History YMMV / Empire

14th May '17 6:51:29 PM MyLittleXero
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Frank Gathers, who spent the entire first as both TheDreaded and TheGhost finally shows up in season 2 proving to be a good rival to Lucious, is [[spoiler: killed off in the season premiere.]]



* WTHCastingAgency: Casting ''Creator/ChrisRock'' to play Frank Gathers, a drug lord who had only been spoken of in dreaded tones throughout the first season. When we finally meet him in the second season premiere, seeing Chris Rock in those chains totally killed the immersion. It was perhaps the first time Rock has ever done a 100% dramatic role (and a rather dark one at that), but because he's so distinctive as a comedian, it was impossible to take him seriously. [[spoiler: Thankfully, he doesn't live past the first episode.]]

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* WTHCastingAgency: Casting ''Creator/ChrisRock'' to play Frank Gathers, a drug lord who had only been spoken of in dreaded tones throughout the first season. When we finally meet him in the second season premiere, seeing Chris Rock in those chains totally killed the immersion. It was perhaps the first time Rock has ever done a 100% dramatic role (and a rather dark one at that), but because he's so distinctive as a comedian, it was impossible to take him seriously. [[spoiler: Thankfully, Though, he doesn't live past the first episode.]]
14th Apr '17 4:52:57 PM MsCC93
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* MostWonderfulSound: Many fans of the show love Jamal's singing.
22nd Sep '16 5:45:08 AM PF
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* IKnewIt: Anyone who was correct about [[spoiler: Anika pushing Rhonda down the stairs]].
** The minute Andre said it was [[spoiler: Harper Scott, who revealed Lucious's mother being alive]], Lucious was on that "Handled" mindset.
13th Sep '16 7:05:27 AM Larkmarn
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* SpiritualAdaptation: Those who have seen ''Film/HustleAndFlow'' can easily consider this to be a television sequel to the film. Helped by Terrance Howard playing a guy trying to make it in the hip-hop world, coming from a DarkAndTroubledPast. The comparisons basically write themselves.
23rd Aug '16 11:44:58 AM GreeneMachine92
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** Cookie in "A High Hope for a Low Heaven": Hakeem is late for a meeting and she can't reach by him by phone...and is then sent video of him bound by duckedtape. The season up until this point Cookie has witnessed Tiana get robbed, a video threat sent to her company, and [[spoiler: a head in a box]]. '''You would expect''' her to take this as a serious threat and immediately react to it. '''Instead''' she brushes it off as Hakeem messing with her.
10th Aug '16 5:58:54 PM themisterfree
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* PlayingAgainstType: We've got [[Series/PowerRangersRPM one ex-superhero]] who's now a gay documentarian, and [[WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse another current superhero]] as a new artist on the label. Which (ex)superhero is gonna be next?
25th Jun '16 8:52:08 PM Angeldeb82
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Considering all the stuff Golgoth does during the entire run, it's very likely the reader will feel unsympathetic towards him considering the final fate of [[spoiler: his daughter]]
* VillainSue: A whole team of them to be precise.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Considering all the stuff Golgoth does during the entire run, it's very likely the reader will feel unsympathetic towards him considering the final fate of [[spoiler: his daughter]]
* VillainSue: A whole team of them to be precise.
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* {{Expy}}: Of the [[{{Dallas}} Ewing family]]:

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* {{Expy}}: Of the [[{{Dallas}} [[Series/{{Dallas}} Ewing family]]:



** Some fans have noted similarities between the Lyons and [[GameOfThrones The Lannisters]]:

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** Some fans have noted similarities between the Lyons and [[GameOfThrones [[Series/GameOfThrones The Lannisters]]:



*** At one point, Jesse asks Walter if he wants to control the drug or money business, to which Walter replies "neither. I'm in the empire business." [[{{Pun}} Name of this show (and company) aside,]] Lucious also wants to build an empire, albeit ''through'' music rather than ''in spite'' of it.
*** Both fathers care much less about other people than they do their own families and friends, but are definitely not above manipulating and controlling them for their own purposes. However, Walter has generally never touched his own family, save for [[spoiler:getting into a struggle with Skyler over a knife she pulled on him, leading to Walt Jr. calling the police and triggering a HeelRealization within Walter.]] Lucious, on the other hand, does things like dumping Jamal in a trash can as a child for dressing as a woman and punching Hakeem in the face for publicly rapping about having sex with Anika and leaving Empire, but always finds a way to justify his actions.

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*** At one point, Jesse asks Walter if he wants to control the drug or money business, to which Walter replies "neither. I'm in the empire business." [[{{Pun}} Name of this show (and company) aside,]] aside]], Lucious also wants to build an empire, albeit ''through'' music rather than ''in spite'' of it.
*** Both fathers care much less about other people than they do their own families and friends, but are definitely not above manipulating and controlling them for their own purposes. However, Walter has generally never touched his own family, save for [[spoiler:getting into a struggle with Skyler over a knife she pulled on him, leading to Walt Jr. calling the police and triggering a HeelRealization within Walter.]] Walter]]. Lucious, on the other hand, does things like dumping Jamal in a trash can as a child for dressing as a woman and punching Hakeem in the face for publicly rapping about having sex with Anika and leaving Empire, but always finds a way to justify his actions.



*** Then there's how both men got into crime in the first place: [[UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom Hank told Walter how much money drug dealers can sell meth for, then later took him on a ride-along for a drug bust,]] whereas [[TheCorrupter Frank Gathers found Lucious on the street as a kid and had him sell drugs.]]

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*** Then there's how both men got into crime in the first place: [[UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom Hank told Walter how much money drug dealers can sell meth for, then later took him on a ride-along for a drug bust,]] bust]], whereas [[TheCorrupter Frank Gathers found Lucious on the street as a kid and had him sell drugs.]]drugs]].



* {{HSQ}}: Several, given the [[DramaBomb nature of the show]]. The reveal that [[spoiler:Lucious' mother is still alive]] and [[spoiler:Jamal getting shot by Freda]] stand out the most.
* IKnewIt: Anyone who was correct about [[spoiler: Anika pushing Rhonda down the stairs.]]
* The minute Andre said it was [[spoiler: Harper Scott, who revealed Lucious's mother being alive]], Lucious was on that "Handled" mindset.

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* {{HSQ}}: HolyShitQuotient: Several, given the [[DramaBomb nature of the show]]. The reveal that [[spoiler:Lucious' mother is still alive]] and [[spoiler:Jamal getting shot by Freda]] stand out the most.
* IKnewIt: Anyone who was correct about [[spoiler: Anika pushing Rhonda down the stairs.]]
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The minute Andre said it was [[spoiler: Harper Scott, who revealed Lucious's mother being alive]], Lucious was on that "Handled" mindset.



* SheReallyCanAct: Taraji P. Henson's performance of Cookie has gotten both the critics and the audience talking this trope.

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* SheReallyCanAct: [[SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct She Really Can Act]]: Taraji P. Henson's performance of Cookie has gotten both the critics and the audience talking this trope.



** Porhsa jumped a subway turnstile and when ticketed, she gave her name as [[spoiler: '''Cookie Lyon'''.]] [[GeorgeJetsonJobSecurity Oh, she got fired and then rehired.]]

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** Porhsa jumped a subway turnstile and when ticketed, she gave her name as [[spoiler: '''Cookie Lyon'''.]] Lyon''']]. [[GeorgeJetsonJobSecurity Oh, she got fired and then rehired.]]
5th Jun '16 10:46:35 AM JC96
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* IKnewIt: Anyone who was correct about [[spoiler: Anika pushing Rhonda down the stairs.]]
* The minute Andre said it was [[spoiler: Harper Scott, who revealed Lucious's mother being alive]], Lucious was on that "Handled" mindset.
3rd Jun '16 7:32:40 PM KINGBARBIE52
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*** Both fathers care much less about other people than they do their own families and friends, but are definitely not above manipulating and controlling them for their own purposes. However, Walter has generally never touched his own family, save for [[spoiler:getting into a struggle with Skyler over a knife she pulled on him, leading to Walt Jr. calling the police and triggering a HeelRealization within Walter.]] Lucious, on the other hand, does things like dumping Jamal in a trash can as a child for dressing as a woman and punching Hakeem in the face for publicly rapping about having sex with Anika and leaving Empire, but always finds a way to justify his actions.
*** Both have set up a pretense of doing the things they do to ensure a legacy for their children, yet are clearly in it for themselves, though while Walter doesn't admit this until [[spoiler:the very last episode, during his last conversation with Skyler]], Lucious is much more upfront about it--what with routinely sabotaging everyone else's authority and even threatening to kill Hakeem for taking over Empire.
*** Both men's families also have very different reactions to their fathers' true natures. Walter's family is utterly repulsed the more they learn, while Lucious' is at least willing to keep doing business with him and even occasionally trade kind words. Though this is likely since the Lyons are accustomed to Lucious being a {{Jerkass}}--yet are themselves still capable of being further angered as more of Lucious' skeletons are revealed.
*** Then there's how both men got into crime in the first place: [[UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom Hank told Walter how much money drug dealers can sell meth for, then later took him on a ride-along for a drug bust,]] whereas [[TheCorrupter Frank Gathers found Lucious on the street as a kid and had him sell drugs.]]
3rd Jun '16 6:58:12 PM KINGBARBIE52
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** Lucious Lyon and [[Series/BreakingBad Walter White]], [[CounterpartComparison with significant differences as well as similarities]].
*** Both are generally known by their AlliterativeName, although Lucious made his up.
*** Both adopted a fiercer name to fit a more hardcore persona (Lucious Lyon vs. Heisenberg) and distance themselves from their older and meeker name/persona (Dwight Walker vs. Walter White).
*** Additionally, one family was more familiar with "Lucious" than "Dwight", while the other family knew "Walter" and learned about "Heisenberg".
*** Both patriarchs were suffering from a fatal disease (ALS for Lucious, cancer for Walter) and thus wanted to ensure a lasting legacy for their children. Both also got news that they no longer had to worry about their illnesses; however, in Lucious' case, he learns that he was misdiagnosed with ALS, but in Walter's case [[spoiler:the cancer eventually returns and contributes to his death]].
*** At one point, Jesse asks Walter if he wants to control the drug or money business, to which Walter replies "neither. I'm in the empire business." [[{{Pun}} Name of this show (and company) aside,]] Lucious also wants to build an empire, albeit ''through'' music rather than ''in spite'' of it.
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