. Aside from giving it a Mega Evolution, ''X'' and ''Y'' did the same, but also made it a central focus of the Mega Evolution subplot and automatically gifted players a fully-evolved Lucario early on in the game, complete with Mega Stone. Many people were happy to see their favorite combat canine in a starring role once again and latched on to its Mega Evolution, but others got sick of it and started drawing comparisons to [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII Lightning]] and [[VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy Rosalina]] in terms of excessive overexposure.
** Shauna and Trevor. Like many of the other plot-relevant characters, they have received a lot of criticism for their rather bland and lackluster characterizations, especially compared to those of past rivals. However, they also have their fair share of fans who enjoy them in spite of all their shortcomings. Points used in their favor include their cute designs, their quirky and likable (to half the fans anyway) personalities, mild CharacterDevelopment, Shauna's {{Moe}} status and Trevor being {{Adorkable}}, and some fans have even noticed similarities between them and [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite Cheren and Bianca]] (even if the two of them are also Base-Breaking Characters of their own right).
** The Fairy Type has drawn some consternation for being {{Retcon}}ned onto pre-existing Pokémon families-- the Clefairy, Snubbull families and Togepi were all made pure-fairy type, while Jigglypuff, Mr. Mime, Marill, Ralts, Mawaile, Cottonee, and several others were made secondary type, which can cause cases of DamnYouMuscleMemory when you try to, say, attack a once normal-type Clefairy with a fighting-type move, or a once pure psychic-type Ralts with a dark type move. Meanwhile, the last time new types were introduced-- the Dark and Steel types in ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver''-- Steel was only retroactively added to the Magnemite family, and no pre-existing family was given the Dark Type ([[UndergroundMonkey Alolan forms]] [[VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon notwithstanding]]), which makes some wonder why Game Freak couldn't have just made new fairy-type Pokémon instead of retconning no less than twenty Pokémon to be an entirely different type.
** Dedenne's reception is unusually polarizing. On one hand, fans hate Dedenne for being [[ScrappyWeapon utterly garbage in battles and not learning Moonblast]] as well as not liking its design. On the other hand, there are some fans who love Dedenne for being adorable, as evident by a Japan-based Pokémon popularity poll called Pokémon Election, it managed to be in 31st place out of 720 Pokémon. In general, fans who follow the anime more are kinder to Dedenne than those who follow the games more, due to its prominent role in the TV show.
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** Pokémon have a preference on where they like to be petted. Some like being petted by the ears, other like it... ''elsewhere'', including Cloyster's horn, Honedge's blade, Gardevoir's chest, or Machoke's ''crotch''... It'll go over the younger players' heads, but it'll leave a good number of older players giggling.
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** Pokémon have a preference on where they like to be petted. Some like being petted by the ears, other like it... ''elsewhere'', including Cloyster's horn, Honedge's blade, Gardevoir's chest, or Machoke's ''crotch''... ''crotch''...It'll go over the younger players' heads, but it'll leave a good number of older players giggling.
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* AnnoyingVideoGameHelper: The Player Search System (or PSS) loves to give annoying pop-ups when you aren't interacting with it, including gleefully reminding you that your battery is low... even when you've already plugged in. It also keeps reminding you about Wonder Trade, the GTS, etc. no matter how many times you use those features. As well as constantly hounding you to fill in your profile, even after you have already done so.
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* AnnoyingVideoGameHelper: The Player Search System (or PSS) loves to give annoying pop-ups when you aren't interacting with it, including gleefully reminding you that your battery is low... even when you've already plugged in. It also keeps reminding you about Wonder Trade, the GTS, etc. no matter how many times you use those features. As well as constantly hounding you to fill in your profile, even after you have already done so.
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** The Elite Four are still quite tough the first time around, even with the EXP Share. Fast-forward a bit to when you're inevitably planning on an epic rematch... and none of their teams have gotten stronger or added new Pokémon, not even the Champion. For many, it's seen as a huge disappointment. At least [[spoiler: you get to see Malva show her AxCrazy nature through her new pre- and post- battle quotes]].
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** The Elite Four are still quite tough the first time around, even with the EXP Share. Fast-forward a bit to when you're inevitably planning on an epic rematch... and none of their teams have gotten stronger or added new Pokémon, not even the Champion. For many, it's seen as a huge disappointment. At least [[spoiler: you get to see Malva show her AxCrazy nature through her new pre- and post- battle quotes]].
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: See [[{{AwesomeMusic/Pokemon}} here.]]
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: See [[{{AwesomeMusic/Pokemon}} here.]]here]].
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** The Fairy Type has drawn some consternation for being {{Retcon}}ned onto pre-existing Pokémon families-- the Clefairy, Snubbull families and Togepi were all made pure-fairy type, while Jigglypuff, Mr. Mime, Marill, Ralts, Mawaile, Cottonee, and several others were made secondary type, which can cause cases of DamnYouMuscleMemory when you try to, say, attack a once normal-type Clefairy with a fighting-type move, or a once pure psychic-type Ralts with a dark type move. Meanwhile, the last time new types were introduced-- the Dark and Steel types in ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver''-- Steel was only retroactively added to the Magnemite family, and no pre-existing family was given the Dark Type ([[UndergroundMonkey Alolan forms]] [[VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon notwithstanding]]), which makes some wonder why Game Freak couldn't have just made new fairy-type Pokémon instead of retconning no less than twenty Pokemon to be an entirely different type.
** Dedenne's reception is unusually polarizing. On one hand, fans hate Dedenne for being [[ScrappyWeapon utterly garbage in battles and not learning Moonblast]] as well as not liking its design. On the other hand, there are some fans who love Dedenne for being adorable, as evident by a Japan-based Pokemon popularity poll called Pokemon Election, it managed to be in 31st place out of 720 Pokemon. In general, fans who follow the anime more are kinder to Dedenne than those who follow the games more, due to its prominent role in the TV show.
** Dedenne's reception is unusually polarizing. On one hand, fans hate Dedenne for being [[ScrappyWeapon utterly garbage in battles and not learning Moonblast]] as well as not liking its design. On the other hand, there are some fans who love Dedenne for being adorable, as evident by a Japan-based Pokemon popularity poll called Pokemon Election, it managed to be in 31st place out of 720 Pokemon. In general, fans who follow the anime more are kinder to Dedenne than those who follow the games more, due to its prominent role in the TV show.
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** The Fairy Type has drawn some consternation for being {{Retcon}}ned onto pre-existing Pokémon families-- the Clefairy, Snubbull families and Togepi were all made pure-fairy type, while Jigglypuff, Mr. Mime, Marill, Ralts, Mawaile, Cottonee, and several others were made secondary type, which can cause cases of DamnYouMuscleMemory when you try to, say, attack a once normal-type Clefairy with a fighting-type move, or a once pure psychic-type Ralts with a dark type move. Meanwhile, the last time new types were introduced-- the Dark and Steel types in ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver''-- Steel was only retroactively added to the Magnemite family, and no pre-existing family was given the Dark Type ([[UndergroundMonkey Alolan forms]] [[VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon notwithstanding]]), which makes some wonder why Game Freak couldn't have just made new fairy-type Pokémon instead of retconning no less than twenty Pokemon Pokémon to be an entirely different type.
** Dedenne's reception is unusually polarizing. On one hand, fans hate Dedenne for being [[ScrappyWeapon utterly garbage in battles and not learning Moonblast]] as well as not liking its design. On the other hand, there are some fans who love Dedenne for being adorable, as evident by a Japan-basedPokemon Pokémon popularity poll called Pokemon Pokémon Election, it managed to be in 31st place out of 720 Pokemon.Pokémon. In general, fans who follow the anime more are kinder to Dedenne than those who follow the games more, due to its prominent role in the TV show.
** Dedenne's reception is unusually polarizing. On one hand, fans hate Dedenne for being [[ScrappyWeapon utterly garbage in battles and not learning Moonblast]] as well as not liking its design. On the other hand, there are some fans who love Dedenne for being adorable, as evident by a Japan-based
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** Horde battles are a good source of experience, but they can still be very annoying early-on. They can turn a horde of Pokémon that are normally in the GoddamnedBats category into this really quickly. For example, a horde of Wild Scraggy can spam Sand Attack (lowers your accuracy) and Leer (lowers your Defense), so when the group decides to attack, they can faint your Pokémon (unless of course, you're a higher level ... but if you're trying to train a low-level Pokémon, then you're stuffed). It also makes capturing some Pokémon such as Zangoose or Seviper rather difficult, since they tend to turn on one another owing to GameplayAndStoryIntegration.
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** Horde battles are a good source of experience, but they can still be very annoying early-on. They can turn a horde of Pokémon that are normally in the GoddamnedBats category into this really quickly. For example, a horde of Wild Scraggy can spam Sand Attack (lowers your accuracy) and Leer (lowers your Defense), so when the group decides to attack, they can faint your Pokémon (unless of course, you're a higher level ... level...but if you're trying to train a low-level Pokémon, then you're stuffed). It also makes capturing some Pokémon such as Zangoose or Seviper rather difficult, since they tend to turn on one another owing to GameplayAndStoryIntegration.
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*** [[PowerupMount Gogoat]] quickly became very popular. So has its pre-evolution, Skiddo, in that it was already a fan-favorite well before it was officially revealed to exist... (Skiddo is [[RidiculouslyCuteCritter pretty cute too, especially the ones you come across that are fast asleep.]])
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*** [[PowerupMount Gogoat]] quickly became very popular. So has its pre-evolution, Skiddo, in that it was already a fan-favorite well before it was officially revealed to exist...exist. (Skiddo is [[RidiculouslyCuteCritter pretty cute too, especially the ones you come across that are fast asleep.]])
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*** The fandom responded very positively to Inkay and Malamar for their unique Dark/Psychic typing, as well as appearing like something out of an Creator/HPLovecraft story. It helps that Inkay's method of evolution (holding the 3DS upside-down when it reaches at least level 30) is almost identical to a [[UrbanLegendOfZelda rumored]] method of evolving Lickitung way back in Generation I. Malamar in particular is very popular [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff with the Brazilian fandom]] due to its Japanese name, ''Karamanero'', which sounds like the term "''Cara maneiro''", meaning "Cool guy". The anime's use of the line helped. [[note]]Inkay became a prominent Team Rocket member, while Malamar became a recurring rare independent Pokemon antagonist[[/note]]
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*** The fandom responded very positively to Inkay and Malamar for their unique Dark/Psychic typing, as well as appearing like something out of an Creator/HPLovecraft story. It helps that Inkay's method of evolution (holding the 3DS upside-down when it reaches at least level 30) is almost identical to a [[UrbanLegendOfZelda rumored]] method of evolving Lickitung way back in Generation I. Malamar in particular is very popular [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff with the Brazilian fandom]] due to its Japanese name, ''Karamanero'', which sounds like the term "''Cara maneiro''", meaning "Cool guy". The anime's use of the line helped. [[note]]Inkay became a prominent Team Rocket member, while Malamar became a recurring rare independent Pokemon Pokémon antagonist[[/note]]
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* FashionVictimVillain: [[spoiler:Lysandre]] looks fine for much of the game... but the final battle comes, and he's inexplicably wearing what can only be described as as an edgy ComicBook/DoctorOctopus cosplay that even the game admits looks stupid. What's more, [[UselessAccessory all those tentacles and the visor don't do anything to help him]].
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* FashionVictimVillain: [[spoiler:Lysandre]] looks fine for much of the game... but the final battle comes, and he's inexplicably wearing what can only be described as as an edgy ComicBook/DoctorOctopus cosplay that even the game admits looks stupid. What's more, [[UselessAccessory all those tentacles and the visor don't do anything to help him]].
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: [[FranchiseOriginalSin/{{Pokemon}} Shares a page with the rest of the franchise.]]
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: [[FranchiseOriginalSin/{{Pokemon}} Shares a page with the rest of the franchise.]]franchise]].
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** Dear god, Mega Charizard X in America. This is probably the fanbase's best example yet of AmericanKirbyIsHardcore; not only was Charizard already outrageously popular there for being one of the "tough" mons, but Charizard X is [[DarkIsNotEvil a black-colored version of it with red eyes and lots of spikes]] and is also an actual [[OurDragonsAreDifferent Dragon-type]]... and became one of the game's most-hyped additions, if not ''the'' most-hyped addition, by far in the US.
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** Dear god, Mega Charizard X in America. This is probably the fanbase's best example yet of AmericanKirbyIsHardcore; not only was Charizard already outrageously popular there for being one of the "tough" mons, but Charizard X is [[DarkIsNotEvil a black-colored version of it with red eyes and lots of spikes]] and is also an actual [[OurDragonsAreDifferent Dragon-type]]... and became one of the game's most-hyped additions, if not ''the'' most-hyped addition, by far in the US.
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* HilariousInHindsight: [[HilariousInHindsight/{{Pokemon}} Check the main page.]]
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* HilariousInHindsight: [[HilariousInHindsight/{{Pokemon}} Check the main page.]]page]].
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-->Hello... ... ...Oh!.... S-sorry... Oh... Silly me... [[HelloInsertNameHere <player name>]], you look so great... I was mesmerized by you... Ahem... Let me collect myself first...
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-->Oh, if it isn't my young Trainer... We seem to keep meeting like this, don't we? Then I suppose you have earned yourself the right to a battle, as a reward for your efforts.
-->I hope you will accept this gift from me... Please consider it as a personal gift from me, not simply the winnings of a battle.
-->I hope you will accept this gift from me... Please consider it as a personal gift from me, not simply the winnings of a battle.
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-->Oh, if it isn't my young Trainer... We seem to keep meeting like this, don't we? Then I suppose you have earned yourself the right to a battle, as a reward for your efforts.
-->I hope you will accept this gift from me... Please consider it as a personal gift from me, not simply the winnings of a battle.
-->I hope you will accept this gift from me...
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** Pokémon of the Fairy-type are getting this reputation... at least against Dragon-type Pokémon, often getting the title (Pokémon) - The Dragon Slayer! In line with this, the fanbase seems to enjoy depicting otherwise "cute" and fairly unassuming Pokémon beating up intimiating Dragon-types, or said Dragon-types expressing fear towards these Pokémon.
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** Pokémon of the Fairy-type are getting this reputation... at least against Dragon-type Pokémon, often getting the title (Pokémon) - The Dragon Slayer! In line with this, the fanbase seems to enjoy depicting otherwise "cute" and fairly unassuming Pokémon beating up intimiating Dragon-types, or said Dragon-types expressing fear towards these Pokémon.
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** With the announcement of ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon'' when many fans were holding out for the expected ''[[UpdatedRerelease Pokémon Z]]'', Zygarde has become a Memetic Loser due to the fact that it won't be the version mascot of its own game. [[http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1085174-pokemon Here]] [[http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1084922-pokemon are]] [[http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1085845-pokemon a]] [[http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1086719-pokemon few]] [[http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1086100-pokemon examples]]. This treatment is somewhat mitigated by the reveal that its 10% and Complete Forms will be available in ''Sun and Moon''.
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** With the announcement of ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon'' when many fans were holding out for the expected ''[[UpdatedRerelease Pokémon Z]]'', Zygarde has become a Memetic Loser due to the fact that it won't be the version mascot of its own game. [[http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1085174-pokemon Here]] [[http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1084922-pokemon com/photos/1084922-Pokémon are]] [[http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1085845-pokemon a]] [[http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1086719-pokemon few]] [[http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1086100-pokemon examples]]. This treatment is somewhat mitigated by the reveal that its 10% and Complete Forms will be available in ''Sun and Moon''.
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** Even the idea of an mid-battle SuperMode didn't originate here. The Pokemon TCG employed special "Level X" cards for the Diamond-Pearl-Platinum Era, though it treated them as "leveled up" cards rather than proper evolutions like in the games.
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** Even the idea of an mid-battle SuperMode didn't originate here. The Pokemon Pokémon TCG employed special "Level X" cards for the Diamond-Pearl-Platinum Era, though it treated them as "leveled up" cards rather than proper evolutions like in the games.
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** The Lumiose save glitch. It doesn't ''always'' happen, and doesn't affect ''all'' copies of the games... But there's no way to know for sure if it affects your copy unless you actually save outside. However, the patch Nintendo made can help alleviate this.
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** The Lumiose save glitch. It doesn't ''always'' happen, and doesn't affect ''all'' copies of the games... But but there's no way to know for sure if it affects your copy unless you actually save outside. However, the patch Nintendo made can help alleviate this.
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* PopularityPolynomial: Much like ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite'', ''Pokémon X'' and ''Pokémon Y'' were very popular when first released, fell out of favor with the core fanbase after a while, and then became more well-liked again when the [[VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon following (controversial) generation]] came out, to the point that a number of fans consider ''XY'' to be "the last great Pokémon games". There's quite a bit of heated debate on how well ''XY'' have aged compared to ''BW'' and their sequels, mostly due to the innovations they brought and sheer amounts of love and respect for the franchise's legacy[[note]]as opposed to the Unova games' arguable dismissal of such[[/note]] vs. [[FranchiseOriginalSin having flaws that would be repeated and amplified in later games]] and not having a third version or sequel to vindicate them.
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* PopularityPolynomial: Much like ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite'', ''Pokémon X'' and ''Pokémon Y'' were very popular when first released, fell out of favor with the core fanbase after a while, and then became more well-liked again when the [[VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon following (controversial) generation]] came out, to the point that a number of fans consider ''XY'' to be "the last great Pokémon games". There's quite a bit of heated debate on how well ''XY'' have aged compared to ''BW'' and their sequels, mostly due to the innovations they brought and sheer amounts of love and respect for the franchise's legacy[[note]]as opposed to the Unova games' arguable dismissal of such[[/note]] vs. [[FranchiseOriginalSin having flaws that would be repeated and amplified in later games]] and not having a third version or sequel to vindicate them.
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* SpecialEffectFailure: In Coumarine City, you can see the lower half of the city from the cliffs at the upper half... but the view does not include any of the actual buildings. They just aren't there.
** When the [[spoiler: Ultimate Weapon emerges in Geosenge Town, the only buildings shown are the log cabins that formed the circle, likely because all but one of them are tipped over by the force of the weapon. The Pokemon Centre, the hotel and the other cabin just aren't there.]]
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVxfSMyjpBs Playing with Mawile in Pokemon Amie]] causes its horn/jaws to dip past the background in impossible ways that make it look like Mawile levitating.
** When the [[spoiler: Ultimate Weapon emerges in Geosenge Town, the only buildings shown are the log cabins that formed the circle, likely because all but one of them are tipped over by the force of the weapon. The Pokemon Centre, the hotel and the other cabin just aren't there.]]
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVxfSMyjpBs Playing with Mawile in Pokemon Amie]] causes its horn/jaws to dip past the background in impossible ways that make it look like Mawile levitating.
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* SpecialEffectFailure: In Coumarine City, you can see the lower half of the city from the cliffs at the upper half... but the view does not include any of the actual buildings. They just aren't there.
** When the [[spoiler: Ultimate Weapon emerges in Geosenge Town, the only buildings shown are the log cabins that formed the circle, likely because all but one of them are tipped over by the force of the weapon. ThePokemon Centre, Pokémon Center, the hotel and the other cabin just aren't there.]]
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVxfSMyjpBs Playing with Mawile inPokemon Pokémon Amie]] causes its horn/jaws to dip past the background in impossible ways that make it look like Mawile levitating.
** When the [[spoiler: Ultimate Weapon emerges in Geosenge Town, the only buildings shown are the log cabins that formed the circle, likely because all but one of them are tipped over by the force of the weapon. The
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVxfSMyjpBs Playing with Mawile in
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: A lot of Pokemon cries from previous generations were "remastered" for these titles, which some people consider to be butchered versions of the originals.
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: A lot of Pokemon Pokémon cries from previous generations were "remastered" for these titles, which some people consider to be butchered versions of the originals.
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** ''X'' and ''Y'' was the first time there was a proper FiveManBand ensemble and could have had a lot of potentially interesting characterization developments. Unfortunately, the development for Tierno, Trevor, and Shauna stopped after the Team Flare plot ended (there is one more scene with them after you defeat Team Flare that one can assume is closure in a 'I will keep trying for my dream' way). To make it worse, the only character that you can have a rematch in the post game is your main rival.
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** ''X'' and ''Y'' ''XY'' was the first time there was a proper FiveManBand ensemble and could have had a lot of potentially interesting characterization developments. Unfortunately, the development for Tierno, Trevor, and Shauna stopped after the Team Flare plot ended (there is one more scene with them after you defeat Team Flare that one can assume is closure in a 'I will keep trying for my dream' way). To make it worse, the only character that you can have a rematch in the post game is your main rival.
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*** On a related note, Shauna also supposedly picks a Kanto starter, while the main rival receives whichever fossil you didn't pick... yet neither of these appear in their teams, either. Especially egregious in Shauna's case, as she only has three Pokémon the last time you fight her.
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*** On a related note, Shauna also supposedly picks a Kanto starter, while the main rival receives whichever fossil you didn't pick... yet neither of these appear in their teams, either. Especially egregious in Shauna's case, as she only has three Pokémon the last time you fight her.
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** [[spoiler:Due to Sycamore and Lysandre being friends and Malva reminded a lot of fans of the [[AdaptationalVillainy evil]] Gym Leaders and the Elite Four in Manga/PokemonAdventures,]] many people think that Sycamore and Diantha being [[spoiler: secretly in Team Flare]] would have been a very interesting thing to include.
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** [[spoiler:Due to Sycamore and Lysandre being friends and Malva reminded a lot of fans of the [[AdaptationalVillainy evil]] Gym Leaders and the Elite Four in Manga/PokemonAdventures,]] Manga/PokemonAdventures]], many people think that Sycamore and Diantha being [[spoiler: secretly in Team Flare]] would have been a very interesting thing to include.
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* TheWoobie: The main rival of Calem/Serena. They're one of the friendliest rivals in the series and also the child of a family of powerful trainers who's seen as something of an expert in the group early in the game who clearly holds their reputation to themselves... which makes it hard not to feel for them when despite this, you always end up one step ahead of them and they simply can't figure out why. They're not like the wacky or arrogant rivals in many previous games, yet unlike the likes of [[GracefulLoser Hugh]], they clearly still have a serious desire to surpass you; the end result is a serious trainer trying hard to raise their team, but who still CantCatchUp and ends up frustrated at themselves as a result while still being your friend and a good sport about their losses. And why can't they can't beat you? It's because you're the [[TheHero player character]], and they're not, which is made even harsher by the fact that they ''would've'' been the successful player character if you'd picked the opposite gender. [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption You always have to step all over their hopes and dreams to move forward]], and it starts to get a bit sad to see them come up short every time.[[spoiler:The postgame does reveal that [[ThrowTheDogABone they've managed to get a Mega Ring of their own in the end, though how they got it is never clearly explained.]]]] Hammering this home is their animation for when they lose. Where most trainers with full 3D models get something cartoonish, silly, or resigned, Calem and Serena look downright frustrated by their loss. It's summed up well by [[http://agentemerald.tumblr.com/post/64428128195/so-im-not-finished-with-the-game-yet-but-am-i-the this person]]: [[WhamLine You are the Rival's Gary Oak.]]
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* TheWoobie: The main rival of Calem/Serena. They're one of the friendliest rivals in the series and also the child of a family of powerful trainers who's seen as something of an expert in the group early in the game who clearly holds their reputation to themselves... which makes it hard not to feel for them when despite this, you always end up one step ahead of them and they simply can't figure out why. They're not like the wacky or arrogant rivals in many previous games, yet unlike the likes of [[GracefulLoser Hugh]], they clearly still have a serious desire to surpass you; the end result is a serious trainer trying hard to raise their team, but who still CantCatchUp and ends up frustrated at themselves as a result while still being your friend and a good sport about their losses. And why can't they can't beat you? It's because you're the [[TheHero player character]], and they're not, which is made even harsher by the fact that they ''would've'' been the successful player character if you'd picked the opposite gender. [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption You always have to step all over their hopes and dreams to move forward]], and it starts to get a bit sad to see them come up short every time.[[spoiler:The postgame does reveal that [[ThrowTheDogABone they've managed to get a Mega Ring of their own in the end, though how they got it is never clearly explained.]]]] Hammering this home is their animation for when they lose. Where most trainers with full 3D models get something cartoonish, silly, or resigned, Calem and Serena look downright frustrated by their loss. It's summed up well by [[http://agentemerald.tumblr.com/post/64428128195/so-im-not-finished-with-the-game-yet-but-am-i-the this person]]: [[WhamLine You are the Rival's Gary Oak.]]
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--->"Y'know... My Emolga really wants to shock your Dedenne."
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* AmericansHateTingle:
** Tierno scored third place on an ''X'' and ''Y'' character popularity poll in Japan. He gets hardly any attention from the Western fanbase. At least, [[TheScrappy not much positive attention.]]
** Tierno scored third place on an ''X'' and ''Y'' character popularity poll in Japan. He gets hardly any attention from the Western fanbase. At least, [[TheScrappy not much positive attention.]]
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* AmericansHateTingle:
**AmericansHateTingle: Tierno scored third place on an ''X'' and ''Y'' character popularity poll in Japan. He gets hardly any attention from the Western fanbase. At least, [[TheScrappy not much positive attention.]]
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* ToughActToFollow: While the games as a whole are [[BrokenBase contested]], their characters and story are generally agreed to be a step down from ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite'', with worse pacing and less organic integration. Most of the characters fill similar niches to the ''BW'' characters (such as Shauna, Tierno and Trevor with Bianca and Cheren, AZ with N, and Lysandre with Ghetsis), but are considered to be inferior in their roles.
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* HilariousInHindsight:
** Back in [[TheNineties the late 1990s]], [[UrbanLegendOfZelda there were many playground rumors (most of which also appeared on the Internet)]] detailing how to get "Poké Gods," even more powerful versions of certain Pokémon such as the starters, Mewtwo, and Raichu. Cut to 2013, and we now have even more powerful versions of Mewtwo, the Kanto Starters, and many others. Now if there were only Mega Nidoking (Nidogod) and Mega Nidoqueen (Nidogoddess).
** Similarly, there were jokes claiming that you could evolve Dragonite into [[Franchise/SuperMarioBros Yoshi]], or Lickitung into Luigi, by methods involving holding the Game Boy upside down. Now that the 3DS comes equipped with a motion sensor by default, one Pokémon (Inkay) evolves through just that method!
** There was a comic where Blaziken threatens Fennekin not to evolve into yet another Fire/Fighting. This was before Delphox is revealed, which is a Fire/'''Psychic'''.
** Some fans have been anticipating a "Dark/Psychic/Fighting" type triangle for starter Pokémon for a while, if only to have a change of pace from the traditional Fire/Water/Grass type triangle. Although the fully-evolved stages of the Kalos starter Pokémon end up maintaining the classic Fire/Water/Grass type triangle, their dual types are something to gaze upon: Greninja is Water/'''Dark''', Delphox is Fire/'''Psychic''', and Chesnaught is Grass/'''Fighting''', allowing the long-purported type triangle to "pseudo-manifest" as secondary types in the Kalos' starters' final type combinations. Though, on the Pokémon they're on, it doesn't amount to a complete balance. If anything, it one-sides the triangle even further. Grass/Fighting vs. Fire/Psychic means the fox (just on types alone) will always win.
** Early on when ''Franchise/{{Digimon}}'' first released internationally, many complained that it copied ''Pokémon'', now that Mega Evolutions have been included, many people have been claiming ''Pokémon'' is ripping off '''''Digimon'''''.
** ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance'' featured {{Mon}}s as party members, which naturally drew comparisons to ''Pokémon'', one of the major aspects of that game's Mons was that it had a virtual pet aspect similar to ''VideoGame/{{Nintendogs}}'' for you to bond with them. It was rather amusing that little more than a year later, ''Pokémon'' did the same thing.
** One of the new trainer classes is "Brains and Brawn", which pairs a Psychic and a Black Belt. The anime did this long before ''X'' and ''Y'' back in 2009 with a tag battle pairing the two against Ash and Paul.
** Several Guides for ''Pokémon Red'' and ''Blue'' erroneously claimed that Hyper Beam was super effective against Dragon-types. Mega Gardevoir and Sylveon's Pixilate ability, which turns Normal attacks into Fairy type, as well as the Refrigerate ability that turns Normal attacks into Ice attacks, means this is now possible.
** People made [[Franchise/KingdomHearts Organization XIII]] jokes since Xerneas' name was revealed. And thus, they begun [[SignificantAnagram unscrambling the letters]] to figure out what the original name was. [[spoiler:[[ContrivedCoincidence Take away the X, and you get Serena.]]]]
** Yet another ''Kingdom Hearts'' example: ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'' introduced everyone to the "Get up on the [[Disney/{{Hercules}} Hydra]]'s back!" meme, which received some use in ''Pokémon'' after the introduction of Hydreigon, especially since a similar scene happens in the anime. And then this game not only introduces the Fairy-type that dominates the dark dragon in all aspects, but also a fairy Pokémon that has the proper secondary type to double-resist both of Hydreigon's innate types: Klefki, the ''key'' Pokémon.
** In an early episode of ''Pokémon'' anime, "The Tower of Terror," Ash's and Pikachu's souls are dragged out of their bodies by a Haunter, turning them temporarily into ghosts. Now there exists a Ghost-type move called "Trick-or-Treat," which transforms the opponent into a Ghost-type. Only Pumpkaboo and Gourgeist can learn it, though.
** A minor one, but [[http://fyeahpokemoncreepypasta.tumblr.com/post/1547415858/the-arms this]] ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Pokémon Emerald]]'' CreepyPasta deals with the player fighting a MultiArmedAndDangerous EldritchAbomination that killed Hoenn's Elite 4's Pokémon. The trainer sent out a Sableye, knowing that it has no weaknesses... and then the EldritchAbomination uses the [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue infamous]] White Hand to kill it. In these games, Sableye actually has an innate weakness to Fairy-types.
** [[http://www.dorkly.com/comic/53563/most-useless-megaevolutions-in-pokemon This comic]] shows various ludicrous "Mega Evolution" ideas. However, Mega Alakazam does exist... and he's seen juggling a huge amount of spoons. Mega Slowbro exists now, too, and it looks exactly like in the picture!
** Remember the [[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl Galactic grunts]] trying to get honey? Well, this game allows you to use honey to initiate horde battles. Meaning that you can use it to attract Pokémon in great numbers.
** "KISEKI" would have been a fitting end credits song for ''[[Anime/PokemonTheFirstMovie Mewtwo Strikes Back]]'', considering how its lyrics basically state "all life is equal" and "life is worth living to its fullest," which (aside from being major themes in AZ's story) are basically the entire {{Aesop}} that Mewtwo learns over the course of the movie, especially in the Japanese version. Not to mention that you can catch Mewtwo itself in these games.
** In a bootleg game for the UsefulNotes/NintendoEntertainmentSystem, "Pokémon 4-in-1," there is a game called [=PicaClick=], where you randomly click blocks. Guess what you do in the Global Link attraction, "Balloon Popping"?
** An episode of ''WebVideo/YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries'' has Joey make [[IncrediblyLamePun intentionally horrible]] Mega Charizard puns while riding a Baby Dragon (which very vaguely resembles a Charizard). Mega Charizard X, revealed a few days later, bears a much greater resemblance to the Red-Eyes Black Dragon -- Joey's signature card.
** In ''Platinum''[='s=] post-main scenario, Gardenia will at one point admit that she has no idea what she'd do if she ever encountered a Grass/Ghost Pokémon--she adores Grass Pokémon, but is terrified of ghosts. Between Phantump/Trevenant and Pumpkaboo/Gourgeist, she may want to hold off on going to Kalos for a bit...
** The "Hoenn confirmed" meme, now that Hoenn ''has'' been confirmed.
*** Though as a short joke a bunch of "Sinnoh confirmed" memes popped up for about a week.
** Diggersby Tho is funnier seeing that Diggersby is actually BL on Smogon, a tier that's below OU.
** The female character is named Serena, in the generation that introduces the Fairy-type, which is affiliated with [[{{Lunacy}} moon powers]], thus inviting ''Franchise/SailorMoon'' comparisons.
** There was a compilation album of themes from the American dub of ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' that went by the title ''Pokémon X'' (which can be found in digital format on [=iTunes=], for those curious). It was released to [[MilestoneCelebration commemorate the show's tenth anniversary]], back when the dub had just hit the ''Battle Frontier'' portion of Advanced Generation, quite some time before there was a Gen IV, let alone V and VI.
*** Additionally, the webcomic ''Webcomic/PokemonX'' existed, to which the author commented on the games via Twitter.
** With its flat, wide base, its long "neck", and metallic green color, the Ultimate Weapon portrayed in the backstory cutscene bears a striking resemblance to [[VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon Celesteela]].
** Take a look at Olympia. Now take a look at [[VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon Lunala]].
** Back in [[TheNineties the late 1990s]], [[UrbanLegendOfZelda there were many playground rumors (most of which also appeared on the Internet)]] detailing how to get "Poké Gods," even more powerful versions of certain Pokémon such as the starters, Mewtwo, and Raichu. Cut to 2013, and we now have even more powerful versions of Mewtwo, the Kanto Starters, and many others. Now if there were only Mega Nidoking (Nidogod) and Mega Nidoqueen (Nidogoddess).
** Similarly, there were jokes claiming that you could evolve Dragonite into [[Franchise/SuperMarioBros Yoshi]], or Lickitung into Luigi, by methods involving holding the Game Boy upside down. Now that the 3DS comes equipped with a motion sensor by default, one Pokémon (Inkay) evolves through just that method!
** There was a comic where Blaziken threatens Fennekin not to evolve into yet another Fire/Fighting. This was before Delphox is revealed, which is a Fire/'''Psychic'''.
** Some fans have been anticipating a "Dark/Psychic/Fighting" type triangle for starter Pokémon for a while, if only to have a change of pace from the traditional Fire/Water/Grass type triangle. Although the fully-evolved stages of the Kalos starter Pokémon end up maintaining the classic Fire/Water/Grass type triangle, their dual types are something to gaze upon: Greninja is Water/'''Dark''', Delphox is Fire/'''Psychic''', and Chesnaught is Grass/'''Fighting''', allowing the long-purported type triangle to "pseudo-manifest" as secondary types in the Kalos' starters' final type combinations. Though, on the Pokémon they're on, it doesn't amount to a complete balance. If anything, it one-sides the triangle even further. Grass/Fighting vs. Fire/Psychic means the fox (just on types alone) will always win.
** Early on when ''Franchise/{{Digimon}}'' first released internationally, many complained that it copied ''Pokémon'', now that Mega Evolutions have been included, many people have been claiming ''Pokémon'' is ripping off '''''Digimon'''''.
** ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance'' featured {{Mon}}s as party members, which naturally drew comparisons to ''Pokémon'', one of the major aspects of that game's Mons was that it had a virtual pet aspect similar to ''VideoGame/{{Nintendogs}}'' for you to bond with them. It was rather amusing that little more than a year later, ''Pokémon'' did the same thing.
** One of the new trainer classes is "Brains and Brawn", which pairs a Psychic and a Black Belt. The anime did this long before ''X'' and ''Y'' back in 2009 with a tag battle pairing the two against Ash and Paul.
** Several Guides for ''Pokémon Red'' and ''Blue'' erroneously claimed that Hyper Beam was super effective against Dragon-types. Mega Gardevoir and Sylveon's Pixilate ability, which turns Normal attacks into Fairy type, as well as the Refrigerate ability that turns Normal attacks into Ice attacks, means this is now possible.
** People made [[Franchise/KingdomHearts Organization XIII]] jokes since Xerneas' name was revealed. And thus, they begun [[SignificantAnagram unscrambling the letters]] to figure out what the original name was. [[spoiler:[[ContrivedCoincidence Take away the X, and you get Serena.]]]]
** Yet another ''Kingdom Hearts'' example: ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'' introduced everyone to the "Get up on the [[Disney/{{Hercules}} Hydra]]'s back!" meme, which received some use in ''Pokémon'' after the introduction of Hydreigon, especially since a similar scene happens in the anime. And then this game not only introduces the Fairy-type that dominates the dark dragon in all aspects, but also a fairy Pokémon that has the proper secondary type to double-resist both of Hydreigon's innate types: Klefki, the ''key'' Pokémon.
** In an early episode of ''Pokémon'' anime, "The Tower of Terror," Ash's and Pikachu's souls are dragged out of their bodies by a Haunter, turning them temporarily into ghosts. Now there exists a Ghost-type move called "Trick-or-Treat," which transforms the opponent into a Ghost-type. Only Pumpkaboo and Gourgeist can learn it, though.
** A minor one, but [[http://fyeahpokemoncreepypasta.tumblr.com/post/1547415858/the-arms this]] ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Pokémon Emerald]]'' CreepyPasta deals with the player fighting a MultiArmedAndDangerous EldritchAbomination that killed Hoenn's Elite 4's Pokémon. The trainer sent out a Sableye, knowing that it has no weaknesses... and then the EldritchAbomination uses the [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue infamous]] White Hand to kill it. In these games, Sableye actually has an innate weakness to Fairy-types.
** [[http://www.dorkly.com/comic/53563/most-useless-megaevolutions-in-pokemon This comic]] shows various ludicrous "Mega Evolution" ideas. However, Mega Alakazam does exist... and he's seen juggling a huge amount of spoons. Mega Slowbro exists now, too, and it looks exactly like in the picture!
** Remember the [[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl Galactic grunts]] trying to get honey? Well, this game allows you to use honey to initiate horde battles. Meaning that you can use it to attract Pokémon in great numbers.
** "KISEKI" would have been a fitting end credits song for ''[[Anime/PokemonTheFirstMovie Mewtwo Strikes Back]]'', considering how its lyrics basically state "all life is equal" and "life is worth living to its fullest," which (aside from being major themes in AZ's story) are basically the entire {{Aesop}} that Mewtwo learns over the course of the movie, especially in the Japanese version. Not to mention that you can catch Mewtwo itself in these games.
** In a bootleg game for the UsefulNotes/NintendoEntertainmentSystem, "Pokémon 4-in-1," there is a game called [=PicaClick=], where you randomly click blocks. Guess what you do in the Global Link attraction, "Balloon Popping"?
** An episode of ''WebVideo/YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries'' has Joey make [[IncrediblyLamePun intentionally horrible]] Mega Charizard puns while riding a Baby Dragon (which very vaguely resembles a Charizard). Mega Charizard X, revealed a few days later, bears a much greater resemblance to the Red-Eyes Black Dragon -- Joey's signature card.
** In ''Platinum''[='s=] post-main scenario, Gardenia will at one point admit that she has no idea what she'd do if she ever encountered a Grass/Ghost Pokémon--she adores Grass Pokémon, but is terrified of ghosts. Between Phantump/Trevenant and Pumpkaboo/Gourgeist, she may want to hold off on going to Kalos for a bit...
** The "Hoenn confirmed" meme, now that Hoenn ''has'' been confirmed.
*** Though as a short joke a bunch of "Sinnoh confirmed" memes popped up for about a week.
** Diggersby Tho is funnier seeing that Diggersby is actually BL on Smogon, a tier that's below OU.
** The female character is named Serena, in the generation that introduces the Fairy-type, which is affiliated with [[{{Lunacy}} moon powers]], thus inviting ''Franchise/SailorMoon'' comparisons.
** There was a compilation album of themes from the American dub of ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' that went by the title ''Pokémon X'' (which can be found in digital format on [=iTunes=], for those curious). It was released to [[MilestoneCelebration commemorate the show's tenth anniversary]], back when the dub had just hit the ''Battle Frontier'' portion of Advanced Generation, quite some time before there was a Gen IV, let alone V and VI.
*** Additionally, the webcomic ''Webcomic/PokemonX'' existed, to which the author commented on the games via Twitter.
** With its flat, wide base, its long "neck", and metallic green color, the Ultimate Weapon portrayed in the backstory cutscene bears a striking resemblance to [[VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon Celesteela]].
** Take a look at Olympia. Now take a look at [[VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon Lunala]].
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* HilariousInHindsight:
** Back in [[TheNinetiesHilariousInHindsight: [[HilariousInHindsight/{{Pokemon}} Check the late 1990s]], [[UrbanLegendOfZelda there were many playground rumors (most of which also appeared on the Internet)]] detailing how to get "Poké Gods," even more powerful versions of certain Pokémon such as the starters, Mewtwo, and Raichu. Cut to 2013, and we now have even more powerful versions of Mewtwo, the Kanto Starters, and many others. Now if there were only Mega Nidoking (Nidogod) and Mega Nidoqueen (Nidogoddess).
** Similarly, there were jokes claiming that you could evolve Dragonite into [[Franchise/SuperMarioBros Yoshi]], or Lickitung into Luigi, by methods involving holding the Game Boy upside down. Now that the 3DS comes equipped with a motion sensor by default, one Pokémon (Inkay) evolves through just that method!
** There was a comic where Blaziken threatens Fennekin not to evolve into yet another Fire/Fighting. This was before Delphox is revealed, which is a Fire/'''Psychic'''.
** Some fans have been anticipating a "Dark/Psychic/Fighting" type triangle for starter Pokémon for a while, if only to have a change of pace from the traditional Fire/Water/Grass type triangle. Although the fully-evolved stages of the Kalos starter Pokémon end up maintaining the classic Fire/Water/Grass type triangle, their dual types are something to gaze upon: Greninja is Water/'''Dark''', Delphox is Fire/'''Psychic''', and Chesnaught is Grass/'''Fighting''', allowing the long-purported type triangle to "pseudo-manifest" as secondary types in the Kalos' starters' final type combinations. Though, on the Pokémon they're on, it doesn't amount to a complete balance. If anything, it one-sides the triangle even further. Grass/Fighting vs. Fire/Psychic means the fox (just on types alone) will always win.
** Early on when ''Franchise/{{Digimon}}'' first released internationally, many complained that it copied ''Pokémon'', now that Mega Evolutions have been included, many people have been claiming ''Pokémon'' is ripping off '''''Digimon'''''.
** ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance'' featured {{Mon}}s as party members, which naturally drew comparisons to ''Pokémon'', one of the major aspects of that game's Mons was that it had a virtual pet aspect similar to ''VideoGame/{{Nintendogs}}'' for you to bond with them. It was rather amusing that little more than a year later, ''Pokémon'' did the same thing.
** One of the new trainer classes is "Brains and Brawn", which pairs a Psychic and a Black Belt. The anime did this long before ''X'' and ''Y'' back in 2009 with a tag battle pairing the two against Ash and Paul.
** Several Guides for ''Pokémon Red'' and ''Blue'' erroneously claimed that Hyper Beam was super effective against Dragon-types. Mega Gardevoir and Sylveon's Pixilate ability, which turns Normal attacks into Fairy type, as well as the Refrigerate ability that turns Normal attacks into Ice attacks, means this is now possible.
** People made [[Franchise/KingdomHearts Organization XIII]] jokes since Xerneas' name was revealed. And thus, they begun [[SignificantAnagram unscrambling the letters]] to figure out what the original name was. [[spoiler:[[ContrivedCoincidence Take away the X, and you get Serena.]]]]
** Yet another ''Kingdom Hearts'' example: ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'' introduced everyone to the "Get up on the [[Disney/{{Hercules}} Hydra]]'s back!" meme, which received some use in ''Pokémon'' after the introduction of Hydreigon, especially since a similar scene happens in the anime. And then this game not only introduces the Fairy-type that dominates the dark dragon in all aspects, but also a fairy Pokémon that has the proper secondary type to double-resist both of Hydreigon's innate types: Klefki, the ''key'' Pokémon.
** In an early episode of ''Pokémon'' anime, "The Tower of Terror," Ash's and Pikachu's souls are dragged out of their bodies by a Haunter, turning them temporarily into ghosts. Now there exists a Ghost-type move called "Trick-or-Treat," which transforms the opponent into a Ghost-type. Only Pumpkaboo and Gourgeist can learn it, though.
** A minor one, but [[http://fyeahpokemoncreepypasta.tumblr.com/post/1547415858/the-arms this]] ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Pokémon Emerald]]'' CreepyPasta deals with the player fighting a MultiArmedAndDangerous EldritchAbomination that killed Hoenn's Elite 4's Pokémon. The trainer sent out a Sableye, knowing that it has no weaknesses... and then the EldritchAbomination uses the [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue infamous]] White Hand to kill it. In these games, Sableye actually has an innate weakness to Fairy-types.
** [[http://www.dorkly.com/comic/53563/most-useless-megaevolutions-in-pokemon This comic]] shows various ludicrous "Mega Evolution" ideas. However, Mega Alakazam does exist... and he's seen juggling a huge amount of spoons. Mega Slowbro exists now, too, and it looks exactly like in the picture!
** Remember the [[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl Galactic grunts]] trying to get honey? Well, this game allows you to use honey to initiate horde battles. Meaning that you can use it to attract Pokémon in great numbers.
** "KISEKI" would have been a fitting end credits song for ''[[Anime/PokemonTheFirstMovie Mewtwo Strikes Back]]'', considering how its lyrics basically state "all life is equal" and "life is worth living to its fullest," which (aside from being major themes in AZ's story) are basically the entire {{Aesop}} that Mewtwo learns over the course of the movie, especially in the Japanese version. Not to mention that you can catch Mewtwo itself in these games.
** In a bootleg game for the UsefulNotes/NintendoEntertainmentSystem, "Pokémon 4-in-1," there is a game called [=PicaClick=], where you randomly click blocks. Guess what you do in the Global Link attraction, "Balloon Popping"?
** An episode of ''WebVideo/YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries'' has Joey make [[IncrediblyLamePun intentionally horrible]] Mega Charizard puns while riding a Baby Dragon (which very vaguely resembles a Charizard). Mega Charizard X, revealed a few days later, bears a much greater resemblance to the Red-Eyes Black Dragon -- Joey's signature card.
** In ''Platinum''[='s=] post-main scenario, Gardenia will at one point admit that she has no idea what she'd do if she ever encountered a Grass/Ghost Pokémon--she adores Grass Pokémon, but is terrified of ghosts. Between Phantump/Trevenant and Pumpkaboo/Gourgeist, she may want to hold off on going to Kalos for a bit...
** The "Hoenn confirmed" meme, now that Hoenn ''has'' been confirmed.
*** Though as a short joke a bunch of "Sinnoh confirmed" memes popped up for about a week.
** Diggersby Tho is funnier seeing that Diggersby is actually BL on Smogon, a tier that's below OU.
** The female character is named Serena, in the generation that introduces the Fairy-type, which is affiliated with [[{{Lunacy}} moon powers]], thus inviting ''Franchise/SailorMoon'' comparisons.
** There was a compilation album of themes from the American dub of ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' that went by the title ''Pokémon X'' (which can be found in digital format on [=iTunes=], for those curious). It was released to [[MilestoneCelebration commemorate the show's tenth anniversary]], back when the dub had just hit the ''Battle Frontier'' portion of Advanced Generation, quite some time before there was a Gen IV, let alone V and VI.
*** Additionally, the webcomic ''Webcomic/PokemonX'' existed, to which the author commented on the games via Twitter.
** With its flat, wide base, its long "neck", and metallic green color, the Ultimate Weapon portrayed in the backstory cutscene bears a striking resemblance to [[VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon Celesteela]].
** Take a look at Olympia. Now take a look at [[VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon Lunala]].main page.]]
** Back in [[TheNineties
** Similarly, there were jokes claiming that you could evolve Dragonite into [[Franchise/SuperMarioBros Yoshi]], or Lickitung into Luigi, by methods involving holding the Game Boy upside down. Now that the 3DS comes equipped with a motion sensor by default, one Pokémon (Inkay) evolves through just that method!
** There was a comic where Blaziken threatens Fennekin not to evolve into yet another Fire/Fighting. This was before Delphox is revealed, which is a Fire/'''Psychic'''.
** Some fans have been anticipating a "Dark/Psychic/Fighting" type triangle for starter Pokémon for a while, if only to have a change of pace from the traditional Fire/Water/Grass type triangle. Although the fully-evolved stages of the Kalos starter Pokémon end up maintaining the classic Fire/Water/Grass type triangle, their dual types are something to gaze upon: Greninja is Water/'''Dark''', Delphox is Fire/'''Psychic''', and Chesnaught is Grass/'''Fighting''', allowing the long-purported type triangle to "pseudo-manifest" as secondary types in the Kalos' starters' final type combinations. Though, on the Pokémon they're on, it doesn't amount to a complete balance. If anything, it one-sides the triangle even further. Grass/Fighting vs. Fire/Psychic means the fox (just on types alone) will always win.
** Early on when ''Franchise/{{Digimon}}'' first released internationally, many complained that it copied ''Pokémon'', now that Mega Evolutions have been included, many people have been claiming ''Pokémon'' is ripping off '''''Digimon'''''.
** ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance'' featured {{Mon}}s as party members, which naturally drew comparisons to ''Pokémon'', one of the major aspects of that game's Mons was that it had a virtual pet aspect similar to ''VideoGame/{{Nintendogs}}'' for you to bond with them. It was rather amusing that little more than a year later, ''Pokémon'' did the same thing.
** One of the new trainer classes is "Brains and Brawn", which pairs a Psychic and a Black Belt. The anime did this long before ''X'' and ''Y'' back in 2009 with a tag battle pairing the two against Ash and Paul.
** Several Guides for ''Pokémon Red'' and ''Blue'' erroneously claimed that Hyper Beam was super effective against Dragon-types. Mega Gardevoir and Sylveon's Pixilate ability, which turns Normal attacks into Fairy type, as well as the Refrigerate ability that turns Normal attacks into Ice attacks, means this is now possible.
** People made [[Franchise/KingdomHearts Organization XIII]] jokes since Xerneas' name was revealed. And thus, they begun [[SignificantAnagram unscrambling the letters]] to figure out what the original name was. [[spoiler:[[ContrivedCoincidence Take away the X, and you get Serena.]]]]
** Yet another ''Kingdom Hearts'' example: ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'' introduced everyone to the "Get up on the [[Disney/{{Hercules}} Hydra]]'s back!" meme, which received some use in ''Pokémon'' after the introduction of Hydreigon, especially since a similar scene happens in the anime. And then this game not only introduces the Fairy-type that dominates the dark dragon in all aspects, but also a fairy Pokémon that has the proper secondary type to double-resist both of Hydreigon's innate types: Klefki, the ''key'' Pokémon.
** In an early episode of ''Pokémon'' anime, "The Tower of Terror," Ash's and Pikachu's souls are dragged out of their bodies by a Haunter, turning them temporarily into ghosts. Now there exists a Ghost-type move called "Trick-or-Treat," which transforms the opponent into a Ghost-type. Only Pumpkaboo and Gourgeist can learn it, though.
** A minor one, but [[http://fyeahpokemoncreepypasta.tumblr.com/post/1547415858/the-arms this]] ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Pokémon Emerald]]'' CreepyPasta deals with the player fighting a MultiArmedAndDangerous EldritchAbomination that killed Hoenn's Elite 4's Pokémon. The trainer sent out a Sableye, knowing that it has no weaknesses... and then the EldritchAbomination uses the [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue infamous]] White Hand to kill it. In these games, Sableye actually has an innate weakness to Fairy-types.
** [[http://www.dorkly.com/comic/53563/most-useless-megaevolutions-in-pokemon This comic]] shows various ludicrous "Mega Evolution" ideas. However, Mega Alakazam does exist... and he's seen juggling a huge amount of spoons. Mega Slowbro exists now, too, and it looks exactly like in the picture!
** Remember the [[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl Galactic grunts]] trying to get honey? Well, this game allows you to use honey to initiate horde battles. Meaning that you can use it to attract Pokémon in great numbers.
** "KISEKI" would have been a fitting end credits song for ''[[Anime/PokemonTheFirstMovie Mewtwo Strikes Back]]'', considering how its lyrics basically state "all life is equal" and "life is worth living to its fullest," which (aside from being major themes in AZ's story) are basically the entire {{Aesop}} that Mewtwo learns over the course of the movie, especially in the Japanese version. Not to mention that you can catch Mewtwo itself in these games.
** In a bootleg game for the UsefulNotes/NintendoEntertainmentSystem, "Pokémon 4-in-1," there is a game called [=PicaClick=], where you randomly click blocks. Guess what you do in the Global Link attraction, "Balloon Popping"?
** An episode of ''WebVideo/YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries'' has Joey make [[IncrediblyLamePun intentionally horrible]] Mega Charizard puns while riding a Baby Dragon (which very vaguely resembles a Charizard). Mega Charizard X, revealed a few days later, bears a much greater resemblance to the Red-Eyes Black Dragon -- Joey's signature card.
** In ''Platinum''[='s=] post-main scenario, Gardenia will at one point admit that she has no idea what she'd do if she ever encountered a Grass/Ghost Pokémon--she adores Grass Pokémon, but is terrified of ghosts. Between Phantump/Trevenant and Pumpkaboo/Gourgeist, she may want to hold off on going to Kalos for a bit...
** The "Hoenn confirmed" meme, now that Hoenn ''has'' been confirmed.
*** Though as a short joke a bunch of "Sinnoh confirmed" memes popped up for about a week.
** Diggersby Tho is funnier seeing that Diggersby is actually BL on Smogon, a tier that's below OU.
** The female character is named Serena, in the generation that introduces the Fairy-type, which is affiliated with [[{{Lunacy}} moon powers]], thus inviting ''Franchise/SailorMoon'' comparisons.
** There was a compilation album of themes from the American dub of ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' that went by the title ''Pokémon X'' (which can be found in digital format on [=iTunes=], for those curious). It was released to [[MilestoneCelebration commemorate the show's tenth anniversary]], back when the dub had just hit the ''Battle Frontier'' portion of Advanced Generation, quite some time before there was a Gen IV, let alone V and VI.
*** Additionally, the webcomic ''Webcomic/PokemonX'' existed, to which the author commented on the games via Twitter.
** With its flat, wide base, its long "neck", and metallic green color, the Ultimate Weapon portrayed in the backstory cutscene bears a striking resemblance to [[VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon Celesteela]].
** Take a look at Olympia. Now take a look at [[VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon Lunala]].
