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* VillainSue: Caius Ballad. He has some of the most powerful magic in the franchise, he's an immortal who repeatedly resurrects when killed, he can summon Bahamut, he can use a previously unknown summon method to merge with Bahamut, he's intended to be tragic and sympathetic, and is spoken of as a legendary hero who was only ever beaten once. [[spoiler:His plan ultimately succeeds and he only dies because he wants it to happen, and in the next game he redeems himself by saving Yeul and going with her incarnations to watch over the Unseen Realm for eternity]]. He's also a CreatorsPet, intended by developers to be the most powerful villain in the franchise at that point, and they consider him to be sympathetic and tragic instead of straight evil.
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* VillainSue: Caius Ballad. He has some of the most powerful magic in the franchise, he's an immortal who repeatedly resurrects when killed, he can summon Bahamut, Bahamut [[note]] [[JustifiedTrope a holdover from when he was a I'Cie]] [[/note]], he can use a previously unknown summon method to merge with Bahamut, he's intended to be tragic and sympathetic, and is spoken of as a legendary hero figure who was only ever beaten once. [[spoiler:His plan ultimately succeeds and he only dies because he wants it to happen, and in the next game he redeems himself by saving Yeul and going with her incarnations to watch over the Unseen Realm for eternity]]. He's may also be a CreatorsPet, intended by developers to be the most powerful villain in the franchise at that point, and they have us consider him to be sympathetic and tragic instead of straight evil.tragic.
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*** The Sazh DLC. At the start, you are given 10.000 Casino coins and are told to go play. Bet them all on one of the card games, win and you might end up with around 50.000 coins. The kicker? These original 10.000 coins are free and Serah and Noel get to keep everything you win as Sazh, enabling you to buy out the entire casino as soon as you set foot there.
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** Academia 400 AF, due to the high encounter rate and the fact that you can't run from any of them.
*** It's a great place to grind for CP and Gil if you need either.
** Academia 500 AF as well. An unexpected platforming segment with long waits for platforms to get in correct positions (and featuring a few extremely difficult enemy encounters), the area was often criticized in reviews for slowing the game down to a crawl [[spoiler:right before the big finale]]. Mapping the area to 100% is an even bigger chore.
*** It's a great place to grind for CP and Gil if you need either.
** Academia 500 AF as well. An unexpected platforming segment with long waits for platforms to get in correct positions (and featuring a few extremely difficult enemy encounters), the area was often criticized in reviews for slowing the game down to a crawl [[spoiler:right before the big finale]]. Mapping the area to 100% is an even bigger chore.
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** Academia 400 AF, due to the high encounter rate and the fact that you can't run from any of them. \n*** It's At least it's a great place to grind for CP and Gil if you need either.
** Academia 500AF as well.AF. An unexpected platforming segment with long waits for platforms to get in correct positions (and featuring a few extremely difficult enemy encounters), the area was often criticized in reviews for slowing the game down to a crawl [[spoiler:right before the big finale]]. Mapping the area to 100% is an even bigger chore.
** Academia 500
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* ScrappyMechanic:
** The Hands of Time in the Time Warp Anomaly sections. Do you suck at math? Yes? Do we have a minigame for ''you''. Some of them that have a ''time limit.'' Oh and some of them also are randomized as well. "Oh, but surely there's a guide"- Guide my ass! Every puzzle is totally freaking random!! Mitigated now that people have made [[http://clockpuzzle.pl/ multiple]] [[http://nyusuke.com/game/ff13/ff13-2puzzle.html puzzle-solvers]] for it. Of course, that doesn't improve the mechanic itself; just make it less annoying.
** The Hands of Time in the Time Warp Anomaly sections. Do you suck at math? Yes? Do we have a minigame for ''you''. Some of them that have a ''time limit.'' Oh and some of them also are randomized as well. "Oh, but surely there's a guide"- Guide my ass! Every puzzle is totally freaking random!! Mitigated now that people have made [[http://clockpuzzle.pl/ multiple]] [[http://nyusuke.com/game/ff13/ff13-2puzzle.html puzzle-solvers]] for it. Of course, that doesn't improve the mechanic itself; just make it less annoying.
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**ScrappyMechanic: The Hands of Time in the Time Warp Anomaly sections. Do you suck at math? Yes? Do we have a minigame for ''you''. Some of them that have a ''time limit.'' Oh and some of them also are randomized as well. "Oh, but surely there's a guide"- Guide my ass! Every puzzle is totally freaking random!! Mitigated now that people have made [[http://clockpuzzle.pl/ multiple]] [[http://nyusuke.com/game/ff13/ff13-2puzzle.html puzzle-solvers]] for it. Of course, that doesn't improve the mechanic itself; just make it less annoying.
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** The existence of this game in general, considering the mixed reactions that [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII the first game]] received, and the fact that the wait for Final Fantasy XV is becoming longer and longer as Square spends more and more time on sequels, spin-offs, and DLC.
** The relative lack of Sazh and Snow in the main campaign has frustrated ''many'' fans. Both characters eventually received DLC scenarios.
** And now that we are at it the DLC weren't that well received most notably the true ending chapter. Even WordOfGod admitted this resulting in the sequel having only cosmetic changes as DLC.
** Many fans aren't too happy about the Monster System or the whole "Serah and Noel are the only controllable characters." Even less people are happy about Lightning having less than 30 minutes of cutscenes and only being playable for 10 minutes when Square Enix put her on the front cover, 40% of the back cover, is present on a dozen pages of the manual, the soundtrack, the first trailer was all about her, promoted her as the main protagonist for the first six months after XIII-2's reveal, she's been present in all of the trailers, has an action figure, was hyped as having Caius as her "fated rival", etc. Yeah... great job there, Square.
** [[spoiler:The ending of the game is quite a DownerEnding, and also rather confusing, causing the fandom to split between hating the game for its ending or defending it for other merits and saying those who think it's bad "don't get it".]]
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEUOOgNzOv4 Crazy Chocobo, a metal version of the iconic theme.]]
** The game being overall made much easier than its [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII prequel]] and the exact same battle system. Fact that the game is so easy results in several of the roles that were helpful to the point of being absolutely necessary to win Boss Battles to be pointless since you'll likely defeat the enemy before you need to.
*** The Medic/Healer role itself has practically been rendered obsolete by Potions healing a lot of HP if you have the Grimoire Hat accessory equipped on your leader.
** The existence of this game in general, considering the mixed reactions that [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII the first game]] received, and the fact that the wait for Final Fantasy XV is becoming longer and longer as Square spends more and more time on sequels, spin-offs, and DLC.
** The relative lack of Sazh and Snow in the main campaign has frustrated ''many'' fans. Both characters eventually received DLC scenarios.
** And now that we are at it the DLC weren't that well received most notably the true ending chapter. Even WordOfGod admitted this resulting in the sequel having only cosmetic changes as DLC.
** Many fans aren't too happy about the Monster System or the whole "Serah and Noel are the only controllable characters." Even less people are happy about Lightning having less than 30 minutes of cutscenes and only being playable for 10 minutes when Square Enix put her on the front cover, 40% of the back cover, is present on a dozen pages of the manual, the soundtrack, the first trailer was all about her, promoted her as the main protagonist for the first six months after XIII-2's reveal, she's been present in all of the trailers, has an action figure, was hyped as having Caius as her "fated rival", etc. Yeah... great job there, Square.
** [[spoiler:The ending of the game is quite a DownerEnding, and also rather confusing, causing the fandom to split between hating the game for its ending or defending it for other merits and saying those who think it's bad "don't get it".]]
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEUOOgNzOv4 Crazy Chocobo, a metal version of the iconic theme.]]
** The game being overall made much easier than its [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII prequel]] and the exact same battle system. Fact that the game is so easy results in several of the roles that were helpful to the point of being absolutely necessary to win Boss Battles to be pointless since you'll likely defeat the enemy before you need to.
*** The Medic/Healer role itself has practically been rendered obsolete by Potions healing a lot of HP if you have the Grimoire Hat accessory equipped on your leader.
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** The existence of this game in general, considering the mixed reactions that [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII the first game]] received, and the fact that the wait for Final Fantasy XV is becoming longer and longer as Square spends more and more time on sequels, spin-offs, and DLC.
** The relative lack of Sazh and Snow in the main campaign has frustrated ''many'' fans. Both characters eventually received DLC scenarios.
** And now that we are at it the DLC weren't that well received most notably the true ending chapter. Even WordOfGod admitted this resulting in the sequel having only cosmetic changes as DLC.
** Many fans aren't too happy about the Monster System or the whole "Serah and Noel are the only controllable characters." Even less people are happy about Lightning having less than 30 minutes of cutscenes and only being playable for 10 minutes when Square Enix put her on the front cover, 40% of the back cover, is present on a dozen pages of the manual, the soundtrack, the first trailer was all about her, promoted her as the main protagonist for the first six months after XIII-2's reveal, she's been present in all of the trailers, has an action figure, was hyped as having Caius as her "fated rival", etc. Yeah... great job there, Square.
**BrokenBase: [[spoiler:The ending of the game is quite a DownerEnding, and also rather confusing, causing the fandom to split between hating the game for its ending or defending it for other merits and saying those who think it's bad "don't get it".]]
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEUOOgNzOv4 Crazy Chocobo, a metal version of the iconic theme.]]
** The game being overall made much easier than its [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII prequel]] and the exact same battle system. Fact that the game is so easy results in several of the roles that were helpful to the point of being absolutely necessary to win Boss Battles to be pointless since you'll likely defeat the enemy before you need to.
*** The Medic/Healer role itself has practically been rendered obsolete by Potions healing a lot of HP if you have the Grimoire Hat accessory equipped on your leader.]]
** The existence of this game in general, considering the mixed reactions that [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII the first game]] received, and the fact that the wait for Final Fantasy XV is becoming longer and longer as Square spends more and more time on sequels, spin-offs, and DLC.
** The relative lack of Sazh and Snow in the main campaign has frustrated ''many'' fans. Both characters eventually received DLC scenarios.
** And now that we are at it the DLC weren't that well received most notably the true ending chapter. Even WordOfGod admitted this resulting in the sequel having only cosmetic changes as DLC.
** Many fans aren't too happy about the Monster System or the whole "Serah and Noel are the only controllable characters." Even less people are happy about Lightning having less than 30 minutes of cutscenes and only being playable for 10 minutes when Square Enix put her on the front cover, 40% of the back cover, is present on a dozen pages of the manual, the soundtrack, the first trailer was all about her, promoted her as the main protagonist for the first six months after XIII-2's reveal, she's been present in all of the trailers, has an action figure, was hyped as having Caius as her "fated rival", etc. Yeah... great job there, Square.
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** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEUOOgNzOv4 Crazy Chocobo, a metal version of the iconic theme.]]
** The game being overall made much easier than its [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII prequel]] and the exact same battle system. Fact that the game is so easy results in several of the roles that were helpful to the point of being absolutely necessary to win Boss Battles to be pointless since you'll likely defeat the enemy before you need to.
*** The Medic/Healer role itself has practically been rendered obsolete by Potions healing a lot of HP if you have the Grimoire Hat accessory equipped on your leader.
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* VillainSue: Caius Ballad. He has some of the most powerful magic in the franchise, he's an immortal who repeatedly resurrects when killed, he can summon Bahamut, he can use a previously unknown summon method to merge with Bahamut, he's intended to be tragic and sympathetic, and is spoken of as a legendary hero who was only ever beaten once. [[spoiler:His plan ultimately succeeds and he only dies because he wants it to happen, and in the next game he redeems himself by saving Yeul and going with her incarnations to watch over the Unseen Realm for eternity.]]
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He\'s only immortal in the sense that he never dies of old age. He is capable of being killed, which is like half his plan. And though he does die, it doesn\'t actually do anything because Bhunivelze shows up and makes a new universe simple as you please. So really all he\'s got going for him is A: He succeeded in one tiny portion of his plan, which was then immediately negated when Bhuni woke up and B: he\'s stronger than Noel and Serah. Ringadingding.
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*** The Sazh DLC. At the start, you are given 10.000 Casino coins and are told to go play. Bet them all on one of the card games, win and you might end up with around 50.000 coins. The kicker? These original 10.000 coins are free and Serah and Noel get to keep everything you win as Sazh, enabling you to buy out the entire casino as soon as you set foot there.
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* ViolationOfCommonSense: [[spoiler: In Chapter 4, a shadow clone of Lightning asks Serah to come live with her in the (obviously fake) dream-world they're in.]] Saying no will advance the story. Saying yes will give you an alternate ending, a whole bunch of experience and place you right back before the question.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Hope, which is odd, considering that he was TheScrappy in the previous game. He went from a wangsty SquishyWizard that only took a few levels in badass toward the end to [[TookALevelInBadass the leader of the Academy and the de facto ruler of mankind]]. It also helps that he's now [[ShesAllGrownUp all grown up]].
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** Hope, which is odd, considering that he was TheScrappy in the previous game. He went from a wangsty SquishyWizard that only took a few levels in badass toward the end to [[TookALevelInBadass the leader of the Academy and the de facto ruler of mankind]]. It also helps that he's now [[ShesAllGrownUp all grownup]].up]].
** The Arbiter of Time makes only one sinister appearance in the base game, and the Coliseum DLC doesn't expand much on him despite being ''its host'' and a BonusBoss. This hasn't stopped fans from hailing him as an incredibly cool character who would wreck Caius if not for story purposes; they're similarly disappointed by his absence in [[VideoGame/LightningReturnsFinalFantasyXIII the following game]].
** Hope, which is odd, considering that he was TheScrappy in the previous game. He went from a wangsty SquishyWizard that only took a few levels in badass toward the end to [[TookALevelInBadass the leader of the Academy and the de facto ruler of mankind]]. It also helps that he's now [[ShesAllGrownUp all grown
** The Arbiter of Time makes only one sinister appearance in the base game, and the Coliseum DLC doesn't expand much on him despite being ''its host'' and a BonusBoss. This hasn't stopped fans from hailing him as an incredibly cool character who would wreck Caius if not for story purposes; they're similarly disappointed by his absence in [[VideoGame/LightningReturnsFinalFantasyXIII the following game]].
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* OneSceneWonder: Played for ''funny''. The Miniflans in Sunleth Waterscape 400AF are attempting to destroy the crystal pillar, but they need others to help. Eventually, you have to fight them, [[MemeticMutation while Square-Enix plays inappropriate music]]. They are defeated and scolded by Serah in mere minutes.
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** Played for ''funny''. The Miniflans in Sunleth Waterscape 400AF are attempting to destroy the crystal pillar, but they need others to help. Eventually, you have to fight them, [[MemeticMutation while Square-Enix plays inappropriate music]]. They are defeated and scolded by Serah in mere minutes.
** Played for ''funny''. The Miniflans in Sunleth Waterscape 400AF are attempting to destroy the crystal pillar, but they need others to help. Eventually, you have to fight them, [[MemeticMutation while Square-Enix plays inappropriate music]]. They are defeated and scolded by Serah in mere minutes.
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* JerkassWoobie: [[spoiler: Alyssa, who is motivated by a legitimate fear of being erased from existence.]]
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** Eight words: ''So you think you can ride this chocobo?''
* ThatOneSidequest: The goddamn Lucky Coin fragment. To get it you have to win 7,777 coins at the slot machines. And no one seems to be able to agree on whether that's a total number across all plays or all in one sitting (luckily losses aren't counted against that number), but either way expect to lose A LOT of coins, and thus gil in the process.
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** The game being overall made much easier than its [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII prequel]] and the exact same battle system. Fact that the game is so easy results in several of the roles that were helpful to the point of being absolutely necessary to win Boss Battles to be pointless since you'll likely defeat the enemy before you need to.
*** The Medic/Healer role itself has practically been rendered obsolete by Potions healing a lot of HP if you have the Grimoire Hat accessory equipped on your leader.
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* EarmWorm: Par for the course.
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* EarmWorm: EarWorm: Par for the course.
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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: [[AwesomeMusic/FinalFantasy Of course]].
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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: [[AwesomeMusic/FinalFantasy Of course]].DieForOurShip: Alyssa initially suffered this just because she was shown being close to Hope in the previews. [[spoiler:Then the fans actually played the game, and discovered she was TheMole and tried to kill Serah and Noel. It didn't help.]]
* DisappointingLastLevel: [[spoiler:Academia 500 AF]] is a long platformer section with rotating platforms, switch puzzles, and enemies that are a jump in difficulty from the previous areas. It's often criticized for slowing the game to a crawl right before the final boss.
* EarmWorm: Par for the course.
* DisappointingLastLevel: [[spoiler:Academia 500 AF]] is a long platformer section with rotating platforms, switch puzzles, and enemies that are a jump in difficulty from the previous areas. It's often criticized for slowing the game to a crawl right before the final boss.
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* DieForOurShip: Alyssa initially suffered this just because she was shown being close to Hope in the previews. [[spoiler:Then the fans actually played the game, and discovered she was TheMole and tried to kill Serah and Noel. It didn't help.]]
* DisappointingLastLevel: [[spoiler:Academia 500 AF]] is a long platformer section with rotating platforms, switch puzzles, and enemies that are a jump in difficulty from the previous areas. It's often criticized for slowing the game to a crawl right before the final boss.
* DisappointingLastLevel: [[spoiler:Academia 500 AF]] is a long platformer section with rotating platforms, switch puzzles, and enemies that are a jump in difficulty from the previous areas. It's often criticized for slowing the game to a crawl right before the final boss.
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* {{HSQ}}: [[http://www.ign.com/videos/2011/10/13/final-fantasy-xiii-2-change-the-future-trailer This trailer]].
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* UncannyValley: [[http://www.siliconera.com/2012/04/04/final-fantasy-xiii-2s-most-unusual-collaboration-dresses-lightning-in-prada/ The Prada advertisements]] are getting in on it, despite the game being nowhere near it. Sazh's outfit, however, is getting universal praise. Lightning is generally well liked. It's Noel in particular that everybody doesn't like.
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** [[http://www.siliconera.com/2012/04/04/final-fantasy-xiii-2s-most-unusual-collaboration-dresses-lightning-in-prada/ The Prada advertisements]] are getting in on it, despite the game being nowhere near it. Sazh's outfit, however, is getting universal praise. Lightning is generally well liked. It's Noel in particular that everybody doesn'tlike.like.
** There is a cutscene near the end of the game with Noel, Serah, Hope and Mog on an airship. It has a more detailed render than the other cutscenes, and while every individual part of their faces is more detailed, the general effect is a little bit off.
** [[http://www.siliconera.com/2012/04/04/final-fantasy-xiii-2s-most-unusual-collaboration-dresses-lightning-in-prada/ The Prada advertisements]] are getting in on it, despite the game being nowhere near it. Sazh's outfit, however, is getting universal praise. Lightning is generally well liked. It's Noel in particular that everybody doesn't
** There is a cutscene near the end of the game with Noel, Serah, Hope and Mog on an airship. It has a more detailed render than the other cutscenes, and while every individual part of their faces is more detailed, the general effect is a little bit off.
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** It was pretty large in ''XIII'', but now that Hope has aged-up, oh, ''ten years'', expect Hoprai shippers to be royally pissed if Lightning and he don't get together now that the can avoid [[{{Shotacon}} otherwise]] [[ValuesDissonance squicky]] [[UnfortunateImplication implications]]. [[HilariousInHindsight Hilariously, by the time they actually get together in [[VideoGame/LightningReturnsFinalFantasyXIII the next game]], Hope is 14 again.]]
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** It was pretty large in ''XIII'', but now that Hope has aged-up, oh, ''ten years'', expect Hoprai shippers to be royally pissed if Lightning and he don't get together now that the can avoid [[{{Shotacon}} otherwise]] [[ValuesDissonance squicky]] [[UnfortunateImplication implications]]. [[HilariousInHindsight Hilariously, Hilariously,]] by the time they actually get together in [[VideoGame/LightningReturnsFinalFantasyXIII the next game]], Hope is 14 again.]]
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* VillainSue: Caius Ballad. He has some of the most powerful magic in the franchise, he's an immortal who cannot die, he can summon Bahamut, he can use a previously unknown summon method to merge with Bahamut, he's intended to be tragic and sympathetic, and is spoken of as a legendary hero who was only ever beaten once. [[spoiler:His plan ultimately succeeds and he only dies because he wants it to happen, and in the next game he redeems himself by saving Yeul and going with her incarnations to watch over the Unseen Realm for eternity.]]
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* Yeul, or rather the many reincarnations of her. No matter which Yeul it is, she's born with the Eyes of Etro which lets her see the future and everytime she uses her powers (Which is often against her will), it slowly chips away her lifespan and she dies young.
* Serah, due to having the Eyes of Etro as well. [[spoiler: And the journey she takes ends with her death.]]
* Noel as well. He's from a time after the end of the human race and is the last human and his only goal is to save humanity from extinction, even if it erases him from time.
* Serah, due to having the Eyes of Etro as well. [[spoiler: And the journey she takes ends with her death.]]
* Noel as well. He's from a time after the end of the human race and is the last human and his only goal is to save humanity from extinction, even if it erases him from time.
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* TheWoobie:
* Yeul, or rather the many reincarnations of her. No matter which Yeul it is, she's born with the Eyes of Etro which lets her see the future and everytime she uses her powers (Which is often against her will), it slowly chips away her lifespan and she dies young.
* Serah, due to having the Eyes of Etro as well. [[spoiler: And the journey she takes ends with her death.]]
* Noel as well. He's from a time after the end of the human race and is the last human and his only goal is to save humanity from extinction, even if it erases him from time.
* TheWoobie:
* Yeul, or rather the many reincarnations of her. No matter which Yeul it is, she's born with the Eyes of Etro which lets her see the future and everytime she uses her powers (Which is often against her will), it slowly chips away her lifespan and she dies young.
* Serah, due to having the Eyes of Etro as well. [[spoiler: And the journey she takes ends with her death.]]
* Noel as well. He's from a time after the end of the human race and is the last human and his only goal is to save humanity from extinction, even if it erases him from time.
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* BaseBreaker:
** Noel. He's either a surprisingly awesome, well-written, and generally pretty cool dude or a suck-ass ReplacementScrappy for Snow.
** Mog is either [[EnsembleDarkhorse the best character in the game]] or [[TheScrappy the worst character in the game]].
** The main antagonist Caius is either a well-written, sympathetic, yet still totally {{Badass}} AntiVillain, or an absurdly overpowered VillainSue who is [[LargeHam difficult to take seriously]]. There is also a remarkably deep divide over whether he's cooler and more powerful than [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Sephiroth]].
* BestKnownForTheFanservice: Lightning's *ahem* naked scene.
* BreatherLevel:
** Academia 4XX AF. This comes after the long Augusta Tower segments, and before [[WhamEpisode Episode 5.]] There are no enemies, and your visit may be very quick, depending on if you collected the Graviton Cores.
** New Bodhum 700 AF. You arrive right before the final dungeon, but the enemies are easy and, minus cutscenes, your visit will be over in minutes.
** As an optional area, Sunleth Waterscape 400 AF. All seven Fragments are easy to collect, and the boss battle is a joke (of the easy and funny kind).
** Oerba 300 AF and 400 AF, where a small number of base fights are interspersed with paradox events, where you not only get fragments, but gain a side story about Mog in the process.
* BrokenBase:
** The existence of this game in general, considering the mixed reactions that [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII the first game]] received, and the fact that the wait for Final Fantasy XV is becoming longer and longer as Square spends more and more time on sequels, spin-offs, and DLC.
** The relative lack of Sazh and Snow in the main campaign has frustrated ''many'' fans. Both characters eventually received DLC scenarios.
** Many fans aren't too happy about the Monster System or the whole "Serah and Noel are the only controllable characters." Even less people are happy about Lightning having less than 30 minutes of cutscenes and only being playable for 10 minutes when Square Enix put her on the front cover, 40% of the back cover, is present on a dozen pages of the manual, the soundtrack, the first trailer was all about her, promoted her as the main protagonist for the first six months after XIII-2's reveal, she's been present in all of the trailers, has an action figure, was hyped as having Caius as her "fated rival", etc. Yeah... great job there, Square.
** [[spoiler:The ending of the game is quite a DownerEnding, and also rather confusing, causing the fandom to split between hating the game for its ending or defending it for other merits and saying those who think it's bad "don't get it".]]
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEUOOgNzOv4 Crazy Chocobo, a metal version of the iconic theme.]]
* ComplacentGamingSyndrome: With the greater freedom of customization comes predictable patterns.
** Weapons-wise, most players choose between the Chain Bonus Lv. 5 weapons (Serah: Gandiva, Noel: Grasitha) or the ATB Speed +50% weapons (Serah: Indrajit, Noel: Romulus and Remus).
** There are some common monsters people choose in their party to tackle the post-game content:
*** Commandos: Chichu, Omega (DLC), Valkyrie Lightning (DLC)
*** Ravagers: Cloudburst, Blue Chocobo, Lightning (DLC)
*** Sentinels: Bunkerbeast, Goblin Chieftain, Pulse Gladiator, Snow (DLC)
*** Saboteurs: Black Chocobo, Celicerata, Jihl Nabaat (DLC)
*** Synergists: Yakshini, Sazh (DLC), Purple Chocobo
*** Medics: Flanitor, Green Chocobo, [=PuPu=] (DLC)
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: [[AwesomeMusic/FinalFantasy Of course]].
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGCOKEmkY40 Yeul's Theme]].
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuPV_TGy-U8 Last Hunter.]]
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx_1XzRkhcg&feature=related Not to mention the theme that plays when Lightning fights Chaos-Bahamut]]. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuPV_TGy-U8 Lets not forget the new battle theme now.]]
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKwI749rU0g&feature=player_embedded#! The Archylte Steppe theme was leaked. And it is fantastic.]]
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NztBKlgQVHw&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL Caius' Theme]]. Man, if he wasn't an EnsembleDarkhorse before...
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TCM2ay8cz8 Chaotic Labyrinth]] is perfect for the final dungeon, plus feels like it's from ''Franchise/SilentHill'.
* DieForOurShip: Alyssa initially suffered this just because she was shown being close to Hope in the previews. [[spoiler:Then the fans actually played the game, and discovered she was TheMole and tried to kill Serah and Noel. It didn't help.]]
* DisappointingLastLevel: [[spoiler:Academia 500 AF]] is a long platformer section with rotating platforms, switch puzzles, and enemies that are a jump in difficulty from the previous areas. It's often criticized for slowing the game to a crawl right before the final boss.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: Hope, which is odd, considering that he was TheScrappy in the previous game. He went from a wangsty SquishyWizard that only took a few levels in badass toward the end to [[TookALevelInBadass the leader of the Academy and the de facto ruler of mankind.]]
* {{HSQ}}: [[http://www.ign.com/videos/2011/10/13/final-fantasy-xiii-2-change-the-future-trailer This trailer]].
* FanDumb[=/=]HateDumb: [[RuleofCautiousEditingJudgement And the less said about this one, the better...]]
* FanPreferredCouple:
** It was pretty large in ''XIII'', but now that Hope has aged-up, oh, ''ten years'', expect Hoprai shippers to be royally pissed if Lightning and he don't get together now that the can avoid [[{{Shotacon}} otherwise]] [[ValuesDissonance squicky]] [[UnfortunateImplication implications]]. [[HilariousInHindsight Hilariously, by the time they actually get together in [[VideoGame/LightningReturnsFinalFantasyXIII the next game]], Hope is 14 again.]]
** Noel and Serah shippers seem to be popping up everywhere as well, mostly due to the fact Snow left Serah in New Bodhum to look for Lightning and they work pretty well together during their travels.
* GameBreaker:
** Dragoons are a pretty good early example: capturing them is pretty easy, they don't take much materials to level up and their Strenght is generally double or triple that of Noel or Serah in that point of the game.
** Getting Lightning's DLC episode as early as possible (and spoiling most of the ending in the progress if you don't skip the cutscenes) allows you get her as a monster ally at any point in the game if you 5-star both of her battles, which is pretty easy to do as the levels in her episode are independent from the main story. Pretty much all the DLC contents count as this, the Coliseum DLC alone allows you to get the best Ravager (Lightning), best Sentinel (Snow) and the best Saboteur (Jihl) monsters in the game.
* GoddamnedBats:
** While you can avoid enemies, some are just relentless. Some are as fast or faster than you. Others have a seemingly endless 'sighted you' zone. Why is this annoying? Well, from how the game's mechanics work, ''it means you have no other choice but to fight, whether you want to or not''.
** The Cie'th of Academia 400 AF, mainly because they won't go away and have a wide aggro range, leading to instances where you have no clue what you just ran into.
* HellIsThatNoise: The sirens in Academia 500 AF.
* HilariousInHindsight:
** One of Captain Cryptic's questions was who was carrying a steamy love affair, to which one of the choices was [[MythologyGag Terra Branford]]. Captain Cryptic was voiced by DaveWittenberg in the English version, who also voiced [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVI Kefka Palazzo]], who did have ties to another Terra Branford in the VideoGame/DissidiaFinalFantasy series.
** Charice Pempengco sang the theme song of the game, which has a character named Alyssa. A year after the game was released, Charice came out as a lesbian, and her girlfriend is named Alyssa.
* InternetBackdraft:
** While some DLC are well-received, a part of the fanbase doesn't like how Square is implementing it by making some of it available and advertised on day one. Square has stated that this is the first title they're working on to have planned DLC in one of their titles from the start of development, which doesn't help their cause.
** The scenario, especially the ending, led to a lot of bashing from the Japanese fanbase.
* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: It seems to bring back the same battle system with the same Auto-Battle button right there. Enjoy your BrokenBase.
* IronWoobie: Lightning could be seen as this. She was erased from history save for the memories of a select few people, pulled into a chaotic, dead-looking world with no people and doomed to do eternal battle with her rival to protect Etro. [[spoiler:And she ends up being TakenForGranite during the normal ending.]]
* MemeticMutation:
** "Toriyama'd" now means that if you play a game where he had a hand in the creative development, expect the story to troll you and make no sense.
** A lot of people also had a great laugh when one of Serah's Live Trigger options is to say, [[CrazyCatLady "The cat is my only family!"]]
** TIME AND SPACE TIME AND SPACE TIME AND SPACE TIME AND SPACE: that [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr1j94R5WEI Historia Crux]] part of the song is becoming quite popular.
** [[MoodWhiplash While]] SquareEnix [[SoundtrackDissonance plays inappropriate music.]]
** [[LargeHam COME FORTH PUPU!!!]]
* MostAnnoyingSound: The slot machine makes a loud 'BA-DUNK' sound every time you get two Microchus in a row. Three Microchus is the ultimate jackpot, but you'll virtually never win it outside of Super Victory Mode. The game ''knows this'', and loves to tease you with Microchus.
* MostWonderfulSound:
** The narrator of the Historia Crux's voice is so soothing. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMm7Oeb1_64&feature=related Helps that its backed]] by awesome music.
** Once you get Victory Mode on the slot machine, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfu0XBf8kmk Blinded By Light]] starts playing. Keep going and you'll get Super Victory Mode, and Eidolons plays. If you get a jackpot, the classic victory fanfare plays.
** The 'click-click-click-click-click' that plays when you get a right answer on the Academia 4XX AF pop quizzes.
* {{Narm}}:
** When you encounter Aloeidia in the Yaschas Massif 010 AF, the screen freezes on Noel doing a flying jump kick before you enter battle. It's incredibly corny to watch.
** Serah's overly dramatic pose when catching and aiming her bow moments before the first Atlas fight, especially since she doesn't even fire a single arrow beforehand.
** If you choose to fight [=PuPu=] again in the Coliseum, you get this gem:
--->'''Arbiter of Time''': Come forth, [=PuPu=]!
** Eight words: ''So you think you can ride this chocobo?''
** The entire scene before fighting Gogmagog's final form in A Dying World is utterly cringe-inducing, especially when Serah and Noel exclaim, in unison, "We ''will'' change the future!"
* NarmCharm: The [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgdgW9QvQa0 Coliseum DLC intro]], especially when you've purchased all the characters. It is [[LargeHam incredibly, intentionally cheesy]] in a rather funny and awesome way.
* OffscreenMomentOfAwesome: Much like it's [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII prequel]], this game contains backstory for events and characters in wikipedia-esque entries in the datalog and fragments. For instance, some fragments shed light on Caius' past. It would have been awesome to see him duking it out with his predecessor or performing the [[DangerousForbiddenTechnique Incarnate Summoning]] of Bahamut.
* OneSceneWonder: Played for ''funny''. The Miniflans in Sunleth Waterscape 400AF are attempting to destroy the crystal pillar, but they need others to help. Eventually, you have to fight them, [[MemeticMutation while Square-Enix plays inappropriate music]]. They are defeated and scolded by Serah in mere minutes.
* ScapegoatCreator: Not so much with the first game, but thanks to this game, a large part of the fandom has nothing but loathing for Motomu Toriyama. The mentioned MemeticMutation "Toriyama'd" is pretty much shorthand now for TrollingCreator.
* ScrappyLevel:
** Academia 400 AF, due to the high encounter rate and the fact that you can't run from any of them.
*** It's a great place to grind for CP and Gil if you need either.
** Academia 500 AF as well. An unexpected platforming segment with long waits for platforms to get in correct positions (and featuring a few extremely difficult enemy encounters), the area was often criticized in reviews for slowing the game down to a crawl [[spoiler:right before the big finale]]. Mapping the area to 100% is an even bigger chore.
** Academia 4XX AF just because of the Captain Cryptic quiz. He'll ''randomly spawn in any area'' and the only clues you'll have are from the townspeople which isn't really helping that much.
** A Dying World 700 AF, mainly because it's a bitch to get from one point to another, and there are ''tons'' of hidden treasure chests.
** If you dislike the time distortion mini games, then you will HATE Oerba 300 and 400 AF. Running around the same small map playing the three distortion mini games *over and over*. Some of them have 6 stages, and there are 8 or 9 per time period.
* ScrappyMechanic:
** The Hands of Time in the Time Warp Anomaly sections. Do you suck at math? Yes? Do we have a minigame for ''you''. Some of them that have a ''time limit.'' Oh and some of them also are randomized as well. "Oh, but surely there's a guide"- Guide my ass! Every puzzle is totally freaking random!! Mitigated now that people have made [[http://clockpuzzle.pl/ multiple]] [[http://nyusuke.com/game/ff13/ff13-2puzzle.html puzzle-solvers]] for it. Of course, that doesn't improve the mechanic itself; just make it less annoying.
* ShipToShipCombat: Snow/Serah shippers and Serah/Noel shippers go pretty hard at one another.
* TearJerker: The true ending, if you ignore the [[SoundtrackDissonance Soundtrack Dissonance]], is this is a nutshell. [[spoiler:Serah dies, Etro is dead and the entire world will die with her, Lightning is crystallized (''by her own choice'', as stated on a Fragment), and Caius has won.]]
* ThatOneBoss:
** The first battle against Caius, for those who haven't touched the sidequests yet. He can heal himself and buff himself up.
** [[spoiler:The Paradox Scope battles with Caius at A Dying World 700AF and the Void Beyond, with Serah (and {{Mons}}) and Noel going it alone respectively. If you're properly leveled with above average monsters in your corner in Serah's case he shouldn't be too much trouble, but he's not to be underestimated because he can still do alot of damage in short time. Weaker characters may be forced to use Wound, which reduces max hp (useful because once you kill him he instantly revives).]]
* UncannyValley: [[http://www.siliconera.com/2012/04/04/final-fantasy-xiii-2s-most-unusual-collaboration-dresses-lightning-in-prada/ The Prada advertisements]] are getting in on it, despite the game being nowhere near it. Sazh's outfit, however, is getting universal praise. Lightning is generally well liked. It's Noel in particular that everybody doesn't like.
* WinBackTheCrowd: Looks to be Square's attempt after the more mixed reaction the previous game received. [[BrokenBase Instead it seemed to break the base even more.]]
* ViewerGenderConfusion:
** When the trailer was first released, along with the logo picture, there was more than one person who commented on Lightning's "sexy female rival."
** Many seem to be confused about Mog's gender (which is canonically male).
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** Noel. He's either a surprisingly awesome, well-written, and generally pretty cool dude or a suck-ass ReplacementScrappy for Snow.
** Mog is either [[EnsembleDarkhorse the best character in the game]] or [[TheScrappy the worst character in the game]].
** The main antagonist Caius is either a well-written, sympathetic, yet still totally {{Badass}} AntiVillain, or an absurdly overpowered VillainSue who is [[LargeHam difficult to take seriously]]. There is also a remarkably deep divide over whether he's cooler and more powerful than [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Sephiroth]].
* BestKnownForTheFanservice: Lightning's *ahem* naked scene.
* BreatherLevel:
** Academia 4XX AF. This comes after the long Augusta Tower segments, and before [[WhamEpisode Episode 5.]] There are no enemies, and your visit may be very quick, depending on if you collected the Graviton Cores.
** New Bodhum 700 AF. You arrive right before the final dungeon, but the enemies are easy and, minus cutscenes, your visit will be over in minutes.
** As an optional area, Sunleth Waterscape 400 AF. All seven Fragments are easy to collect, and the boss battle is a joke (of the easy and funny kind).
** Oerba 300 AF and 400 AF, where a small number of base fights are interspersed with paradox events, where you not only get fragments, but gain a side story about Mog in the process.
* BrokenBase:
** The existence of this game in general, considering the mixed reactions that [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII the first game]] received, and the fact that the wait for Final Fantasy XV is becoming longer and longer as Square spends more and more time on sequels, spin-offs, and DLC.
** The relative lack of Sazh and Snow in the main campaign has frustrated ''many'' fans. Both characters eventually received DLC scenarios.
** Many fans aren't too happy about the Monster System or the whole "Serah and Noel are the only controllable characters." Even less people are happy about Lightning having less than 30 minutes of cutscenes and only being playable for 10 minutes when Square Enix put her on the front cover, 40% of the back cover, is present on a dozen pages of the manual, the soundtrack, the first trailer was all about her, promoted her as the main protagonist for the first six months after XIII-2's reveal, she's been present in all of the trailers, has an action figure, was hyped as having Caius as her "fated rival", etc. Yeah... great job there, Square.
** [[spoiler:The ending of the game is quite a DownerEnding, and also rather confusing, causing the fandom to split between hating the game for its ending or defending it for other merits and saying those who think it's bad "don't get it".]]
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEUOOgNzOv4 Crazy Chocobo, a metal version of the iconic theme.]]
* ComplacentGamingSyndrome: With the greater freedom of customization comes predictable patterns.
** Weapons-wise, most players choose between the Chain Bonus Lv. 5 weapons (Serah: Gandiva, Noel: Grasitha) or the ATB Speed +50% weapons (Serah: Indrajit, Noel: Romulus and Remus).
** There are some common monsters people choose in their party to tackle the post-game content:
*** Commandos: Chichu, Omega (DLC), Valkyrie Lightning (DLC)
*** Ravagers: Cloudburst, Blue Chocobo, Lightning (DLC)
*** Sentinels: Bunkerbeast, Goblin Chieftain, Pulse Gladiator, Snow (DLC)
*** Saboteurs: Black Chocobo, Celicerata, Jihl Nabaat (DLC)
*** Synergists: Yakshini, Sazh (DLC), Purple Chocobo
*** Medics: Flanitor, Green Chocobo, [=PuPu=] (DLC)
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: [[AwesomeMusic/FinalFantasy Of course]].
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGCOKEmkY40 Yeul's Theme]].
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuPV_TGy-U8 Last Hunter.]]
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx_1XzRkhcg&feature=related Not to mention the theme that plays when Lightning fights Chaos-Bahamut]]. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuPV_TGy-U8 Lets not forget the new battle theme now.]]
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKwI749rU0g&feature=player_embedded#! The Archylte Steppe theme was leaked. And it is fantastic.]]
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NztBKlgQVHw&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL Caius' Theme]]. Man, if he wasn't an EnsembleDarkhorse before...
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TCM2ay8cz8 Chaotic Labyrinth]] is perfect for the final dungeon, plus feels like it's from ''Franchise/SilentHill'.
* DieForOurShip: Alyssa initially suffered this just because she was shown being close to Hope in the previews. [[spoiler:Then the fans actually played the game, and discovered she was TheMole and tried to kill Serah and Noel. It didn't help.]]
* DisappointingLastLevel: [[spoiler:Academia 500 AF]] is a long platformer section with rotating platforms, switch puzzles, and enemies that are a jump in difficulty from the previous areas. It's often criticized for slowing the game to a crawl right before the final boss.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: Hope, which is odd, considering that he was TheScrappy in the previous game. He went from a wangsty SquishyWizard that only took a few levels in badass toward the end to [[TookALevelInBadass the leader of the Academy and the de facto ruler of mankind.]]
* {{HSQ}}: [[http://www.ign.com/videos/2011/10/13/final-fantasy-xiii-2-change-the-future-trailer This trailer]].
* FanDumb[=/=]HateDumb: [[RuleofCautiousEditingJudgement And the less said about this one, the better...]]
* FanPreferredCouple:
** It was pretty large in ''XIII'', but now that Hope has aged-up, oh, ''ten years'', expect Hoprai shippers to be royally pissed if Lightning and he don't get together now that the can avoid [[{{Shotacon}} otherwise]] [[ValuesDissonance squicky]] [[UnfortunateImplication implications]]. [[HilariousInHindsight Hilariously, by the time they actually get together in [[VideoGame/LightningReturnsFinalFantasyXIII the next game]], Hope is 14 again.]]
** Noel and Serah shippers seem to be popping up everywhere as well, mostly due to the fact Snow left Serah in New Bodhum to look for Lightning and they work pretty well together during their travels.
* GameBreaker:
** Dragoons are a pretty good early example: capturing them is pretty easy, they don't take much materials to level up and their Strenght is generally double or triple that of Noel or Serah in that point of the game.
** Getting Lightning's DLC episode as early as possible (and spoiling most of the ending in the progress if you don't skip the cutscenes) allows you get her as a monster ally at any point in the game if you 5-star both of her battles, which is pretty easy to do as the levels in her episode are independent from the main story. Pretty much all the DLC contents count as this, the Coliseum DLC alone allows you to get the best Ravager (Lightning), best Sentinel (Snow) and the best Saboteur (Jihl) monsters in the game.
* GoddamnedBats:
** While you can avoid enemies, some are just relentless. Some are as fast or faster than you. Others have a seemingly endless 'sighted you' zone. Why is this annoying? Well, from how the game's mechanics work, ''it means you have no other choice but to fight, whether you want to or not''.
** The Cie'th of Academia 400 AF, mainly because they won't go away and have a wide aggro range, leading to instances where you have no clue what you just ran into.
* HellIsThatNoise: The sirens in Academia 500 AF.
* HilariousInHindsight:
** One of Captain Cryptic's questions was who was carrying a steamy love affair, to which one of the choices was [[MythologyGag Terra Branford]]. Captain Cryptic was voiced by DaveWittenberg in the English version, who also voiced [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVI Kefka Palazzo]], who did have ties to another Terra Branford in the VideoGame/DissidiaFinalFantasy series.
** Charice Pempengco sang the theme song of the game, which has a character named Alyssa. A year after the game was released, Charice came out as a lesbian, and her girlfriend is named Alyssa.
* InternetBackdraft:
** While some DLC are well-received, a part of the fanbase doesn't like how Square is implementing it by making some of it available and advertised on day one. Square has stated that this is the first title they're working on to have planned DLC in one of their titles from the start of development, which doesn't help their cause.
** The scenario, especially the ending, led to a lot of bashing from the Japanese fanbase.
* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: It seems to bring back the same battle system with the same Auto-Battle button right there. Enjoy your BrokenBase.
* IronWoobie: Lightning could be seen as this. She was erased from history save for the memories of a select few people, pulled into a chaotic, dead-looking world with no people and doomed to do eternal battle with her rival to protect Etro. [[spoiler:And she ends up being TakenForGranite during the normal ending.]]
* MemeticMutation:
** "Toriyama'd" now means that if you play a game where he had a hand in the creative development, expect the story to troll you and make no sense.
** A lot of people also had a great laugh when one of Serah's Live Trigger options is to say, [[CrazyCatLady "The cat is my only family!"]]
** TIME AND SPACE TIME AND SPACE TIME AND SPACE TIME AND SPACE: that [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr1j94R5WEI Historia Crux]] part of the song is becoming quite popular.
** [[MoodWhiplash While]] SquareEnix [[SoundtrackDissonance plays inappropriate music.]]
** [[LargeHam COME FORTH PUPU!!!]]
* MostAnnoyingSound: The slot machine makes a loud 'BA-DUNK' sound every time you get two Microchus in a row. Three Microchus is the ultimate jackpot, but you'll virtually never win it outside of Super Victory Mode. The game ''knows this'', and loves to tease you with Microchus.
* MostWonderfulSound:
** The narrator of the Historia Crux's voice is so soothing. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMm7Oeb1_64&feature=related Helps that its backed]] by awesome music.
** Once you get Victory Mode on the slot machine, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfu0XBf8kmk Blinded By Light]] starts playing. Keep going and you'll get Super Victory Mode, and Eidolons plays. If you get a jackpot, the classic victory fanfare plays.
** The 'click-click-click-click-click' that plays when you get a right answer on the Academia 4XX AF pop quizzes.
* {{Narm}}:
** When you encounter Aloeidia in the Yaschas Massif 010 AF, the screen freezes on Noel doing a flying jump kick before you enter battle. It's incredibly corny to watch.
** Serah's overly dramatic pose when catching and aiming her bow moments before the first Atlas fight, especially since she doesn't even fire a single arrow beforehand.
** If you choose to fight [=PuPu=] again in the Coliseum, you get this gem:
--->'''Arbiter of Time''': Come forth, [=PuPu=]!
** Eight words: ''So you think you can ride this chocobo?''
** The entire scene before fighting Gogmagog's final form in A Dying World is utterly cringe-inducing, especially when Serah and Noel exclaim, in unison, "We ''will'' change the future!"
* NarmCharm: The [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgdgW9QvQa0 Coliseum DLC intro]], especially when you've purchased all the characters. It is [[LargeHam incredibly, intentionally cheesy]] in a rather funny and awesome way.
* OffscreenMomentOfAwesome: Much like it's [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII prequel]], this game contains backstory for events and characters in wikipedia-esque entries in the datalog and fragments. For instance, some fragments shed light on Caius' past. It would have been awesome to see him duking it out with his predecessor or performing the [[DangerousForbiddenTechnique Incarnate Summoning]] of Bahamut.
* OneSceneWonder: Played for ''funny''. The Miniflans in Sunleth Waterscape 400AF are attempting to destroy the crystal pillar, but they need others to help. Eventually, you have to fight them, [[MemeticMutation while Square-Enix plays inappropriate music]]. They are defeated and scolded by Serah in mere minutes.
* ScapegoatCreator: Not so much with the first game, but thanks to this game, a large part of the fandom has nothing but loathing for Motomu Toriyama. The mentioned MemeticMutation "Toriyama'd" is pretty much shorthand now for TrollingCreator.
* ScrappyLevel:
** Academia 400 AF, due to the high encounter rate and the fact that you can't run from any of them.
*** It's a great place to grind for CP and Gil if you need either.
** Academia 500 AF as well. An unexpected platforming segment with long waits for platforms to get in correct positions (and featuring a few extremely difficult enemy encounters), the area was often criticized in reviews for slowing the game down to a crawl [[spoiler:right before the big finale]]. Mapping the area to 100% is an even bigger chore.
** Academia 4XX AF just because of the Captain Cryptic quiz. He'll ''randomly spawn in any area'' and the only clues you'll have are from the townspeople which isn't really helping that much.
** A Dying World 700 AF, mainly because it's a bitch to get from one point to another, and there are ''tons'' of hidden treasure chests.
** If you dislike the time distortion mini games, then you will HATE Oerba 300 and 400 AF. Running around the same small map playing the three distortion mini games *over and over*. Some of them have 6 stages, and there are 8 or 9 per time period.
* ScrappyMechanic:
** The Hands of Time in the Time Warp Anomaly sections. Do you suck at math? Yes? Do we have a minigame for ''you''. Some of them that have a ''time limit.'' Oh and some of them also are randomized as well. "Oh, but surely there's a guide"- Guide my ass! Every puzzle is totally freaking random!! Mitigated now that people have made [[http://clockpuzzle.pl/ multiple]] [[http://nyusuke.com/game/ff13/ff13-2puzzle.html puzzle-solvers]] for it. Of course, that doesn't improve the mechanic itself; just make it less annoying.
* ShipToShipCombat: Snow/Serah shippers and Serah/Noel shippers go pretty hard at one another.
* TearJerker: The true ending, if you ignore the [[SoundtrackDissonance Soundtrack Dissonance]], is this is a nutshell. [[spoiler:Serah dies, Etro is dead and the entire world will die with her, Lightning is crystallized (''by her own choice'', as stated on a Fragment), and Caius has won.]]
* ThatOneBoss:
** The first battle against Caius, for those who haven't touched the sidequests yet. He can heal himself and buff himself up.
** [[spoiler:The Paradox Scope battles with Caius at A Dying World 700AF and the Void Beyond, with Serah (and {{Mons}}) and Noel going it alone respectively. If you're properly leveled with above average monsters in your corner in Serah's case he shouldn't be too much trouble, but he's not to be underestimated because he can still do alot of damage in short time. Weaker characters may be forced to use Wound, which reduces max hp (useful because once you kill him he instantly revives).]]
* UncannyValley: [[http://www.siliconera.com/2012/04/04/final-fantasy-xiii-2s-most-unusual-collaboration-dresses-lightning-in-prada/ The Prada advertisements]] are getting in on it, despite the game being nowhere near it. Sazh's outfit, however, is getting universal praise. Lightning is generally well liked. It's Noel in particular that everybody doesn't like.
* WinBackTheCrowd: Looks to be Square's attempt after the more mixed reaction the previous game received. [[BrokenBase Instead it seemed to break the base even more.]]
* ViewerGenderConfusion:
** When the trailer was first released, along with the logo picture, there was more than one person who commented on Lightning's "sexy female rival."
** Many seem to be confused about Mog's gender (which is canonically male).
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