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** Suffice it to say that a number of autistic and LGTBQ readers weren't pleased with the depicitons of autism and homosexuality. Specifically, that a character who ''was'' autistic in previous books "Outgrew it" (which is impossible), and a previously established homosexual male character was turned straight, and then killed.
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** Suffice it to say that a number of autistic and LGTBQ readers weren't pleased with the depicitons depictions of autism and homosexuality. Specifically, that a character who ''was'' autistic in previous books "Outgrew it" (which is impossible), and a previously established homosexual male character was turned straight, and then killed.
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** [[spoiler:Gillian]]'s death. It should be tragic, but there's something inherently funny about the fact that Kai Leng is killing [[spoiler:her]] with a toothbrush.
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** The numerous errors regarding the lore of the ''Mass Effect'' universe led to [[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBpMF3ONlI308D9IGG8KICBHfWKU0sXh0ntukv-_cmo/preview?pli=1&sle=true this Google doc]], [[http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/9070774/1 this forum thread]] on the [=BioWare=] Social Network (which reached 456 pages), a video of a ''Mass Effect'' fan [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXVmleTSB5k burning his copy]] that made the rounds on a few gaming websites, and [[http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:SpartHawg948/An_Open_Letter_Regarding_Mass_Effect:_Deception this open letter]] on the Mass Effect Wiki. Days after the book's release, [=BioWare=] announced that a revision would be made.
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** The numerous errors regarding the lore of the ''Mass Effect'' universe led to [[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBpMF3ONlI308D9IGG8KICBHfWKU0sXh0ntukv-_cmo/preview?pli=1&sle=true this Google doc]], [[http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/9070774/1 this forum thread]] on the [=BioWare=] Social Network (which reached 456 pages), a video of a ''Mass Effect'' fan [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXVmleTSB5k burning his copy]] copy that made the rounds on a few gaming websites, and [[http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:SpartHawg948/An_Open_Letter_Regarding_Mass_Effect:_Deception this open letter]] on the Mass Effect Wiki. Days after the book's release, [=BioWare=] announced that a revision would be made.
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** Author William C. Dietz isn't very likely to escape being "that guy who wrote ''Mass Effect: Deception''" any time soon.
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** The writer isn't very likely to escape being "that guy who wrote ''Mass Effect: Deception''" any time soon.
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* BaseBreaker: While the novel itself is near-universally despised, fan opinion is divided over the revision ([[DevelopmentHell which still hasn't materialized]]). Some fans are optimistic about the revision and hold Creator/BioWare to its word, others point out that the novel's problems run far, far deeper than the [[ContinuitySnarl continuity errors]] and that just fixing the lore errors isn't good enough to redeem ''Deception'' (specifically saying you'd need a total start from a blank canvas with a new writer), and then there are those who feel that the promise of the revised edition was just damage control and it will [[{{Vaporware}} never actually happen]].
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* BaseBreaker: BrokenBase: While the novel itself is near-universally despised, fan opinion is divided over the revision ([[DevelopmentHell which still hasn't materialized]]). Some fans are optimistic about the revision and hold Creator/BioWare to its word, others point out that the novel's problems run far, far deeper than the [[ContinuitySnarl continuity errors]] and that just fixing the lore errors isn't good enough to redeem ''Deception'' (specifically saying you'd need a total start from a blank canvas with a new writer), and then there are those who feel that the promise of the revised edition was just damage control and it will [[{{Vaporware}} never actually happen]].
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** Suffice it to say that a number of autistic and LGTBQ readers weren't pleased with the depicitons of autism and homosexuality.
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** Suffice it to say that a number of autistic and LGTBQ readers weren't pleased with the depicitons of autism and homosexuality. Specifically, that a character who ''was'' autistic in previous books "Outgrew it" (which is impossible), and a previously established homosexual male character was turned straight, and then killed.
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** Kai Leng eating Anderson's cereal. The inevitable "[[{{Pun}} cereal killer]]" jokes don't help. Neither did the text stating that he did it because he was "an adrenaline junkie and enjoyed being where he was". Leng eating Anderson's cereal was actually highlighted on the forums as a moment to be ''kept'' in the revised edition because it's so utterly ''hilarious''. And frankly, Leng is so petty (see: him sending Shepard insulting e-mails in ''3'') that he'd probably do that.
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** Kai Leng eating Anderson's cereal. The inevitable "[[{{Pun}} cereal killer]]" jokes don't help. Neither did the text stating that he did it because he was "an adrenaline junkie and enjoyed being where he was". Leng eating Anderson's cereal was actually highlighted on the forums as a moment to be ''kept'' in the revised edition because it's so utterly ''hilarious''. And frankly, Leng is so petty even in the actual games (see: him sending Shepard insulting e-mails in ''3'') that he'd probably do that.it's actually quite in character for him.
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* GenreKiller: This book spelled the end of novels based on the ''Mass Effect'' franchise. Time will tell if ''Andromeda'' will result in more novels getting written.
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** The numerous errors regarding the lore of the ''Mass Effect'' universe led to [[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBpMF3ONlI308D9IGG8KICBHfWKU0sXh0ntukv-_cmo/preview?pli=1&sle=true this Google doc]], [[http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/9070774/1 this forum thread]] on the [=BioWare=] Social Network (which reached 456 pages), and [[http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:SpartHawg948/An_Open_Letter_Regarding_Mass_Effect:_Deception this open letter]] on the Mass Effect Wiki. Days after the book's release, [=BioWare=] announced that a revision would be made.
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** The numerous errors regarding the lore of the ''Mass Effect'' universe led to [[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBpMF3ONlI308D9IGG8KICBHfWKU0sXh0ntukv-_cmo/preview?pli=1&sle=true this Google doc]], [[http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/9070774/1 this forum thread]] on the [=BioWare=] Social Network (which reached 456 pages), a video of a ''Mass Effect'' fan [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXVmleTSB5k burning his copy]] that made the rounds on a few gaming websites, and [[http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:SpartHawg948/An_Open_Letter_Regarding_Mass_Effect:_Deception this open letter]] on the Mass Effect Wiki. Days after the book's release, [=BioWare=] announced that a revision would be made.
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* InternetBackdraft: The numerous errors regarding the lore of the ''Mass Effect'' universe led to [[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBpMF3ONlI308D9IGG8KICBHfWKU0sXh0ntukv-_cmo/preview?pli=1&sle=true this Google doc]], [[http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/9070774/1 this forum thread]] on the [=BioWare=] Social Network (which reached 456 pages), and [[http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:SpartHawg948/An_Open_Letter_Regarding_Mass_Effect:_Deception this open letter]] on the Mass Effect Wiki. Days after the book's release, [=BioWare=] announced that a revision would be made.
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* InternetBackdraft: InternetBackdraft:
** The numerous errors regarding the lore of the ''Mass Effect'' universe led to [[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBpMF3ONlI308D9IGG8KICBHfWKU0sXh0ntukv-_cmo/preview?pli=1&sle=true this Google doc]], [[http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/9070774/1 this forum thread]] on the [=BioWare=] Social Network (which reached 456 pages), and [[http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:SpartHawg948/An_Open_Letter_Regarding_Mass_Effect:_Deception this open letter]] on the Mass Effect Wiki. Days after the book's release, [=BioWare=] announced that a revision would bemade.made.
** Suffice it to say that a number of autistic and LGTBQ readers weren't pleased with the depicitons of autism and homosexuality.
** The numerous errors regarding the lore of the ''Mass Effect'' universe led to [[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBpMF3ONlI308D9IGG8KICBHfWKU0sXh0ntukv-_cmo/preview?pli=1&sle=true this Google doc]], [[http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/9070774/1 this forum thread]] on the [=BioWare=] Social Network (which reached 456 pages), and [[http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:SpartHawg948/An_Open_Letter_Regarding_Mass_Effect:_Deception this open letter]] on the Mass Effect Wiki. Days after the book's release, [=BioWare=] announced that a revision would be
** Suffice it to say that a number of autistic and LGTBQ readers weren't pleased with the depicitons of autism and homosexuality.
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* UnfortunateImplications: This book has offended both gay people ''and'' autistic people. The former are offended by the book having a case of a gay character being {{retcon}}ned into being straight (something that needs to be delicately handled, if not outright avoided). It's offended the latter group by saying that you can grow out of being autistic, something for which there is no scientific basis. It also implies that autism is something of a childish phase. Those who have or work with those with autism found this both incredibly sad and unbelievably offensive.
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* FountainOfMemes: Really, just Kai Leng.
** Kai Leng eating Anderson's cereal. The inevitable "[[{{Pun}} cereal killer]]" jokes don't help. Neither did the text stating that he did it because he was "an adrenaline junkie and enjoyed being where he was". Leng eating Anderson's cereal was actually highlighted on the forums as a moment to be ''kept'' in the revised edition because it's so utterly ''hilarious''. And frankly, Leng is so petty (see: him sending Shepard insulting e-mails in ''3'') that he'd probably do that.
** Kai Leng "was about to pee in a vase that he had selected for that purpose". Yes, that happens. In those exact words.
** [[spoiler:Gillian]]'s death. It should be tragic, but there's something inherently funny about the fact that Kai Leng is killing [[spoiler:her]] with a toothbrush.
** Kai Leng eating Anderson's cereal. The inevitable "[[{{Pun}} cereal killer]]" jokes don't help. Neither did the text stating that he did it because he was "an adrenaline junkie and enjoyed being where he was". Leng eating Anderson's cereal was actually highlighted on the forums as a moment to be ''kept'' in the revised edition because it's so utterly ''hilarious''. And frankly, Leng is so petty (see: him sending Shepard insulting e-mails in ''3'') that he'd probably do that.
** Kai Leng "was about to pee in a vase that he had selected for that purpose". Yes, that happens. In those exact words.
** [[spoiler:Gillian]]'s death. It should be tragic, but there's something inherently funny about the fact that Kai Leng is killing [[spoiler:her]] with a toothbrush.
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* MemeticMutation: See {{Narm}}.
* {{Narm}}:
** Kai Leng eating Anderson's cereal. The inevitable "[[{{Pun}} cereal killer]]" jokes don't help. Neither did the text stating that he did it because he was "an adrenaline junkie and enjoyed being where he was".
** Kai Leng "was about to pee in a vase that he had selected for that purpose". Yes, that happens. In those exact words.
** [[spoiler:Gillian]]'s death. It should be tragic, but there's something inherently funny about the fact that Kai Leng is killing [[spoiler:her]] with a toothbrush.
** Really, just Kai Leng.
*** NarmCharm: Admit it, as silly as it was, no one will forget [[MemeticBadass Kai Leng: Cereal Killer]].
*** SoBadItsGood: Many of the more infamous Kai Leng moments are also this. Leng eating Anderson's cereal was actually highlighted on the forums as a moment to be ''kept'' in the revised edition because it's so utterly ''hilarious''. And frankly, Leng is so petty (see: him sending Shepard insulting e-mails in ''3'') that he'd probably do that.
* NeverLiveItDown: This book gave Kai Leng the infamous "cereal killer" nickname.
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** Kai Leng eating Anderson's cereal. The inevitable "[[{{Pun}} cereal killer]]" jokes don't help. Neither did the text stating that he did it because he was "an adrenaline junkie and enjoyed being where he was".
** Kai Leng "was about to pee in a vase that he had selected for that purpose". Yes, that happens. In those exact words.
** [[spoiler:Gillian]]'s death. It should be tragic, but there's something inherently funny about the fact that Kai Leng is killing [[spoiler:her]] with a toothbrush.
** Really, just Kai Leng.
*** NarmCharm: Admit it, as silly as it was, no one will forget [[MemeticBadass Kai Leng: Cereal Killer]].
*** SoBadItsGood: Many of the more infamous Kai Leng moments are also this. Leng eating Anderson's cereal was actually highlighted on the forums as a moment to be ''kept'' in the revised edition because it's so utterly ''hilarious''. And frankly, Leng is so petty (see: him sending Shepard insulting e-mails in ''3'') that he'd probably do that.
* NeverLiveItDown: This book gave Kai Leng the infamous "cereal killer" nickname.
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* MemeticMutation: See {{Narm}}.
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**Kai Leng eating Anderson's cereal. The inevitable "[[{{Pun}} cereal killer]]" jokes don't help. Neither did the text stating that he did it because he was "an adrenaline junkie and enjoyed being where he was".
** Kai Leng "was about to pee in a vase that he had selected for that purpose". Yes, that happens. In those exact words.
** [[spoiler:Gillian]]'s death. It should be tragic, but there's something inherently funny about the fact that Kai Leng is killing [[spoiler:her]] with a toothbrush.
** Really, just Kai Leng.
*** NarmCharm: Admit it, as silly as it was, no one will forget [[MemeticBadass Kai Leng: Cereal Killer]].
*** SoBadItsGood: Many of the more infamous Kai Leng moments are also this. Leng eating Anderson's cereal was actually highlighted on the forums as a moment to be ''kept'' in the revised edition because it's so utterly ''hilarious''. And frankly, Leng is so petty (see: him sending Shepard insulting e-mails in ''3'') that he'd probably do that.
* NeverLiveItDown:This book gave Kai Leng the infamous "cereal killer" nickname.
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** Kai Leng "was about to pee in a vase that he had selected for that purpose". Yes, that happens. In those exact words.
** [[spoiler:Gillian]]'s death. It should be tragic, but there's something inherently funny about the fact that Kai Leng is killing [[spoiler:her]] with a toothbrush.
** Really, just Kai Leng.
*** NarmCharm: Admit it, as silly as it was, no one will forget [[MemeticBadass Kai Leng: Cereal Killer]].
*** SoBadItsGood: Many of the more infamous Kai Leng moments are also this. Leng eating Anderson's cereal was actually highlighted on the forums as a moment to be ''kept'' in the revised edition because it's so utterly ''hilarious''. And frankly, Leng is so petty (see: him sending Shepard insulting e-mails in ''3'') that he'd probably do that.
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* TheyJustDidntCare: See InternetBackdraft.
** Even after their apology, [=BioWare=] still get accused of this for approving the novel in the state it was in. Especially since the writer claims two [=BioWare=] officials ''did'' look it over.
** Even after their apology, [=BioWare=] still get accused of this for approving the novel in the state it was in. Especially since the writer claims two [=BioWare=] officials ''did'' look it over.
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* TheyJustDidntCare: See InternetBackdraft.
**TheyJustDidntCare: Even after their apology, [=BioWare=] still get accused of this for approving the novel in the state it was in. Especially since the writer claims two [=BioWare=] officials ''did'' look it over.
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* CanonDefilement: There is a list of its many, ''many'' [[ContinuitySnarl continuity errors]] as linked below. Let's just say it'd be easier to make a list of what it got ''right''. Good thing later editions will fix these problems.
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* CanonDefilement: There is a list of its many, ''many'' [[ContinuitySnarl continuity errors]] as linked below. Let's just say it'd be easier to make a list of what it got ''right''. Good thing later editions will fix these problems.problems... hopefully.
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* UnfortunateImplications: This book has offended both gay people ''and'' autistic people. The former are offended by the book having a case of a gay character being {{retcon}}ned into being straight (something that needs to be delicately handled, if not outright avoided). It's offended the latter group by saying that you can grow out of being autistic, something for which there is no scientific basis. It also implies that autism is something of a childish phase.
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* UnfortunateImplications: This book has offended both gay people ''and'' autistic people. The former are offended by the book having a case of a gay character being {{retcon}}ned into being straight (something that needs to be delicately handled, if not outright avoided). It's offended the latter group by saying that you can grow out of being autistic, something for which there is no scientific basis. It also implies that autism is something of a childish phase. Those who have or work with those with autism found this both incredibly sad and unbelievably offensive.
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* BaseBreaker: While the novel itself is near-universally despised, fan opinion is divided over the revision ([[DevelopmentHell which still hasn't materialized]]). Some fans are optimistic about the revision and hold Creator/BioWare to its word, others point out that the novel's problems run far, far deeper than the [[ContinuitySnarl continuity errors]] and that just fixing the lore errors isn't good enough to redeem ''Deception'' (specifically saying you'd need a total start from a blank canvas with a new writer), and then there are those who feel that the promise of the revised edition was just damage control and it will [[VapourWare never actually happen]].
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* BaseBreaker: While the novel itself is near-universally despised, fan opinion is divided over the revision ([[DevelopmentHell which still hasn't materialized]]). Some fans are optimistic about the revision and hold Creator/BioWare to its word, others point out that the novel's problems run far, far deeper than the [[ContinuitySnarl continuity errors]] and that just fixing the lore errors isn't good enough to redeem ''Deception'' (specifically saying you'd need a total start from a blank canvas with a new writer), and then there are those who feel that the promise of the revised edition was just damage control and it will [[VapourWare [[{{Vaporware}} never actually happen]].
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* BaseBreaker: While the novel itself is near-universally despised, fan opinion is divided over the revision ([[DevelopmentHell which still hasn't materialized]]). Some fans are optimistic about the revision and hold BioWare to its word, others point out that the novel's problems run far, far deeper than the [[ContinuitySnarl continuity errors]] and that just fixing the lore errors isn't good enough to redeem ''Deception'' (specifically saying you'd need a total start from a blank canvas with a new writer), and then there are those who feel that the promise of the revised edition was just damage control and it will [[VapourWare never actually happen]].
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* BaseBreaker: While the novel itself is near-universally despised, fan opinion is divided over the revision ([[DevelopmentHell which still hasn't materialized]]). Some fans are optimistic about the revision and hold BioWare Creator/BioWare to its word, others point out that the novel's problems run far, far deeper than the [[ContinuitySnarl continuity errors]] and that just fixing the lore errors isn't good enough to redeem ''Deception'' (specifically saying you'd need a total start from a blank canvas with a new writer), and then there are those who feel that the promise of the revised edition was just damage control and it will [[VapourWare never actually happen]].
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* UnfortunateImplications: This book has offended both gay people ''and'' autistic people. The former are offended by the book having a case of a gay character being retconned into being straight (something that needs to be delicately handled, if not outright avoided). It's offended the latter group by saying that you can grow out of being autistic, something which there is no scientific proof about. It also implies that autism is something of a childish phase.
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* UnfortunateImplications: This book has offended both gay people ''and'' autistic people. The former are offended by the book having a case of a gay character being retconned {{retcon}}ned into being straight (something that needs to be delicately handled, if not outright avoided). It's offended the latter group by saying that you can grow out of being autistic, something for which there is no scientific proof about.basis. It also implies that autism is something of a childish phase.
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* BaseBreaker: While the novel itself is near-universally despised, fan opinion is divided over the revision (which still hasn't materialized). Some fans are optimistic about the revision and hold BioWare to its word, others point out that the novel's problems run far, far deeper than the [[ContinuitySnarl continuity errors]] and that just fixing the lore errors isn't good enough to redeem ''Deception'' (specifically saying you'd need a total start from a blank canvas with a new writer), and then there are those who feel that the promise of the revised edition was just damage control and it will never actually happen.
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* BaseBreaker: While the novel itself is near-universally despised, fan opinion is divided over the revision (which ([[DevelopmentHell which still hasn't materialized). materialized]]). Some fans are optimistic about the revision and hold BioWare to its word, others point out that the novel's problems run far, far deeper than the [[ContinuitySnarl continuity errors]] and that just fixing the lore errors isn't good enough to redeem ''Deception'' (specifically saying you'd need a total start from a blank canvas with a new writer), and then there are those who feel that the promise of the revised edition was just damage control and it will [[VapourWare never actually happen.happen]].
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* BaseBreaker: While the novel itself is near-universally despised, fan opinion is divided over the revision (which at the time of writing, a year and a half since the novel was released, still hasn't materialised). Some fans are optimistic about the revision and hold BioWare to its word, others point out that the novel's problems run far, far deeper than the [[ContinuitySnarl continuity errors]] and that just fixing the lore errors isn't good enough to redeem ''Deception'' (specifically saying you'd need a total start from a blank canvas with a new writer), and then there are those who feel that the promise of the revised edition was just damage control and it will never actually happen.
* CanonDefilement: A full list of its many, many, ''many'' [[ContinuitySnarl continuity errors]] is linked below, but let's just say it'd be easier to make a list of what it got ''right''! Good thing later editions will fix these problems.
* CanonDefilement: A full list of its many, many, ''many'' [[ContinuitySnarl continuity errors]] is linked below, but let's just say it'd be easier to make a list of what it got ''right''! Good thing later editions will fix these problems.
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* BaseBreaker: While the novel itself is near-universally despised, fan opinion is divided over the revision (which at the time of writing, a year and a half since the novel was released, still hasn't materialised).materialized). Some fans are optimistic about the revision and hold BioWare to its word, others point out that the novel's problems run far, far deeper than the [[ContinuitySnarl continuity errors]] and that just fixing the lore errors isn't good enough to redeem ''Deception'' (specifically saying you'd need a total start from a blank canvas with a new writer), and then there are those who feel that the promise of the revised edition was just damage control and it will never actually happen.
* CanonDefilement:A full There is a list of its many, many, ''many'' [[ContinuitySnarl continuity errors]] is as linked below, but let's below. Let's just say it'd be easier to make a list of what it got ''right''! ''right''. Good thing later editions will fix these problems.
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* InternetBackdraft: The numerous errors regarding the lore of the ''Mass Effect'' universe led to [[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBpMF3ONlI308D9IGG8KICBHfWKU0sXh0ntukv-_cmo/preview?pli=1&sle=true this Google doc]], [[http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/9070774/1 this forum thread]] on the [=BioWare=] Social Network (which reached 456 pages), and [[http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:SpartHawg948/An_Open_Letter_Regarding_Mass_Effect:_Deception this open letter]] on the ME Wiki. Days after the book's release, BioWare announced that a revision would be made.
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* InternetBackdraft: The numerous errors regarding the lore of the ''Mass Effect'' universe led to [[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBpMF3ONlI308D9IGG8KICBHfWKU0sXh0ntukv-_cmo/preview?pli=1&sle=true this Google doc]], [[http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/9070774/1 this forum thread]] on the [=BioWare=] Social Network (which reached 456 pages), and [[http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:SpartHawg948/An_Open_Letter_Regarding_Mass_Effect:_Deception this open letter]] on the ME Mass Effect Wiki. Days after the book's release, BioWare [=BioWare=] announced that a revision would be made.
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** Kai Leng eating Anderson's cereal. The inevitable "[[{{Pun}} cereal killer]]" jokes don't help. Neither did the text stating that he did it because he was 'an "an adrenaline junkie and enjoyed being where he was'.was".
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*** SoBadItsGood: Many of the more infamous Kai Leng moments are also this. Leng eating Anderson's cereal was actually highlighted on the forums as a moment to be ''kept'' in the revised edition because it's so utterly ''hilarious''. And frankly, Leng is so petty (see: him sending Shepard insulting e-mails in 3) that he'd probably do that.
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*** SoBadItsGood: Many of the more infamous Kai Leng moments are also this. Leng eating Anderson's cereal was actually highlighted on the forums as a moment to be ''kept'' in the revised edition because it's so utterly ''hilarious''. And frankly, Leng is so petty (see: him sending Shepard insulting e-mails in 3) ''3'') that he'd probably do that.
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** Even after their apology, BioWare still get accused of this for approving the novel in the state it was in. Especially since the writer claims two BioWare officials ''did'' look it over.
* WhatAnIdiot: Late in the novel, [[spoiler:Hendel threatens biotic harm on Aria in the middle of her private room in Afterlife. He's ''damned lucky'' all she did was taser him.]]
* WhatAnIdiot: Late in the novel, [[spoiler:Hendel threatens biotic harm on Aria in the middle of her private room in Afterlife. He's ''damned lucky'' all she did was taser him.]]
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** Even after their apology, BioWare [=BioWare=] still get accused of this for approving the novel in the state it was in. Especially since the writer claims two BioWare [=BioWare=] officials ''did'' look it over.
* WhatAnIdiot: Late in the novel, [[spoiler:Hendel threatens biotic harm on Aria in the middle of her private room in Afterlife. He's ''damned lucky'' all she did wastaser tase him.]]
* WhatAnIdiot: Late in the novel, [[spoiler:Hendel threatens biotic harm on Aria in the middle of her private room in Afterlife. He's ''damned lucky'' all she did was
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* {{Narm}}: Kai Leng eating Anderson's cereal. The inevitable "[[{{Pun}} cereal killer]]" jokes don't help. Neither did the text stating that he did it because he was 'an adrenaline junkie and enjoyed being where he was'.
** Kai Leng "urinating in a vase that he had selected for that purpose". Yes, that happens. In those exact words.
*** The ExactWords actually make it funnier. You'd think the professional assassin would use 'urinate', but he doesn't. The actual text is 'just as Leng was about to ''pee'' in the vase he had selected for that purpose'.
** Kai Leng "urinating in a vase that he had selected for that purpose". Yes, that happens. In those exact words.
*** The ExactWords actually make it funnier. You'd think the professional assassin would use 'urinate', but he doesn't. The actual text is 'just as Leng was about to ''pee'' in the vase he had selected for that purpose'.
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* {{Narm}}: {{Narm}}:
** Kai Leng eating Anderson's cereal. The inevitable "[[{{Pun}} cereal killer]]" jokes don't help. Neither did the text stating that he did it because he was 'an adrenaline junkie and enjoyed being where he was'.
** Kai Leng"urinating "was about to pee in a vase that he had selected for that purpose". Yes, that happens. In those exact words.
*** The ExactWords actually make it funnier. You'd think the professional assassin would use 'urinate', but he doesn't. The actual text is 'just as Leng was about to ''pee'' in the vase he had selected for that purpose'.words.
** Kai Leng eating Anderson's cereal. The inevitable "[[{{Pun}} cereal killer]]" jokes don't help. Neither did the text stating that he did it because he was 'an adrenaline junkie and enjoyed being where he was'.
** Kai Leng
*** The ExactWords actually make it funnier. You'd think the professional assassin would use 'urinate', but he doesn't. The actual text is 'just as Leng was about to ''pee'' in the vase he had selected for that purpose'.
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* IdiotBall: Aria uses next to none of the security she used in previous books/the second game. Luckily for her, Kai Leng has forgotten about the advanced tactics he used in previous novels as well.
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*** SoBadItsGood: Many of the more infamous Kai Leng moments are also this. Leng eating Anderson's cereal was actually highlighted on the forums as a moment to be ''kept'' in the revised edition because it's so utterly ''hilarious''.
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*** SoBadItsGood: Many of the more infamous Kai Leng moments are also this. Leng eating Anderson's cereal was actually highlighted on the forums as a moment to be ''kept'' in the revised edition because it's so utterly ''hilarious''. And frankly, Leng is so petty (see: him sending Shepard insulting e-mails in 3) that he'd probably do that.
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* {{Narm}}: Kai Leng eating Anderson's cereal. The inevitable "[[{{Pun}} cereal killer]]" jokes don't help.
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*** The ExactWords actually make it funnier. You'd think the professional assassin would use 'urinate', but he doesn't. The actual text is 'just as Leng was about to ''pee'' in the vase he had selected for that purpose'.
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** The writer isn't very likely to escape being "that guy who wrote ''Mass Effect: Deception''" any time soon.
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* BaseBreaker: While the novel itself is near-universally despised, fan opinion is divided over the revision (which at the time of writing, a year and a half since the novel was released, still hasn't materialised). Some fans are optimistic about the revision and hold BioWare to its word, others point out that the novel's problems run far, far deeper than the [[ContinuitySnarl continuity errors]] and that just fixing the lore errors isn't good enough to redeem ''Deception'' (specifically saying you'd need a total start from a blank canvas with a new writer), and then there are those who feel that the promise of the revised edition was just damage control and it will never actually happen.
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*** SoBadItsGood: Many of the more infamous Kai Leng moments are also this.
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** Even after their apology, BioWare still get accused of this for approving the novel in the state it was in. Especially since the writer claims two BioWare officials ''did'' look it over.
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* CanonDefilement: A full list of its many, many, ''many'' [[ContinuitySnarl continuity errors]] is linked below, but let's just say it'd be easier to make a list of what it got ''right''! Good thing later editions will fix these problems.]
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* CanonDefilement: A full list of its many, many, ''many'' [[ContinuitySnarl continuity errors]] is linked below, but let's just say it'd be easier to make a list of what it got ''right''! Good thing later editions will fix these problems.]
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As much as it pains me to pull this, citations are needed for Unfortunate Implications.
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** Hendel is straight. No reference is made at any point to him having ever been homosexual. [[spoiler:[[BuryYourGays He still gets offed]], [[DroppedABridgeOnHim and pointlessly so]].]]
** Gillian's autism is only vaguely referenced. It's treated as a "phase" of the kind typical to adolescents, which she then grows out of.
** Hendel is straight. No reference is made at any point to him having ever been homosexual. [[spoiler:[[BuryYourGays He still gets offed]], [[DroppedABridgeOnHim and pointlessly so]].]]
** Gillian's autism is only vaguely referenced. It's treated as a "phase" of the kind typical to adolescents, which she then grows out of.
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I agree, but Character Derailment is listed under Flame Bait. That means we\'re only allowed to post examples on it in the trope\'s page.
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* CanonDefilement: A full list of its many, many, ''many'' [[ContinuitySnarl continuity errors]] is linked below, but let's just say it'd be easier to make a list of what it got ''right''! Good thing later editions will fix these problems.
* CharacterDerailment: Oh my ****ing God. No one acts like they've been established. Leng, Anderson, Kahlee and Gillian all act so far out of character it is a wonder that Bioware hasn't just rendered the book noncanon.
* CharacterDerailment: Oh my ****ing God. No one acts like they've been established. Leng, Anderson, Kahlee and Gillian all act so far out of character it is a wonder that Bioware hasn't just rendered the book noncanon.
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* CanonDefilement: A full list of its many, many, ''many'' [[ContinuitySnarl continuity errors]] is linked below, but let's just say it'd be easier to make a list of what it got ''right''! Good thing later editions will fix these problems.
* CharacterDerailment: Oh my ****ing God. No one acts like they've been established. Leng, Anderson, Kahlee and Gillian all act so far out of character it is a wonder that Bioware hasn't just rendered the book noncanon.problems.]
* CharacterDerailment: Oh my ****ing God. No one acts like they've been established. Leng, Anderson, Kahlee and Gillian all act so far out of character it is a wonder that Bioware hasn't just rendered the book noncanon.
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* CharacterDerailment: Oh my ****ing God. No one acts like they've been established too. Leng, Anderson, Kahlee and Gillian all act so far out of character it's a wonder that Bioware hasn't just rendered the book noncanon.
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* CharacterDerailment: Oh my ****ing God. No one acts like they've been established too. established. Leng, Anderson, Kahlee and Gillian all act so far out of character it's it is a wonder that Bioware hasn't just rendered the book noncanon.
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*CharacterDerailment: Oh my ****ing God. No one acts like they've been established too. Leng, Anderson, Kahlee and Gillian all act so far out of character it's a wonder that Bioware hasn't just rendered the book noncanon.