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* ItWasHisSled: Even before the completion of the series. [[spoiler:GENSOKYO LOCAL BEEF IS PEOPLE! Specifically all the other gappies.]] And this is used to point out the [[FridgeHorror Fridge Horror]] what happens [[YouBastard when people try to use Gensokyo as a personal playground]].
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* ItWasHisSled: Even before the completion of the series. [[spoiler:GENSOKYO LOCAL BEEF IS PEOPLE! Specifically all the other gappies.]] And this is used to point out the [[FridgeHorror Fridge Horror]] FridgeHorror of what happens [[YouBastard when people try to use Gensokyo as a personal playground]].
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* Most people have believed that this story is how Spaz views Gensokyo. As he detailed on the abrdiged version of Wrath of the Amanojaku, this is NOT true at all.
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* RootingForTheEmpire: [[BlackAndGrayMorality It can be interpreted that the audience is not supposed to root for anyone in the story.]] On one hand, [[WordOfGod Spaztique]] wanted viewers to increasingly question who was really good or bad to avoid making the same mistakes in their own stories, but on the other, many have complained [[BecameTheirOwnAntithesis Spaztique does exactly what he says the fic was meant to prevent]]. Given the audience's [[BrokenBase extremely divisive reactions to Diamond in the Rough]], [[WordOfGod something that Spaztique anticipated in his attempt to make Touhou fans and fanfic writers question themselves and everything they know about canon or fanon]], this can serve as [[GoneHorriblyRight an example of what happens when numerous audience reactions are taken to an extreme]].
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* RootingForTheEmpire: [[BlackAndGrayMorality It can be interpreted that the audience is not supposed to root for anyone in the story.]] On one hand, [[WordOfGod Spaztique]] wanted viewers to increasingly question who was really good or bad to avoid making the same mistakes in their own stories, but on the other, many have complained [[BecameTheirOwnAntithesis Spaztique does exactly what he says the fic was meant to prevent]]. Given the audience's [[BrokenBase extremely divisive reactions reactions]] to Diamond in the Rough]], [[WordOfGod Rough, something that Spaztique anticipated in his attempt to make Touhou fans and fanfic writers question themselves and everything they know about canon or fanon]], fanon, this can serve as [[GoneHorriblyRight an example of what happens when numerous audience reactions are taken to an extreme]].
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy:
** There have been a few calls that the plot is basically a giant downward spiral for a Gappy that leads to the destruction of Gensokyo with nothing to stop it. Though, by the end, [[spoiler:Brolli, Reimu, Aya, and Momiji are the last ones trying to save Gensokyo, Tenshi's efforts will prevent further destruction by Jack Diehard and future Gappies, and Vic sets out to stop more people from taking Yukari's offer.]] [[LampshadeHanging Reimu herself lampshades how horrible and pointless ''Diamond In The Rough'' turned out to be]], and [[WordOfGod Spaztique]] [[IntendedAudienceReaction states that this is the precisely the point]].
** There have also been a few who have voiced this about the treatment of certain characters in the series by either a Gappy or another character, and the KickTheDog moments getting more and more malicious. [[spoiler: Yuuka is probably the biggest example.]] [[MisaimedFandom Some people by the end have brought up that they wished ''everyone'' should suffer a FateWorseThanDeath for]] [[spoiler: all of them being at least indirectly responsible for Brolli's death and Gensokyo's destruction]]... [[WordOfGod which is NOT the message that Spaztique was trying to convey, as stated in his author's notes.]]
** There have been a few calls that the plot is basically a giant downward spiral for a Gappy that leads to the destruction of Gensokyo with nothing to stop it. Though, by the end, [[spoiler:Brolli, Reimu, Aya, and Momiji are the last ones trying to save Gensokyo, Tenshi's efforts will prevent further destruction by Jack Diehard and future Gappies, and Vic sets out to stop more people from taking Yukari's offer.]] [[LampshadeHanging Reimu herself lampshades how horrible and pointless ''Diamond In The Rough'' turned out to be]], and [[WordOfGod Spaztique]] [[IntendedAudienceReaction states that this is the precisely the point]].
** There have also been a few who have voiced this about the treatment of certain characters in the series by either a Gappy or another character, and the KickTheDog moments getting more and more malicious. [[spoiler: Yuuka is probably the biggest example.]] [[MisaimedFandom Some people by the end have brought up that they wished ''everyone'' should suffer a FateWorseThanDeath for]] [[spoiler: all of them being at least indirectly responsible for Brolli's death and Gensokyo's destruction]]... [[WordOfGod which is NOT the message that Spaztique was trying to convey, as stated in his author's notes.]]
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* RootingForTheEmpire: Deconstructed in the full film: [[spoiler:If you're rooting for Tenshi to finally kill Brolli, you seem to have forgotten that Brolli's death will also affect virtually everyone he knows. Sadly, your only option is to root for the [[DesignatedHero "hero"]], but [[ForegoneConclusion since we know he's going to die]], [[DownerEnding well]]...]]
** [[BlackAndGrayMorality It can be interpreted that the audience is not supposed to root for anyone in the story.]] On one hand, [[WordOfGod Spaztique]] wanted viewers to increasingly question who was really good or bad to avoid making the same mistakes in their own stories, but on the other, many have complained [[BecameTheirOwnAntithesis Spaztique does exactly what he says the fic was meant to prevent]].
** Given the audience's [[BrokenBase extremely divisive reactions to Diamond in the Rough]], [[WordOfGod something that Spaztique anticipated in his attempt to make Touhou fans and fanfic writers question themselves and everything they know about canon or fanon]], [[GoneHorriblyWrong this can serve as]] [[GoneHorriblyRight an example of what happens when numerous audience reactions are taken to an extreme]].
** [[BlackAndGrayMorality It can be interpreted that the audience is not supposed to root for anyone in the story.]] On one hand, [[WordOfGod Spaztique]] wanted viewers to increasingly question who was really good or bad to avoid making the same mistakes in their own stories, but on the other, many have complained [[BecameTheirOwnAntithesis Spaztique does exactly what he says the fic was meant to prevent]].
** Given the audience's [[BrokenBase extremely divisive reactions to Diamond in the Rough]], [[WordOfGod something that Spaztique anticipated in his attempt to make Touhou fans and fanfic writers question themselves and everything they know about canon or fanon]], [[GoneHorriblyWrong this can serve as]] [[GoneHorriblyRight an example of what happens when numerous audience reactions are taken to an extreme]].
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* RootingForTheEmpire: Deconstructed in the full film: [[spoiler:If you're rooting for Tenshi to finally kill Brolli, you seem to have forgotten that Brolli's death will also affect virtually everyone he knows. Sadly, your only option is to root for the [[DesignatedHero "hero"]], but [[ForegoneConclusion since we know he's going to die]], [[DownerEnding well]]...]]
**[[BlackAndGrayMorality It can be interpreted that the audience is not supposed to root for anyone in the story.]] On one hand, [[WordOfGod Spaztique]] wanted viewers to increasingly question who was really good or bad to avoid making the same mistakes in their own stories, but on the other, many have complained [[BecameTheirOwnAntithesis Spaztique does exactly what he says the fic was meant to prevent]].
**prevent]]. Given the audience's [[BrokenBase extremely divisive reactions to Diamond in the Rough]], [[WordOfGod something that Spaztique anticipated in his attempt to make Touhou fans and fanfic writers question themselves and everything they know about canon or fanon]], [[GoneHorriblyWrong this can serve as]] as [[GoneHorriblyRight an example of what happens when numerous audience reactions are taken to an extreme]].
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** There have been a few calls that the plot is basically a giant downward spiral for a Gappy that leads to the destruction of Gensokyo with nothing to stop it. Though, by the end, [[spoiler:Brolli, Reimu, Aya, and Momiji are the last ones trying to save Gensokyo, Tenshi's efforts will prevent further destruction by Jack Diehard and future Gappies, and Vic sets out to stop more people from taking Yukari's offer.]] [[LampshadeHanging Reimu herself lampshades how horrible and pointless ''Diamond In The Rough'' turned out to be]], and [[WordOfGod Spaztique]] [[IntendedAudienceReaction states that this is the precisely the point]].
** There have been a few who have voiced this about the treatment of certain characters in the series by either a Gappy or another character, and the KickTheDog moments getting more and more malicious. [[spoiler: Yuuka is probably the biggest example.]] [[MisaimedFandom Some people by the end have brought up that they wished ''everyone'' should suffer a FateWorseThanDeath for]] [[spoiler: all of them being at least indirectly responsible for Brolli's death and Gensokyo's destruction]]... [[WordOfGod which is NOT the message that Spaztique was trying to convey, as stated in his author's notes.]]
** There have been a few calls that the plot is basically a giant downward spiral for a Gappy that leads to the destruction of Gensokyo with nothing to stop it. Though, by the end, [[spoiler:Brolli, Reimu, Aya, and Momiji are the last ones trying to save Gensokyo, Tenshi's efforts will prevent further destruction by Jack Diehard and future Gappies, and Vic sets out to stop more people from taking Yukari's offer.]] [[LampshadeHanging Reimu herself lampshades how horrible and pointless ''Diamond In The Rough'' turned out to be]], and [[WordOfGod Spaztique]] [[IntendedAudienceReaction states that this is the precisely the point]].
** There have been a few who have voiced this about the treatment of certain characters in the series by either a Gappy or another character, and the KickTheDog moments getting more and more malicious. [[spoiler: Yuuka is probably the biggest example.]] [[MisaimedFandom Some people by the end have brought up that they wished ''everyone'' should suffer a FateWorseThanDeath for]] [[spoiler: all of them being at least indirectly responsible for Brolli's death and Gensokyo's destruction]]... [[WordOfGod which is NOT the message that Spaztique was trying to convey, as stated in his author's notes.]]
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I understand that many people dislike the series, but this comment just seems inflammatory.
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* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: [=DitR=] really shows it was made in a time where self-insert fanfiction was reviled, that being around 2013— this is to say nothing of how it used a [[AccentuateTheNegative particular]] reading of Touhou canon as available at the time. If Spaztique attempted to release this by the time of the early 2020’s, the internet would have laughed at him. The fact that it was a feature film-length assault on a ''an actual person’s fanfiction'' would probably be seen as fairly distasteful by audiences today, regardless of said fanfiction’s actual quality.
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* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: [=DitR=] really shows it was made in a time where self-insert fanfiction was reviled, that being around 2013— this is to say nothing of how it used a [[AccentuateTheNegative particular]] reading of Touhou canon as available at the time. If Spaztique attempted to release this by the time of the early 2020’s, the internet would have laughed at him. The fact that it was a feature film-length assault on a ''an actual person’s fanfiction'' would probably be seen as fairly distasteful by audiences today, regardless of said fanfiction’s actual quality.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: A DeconstructorFleet of the typical Western Touhou FandomSpecificPlot of its time, adhering closely to the canon of Gensokyo and tearing apart orientalist [[MarySue Gappy Stu]] fanfiction to the point it essentially [[GenreKiller wiped them off the map.]] Well, that was how it was treated in the early 2010’s. When canon works like ''Forbidden Scrollery'' began to lean into (reasonably) darker interpretations of Gensokyo and ''Urban Legend in Limbo'' essentially played out ZUN’s version of a Gappy plot, ''Diamond In the Rough'' just wasn’t as unique as it once was. Combined with the evolving tone of the series and [[FandomLifecycle changes in the fan creator culture of the western Touhou fandom itself]], to the point where Walfas isn’t even updated anymore, you see things like the above HypeBacklash as emerged in the early 2020’s. (An easy example can be found in all reviews as of July 2021-- they're all outstandingly negative.) Not helping is the fact that tropes like [[spoiler:RapeAsDrama]] became played ''very'' differently in later years of the 2010’s, and the shockingly horrific conclusion sequence of Diamond in the Rough contrasts with the much more subtle [[GothicHorror Gothic Horror-esque]] dystopian readings of Gensokyo the mangas provide. See HilariousInHindsight.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: A DeconstructorFleet of the typical Western Touhou FandomSpecificPlot of its time, adhering closely to the canon of Gensokyo and tearing apart orientalist [[MarySue Gappy Stu]] Stu fanfiction to the point it essentially [[GenreKiller wiped them off the map.]] Well, that was how it was treated in the early 2010’s. When canon works like ''Forbidden Scrollery'' began to lean into (reasonably) darker interpretations of Gensokyo and ''Urban Legend in Limbo'' essentially played out ZUN’s version of a Gappy plot, ''Diamond In the Rough'' just wasn’t as unique as it once was. Combined with the evolving tone of the series and [[FandomLifecycle [[FandomLifeCycle changes in the fan creator culture of the western Touhou fandom itself]], to the point where Walfas isn’t even updated anymore, you see things like the above HypeBacklash as emerged in the early 2020’s. 2020s (An easy example can be found in all reviews as of July 2021-- they're all outstandingly negative.) negative). Not helping is the fact that tropes like [[spoiler:RapeAsDrama]] became played ''very'' differently in later years of the 2010’s, 2010s, and the shockingly horrific conclusion sequence of Diamond ''Diamond in the Rough Rough'' contrasts with the much more subtle [[GothicHorror Gothic Horror-esque]] {{Gothic Horror}}-esque dystopian readings of Gensokyo the mangas manga adaptations provide. See HilariousInHindsight.
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** There is now a canon Touhou game titled ''Urban Legend in Limbo'' that involves a self-centered high school student coming to Gensokyo and nearly destroying it.
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** There is now a canon Touhou game titled ''Urban game, ''[[VideoGame/TouhouShinpirokuUrbanLegendInLimbo Urban Legend in Limbo'' Limbo]]'', that involves a self-centered high school student coming to Gensokyo and nearly destroying it.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: A DeconstructorFleet of the typical Western Touhou FandomSpecificPlot of its time, adhering closely to the canon of Gensokyo and tearing apart orientalist [[MarySue Gappy Stu]] fanfiction to the point it essentially [[GenreKiller wiped them off the map.]] Well, that was how it was treated in the early 2010’s. When canon works like Manga/TouhouSuzunaanForbiddenScrollery began to lean into (reasonably) darker interpretations of Gensokyo and VideoGame/TouhouShinpirokuUrbanLegendInLimbo essentially played out ZUN’s version of a Gappy plot, Diamond In the Rough just wasn’t as unique as it once was. Combined with the evolving tone of the series and [[FandomLifecycle changes in the fan creator culture of the western Touhou fandom itself]], to the point where Walfas isn’t even updated anymore, you see things like the above HypeBacklash as emerged in the early 2020’s. (An easy example can be found in all reviews as of July 2021-- they're all outstandingly negative.) Not helping is the fact that tropes like [[spoiler:RapeAsDrama]] became played ''very'' differently in later years of the 2010’s, and the shockingly horrific conclusion sequence of Diamond in the Rough contrasts with the much more subtle [[GothicHorror Gothic Horror-esque]] dystopian readings of Gensokyo the mangas provide. See HilariousInHindsight.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: A DeconstructorFleet of the typical Western Touhou FandomSpecificPlot of its time, adhering closely to the canon of Gensokyo and tearing apart orientalist [[MarySue Gappy Stu]] fanfiction to the point it essentially [[GenreKiller wiped them off the map.]] Well, that was how it was treated in the early 2010’s. When canon works like Manga/TouhouSuzunaanForbiddenScrollery ''Forbidden Scrollery'' began to lean into (reasonably) darker interpretations of Gensokyo and VideoGame/TouhouShinpirokuUrbanLegendInLimbo ''Urban Legend in Limbo'' essentially played out ZUN’s version of a Gappy plot, Diamond ''Diamond In the Rough Rough'' just wasn’t as unique as it once was. Combined with the evolving tone of the series and [[FandomLifecycle changes in the fan creator culture of the western Touhou fandom itself]], to the point where Walfas isn’t even updated anymore, you see things like the above HypeBacklash as emerged in the early 2020’s. (An easy example can be found in all reviews as of July 2021-- they're all outstandingly negative.) Not helping is the fact that tropes like [[spoiler:RapeAsDrama]] became played ''very'' differently in later years of the 2010’s, and the shockingly horrific conclusion sequence of Diamond in the Rough contrasts with the much more subtle [[GothicHorror Gothic Horror-esque]] dystopian readings of Gensokyo the mangas provide. See HilariousInHindsight.
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** Hell, even ''VideoGame/LenEn'' (a ShootEmUp game based on ''Touhou'') portraits a fantasy world and some outsider humans coming to Mugenri (the equivalent of Gensokyo), where they gain powers and resolve incidents. However, later games (''Brilliant Pagoda or Haze Castle'' in particular) show that some of these outsiders are becoming corrupt and the residents are planning to kick them out. Coincidence.
** And now in the territory of official works, in [[Manga/TouhouSuzunaanForbiddenScrollery Forbidden Scrollery]], more specifically, chapters 46-50, it has brought into the thing some plot points used in Spaztique's webcomic, like [[spoiler:the Youkai's importance to Gensokyo's ecosystem, and Kosuzu, being influenced by a Youkai by using the titular scroll and using that power intending to bring balance to Gensokyo.]]
* HypeBacklash: It may have been the best thing Walfas had to offer in the early 2010's, and a LOT of the community hyped it up as so- Even Wiki/TVTropes is guilty of it! However, fast foward to 2020, most people would tell you it's not as good as others said it was.
** And now in the territory of official works, in [[Manga/TouhouSuzunaanForbiddenScrollery Forbidden Scrollery]], more specifically, chapters 46-50, it has brought into the thing some plot points used in Spaztique's webcomic, like [[spoiler:the Youkai's importance to Gensokyo's ecosystem, and Kosuzu, being influenced by a Youkai by using the titular scroll and using that power intending to bring balance to Gensokyo.]]
* HypeBacklash: It may have been the best thing Walfas had to offer in the early 2010's, and a LOT of the community hyped it up as so- Even Wiki/TVTropes is guilty of it! However, fast foward to 2020, most people would tell you it's not as good as others said it was.
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** Hell, even ''VideoGame/LenEn'' (a ShootEmUp game based on ''Touhou'') portraits portrays a fantasy world and some outsider humans coming to Mugenri (the equivalent of Gensokyo), where they gain powers and resolve incidents. However, later games (''Brilliant Pagoda or Haze Castle'' in particular) show that some of these outsiders are becoming corrupt and the residents are planning to kick them out. Coincidence.
** And now in the territory of official works, in[[Manga/TouhouSuzunaanForbiddenScrollery ''[[Manga/TouhouSuzunaanForbiddenScrollery Forbidden Scrollery]], more specifically, Scrollery]]'' chapters 46-50, it has brought into the thing some plot points used in Spaztique's webcomic, like webcomic come up, such as [[spoiler:the Youkai's importance to Gensokyo's ecosystem, and Kosuzu, being influenced by a Youkai by using the titular scroll and using that power intending to bring balance to Gensokyo.]]
* HypeBacklash: It may have been the best thing Walfas had to offer in the early2010's, 2010s, and a LOT of the community hyped it up as so- Even so--Even Wiki/TVTropes is guilty of it! However, fast foward forward to 2020, most people would tell you it's not as good as others said it was.
** And now in the territory of official works, in
* HypeBacklash: It may have been the best thing Walfas had to offer in the early
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* DesignatedHero: Even though he's the "hero", Brolli doesn't really do anything heroic at all [[spoiler:up until the end of the story. Although even then all he did was give Tenshi exactly what she wanted (his death)... so not really sure that counts as being heroic.]]. It's pretty obvious that his arrival to Gensokyo and his behavior ends up making things worse for pretty much everyone.
** [[spoiler: Though given just how much [[TraumaCongaLine crap Brolli is put through]] and considering what some of the [[BlueAndOrangeMorality other characters]] end up doing, Brolli could considered a [[DesignatedVillain designated villain as well.]]]]
** [[spoiler: Though given just how much [[TraumaCongaLine crap Brolli is put through]] and considering what some of the [[BlueAndOrangeMorality other characters]] end up doing, Brolli could considered a [[DesignatedVillain designated villain as well.]]]]
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* DesignatedHero: DesignatedHero:
** Even though he's the "hero", Brolli doesn't really do anything heroic at all [[spoiler:up until the end of the story. Although even then all he did was give Tenshi exactly what she wanted (his death)... so not really sure that counts as being heroic.]]. It's pretty obvious that his arrival to Gensokyo and his behavior ends up making things worse for pretty mucheveryone.
**everyone. [[spoiler: Though given just how much [[TraumaCongaLine crap Brolli is put through]] and considering what some of the [[BlueAndOrangeMorality other characters]] end up doing, Brolli could considered a [[DesignatedVillain designated villain as well.]]]]
** Even though he's the "hero", Brolli doesn't really do anything heroic at all [[spoiler:up until the end of the story. Although even then all he did was give Tenshi exactly what she wanted (his death)... so not really sure that counts as being heroic.]]. It's pretty obvious that his arrival to Gensokyo and his behavior ends up making things worse for pretty much
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* AngstAversion: [[http://comments.deviantart.com/1/326829178/2740448822 Confirmed]] [[http://comments.deviantart.com/1/326977284/2742123247 several]] [[http://comments.deviantart.com/1/326977284/2751773114 times]] when word of mouth spread far enough for some people in the Walfas community to stand far from ''Diamond In The Rough'' for how brutal [[DownerEnding its ending is]]. However, compared to the reactions, it's not [[http://fav.me/d5ftiuf as bad as it seems]]... Though some people have called this on scenes that does not include the ending such as the scenes where [[spoiler: [[GratuitousRape Yuuka and Keine get raped by the previous Gappy]]]].
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* AngstAversion: [[http://comments.deviantart.com/1/326829178/2740448822 Confirmed]] [[http://comments.deviantart.com/1/326977284/2742123247 several]] [[http://comments.deviantart.com/1/326977284/2751773114 times]] when word of mouth spread far enough for some people in the Walfas community to stand far from ''Diamond In The in the Rough'' for how brutal [[DownerEnding its ending is]]. However, compared to the reactions, it's not [[http://fav.me/d5ftiuf as bad as it seems]]... Though some people have called this on scenes that does not include the ending such as the scenes where [[spoiler: [[GratuitousRape Yuuka and Keine get raped by the previous Gappy]]]].
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** In a meta sense, modern audiences can be alienated by the fact that it’s based on an ''actual fanfiction'' and Brolli himself was someone’s ''actual self-insert.'' The above “obscure Touhou facts” are still pulled from the UnreliableNarrator of the Gensokyo Chronicles— meaning that [=DiTR=] opted for the darkest reading possible at the time, even if that ultimately made it DarkerAndEdgier than canon. Ironically, this renders It’s pretty heavily an UnintentionalPeriodPiece of the 2013 western Touhou fandom.
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** In a meta sense, modern audiences can be alienated by the fact that it’s based on an ''actual fanfiction'' and Brolli himself was someone’s ''actual self-insert.'' The above “obscure Touhou facts” are still pulled from the UnreliableNarrator of the Gensokyo Chronicles— meaning that [=DiTR=] opted for the darkest reading possible at the time, even if that ultimately made it DarkerAndEdgier than canon. Ironically, this renders It’s pretty heavily much makes it an UnintentionalPeriodPiece of the 2013 western Touhou fandom.
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* AngstAversion: [[http://comments.deviantart.com/1/326829178/2740448822 Confirmed]] [[http://comments.deviantart.com/1/326977284/2742123247 several]] [[http://comments.deviantart.com/1/326977284/2751773114 times]] when word of mouth spread far enough for some people in the Walfas community to stand far from Diamond In The Rough for how brutal [[DownerEnding its ending is]]. However, compared to the reactions, it's not [[http://fav.me/d5ftiuf as bad as it seems]]... Though some people have called this on scenes that does not include the ending such as the scenes where [[spoiler: [[GratuitousRape Yuuka and Keine get raped by the previous Gappy]]]].
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* AngstAversion: [[http://comments.deviantart.com/1/326829178/2740448822 Confirmed]] [[http://comments.deviantart.com/1/326977284/2742123247 several]] [[http://comments.deviantart.com/1/326977284/2751773114 times]] when word of mouth spread far enough for some people in the Walfas community to stand far from Diamond ''Diamond In The Rough Rough'' for how brutal [[DownerEnding its ending is]]. However, compared to the reactions, it's not [[http://fav.me/d5ftiuf as bad as it seems]]... Though some people have called this on scenes that does not include the ending such as the scenes where [[spoiler: [[GratuitousRape Yuuka and Keine get raped by the previous Gappy]]]].
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* HypeBacklash: It may have been the best thing Walfas had to offer in the early 2010's, and a LOT of the community hyped it up as so- Even TVTropes is guilty of it! However, fast foward to 2020, most people would tell you it's not as good as others said it was.
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* HypeBacklash: It may have been the best thing Walfas had to offer in the early 2010's, and a LOT of the community hyped it up as so- Even TVTropes Wiki/TVTropes is guilty of it! However, fast foward to 2020, most people would tell you it's not as good as others said it was.
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* TearJerker: To the point of AngstAversion. Has [[TearJerker/DiamondInTheRoughTouhou its own page]].
%%* UnexpectedCharacter:
%%** In Episode 14, [[spoiler:Shinki and Yumeko.]]
%%** In Episode 18, [[spoiler:Genji]].
%%** In Episode 19, [[spoiler:Konngara]], [[spoiler:Rinnosuke]][[note]]with a ''shotgun''[[/note]], and [[spoiler:Sekibanki]].
%%* UnexpectedCharacter:
%%** In Episode 14, [[spoiler:Shinki and Yumeko.]]
%%** In Episode 18, [[spoiler:Genji]].
%%** In Episode 19, [[spoiler:Konngara]], [[spoiler:Rinnosuke]][[note]]with a ''shotgun''[[/note]], and [[spoiler:Sekibanki]].
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* TearJerker: To UnintentionalPeriodPiece: [=DitR=] really shows it was made in a time where self-insert fanfiction was reviled, that being around 2013— this is to say nothing of how it used a [[AccentuateTheNegative particular]] reading of Touhou canon as available at the point time. If Spaztique attempted to release this by the time of AngstAversion. Has [[TearJerker/DiamondInTheRoughTouhou its own page]].
%%* UnexpectedCharacter:
%%** In Episode 14, [[spoiler:Shinki and Yumeko.]]
%%** In Episode 18, [[spoiler:Genji]].
%%** In Episode 19, [[spoiler:Konngara]], [[spoiler:Rinnosuke]][[note]]withthe early 2020’s, the internet would have laughed at him. The fact that it was a ''shotgun''[[/note]], and [[spoiler:Sekibanki]].feature film-length assault on a ''an actual person’s fanfiction'' would probably be seen as fairly distasteful by audiences today, regardless of said fanfiction’s actual quality.
%%* UnexpectedCharacter:
%%** In Episode 14, [[spoiler:Shinki and Yumeko.]]
%%** In Episode 18, [[spoiler:Genji]].
%%** In Episode 19, [[spoiler:Konngara]], [[spoiler:Rinnosuke]][[note]]with
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** If anything, the so-called heroes are [[BystanderSyndrome Reimu, who spends most of her screen time complaining about Gappy Stus and is powerless to do anything about]] [[InvincibleVillain Yukari]]; [[NotSoDifferent Marisa, who acts just as horrible and selfish as Brolli and outright encourages him to be selfish as well]]; and [[MarySueHunter Tenshi, who does bad things, is presented by Spaztique as a lone voice of reason and gets away with genocide scot-free]]... [[StrawCharacter but unlike Brolli]], [[DoubleStandard they aren't forced to suffer negative consequences for their questionable actions.]]
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** If anything, the so-called heroes are [[BystanderSyndrome Reimu, who spends most of her screen time complaining about Gappy Stus and is powerless to do anything about]] [[InvincibleVillain Yukari]]; [[NotSoDifferent Marisa, who acts just as horrible and selfish as Brolli and outright encourages him to be selfish as well]]; well; and [[MarySueHunter Tenshi, who does bad things, is presented by Spaztique as a lone voice of reason and gets away with genocide scot-free]]... [[StrawCharacter but unlike Brolli]], [[DoubleStandard they aren't forced to suffer negative consequences for their questionable actions.]]
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** Marisa fits in this trope for some viewers. [[spoiler: She is the only one that doesn't feel regret for her actions and she's NotSoDifferent from Brolli, also taking advantage of Gensokyo's resources, leading to the BrokenAesop of "you can explore Gensokyo as you wish, if you don't become an existential threat." Although she has a track record of resolving incidents and obeys the limits of Gensokyo, some viewers tend to see her as being BornLucky.]] Episode 11 seems to try to [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap rectify this]] though [[spoiler:by her admitting that her actions are a bit selfish and saying that even then, she would sacrifice her life if it meant preserving the balance of Gensokyo]]. Whether or not viewers accept this remains to be seen. [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic Of course, considering that only Brolli gets dragged off to the chopping block for a so-called "karmic death" even though they have extremely similar character flaws...]]
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** Marisa fits in this trope for some viewers. [[spoiler: She is the only one that doesn't feel regret for her actions and she's NotSoDifferent from similar to Brolli, also taking advantage of Gensokyo's resources, leading to the BrokenAesop of "you can explore Gensokyo as you wish, if you don't become an existential threat." Although she has a track record of resolving incidents and obeys the limits of Gensokyo, some viewers tend to see her as being BornLucky.]] Episode 11 seems to try to [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap rectify this]] though [[spoiler:by her admitting that her actions are a bit selfish and saying that even then, she would sacrifice her life if it meant preserving the balance of Gensokyo]]. Whether or not viewers accept this remains to be seen. [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic Of course, considering that only Brolli gets dragged off to the chopping block for a so-called "karmic death" even though they have extremely similar character flaws...]]
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** [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic Oddly enough]], [[GodIsGood Eiki Shiki herself can count as this]]. [[FridgeLogic As pointed out by one sharp-eyed reviewer on Deviantart]], [[TheConscience Shiki's job is to call out any and all wrongdoing when she sees it]]. [[JerkassHasAPoint Shiki certainly has plenty of reasons to tear into Brolli for his many, many sins and character flaws]]. However, [[CharacterFocus the narrative's intense focus on Brolli]], [[AuthorTract Arturo]] and [[StrawCharacter the other Gappy Stus]] means that [[NotSoDifferent Shiki doesn't actually call out any of the canon characters]] [[IdiotPlot for contributing to the Gappy Stu nonsense.]] Besides, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen Shinki never got a chance]] to call out [[BigBad Yukari]] for being such a horrible person.
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** [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic Oddly enough]], [[GodIsGood Eiki Shiki herself can count as this]]. [[FridgeLogic As pointed out by one sharp-eyed reviewer on Deviantart]], [[TheConscience Shiki's job is to call out any and all wrongdoing when she sees it]]. [[JerkassHasAPoint Shiki certainly has plenty of reasons to tear into Brolli for his many, many sins and character flaws]]. However, [[CharacterFocus the narrative's intense focus on Brolli]], [[AuthorTract Arturo]] and [[StrawCharacter the other Gappy Stus]] means that [[NotSoDifferent Shiki doesn't actually call out any of the canon characters]] characters [[IdiotPlot for contributing to the Gappy Stu nonsense.]] Besides, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen Shinki never got a chance]] to call out [[BigBad Yukari]] for being such a horrible person.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: A DeconstructorFleet of the typical Western Touhou FandomSpecificPlot of its time, adhering closely to the canon of Gensokyo and tearing apart orientalist [[MarySue Gappy Stu]] fanfiction to the point it essentially [[GenreKiller wiped them off the map.]] Well, that was how it was treated in the early 2010’s. When canon works like Manga/TouhouSuzunaanForbiddenScrollery began to lean into (reasonably) darker interpretations of Gensokyo and VideoGame/TouhouShinpirokuUrbanLegendInLimbo essentially played out ZUN’s version of a Gappy plot, Diamond In the Rough just wasn’t as unique as it once was. Combined with the evolving tone of the series and [[FandomLifecycle changes in the fan creator culture of the western Touhou fandom itself]], to the point where Walfas isn’t even updated anymore, you see things like the above HypeBacklash as emerged in the early 2020’s. Not helping is the fact that tropes like [[spoiler:RapeAsDrama]] became played ''very'' differently in later years of the 2010’s, and the shockingly horrific conclusion sequence of Diamond in the Rough contrasts with the much more subtle [[GothicHorror Gothic Horror-esque]] dystopian readings of Gensokyo the mangas provide. See HilariousInHindsight.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: A DeconstructorFleet of the typical Western Touhou FandomSpecificPlot of its time, adhering closely to the canon of Gensokyo and tearing apart orientalist [[MarySue Gappy Stu]] fanfiction to the point it essentially [[GenreKiller wiped them off the map.]] Well, that was how it was treated in the early 2010’s. When canon works like Manga/TouhouSuzunaanForbiddenScrollery began to lean into (reasonably) darker interpretations of Gensokyo and VideoGame/TouhouShinpirokuUrbanLegendInLimbo essentially played out ZUN’s version of a Gappy plot, Diamond In the Rough just wasn’t as unique as it once was. Combined with the evolving tone of the series and [[FandomLifecycle changes in the fan creator culture of the western Touhou fandom itself]], to the point where Walfas isn’t even updated anymore, you see things like the above HypeBacklash as emerged in the early 2020’s. (An easy example can be found in all reviews as of July 2021-- they're all outstandingly negative.) Not helping is the fact that tropes like [[spoiler:RapeAsDrama]] became played ''very'' differently in later years of the 2010’s, and the shockingly horrific conclusion sequence of Diamond in the Rough contrasts with the much more subtle [[GothicHorror Gothic Horror-esque]] dystopian readings of Gensokyo the mangas provide. See HilariousInHindsight.
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* ItWasHisSled: Even before the completion of the series. [[spoiler:GENSOKYO LOCAL BEEF IS PEOPLE! Specifically all the other gappies.]] And this is used to point out the [[FridgeHorror Fridge Horror]] [[RealityEnsues what happens]] [[YouBastard when people try to use Gensokyo as a personal playground]].
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* ItWasHisSled: Even before the completion of the series. [[spoiler:GENSOKYO LOCAL BEEF IS PEOPLE! Specifically all the other gappies.]] And this is used to point out the [[FridgeHorror Fridge Horror]] [[RealityEnsues what happens]] happens [[YouBastard when people try to use Gensokyo as a personal playground]].
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** In a meta sense, modern audiences can be alienated by the fact that it’s based on an ''actual fanfiction'' and Brolli himself was someone’s ''actual self-insert.'' The above “obscure Touhou facts” are still pulled from the UnreliableNarrator of the Gensokyo Chronicles— meaning that [=DiTR=] opted for the darkest reading possible at the time, even if that ultimately made it DarkerAndEdgier than canon. Ironically, this renders It’s pretty heavily an UnintentionalPeriodPiece of the 2013 western Touhou fandom.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: A DeconstructorFleet of the typical Western Touhou FandomSpecificPlot of its time, adhering closely to the canon of Gensokyo and tearing apart orientalist [[MarySue Gappy Stu]] fanfiction to the point it essentially [[GenreKiller wiped them off the map.]] Well, that was how it was treated in the early 2010’s. When canon works like Manga/TouhouSuzunaanForbiddenScrollery began to lean into (reasonably) darker interpretations of Gensokyo and VideoGame/TouhouShinpirokuUrbanLegendInLimbo essentially played out ZUN’s version of a Gappy plot, Diamond In the Rough just wasn’t as unique as it once was. Combined with the evolving tone of the series and [[FandomLifecycle changes in the fan creator culture of the western Touhou fandom itself]], to the point where Walfas isn’t even updated anymore, you see things like the above HypeBacklash as emerged in the early 2020’s. Not helping is the fact that tropes like [[spoiler:RapeAsDrama]] became played ''very'' differently in later years of the 2010’s, and the shockingly horrific conclusion sequence of Diamond in the Rough contrasts with the much more subtle [[GothicHorror GothicHorror-esque]] darker readings of Gensokyo the mangas provide. See HilariousInHindsight.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: A DeconstructorFleet of the typical Western Touhou FandomSpecificPlot of its time, adhering closely to the canon of Gensokyo and tearing apart orientalist [[MarySue Gappy Stu]] fanfiction to the point it essentially [[GenreKiller wiped them off the map.]] Well, that was how it was treated in the early 2010’s. When canon works like Manga/TouhouSuzunaanForbiddenScrollery began to lean into (reasonably) darker interpretations of Gensokyo and VideoGame/TouhouShinpirokuUrbanLegendInLimbo essentially played out ZUN’s version of a Gappy plot, Diamond In the Rough just wasn’t as unique as it once was. Combined with the evolving tone of the series and [[FandomLifecycle changes in the fan creator culture of the western Touhou fandom itself]], to the point where Walfas isn’t even updated anymore, you see things like the above HypeBacklash as emerged in the early 2020’s. Not helping is the fact that tropes like [[spoiler:RapeAsDrama]] became played ''very'' differently in later years of the 2010’s, and the shockingly horrific conclusion sequence of Diamond in the Rough contrasts with the much more subtle [[GothicHorror GothicHorror-esque]] darker [[GothicHorror Gothic Horror-esque]] dystopian readings of Gensokyo the mangas provide. See HilariousInHindsight.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: A DeconstructorFleet of the typical Western Touhou FandomSpecificPlot of its time, adhering closely to the canon of Gensokyo and tearing apart orientalist [[MarySue Gappy Stu]] fanfiction to the point it essentially [[GenreKiller wiped them off the map.]] Well, that was how it was treated in the early 2010’s. When canon works like Manga/TouhouSuzunaanForbiddenScrollery began to lean into (reasonably) darker interpretations of Gensokyo and VideoGame/TouhouShinpirokuUrbanLegendInLimbo essentially played out ZUN’s version of a Gappy plot, Diamond In the Rough just wasn’t as unique as it once was. Combined with the evolving tone of the series and [[FandomLifecycle changes in the fan creator culture of the western Touhou fandom itself]], to the point where Walfas isn’t even updated anymore, you see things like the above HypeBacklash as emerged in the early 2020’s. Not helping is the fact that tropes like [[spoiler:RapeAsDrama]] became played ''very'' differently in later years of the 2010’s, and the shockingly horrific conclusion sequence of Diamond in the Rough contrasts with the much more subtle [[GothicHorror GothicHorror-esque]] darker readings of Gensokyo the mangas provide. See HilariousInHindsight.
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* AssPull: [[spoiler:Brolli getting [[EasilyForgiven forgiven by Eiki merely because he said he was sorry for what he did and wanted another chance]], and Komachi claiming "You were different!" when he '''[[InformedAbility really wasn't.]]''' Brolli didn't do that much heorics and spent most of the climax freaking out that he was going to die. Not to mention that he did as MUCH damage as everyone else. It kind of undermines the whole point the story was trying to make.]]
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* AssPull: [[spoiler:Brolli getting [[EasilyForgiven forgiven by Eiki merely because he said he was sorry for what he did and wanted another chance]], and Komachi claiming "You were different!" when he '''[[InformedAbility really wasn't.]]''' Brolli didn't do that much heorics a lot of heroism and spent most of the climax freaking out that he was going to die. Not to mention that because he did as MUCH damage as everyone else. It kind of else, it partially undermines the whole point the story was trying to make.]]
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** The depiction of Yukari creates a lot of conflict, because when she reveals that [[spoiler:her plan to guarantee the Gensokyan paradise is to create a ForeverWar between humans and youkai]], some people declared her to [[MoralEventHorizon be morally bankrupted]], even considering BlueAndOrangeMorality. [[WordOfGod Though it's explained that]] [[IntendedAudienceReaction she's portrayed purposefully this way, in order to make a contrast with the way she's portrayed in gappy fics]], [[TakeThatAudience basically as a Female Japanese Blonde Santa Claus]], and following her actual canon portrayal of a mischievous {{youkai}}.
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** The depiction of Yukari creates a lot of conflict, because when she reveals that [[spoiler:her plan to guarantee the Gensokyan paradise is to create a ForeverWar between humans and youkai]], some people declared her to [[MoralEventHorizon be morally bankrupted]], even considering BlueAndOrangeMorality. [[WordOfGod Though it's explained that]] [[IntendedAudienceReaction she's portrayed purposefully this way, in order to make a contrast with the way she's portrayed in gappy fics]], [[TakeThatAudience basically as a Female Japanese Blonde Santa Claus]], and following her actual canon portrayal of a mischievous manipulative and ruthless {{youkai}}.
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** [[NightmareRetardant However]], after numerous complaints from people taking the events too seriously, [[WordOfGod Spaztique DID eventually come out and say]] [[ArmedWithCanon that ''Diamond in the Rough'' is not, and will NEVER be canon]].
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** [[NightmareRetardant However]], after numerous complaints from people taking the events too seriously, [[WordOfGod Spaztique DID eventually come out and say]] [[ArmedWithCanon [[CaptainObvious that ''Diamond in the Rough'' is not, and will NEVER be canon]].
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** [[TakeThatAudience Some fans who did understand Diamond In The Rough have adamantly attacked any sort of outsider main character as being a Marty Stu]], [[WordOfGod even though Spaztique has said multiple times that a Gappy is not necessarily a Stu, and a Stu doesn't have to be a Gappy]].
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** [[TakeThatAudience Some fans who did understand Diamond In The Rough have adamantly attacked any sort of outsider main character as being a Marty Stu]], Stu, [[WordOfGod even though Spaztique has said multiple times that a Gappy is not necessarily a Stu, and a Stu doesn't have to be a Gappy]].Gappy]].
* Most people have believed that this story is how Spaz views Gensokyo. As he detailed on the abrdiged version of Wrath of the Amanojaku, this is NOT true at all.
* Most people have believed that this story is how Spaz views Gensokyo. As he detailed on the abrdiged version of Wrath of the Amanojaku, this is NOT true at all.
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** When Vic and Tenshi cry, they use ''the raindrop prop''. It's just plain [SpecialEffectsFailure]] due to how silly it looks.
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** When Vic and Tenshi Sometimes, when the characters cry, they use ''the raindrop prop''.sweatdrop object''. It's just plain [SpecialEffectsFailure]] due to how silly it looks.
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** Yukari's [[SlasherSmile evil grin]] in the Nightmare Fuel's page image looks rather silly. It's taking up her whole face!
** When Vic and Tenshi cry, they use ''the raindrop prop''. It kind of ruins the somber mood it happens in.
** When Vic and Tenshi cry, they use ''the raindrop prop''. It kind of ruins the somber mood it happens in.
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** Yukari's [[SlasherSmile evil grin]] in the Nightmare Fuel's page image looks rather silly.whenever she appears to gap somebody away. It's taking up her whole face!
** When Vic and Tenshi cry, they use ''the raindrop prop''.It kind of ruins the somber mood It's just plain [SpecialEffectsFailure]] due to how silly it happens in.looks.
** When Vic and Tenshi cry, they use ''the raindrop prop''.
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** The narrative reliess on TakeThatAudience too much, which can make most of the story [[AuthorTract sound kind of pretentious.]]
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** The narrative reliess relies on TakeThatAudience too much, which can make most of the story [[AuthorTract sound kind of pretentious.]]
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* AssPull: [[Brolli getting [[EasilyForgiven forgiven by Eiki merely because he said he was sorry for what he did and wanted another chance]], and Komachi claiming "You were different!" when he [[InformedAbility'''really wasn't.''']] Brolli didn't do that much heorics and spent most of the climax freaking out that he was going to die. Not to mention that he did as MUCH damage as everyone else. It kind of undermines the whole point the story was trying to make.]]
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* AssPull: [[Brolli [[spoiler:Brolli getting [[EasilyForgiven forgiven by Eiki merely because he said he was sorry for what he did and wanted another chance]], and Komachi claiming "You were different!" when he [[InformedAbility'''really '''[[InformedAbility really wasn't.''']] ]]''' Brolli didn't do that much heorics and spent most of the climax freaking out that he was going to die. Not to mention that he did as MUCH damage as everyone else. It kind of undermines the whole point the story was trying to make.]]
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*AssPull: [[Brolli getting [[EasilyForgiven forgiven by Eiki merely because he said he was sorry for what he did and wanted another chance]], and Komachi claiming "You were different!" when he [[InformedAbility'''really wasn't.''']] Brolli didn't do that much heorics and spent most of the climax freaking out that he was going to die. Not to mention that he did as MUCH damage as everyone else. It kind of undermines the whole point the story was trying to make.]]
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* ItWasHisSled: Even before the completion of the series. [[spoiler:GENSOKYO LOCAL BEEF IS PEOPLE! Specifically all the other gappies.]] And this is used to point out the [[FridgeHorror Fridge Horror]] [[RealityEnsues what happens]] [[TakeThatAudience when people try to use Gensokyo as a personal playground]].
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* ItWasHisSled: Even before the completion of the series. [[spoiler:GENSOKYO LOCAL BEEF IS PEOPLE! Specifically all the other gappies.]] And this is used to point out the [[FridgeHorror Fridge Horror]] [[RealityEnsues what happens]] [[TakeThatAudience [[YouBastard when people try to use Gensokyo as a personal playground]].
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* NauseaFuel: The ''real'' reason why Yukari gaps children into Gensokyo... [[spoiler:[[TakeThatAudience Shishkebab, anyone?]]]]
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*{{Narm}}: It mostly suffers under this, mainly due to being made with a rather limited VirtualPaperDoll engine.
**Most of the expressions during moments that are meant to be serious look comedic. Take Episode 10 for example, when Brolli kills Kaguya. She looks more surprised than gasping for life. Episode 13 also has the Brolli and the SDM residents look so ''shocked'' that it just looks borderline hilarious.
**Yukari's [[SlasherSmile evil grin]] in the Nightmare Fuel's page image looks rather silly. It's taking up her whole face!
**When Vic and Tenshi cry, they use ''the raindrop prop''. It kind of ruins the somber mood it happens in.
**[[spoiler: Brolli's [[SuddenlyVoiced scream]] in Episode 19. While it's meant to be TearJerker, it sounds like the poor guy stubbed his toe.]]
** [[spoiler:The reveal of the source [[ImaHumanitarian local Gensokyo beef]] is rather tryhard, too. Yukari's a '''youkai''', what were you expecting? That she's a vegitarian?]]
**The narrative reliess on TakeThatAudience too much, which can make most of the story [[AuthorTract sound kind of pretentious.]]
* NauseaFuel: The ''real'' reason why Yukari gaps children into Gensokyo...[[spoiler:[[TakeThatAudience Shishkebab, [[spoiler:[[ImAHumanitarian local Gensokyo Beef, anyone?]]]]
**Most of the expressions during moments that are meant to be serious look comedic. Take Episode 10 for example, when Brolli kills Kaguya. She looks more surprised than gasping for life. Episode 13 also has the Brolli and the SDM residents look so ''shocked'' that it just looks borderline hilarious.
**Yukari's [[SlasherSmile evil grin]] in the Nightmare Fuel's page image looks rather silly. It's taking up her whole face!
**When Vic and Tenshi cry, they use ''the raindrop prop''. It kind of ruins the somber mood it happens in.
**[[spoiler: Brolli's [[SuddenlyVoiced scream]] in Episode 19. While it's meant to be TearJerker, it sounds like the poor guy stubbed his toe.]]
** [[spoiler:The reveal of the source [[ImaHumanitarian local Gensokyo beef]] is rather tryhard, too. Yukari's a '''youkai''', what were you expecting? That she's a vegitarian?]]
**The narrative reliess on TakeThatAudience too much, which can make most of the story [[AuthorTract sound kind of pretentious.]]
* NauseaFuel: The ''real'' reason why Yukari gaps children into Gensokyo...
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* HypeBacklash: It may have been the best thing Walfas had to offer in the early 2010's, and a LOT of the community hyped it up as so- Even TVTropes is guilty of it! However, fast foward to 2020, most people would tell you it's not as good as others said it was. Doesn't help matters it was made to take a potshot at a writer who was '''[[WhatTheHellHero just starting out, under the guise of CRITICISM.]]''' Thankfully, [=ColonelDiamondback=] did take it with stride, but still...
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* HypeBacklash: It may have been the best thing Walfas had to offer in the early 2010's, and a LOT of the community hyped it up as so- Even TVTropes is guilty of it! However, fast foward to 2020, most people would tell you it's not as good as others said it was. Doesn't help matters it was made to take a potshot at a writer who was '''[[WhatTheHellHero just starting out, under the guise of CRITICISM.]]''' Thankfully, [=ColonelDiamondback=] did take it with stride, but still...
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* HypeBacklash: It may have been the best thing Walfas had to offer in the early 2010's, and a LOT of the community hyped it up as so- Even TVTropes is guilty of it! However, fast foward to 2020, most people would tell you it's not as good as others said it was. Doesn't help matters it was made to take a potshot at a writer who was '''[[WhatTheHellHero just starting out, under the guise of CRITICISM.]]''' Thankfully, ColonelDiamondback did take it with stride, but still...
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* HypeBacklash: It may have been the best thing Walfas had to offer in the early 2010's, and a LOT of the community hyped it up as so- Even TVTropes is guilty of it! However, fast foward to 2020, most people would tell you it's not as good as others said it was. Doesn't help matters it was made to take a potshot at a writer who was '''[[WhatTheHellHero just starting out, under the guise of CRITICISM.]]''' Thankfully, ColonelDiamondback [=ColonelDiamondback=] did take it with stride, but still...
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: One of the main causes of AngstAversion, it's the story of a boy who goes to a magical fantasy world in hopes of going on an adventure and becoming a hero, only to end up on a long downward spiral of loneliness, paranoia, betrayal, and death, and the audience is frequently reminded [[TheHeroDies Brolli will die]]. [[MisaimedFandom There's another portion of the audience who are fine with this, saying Brolli deserves to die for being shallow and ignorant]]. However, approaching the halfway point, we find out the characters are more than they appear to be and some of the events didn't really happen the way we thought, as well as bringing up some rather obscure Touhou facts [[AllThereInTheManual only found in the source books]], showing the audience [[TakeThatAudience they're no better]].
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: One of the main causes of AngstAversion, it's the story of a boy who goes to a magical fantasy world in hopes of going on an adventure and becoming a hero, only to end up on a long downward spiral of loneliness, paranoia, betrayal, and death, and the audience is frequently reminded [[TheHeroDies Brolli will die]]. [[MisaimedFandom [[BrokenBase There's another portion of the audience who are fine with this, saying Brolli deserves to die for being shallow and ignorant]]. However, approaching the halfway point, we find out the characters are more than they appear to be and some of the events didn't really happen the way we thought, as well as bringing up some rather obscure Touhou facts [[AllThereInTheManual only found in the source books]], showing the audience [[TakeThatAudience they're no better]].
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---> '''Calamity2007''': I don't get it Spaztique, how do you want us to feel about Brolli? Because you have mentioned before that people wanting to see him die is a reaction you're going for. I'm not complaining, I just find it strange that your giving him all these heartwarming moments if that was the reaction your going for.
---> '''Spaztique''': [[TrollingCreator Ambivalent. He's not wholly good, nor wholly bad. You're supposed to be torn between whether he should deserve his eventual fate or not.]] [[DramaticIrony Though, to say any more will spoil the ending...]]
---> '''Spaztique''': [[TrollingCreator Ambivalent. He's not wholly good, nor wholly bad. You're supposed to be torn between whether he should deserve his eventual fate or not.]] [[DramaticIrony Though, to say any more will spoil the ending...]]
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---> '''Calamity2007''': I don't get it getit Spaztique, how do you want us to feel about Brolli? Because you have mentioned before that people wanting to see him die is a reaction you're going for. I'm not complaining, I just find it strange that your giving him all these heartwarming moments if that was the reaction your going for.
---> '''Spaztique''':[[TrollingCreator Ambivalent. He's not wholly good, nor wholly bad. bad; You're supposed to be torn between whether he should deserve his eventual fate or not.]] not. [[DramaticIrony Though, to say any more will spoil the ending...]]
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** There have been a few calls that the plot is basically a giant downward spiral for a Gappy that leads to the destruction of Gensokyo with nothing to stop it. Though, by the end, [[spoiler:Brolli, Reimu, Aya, and Momiji are the last ones trying to save Gensokyo, Tenshi's efforts will prevent further destruction by Jack Diehard and future Gappies, and Vic sets out to stop more people from taking Yukari's offer.]] [[LampshadeHanging Reimu herself lampshades how horrible and pointless ''Diamond In The Rough'' turned out to be]], and [[WordOfGod Spaztique]] [[IntendedAudienceReaction states that this]] [[TakeThatAudience is the precisely the point]].
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** There have been a few calls that the plot is basically a giant downward spiral for a Gappy that leads to the destruction of Gensokyo with nothing to stop it. Though, by the end, [[spoiler:Brolli, Reimu, Aya, and Momiji are the last ones trying to save Gensokyo, Tenshi's efforts will prevent further destruction by Jack Diehard and future Gappies, and Vic sets out to stop more people from taking Yukari's offer.]] [[LampshadeHanging Reimu herself lampshades how horrible and pointless ''Diamond In The Rough'' turned out to be]], and [[WordOfGod Spaztique]] [[IntendedAudienceReaction states that this]] [[TakeThatAudience this is the precisely the point]].
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*HypeBacklash: It may have been the best thing Walfas had to offer in the early 2010's, and a LOT of the community hyped it up as so- Even TVTropes is guilty of it! However, fast foward to 2020, most people would tell you it's not as good as others said it was. Doesn't help matters it was made to take a potshot at a writer who was '''[[WhatTheHellHero just starting out, under the guise of CRITICISM.]]''' Thankfully, ColonelDiamondback did take it with stride, but still...
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* HolyShitQuotient: According to the Ustream audience, [[GutPunch the incident]] scores extremely high, featuring massive danmaku battles, [[spoiler:virtually every alliance in Gensokyo falling apart as things constantly go FromBadToWorse]], [[spoiler:the [[AnyoneCanDie entire cast getting picked off]] [[KillEmAll one-by-one]]]], and dozens of [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome Awesome Moments]] and {{Call Back}}s.
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* ShockingMoments: According to the Ustream audience, [[GutPunch the incident]] scores extremely high, featuring massive danmaku battles, [[spoiler:virtually every alliance in Gensokyo falling apart as things constantly go FromBadToWorse]], [[spoiler:the [[AnyoneCanDie entire cast getting picked off]] [[KillEmAll one-by-one]]]], and dozens of [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome Awesome Moments]] and {{Call Back}}s.
