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* AssPull: The ending of ''Fate's Carnival'', the last puzzle you have to solve is destroying Alister Dalimar's journal (which you've had since ''the beginning of the game'') with a silver dagger. However when that doesn't work, what do you use to stop it? [[spoiler:Your silver badge -- thanks to Madame Fate's advice -- which was originally used as the logo for the franchise which could've been used prior to the puzzle to end the game earlier!]]

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* AssPull: The ending of ''Fate's Carnival'', the Carnival'' can be considered this. The last puzzle you have to solve is destroying Alister Dalimar's journal (which you've had since ''the beginning of the game'') with a silver dagger. However However, when that doesn't work, what do you use to stop it? [[spoiler:Your silver badge -- thanks to Madame Fate's advice -- which was originally used as the logo for the franchise franchise. and which could've been used prior to the puzzle to end the game earlier!]]
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* AssPull: The ending of ''Fate's Carnival'', the last puzzle you have to solve is destroying Alister Dalimar's journal (which you've had since ''the beginning of the game'') with a silver dagger. However when that doesn't work, what do you use to stop it? [[spoiler:Your silver badge -- thanks to Madame Fate's advice -- which was originally used as the logo for the franchise which could've been used prior to the puzzle to end the game earlier!]]

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Nightmare Fuel has its own subpage.


* NightmareFuel: Increasing with each game in the ''Ravenhearst'' arc.
** People who have a phobia of skeletons would do well to keep away from these games, particularly ''13th Skull'' (as the name would imply).
** The fates of the performers in ''Madame Fate'' are all sorts of grisly. We have Art [[spoiler: stuffing his mouth with cigars, smoking himself to death]], Dante [[spoiler: being hung ''by his own tongue'']], and Francesco [[spoiler: being so hungry he died after ''eating a horse''.]]
** ''Escape From Ravenhearst'' comes with a trigger warning on the download page for a ''reason''. [[spoiler: Multiple reasons, in fact - among them, implied child abuse and a patient's eye view of a Victorian insane asylum.]]
* NoYay: Charles and the Master Detective's interactions in ''Escape from Ravenhearst''. First, he asks her to [[spoiler: "give birth to him"]]. [[ItMakesSenseInContext She does]]. Then he pulls off [[spoiler: an AccidentalMarriage trick]] on her. Gah.

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* NightmareFuel: Increasing with each game in the ''Ravenhearst'' arc.
** People who have a phobia of skeletons would do well to keep away from these games, particularly ''13th Skull'' (as the name would imply).
** The fates of the performers in ''Madame Fate'' are all sorts of grisly. We have Art [[spoiler: stuffing his mouth with cigars, smoking himself to death]], Dante [[spoiler: being hung ''by his own tongue'']], and Francesco [[spoiler: being so hungry he died after ''eating a horse''.]]
** ''Escape From Ravenhearst'' comes with a trigger warning on the download page for a ''reason''. [[spoiler: Multiple reasons, in fact - among them, implied child abuse and a patient's eye view of a Victorian insane asylum.]]
* NoYay: Charles and the Master Detective's interactions in ''Escape from Ravenhearst''. First, he asks her to [[spoiler: "give birth to him"]]. [[ItMakesSenseInContext She does]].does. Then he pulls off [[spoiler: an AccidentalMarriage trick]] on her. Gah.
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* NoYay: Charles and detective's interactions in ''Escape from Ravenhearst''. First, he asks her to [[spoiler: "give birth to him"]]. [[ItMakesSenseInContext She does]]. Then he pulls off [[spoiler: an AccidentalMarriage trick]] on her. Gah.

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* NoYay: Charles and detective's the Master Detective's interactions in ''Escape from Ravenhearst''. First, he asks her to [[spoiler: "give birth to him"]]. [[ItMakesSenseInContext She does]]. Then he pulls off [[spoiler: an AccidentalMarriage trick]] on her. Gah.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: The revelation in ''Key'' that [[spoiler: Charles fathered Gwendolyn and Charlotte, not just Victor,]] suggests that Rose may not have been as fragile or innocent as she'd seemed to be in the earlier games. [[spoiler: Indeed, if she was sleeping with Charles while still living as Mr. Somersett's wife, it's conceivable that she'd attempted to help Emma escape out of ''jealousy'', not fear for Emma's own welfare.]] And Charles probably knew it, hence his mistreatment of Rose while she was his ReplacementGoldfish for Emma.
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* NoYay: Charles and detective's interactions in ''Escape from Ravenhearst''. First, he asks her to [[spoiler: "give birth to him"]]. [[ItMakesSenseInContext She does]]. Then he pulls off [[spoiler: an AccidentalMarriage trick]] on her. Gah.

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* NoYay: Charles and detective's interactions in ''Escape from Ravenhearst''. First, he asks her to [[spoiler: "give birth to him"]]. [[ItMakesSenseInContext She does]]. Then he pulls off [[spoiler: an AccidentalMarriage trick]] on her. Gah.Gah.
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* CompleteMonster: If you didn't think Alister Dalimar was one before, [[spoiler:learning that he killed his ''own daughter'' in order to kick off a clan feud that plays into his plan for gaining immortality]], you'd think he is now. The detective even comments that he's a complete madman, if he's still a man.
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* CompleteMonster: If you didn't think Alister Dalimar was one before, [[spoiler:learning that he killed his ''own daughter'' in order to kick off a clan feud that plays into his plan for gaining immortality]], you'd think he is now. The detective even comments that he's a complete madman, if he's still a man.
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I fail to see how it\'s an Ass Pull if this plot point is set up at the very beginning of the game.


* AssPull: The ending of ''Fate's Carnival''. [[spoiler: As it turns out the diary that you find at the very end of the game that you use the dagger on? It's fake. How does the master detective stop Alister? Well apparently the diary they found at the ''beginning of the game'' is the real one, and they use their "Silver MCF Badge" to lay the killing blow!]]
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this is probably just me, but...

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* AssPull: The ending of ''Fate's Carnival''. [[spoiler: As it turns out the diary that you find at the very end of the game that you use the dagger on? It's fake. How does the master detective stop Alister? Well apparently the diary they found at the ''beginning of the game'' is the real one, and they use their "Silver MCF Badge" to lay the killing blow!]]
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* NightmareFuel: Increasing with each game, at least in the PC versions.

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* NightmareFuel: Increasing with each game, at least game in the PC versions.''Ravenhearst'' arc.



** ''Escape From Ravenhearst'' comes with a trigger warning on the download page for a ''reason''. [[spoiler: Multiple reasons, in fact -- implied child abuse and a patient's eye view of a Victorian insane asylum.]]

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** ''Escape From Ravenhearst'' comes with a trigger warning on the download page for a ''reason''. [[spoiler: Multiple reasons, in fact -- - among them, implied child abuse and a patient's eye view of a Victorian insane asylum.]]
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Cut for having no context; if anyone wants to re-add, discuss it here first.


* CompleteMonster: ''Ravenhearst'''s Charles Dalimar seems like a StalkerWithACrush, hence is at least somewhat comprehensible as a villain, but he's become this trope in spades by ''Return''.
** His mother also, assuming [[spoiler: the re-creation of his childhood home for ''Escape'']] is accurate.
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* FridgeBrilliance: The reason why you see Charles [[spoiler: as the killer who offed Madame Fate? It's personal; he used to be an exhibit in her carnival before sent into an asylum!]]
* FridgeHorror: The {{backstory}} of ''Dire Grove''. The banshee came into existence because of a virgin sacrifice - one which involved the girl being sealed in an ice cave until she died. ItMakesSenseInContext, but if you give it any thought after you solve the mystery...no wonder she wanted revenge!
* FridgeLogic: Who exactly drew the sketches in Emma's diary in ''Ravenhearst''? Especially the one of [[spoiler:Charles about to kill her with a hatchet]]? It could be that the detective herself was the one who drew most of them, but there's no indication that she should have known that particular detail. Artistic license?
** FridgeBrilliance: ''Escape'' reveals that ghosts can alter the appearance of objects, so maybe the "sketches" were blank paper until the Master Detective started reading the diary and Emma made the drawings appear.
** Additional FridgeLogic: What use is it to track down and dispose of the cursed horn from ''Shadow Lake'', if [[spoiler: the ''rest'' of the demon skeleton is left lying around where anyone who snoops around the ruined prison could find it?]]
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** Additional FridgeLogic: What use is it to track down and dispose of the cursed horn from ''Shadow Lake'', if [[spoiler: the ''rest'' of the demon skeleton is left lying around where anyone who snoops around the ruined prison could find it?]]
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This isn\'t YMMV. Moving.


* ExcusePlot: The plots in all the games are basically excuses to look for random objects in cluttered scenes.
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** ''Escape From Ravenhearst'' comes with a trigger warning on the download page for a ''reason''. [[spoiler: Multiple reasons, in fact -- implied child abuse and a patient's eye view of a Victorian insane asylum.]]
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* NauseaFuel: The orders Charles' mother gives him in ''Escape from Ravenhearst''. See also NoYay below.



** The fates of the performers in ''Madame Fate'' are all sorts of grisly. We have Art [[spoiler: stuffing his mouth with cigars, smoking himself to death]], Dante [[spoiler: being hung ''by his own tongue'']], and Francesco [[spoiler: being so hungry he died after ''eating a horse''.]]

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** The fates of the performers in ''Madame Fate'' are all sorts of grisly. We have Art [[spoiler: stuffing his mouth with cigars, smoking himself to death]], Dante [[spoiler: being hung ''by his own tongue'']], and Francesco [[spoiler: being so hungry he died after ''eating a horse''.]]]]
* NoYay: Charles and detective's interactions in ''Escape from Ravenhearst''. First, he asks her to [[spoiler: "give birth to him"]]. [[ItMakesSenseInContext She does]]. Then he pulls off [[spoiler: an AccidentalMarriage trick]] on her. Gah.
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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: Increasing with each game, at least in the PC versions.

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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: NightmareFuel: Increasing with each game, at least in the PC versions.

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* FridgeBrilliance: The reason why you see Charles [[spoiler: as the killer who offed Madame Fate? It's personal; he used to be an exhibit in her carnival before sent into an asylum!]]
* FridgeHorror: The {{backstory}} of ''Dire Grove''. The banshee came into existence because of a virgin sacrifice - one which involved the girl being sealed in an ice cave until she died. ItMakesSenseInContext, but if you give it any thought after you solve the mystery...no wonder she wanted revenge!



* FridgeBrilliance: The reason why you see Charles [[spoiler: as the killer who offed Madame Fate? It's personal; he used to be an exhibit in her carnival before sent into an asylum!]]



** The fates of the performers in ''Madame Fate'' are all sorts of grisly. We have Art [[spoiler: stuffing his mouth with cigars, smoking himself to death]], Dante [[spoiler: being hung ''by his own tongue'']], and Francesco [[spoiler: being so hungry he died after ''eating a horse''.]]

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** The fates of the performers in ''Madame Fate'' are all sorts of grisly. We have Art [[spoiler: stuffing his mouth with cigars, smoking himself to death]], Dante [[spoiler: being hung ''by his own tongue'']], and Francesco [[spoiler: being so hungry he died after ''eating a horse''.]]
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Grizzly is a kind of bear. :)


** The fates of the performers in ''Madame Fate'' are all sorts of grizzly. We have Art [[spoiler: stuffing his mouth with cigars, smoking himself to death]], Dante [[spoiler: being hung ''by his own tongue'']], and Francesco [[spoiler: being so hungry he died after ''eating a horse''.]]

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** The fates of the performers in ''Madame Fate'' are all sorts of grizzly.grisly. We have Art [[spoiler: stuffing his mouth with cigars, smoking himself to death]], Dante [[spoiler: being hung ''by his own tongue'']], and Francesco [[spoiler: being so hungry he died after ''eating a horse''.]]

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* AccidentalNightmareFuel: Increasing with each game, at least in the PC versions.
** People who have a phobia of skeletons would do well to keep away from these games, particularly ''13th Skull'' (as the name would imply).
** The fates of the performers in ''Madame Fate'' are all sorts of grizzly. We have Art [[spoiler: stuffing his mouth with cigars, smoking himself to death]], Dante [[spoiler: being hung ''by his own tongue'']], and Francesco [[spoiler: being so hungry he died after ''eating a horse''.]]



* CrowningMomentOfFunny: In ''13th Skull'', the bartender at the local dive asks you to unclog the toilet. When you succeed, you are heralded by the sounds of people cheering and applauding.



* FridgeBrilliance: The reason why you see Charles [[spoiler: as the killer who offed Madame Fate? It's personal; he used to be an exhibit in her carnival before sent into an asylum!]]

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* FridgeBrilliance: The reason why you see Charles [[spoiler: as the killer who offed Madame Fate? It's personal; he used to be an exhibit in her carnival before sent into an asylum!]]asylum!]]
* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: In ''13th Skull'', the bartender at the local dive asks you to unclog the toilet. When you succeed, you are heralded by the sounds of people cheering and applauding.
* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: Increasing with each game, at least in the PC versions.
** People who have a phobia of skeletons would do well to keep away from these games, particularly ''13th Skull'' (as the name would imply).
** The fates of the performers in ''Madame Fate'' are all sorts of grizzly. We have Art [[spoiler: stuffing his mouth with cigars, smoking himself to death]], Dante [[spoiler: being hung ''by his own tongue'']], and Francesco [[spoiler: being so hungry he died after ''eating a horse''.]]
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** His mother also, assuming [[spoiler: the re-creation of his childhood home]] is accurate.

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** His mother also, assuming [[spoiler: the re-creation of his childhood home]] home for ''Escape'']] is accurate.
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** His mother also, assuming [[spoiler: the re-creation of his childhood home]] is accurate.
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** The fates of the performers in ''Madame Fate'' are all sorts of grizzly. We have Art [[spoiler: stuffing his mouth with cigars, smoking himself to death]], Dante [[spoiler: being hung ''by his own tongue'']], and Francesco [[spoiler: being so hungry he died after ''eating a horse''.]]
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** FridgeBrilliance: ''Escape'' reveals that ghosts can alter the appearance of objects, so maybe the "sketches" were blank paper until the Master Detective started reading the diary and Emma made the drawings appear.

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** FridgeBrilliance: ''Escape'' reveals that ghosts can alter the appearance of objects, so maybe the "sketches" were blank paper until the Master Detective started reading the diary and Emma made the drawings appear.appear.
* FridgeBrilliance: The reason why you see Charles [[spoiler: as the killer who offed Madame Fate? It's personal; he used to be an exhibit in her carnival before sent into an asylum!]]
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** FridgeBrilliance: ''Escape'' reveals that ghosts can alter the appearance of objects, so maybe the "sketches" were blank paper until the Master Detective started reading the diary and Emma made the drawings appear?

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** FridgeBrilliance: ''Escape'' reveals that ghosts can alter the appearance of objects, so maybe the "sketches" were blank paper until the Master Detective started reading the diary and Emma made the drawings appear?appear.
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** FridgeBrilliance: ''Escape'' reveals that ghosts can alter the appearance of objects, so maybe the "sketches" were blank until the Master Detective started reading the diary?

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** FridgeBrilliance: ''Escape'' reveals that ghosts can alter the appearance of objects, so maybe the "sketches" were blank paper until the Master Detective started reading the diary?diary and Emma made the drawings appear?
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* FridgeLogic: Who exactly drew the sketches in Emma's diary in ''Ravenhearst''? Especially the one of [[spoiler:Charles about to kill her with a hatchet]]? It could be that the detective herself was the one who drew most of them, but there's no indication that she should have known that particular detail. Artistic license?

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* FridgeLogic: Who exactly drew the sketches in Emma's diary in ''Ravenhearst''? Especially the one of [[spoiler:Charles about to kill her with a hatchet]]? It could be that the detective herself was the one who drew most of them, but there's no indication that she should have known that particular detail. Artistic license?license?
** FridgeBrilliance: ''Escape'' reveals that ghosts can alter the appearance of objects, so maybe the "sketches" were blank until the Master Detective started reading the diary?
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** People who have a phobia of skeletons would do well to keep away from these games, particularly ''13th Skull'' (as the name would imply).


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* CrowningMomentOfFunny: In ''13th Skull'', the bartender at the local dive asks you to unclog the toilet. When you succeed, you are heralded by the sounds of people cheering and applauding.

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* NightmareFuel: Increasing with each game, at least in the PC versions.

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* NightmareFuel: AccidentalNightmareFuel: Increasing with each game, at least in the PC versions.



* ExcusePlot: The plots in all the games are basically excuses to look for random objects in cluttered scenes.

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* ExcusePlot: The plots in all the games are basically excuses to look for random objects in cluttered scenes.scenes.
* FridgeLogic: Who exactly drew the sketches in Emma's diary in ''Ravenhearst''? Especially the one of [[spoiler:Charles about to kill her with a hatchet]]? It could be that the detective herself was the one who drew most of them, but there's no indication that she should have known that particular detail. Artistic license?

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