History YMMV / Empire

22nd Sep '16 5:45:08 AM PF
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* IKnewIt: Anyone who was correct about [[spoiler: Anika pushing Rhonda down the stairs]].
** The minute Andre said it was [[spoiler: Harper Scott, who revealed Lucious's mother being alive]], Lucious was on that "Handled" mindset.
13th Sep '16 7:05:27 AM Larkmarn
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* SpiritualAdaptation: Those who have seen ''Film/HustleAndFlow'' can easily consider this to be a television sequel to the film. Helped by Terrance Howard playing a guy trying to make it in the hip-hop world, coming from a DarkAndTroubledPast. The comparisons basically write themselves.
23rd Aug '16 11:44:58 AM GreeneMachine92
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** Cookie in "A High Hope for a Low Heaven": Hakeem is late for a meeting and she can't reach by him by phone...and is then sent video of him bound by duckedtape. The season up until this point Cookie has witnessed Tiana get robbed, a video threat sent to her company, and [[spoiler: a head in a box]]. '''You would expect''' her to take this as a serious threat and immediately react to it. '''Instead''' she brushes it off as Hakeem messing with her.
10th Aug '16 5:58:54 PM themisterfree
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* PlayingAgainstType: We've got [[Series/PowerRangersRPM one ex-superhero]] who's now a gay documentarian, and [[WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse another current superhero]] as a new artist on the label. Which (ex)superhero is gonna be next?
25th Jun '16 8:52:08 PM Angeldeb82
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Considering all the stuff Golgoth does during the entire run, it's very likely the reader will feel unsympathetic towards him considering the final fate of [[spoiler: his daughter]]
* VillainSue: A whole team of them to be precise.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Considering all the stuff Golgoth does during the entire run, it's very likely the reader will feel unsympathetic towards him considering the final fate of [[spoiler: his daughter]]
* VillainSue: A whole team of them to be precise.
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* {{Expy}}: Of the [[{{Dallas}} Ewing family]]:

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* {{Expy}}: Of the [[{{Dallas}} [[Series/{{Dallas}} Ewing family]]:



** Some fans have noted similarities between the Lyons and [[GameOfThrones The Lannisters]]:

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** Some fans have noted similarities between the Lyons and [[GameOfThrones [[Series/GameOfThrones The Lannisters]]:



*** At one point, Jesse asks Walter if he wants to control the drug or money business, to which Walter replies "neither. I'm in the empire business." [[{{Pun}} Name of this show (and company) aside,]] Lucious also wants to build an empire, albeit ''through'' music rather than ''in spite'' of it.
*** Both fathers care much less about other people than they do their own families and friends, but are definitely not above manipulating and controlling them for their own purposes. However, Walter has generally never touched his own family, save for [[spoiler:getting into a struggle with Skyler over a knife she pulled on him, leading to Walt Jr. calling the police and triggering a HeelRealization within Walter.]] Lucious, on the other hand, does things like dumping Jamal in a trash can as a child for dressing as a woman and punching Hakeem in the face for publicly rapping about having sex with Anika and leaving Empire, but always finds a way to justify his actions.

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*** At one point, Jesse asks Walter if he wants to control the drug or money business, to which Walter replies "neither. I'm in the empire business." [[{{Pun}} Name of this show (and company) aside,]] aside]], Lucious also wants to build an empire, albeit ''through'' music rather than ''in spite'' of it.
*** Both fathers care much less about other people than they do their own families and friends, but are definitely not above manipulating and controlling them for their own purposes. However, Walter has generally never touched his own family, save for [[spoiler:getting into a struggle with Skyler over a knife she pulled on him, leading to Walt Jr. calling the police and triggering a HeelRealization within Walter.]] Walter]]. Lucious, on the other hand, does things like dumping Jamal in a trash can as a child for dressing as a woman and punching Hakeem in the face for publicly rapping about having sex with Anika and leaving Empire, but always finds a way to justify his actions.



*** Then there's how both men got into crime in the first place: [[UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom Hank told Walter how much money drug dealers can sell meth for, then later took him on a ride-along for a drug bust,]] whereas [[TheCorrupter Frank Gathers found Lucious on the street as a kid and had him sell drugs.]]

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*** Then there's how both men got into crime in the first place: [[UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom Hank told Walter how much money drug dealers can sell meth for, then later took him on a ride-along for a drug bust,]] bust]], whereas [[TheCorrupter Frank Gathers found Lucious on the street as a kid and had him sell drugs.]]drugs]].



* {{HSQ}}: Several, given the [[DramaBomb nature of the show]]. The reveal that [[spoiler:Lucious' mother is still alive]] and [[spoiler:Jamal getting shot by Freda]] stand out the most.
* IKnewIt: Anyone who was correct about [[spoiler: Anika pushing Rhonda down the stairs.]]
* The minute Andre said it was [[spoiler: Harper Scott, who revealed Lucious's mother being alive]], Lucious was on that "Handled" mindset.

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* {{HSQ}}: HolyShitQuotient: Several, given the [[DramaBomb nature of the show]]. The reveal that [[spoiler:Lucious' mother is still alive]] and [[spoiler:Jamal getting shot by Freda]] stand out the most.
* IKnewIt: Anyone who was correct about [[spoiler: Anika pushing Rhonda down the stairs.]]
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The minute Andre said it was [[spoiler: Harper Scott, who revealed Lucious's mother being alive]], Lucious was on that "Handled" mindset.



* SheReallyCanAct: Taraji P. Henson's performance of Cookie has gotten both the critics and the audience talking this trope.

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* SheReallyCanAct: [[SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct She Really Can Act]]: Taraji P. Henson's performance of Cookie has gotten both the critics and the audience talking this trope.



** Porhsa jumped a subway turnstile and when ticketed, she gave her name as [[spoiler: '''Cookie Lyon'''.]] [[GeorgeJetsonJobSecurity Oh, she got fired and then rehired.]]

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** Porhsa jumped a subway turnstile and when ticketed, she gave her name as [[spoiler: '''Cookie Lyon'''.]] Lyon''']]. [[GeorgeJetsonJobSecurity Oh, she got fired and then rehired.]]
5th Jun '16 10:46:35 AM JC96
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* IKnewIt: Anyone who was correct about [[spoiler: Anika pushing Rhonda down the stairs.]]
* The minute Andre said it was [[spoiler: Harper Scott, who revealed Lucious's mother being alive]], Lucious was on that "Handled" mindset.
3rd Jun '16 7:32:40 PM KINGBARBIE52
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*** Both fathers care much less about other people than they do their own families and friends, but are definitely not above manipulating and controlling them for their own purposes. However, Walter has generally never touched his own family, save for [[spoiler:getting into a struggle with Skyler over a knife she pulled on him, leading to Walt Jr. calling the police and triggering a HeelRealization within Walter.]] Lucious, on the other hand, does things like dumping Jamal in a trash can as a child for dressing as a woman and punching Hakeem in the face for publicly rapping about having sex with Anika and leaving Empire, but always finds a way to justify his actions.
*** Both have set up a pretense of doing the things they do to ensure a legacy for their children, yet are clearly in it for themselves, though while Walter doesn't admit this until [[spoiler:the very last episode, during his last conversation with Skyler]], Lucious is much more upfront about it--what with routinely sabotaging everyone else's authority and even threatening to kill Hakeem for taking over Empire.
*** Both men's families also have very different reactions to their fathers' true natures. Walter's family is utterly repulsed the more they learn, while Lucious' is at least willing to keep doing business with him and even occasionally trade kind words. Though this is likely since the Lyons are accustomed to Lucious being a {{Jerkass}}--yet are themselves still capable of being further angered as more of Lucious' skeletons are revealed.
*** Then there's how both men got into crime in the first place: [[UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom Hank told Walter how much money drug dealers can sell meth for, then later took him on a ride-along for a drug bust,]] whereas [[TheCorrupter Frank Gathers found Lucious on the street as a kid and had him sell drugs.]]
3rd Jun '16 6:58:12 PM KINGBARBIE52
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** Lucious Lyon and [[Series/BreakingBad Walter White]], [[CounterpartComparison with significant differences as well as similarities]].
*** Both are generally known by their AlliterativeName, although Lucious made his up.
*** Both adopted a fiercer name to fit a more hardcore persona (Lucious Lyon vs. Heisenberg) and distance themselves from their older and meeker name/persona (Dwight Walker vs. Walter White).
*** Additionally, one family was more familiar with "Lucious" than "Dwight", while the other family knew "Walter" and learned about "Heisenberg".
*** Both patriarchs were suffering from a fatal disease (ALS for Lucious, cancer for Walter) and thus wanted to ensure a lasting legacy for their children. Both also got news that they no longer had to worry about their illnesses; however, in Lucious' case, he learns that he was misdiagnosed with ALS, but in Walter's case [[spoiler:the cancer eventually returns and contributes to his death]].
*** At one point, Jesse asks Walter if he wants to control the drug or money business, to which Walter replies "neither. I'm in the empire business." [[{{Pun}} Name of this show (and company) aside,]] Lucious also wants to build an empire, albeit ''through'' music rather than ''in spite'' of it.
3rd Jun '16 6:26:48 PM KINGBARBIE52
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** Lucious is Jock Ewing, as both characters were founders of the company, patriarch of their families and strongly dislikes their middle child.
** Andre is JR Ewing, both qualifies as the WellDoneSonGuy and wants to take over the family business by any evil means necessary.
** Jamal is Gary Ewing, both suffer from MiddleChildSyndrome and are the TheUnfavourite to their fathers while the opposite to their mothers.
** Hakeem is Bobby Ewing, as both are the youngest in their families, heavily spoiled and favorited by their fathers and disliked by their eldest brothers, competing for their father's respect.
** Baretti is Cliff Barnes. Both men wants to destroy their main rival companies due to past conflicts.

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** *** Lucious is Jock Ewing, as both characters were founders of the company, patriarch of their families and strongly dislikes their middle child.
** *** Andre is JR Ewing, both qualifies Ewing. Both qualify as the WellDoneSonGuy and wants want to take over the family business by any evil means necessary.
** *** Jamal is Gary Ewing, both Ewing. Both suffer from MiddleChildSyndrome and are the TheUnfavourite to their fathers while the opposite to their mothers.
** *** Hakeem is Bobby Ewing, as both are the youngest in their families, heavily spoiled and favorited by their fathers and disliked by their eldest brothers, competing for their father's respect.
** *** Baretti is Cliff Barnes. Both men wants want to destroy their main rival companies due to past conflicts.



-->'''Tyrion:''' Why father, I believe I am you writ small.
-->'''Jamal:''' Everyone's gonna see that I'm you, but on steroids.

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-->'''Tyrion:''' --->'''Tyrion:''' Why father, I believe I am you writ small.
-->'''Jamal:''' --->'''Jamal:''' Everyone's gonna see that I'm you, but on steroids.



** [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything Thirsty Rawlings is a would-be lawyer "guilty people hires" and who claims to have graduated from the University of Guam.]] [[Series/BetterCallSaul Sound familiar?!]]

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** [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything [[Series/BetterCallSaul Thirsty Rawlings is a would-be lawyer "guilty people hires" and who claims to have graduated from the University of Guam.]] [[Series/BetterCallSaul Guam. Sound familiar?!]]familiar?]]
3rd Jun '16 6:18:42 PM KINGBARBIE52
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* {{Expy}}: Lucious is Jock Ewing, as both characters were founders of the company, patriarch of their families and strongly dislikes their middle child.

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* {{Expy}}: Of the [[{{Dallas}} Ewing family]]:
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Lucious is Jock Ewing, as both characters were founders of the company, patriarch of their families and strongly dislikes their middle child.



** Hakeem is Bobby Ewing, as both are the youngest in their families, heavily spoiled and favorited by their fathers and disliked by their eldest brothers, competing for their father's respect

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** Hakeem is Bobby Ewing, as both are the youngest in their families, heavily spoiled and favorited by their fathers and disliked by their eldest brothers, competing for their father's respectrespect.



* Some fans have noted similarities between the Lyons and [[GameOfThrones The Lannisters]]:
** Lucious is Tywin, as both are the patriarchs that built up the family fortune, who see their families as useful tools at best and enemies at worst.
** Cookie is Joanna: both mothers whose absence from the family shaped their children's identities, for better and worse. In the books, it's said that Joanna 'ruled Tywin,' and we see that Cookie is pretty much the only person that can stand up to Lucious.
** Andre is Cersei: they're the eldest and the ones who try ''so hard'' to follow their fathers' principles, do everything they're told, and denied what they feel is their birthright for arbitrary reasons (for Cersei, she's denied Casterly Rock because of her gender. For Andre, he's not in the running for Empire Records because he's not a musician). Both are also very manipulative and have no qualms pitting one sibling against the other to further their goals.
** Hakeem is Jaime, as both are their fathers' favourites, heavily spoiled and reckless at the beginning of the series. They both also undergo CharacterDevelopment and slowly become better men.
** Jamal is Tyrion, in that both are abused and ignored by their fathers for a trait they were born with (Tywin hates Tyrion partially because he's a dwarf, Lucious hates that Jamal is gay), and yet both are the ones who are most similar to their fathers and most 'worthy' of their legacy:

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* ** Some fans have noted similarities between the Lyons and [[GameOfThrones The Lannisters]]:
** *** Lucious is Tywin, as both are the patriarchs that built up the family fortune, who see their families as useful tools at best and enemies at worst.
** *** Cookie is Joanna: both mothers whose absence from the family shaped their children's identities, for better and worse. In the books, it's said that Joanna 'ruled Tywin,' and we see that Cookie is pretty much the only person that can stand up to Lucious.
** *** Andre is Cersei: they're the eldest and the ones who try ''so hard'' to follow their fathers' principles, do everything they're told, and denied what they feel is their birthright for arbitrary reasons (for Cersei, she's denied Casterly Rock because of her gender. For Andre, he's not in the running for Empire Records because he's not a musician). Both are also very manipulative and have no qualms pitting one sibling against the other to further their goals.
** *** Hakeem is Jaime, as both are their fathers' favourites, heavily spoiled and reckless at the beginning of the series. They both also undergo CharacterDevelopment and slowly become better men.
** *** Jamal is Tyrion, in that both are abused and ignored by their fathers for a trait they were born with (Tywin hates Tyrion partially because he's a dwarf, Lucious hates that Jamal is gay), and yet both are the ones who are most similar to their fathers and most 'worthy' of their legacy:



** That's not even getting into the fact that both families have adopted lions as part of their creed and/or symbols.
* [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything Thirsty Rawlings is a would-be lawyer "guilty people hires" and who claims to have graduated from the University of Guam.]] [[Series/BetterCallSaul Sound familiar?!]]

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** *** That's not even getting into the fact that both families have adopted lions as part of their creed and/or symbols.
* ** [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything Thirsty Rawlings is a would-be lawyer "guilty people hires" and who claims to have graduated from the University of Guam.]] [[Series/BetterCallSaul Sound familiar?!]]
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