History YMMV / DeadOrAlive

25th Jan '18 2:04:56 PM Kervinle2500
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** ''Venus Vacation'''s gacha system and its RNG divided the fans when using stones in attempt to unlock an SSR bathing suit for the girl of your choice. Due to the nature of gacha, you'll have ''extremely'' low chance of unlocking an SSR outfit ''or'' a girl you want to unlock. This includes Luna, who has a ''rare'' chance of showing up if you paid real money to buy stones to unlock her.


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** Luna gained this status after her debut in ''Venus Vacation''. Her weird personality while speaking in monotone and her rather hilarious interactions with Ayane made her one of the two popular girls in ''Venus Vacation''.
18th Jan '18 7:39:22 PM SpaceKABOOM
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18th Jan '18 7:37:58 PM SpaceKABOOM
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*** Subverted with ''Xtreme 3'', due to the crackdown on fanservice in gaming; as well as [[NoExportForYou the game getting stuck in Asia.]]






** A Facebook account associated with Tecmo-Koei, while confirming the company's previous statement that ''Xtreme 3'' [[NoExportForYou would not receive an official Western release]], insinuated that one concern might be [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad that the game's sexualization of the female fighters might not go over well in the West]].[[note]]Exact quote in its entirety: “Do you know many issues happening in video game industry with regard to how to treat female in video game industry? We do not want to talk those things here. But certainly we have gone through in last year or two to come to our decision. Thank you” [all sic][[/note]]. Long story short: Backlash ensued, and as might be expected this caused a bit of a FlameWar that is best left unmentioned here. they would be importing Asian-market English-language versions of ''Xtreme 3''

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** A Facebook account associated with Tecmo-Koei, while confirming the company's previous statement that ''Xtreme 3'' [[NoExportForYou would not receive an official Western release]], insinuated that one concern might be [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad that the game's sexualization of the female fighters might not go over well in the West]].West.[[note]]Exact quote in its entirety: “Do you know many issues happening in video game industry with regard to how to treat female in video game industry? We do not want to talk those things here. But certainly we have gone through in last year or two to come to our decision. Thank you” [all sic][[/note]]. Long story short: Backlash ensued, and as might be expected this caused unleashing a bit of a FlameWar that is [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment best left unmentioned here. they would be unmentioned]]. Those who wanted to play it, though, ended up importing Asian-market English-language versions of ''Xtreme 3'' from Asian-market.



* NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity: After Play-Asia announced that they would be selling the localized-to-English non-Japanese Asian version of ''[=DOAX3=]'' (since Tecmo-Koei will not be doing an official Western release), a short-lived Tumblr account called for a boycott of the store. The Play-Asia Twitter account made some [[TakeThat pointed comments]] about the situation and promptly gained several thousand new followers.

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* NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity: After Since Tecmo-Koei announced ''[=DOAX3=]'' will not get an official Western release much to various controversy, Play-Asia announced that they would be selling the localized-to-English non-Japanese Asian version of ''[=DOAX3=]'' (since Tecmo-Koei will not be doing an official Western release), a short-lived Tumblr account called for a boycott of the store. The Play-Asia Twitter account made some [[TakeThat pointed comments]] about the situation version, and ended up promptly gained gaining several thousand new followers.
18th Jan '18 7:23:57 PM SpaceKABOOM
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** A Facebook account associated with Tecmo-Koei, while confirming the company's previous statement that ''Xtreme 3'' [[NoExportForYou would not receive an official Western release]], insinuated that one concern might be [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad that the game's sexualization of the female fighters might not go over well in the West]].[[note]]Exact quote in its entirety: “Do you know many issues happening in video game industry with regard to how to treat female in video game industry? We do not want to talk those things here. But certainly we have gone through in last year or two to come to our decision. Thank you” [all sic][[/note]]. Backlash ensued, not so much at the company itself, but at the supposed "PC Police" who were accused of suppressing the game's release by this quasi-official source. Shortly after this, Play-Asia announced that they would be importing Asian-market English-language versions of ''Xtreme 3'' through their site and made remarks on their Twitter about "#SJW nonsense". As might be expected this caused a bit of a FlameWar, with at least one Tumblr page springing up (since removed) calling for a boycott of Play-Asia. [[https://www.polygon.com/2015/12/1/9827456/koei-tecmo-dead-or-alive-xtreme-3-controversy-team-ninja The fact that Tecmo-Koei has distanced itself from the comment on its Facebook account has not slowed down the controversy.]] [[AttackBackfire The proposed boycott appears to have been a non-starter, considering Play Asia's follower count rose from 9000 to 19000 shortly after these events]].

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** A Facebook account associated with Tecmo-Koei, while confirming the company's previous statement that ''Xtreme 3'' [[NoExportForYou would not receive an official Western release]], insinuated that one concern might be [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad that the game's sexualization of the female fighters might not go over well in the West]].[[note]]Exact quote in its entirety: “Do you know many issues happening in video game industry with regard to how to treat female in video game industry? We do not want to talk those things here. But certainly we have gone through in last year or two to come to our decision. Thank you” [all sic][[/note]]. Long story short: Backlash ensued, not so much at the company itself, but at the supposed "PC Police" who were accused of suppressing the game's release by and as might be expected this quasi-official source. Shortly after this, Play-Asia announced caused a bit of a FlameWar that is best left unmentioned here. they would be importing Asian-market English-language versions of ''Xtreme 3'' through their site and made remarks on their Twitter about "#SJW nonsense". As might be expected this caused a bit of a FlameWar, with at least one Tumblr page springing up (since removed) calling for a boycott of Play-Asia. [[https://www.polygon.com/2015/12/1/9827456/koei-tecmo-dead-or-alive-xtreme-3-controversy-team-ninja The fact that Tecmo-Koei has distanced itself from the comment on its Facebook account has not slowed down the controversy.]] [[AttackBackfire The proposed boycott appears to have been a non-starter, considering Play Asia's follower count rose from 9000 to 19000 shortly after these events]].
18th Dec '17 2:45:22 PM Kervinle2500
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* GameBreakingBug: ''Venus Vacation'' on PC will crash on you constantly, gives your girl in training a ridiculous training time (880 minutes, or 14 hours). This is irritating if you're planning to redo some matches. The only way to fix this is to set your computer's locale to Japan's, as it is a Japanese game.
16th Nov '17 12:26:10 PM Kervinle2500
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** Anyone who has heard of ''Dead or Alive: Xtreme Venus Vacation'' took a strong liking to the new character Misaki, to the point someone made an actual mod of her. This leads to demands for bringing her in the next installment should Team Ninja puts her in future games.
17th Jul '17 2:35:37 PM SamMax
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** Hitomi is also popular with the fanbase since her debut in ''[=DOA3=]''. Even series creator and former director [[WordOfGod Tomonobu Itagaki]] [[CreatorsFavorite likes her]].

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** Hitomi is also popular with the fanbase since her debut in ''[=DOA3=]''. Even series creator and former director [[WordOfGod Tomonobu Itagaki]] [[CreatorsFavorite likes her]]. She was even allowed to appear in the UpdatedRerelease of ''[=DOA2=]'' for the UsefulNotes/{{Xbox}}, albiet without her own story mode.
5th Jul '17 8:24:27 PM Angeldeb82
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation:
** Christie, a PsychoLesbian for Helena or a BadAssGay who fell InLoveWithTheMark? Or is she more AmbiguouslyBi who is willing to go after AnythingThatMoves? (That and there is the occasional scene where she acts seductive toward Eliot namely whether if she only does it just to fluster the boy or if she really is quite the cougar.)

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** Christie, a PsychoLesbian for Helena or a BadAssGay BadassGay who fell InLoveWithTheMark? Or is she more AmbiguouslyBi who is willing to go after AnythingThatMoves? (That and there is the occasional scene where she acts seductive toward Eliot namely whether if she only does it just to fluster the boy or if she really is quite the cougar.)



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** Similarly, La Mariposa/Lisa also gets quite a bit of hate for her personality and fighting style. Also, how Lisa was originally introduced as Tina Armstrong's gal pal/HeterosexualLifePartner in the original Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball. However Lisa became an AscendedExtra in the Main Series by suddenly becoming a prominent scientist with DOATEC who played a fairly big role in the storyline. Some are glad about this development as Tecmo is taking the story a bit more seriously while others complain that it has caused retcons and other odd continuity issues in the story. So in other words some like the idea of Lisa becoming a more prominent character as a DOATEC scientist while others wished that she stayed as Tina's close friend instead. (That and on how after 4 Lisa's relationship with Tina has been substantially downplayed as while Lisa gets a bigger role in the storyline Tina's role is a lot smaller.)

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** Similarly, La Mariposa/Lisa also gets quite a bit of hate for her personality and fighting style. Also, how Lisa was originally introduced as Tina Armstrong's gal pal/HeterosexualLifePartner pal/[[HeterosexualLifePartners Heterosexual Life-Partner]] in the original Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball. However Lisa became an AscendedExtra in the Main Series by suddenly becoming a prominent scientist with DOATEC who played a fairly big role in the storyline. Some are glad about this development as Tecmo is taking the story a bit more seriously while others complain that it has caused retcons and other odd continuity issues in the story. So in other words some like the idea of Lisa becoming a more prominent character as a DOATEC scientist while others wished that she stayed as Tina's close friend instead. (That and on how after 4 Lisa's relationship with Tina has been substantially downplayed as while Lisa gets a bigger role in the storyline Tina's role is a lot smaller.)



*** However there are also plenty of folks who state that the series is so tongue-in-cheek about its fanservice, it's not as harmful as the detractors claim, if at all. They also argue it's really not that much worse than just about any other series like StreetFighter, VideoGame/FatalFury and VideoGame/SoulSeries and the like. In fact some even argue that the series is actually a bit too tame to be M-Rated as the M-rated DeadOrAlive games are barely anymore explicit than the earlier T-Rated games. So in other words it does raise the question on whether if Tecmo can actually play up the Fanservice more and still maintain an M Rating or would it be for the best if they did not.

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*** However there are also plenty of folks who state that the series is so tongue-in-cheek about its fanservice, it's not as harmful as the detractors claim, if at all. They also argue it's really not that much worse than just about any other series like StreetFighter, Franchise/StreetFighter, VideoGame/FatalFury and VideoGame/SoulSeries and the like. In fact some even argue that the series is actually a bit too tame to be M-Rated as the M-rated DeadOrAlive games are barely anymore explicit than the earlier T-Rated games. So in other words it does raise the question on whether if Tecmo can actually play up the Fanservice more and still maintain an M Rating or would it be for the best if they did not.



*** Detractors, who tend to be [[StopHavingFunGuys elitist competitive players]], believe this system is the real reason why the series never got the same amount of respect as ''StreetFighter'' or ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}}'' (after all, when you get down to it, FanService is very high in practically every single popular FightingGame franchise). They think it kills off any sort of offense in the game since everything can be countered. Worst case scenario, they say it completely breaks the gameplay, and makes it shallow and cheap. Defenders, on the other hand, consider it way deeper than its detractors give it credit for, in a "easy to learn, hard to master" way. Plus, it gives the combat an unique fast pace and sense of unpredictability that no other fighting franchise has. Specially since, in practice, countering everything is next to impossible. You ''really'' need to study your opponent's moves in order to counter more than a couple of them per round, so if you lose due to receiving too many counters, either your rival earned it, or you deserve it for using the same moves again and again.

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*** Detractors, who tend to be [[StopHavingFunGuys elitist competitive players]], believe this system is the real reason why the series never got the same amount of respect as ''StreetFighter'' ''Franchise/StreetFighter'' or ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}}'' (after all, when you get down to it, FanService is very high in practically every single popular FightingGame franchise). They think it kills off any sort of offense in the game since everything can be countered. Worst case scenario, they say it completely breaks the gameplay, and makes it shallow and cheap. Defenders, on the other hand, consider it way deeper than its detractors give it credit for, in a "easy to learn, hard to master" way. Plus, it gives the combat an unique fast pace and sense of unpredictability that no other fighting franchise has. Specially since, in practice, countering everything is next to impossible. You ''really'' need to study your opponent's moves in order to counter more than a couple of them per round, so if you lose due to receiving too many counters, either your rival earned it, or you deserve it for using the same moves again and again.



** More recently, the ''[=DOA5=]'' tournament scene has moved to have the more FanService-y costumes banned from tournament play, which has divided the base in a few ways. Supporters say that it's an effort to avert DistractedByTheSexy, while detractors call it a petulant and ham-fisted attempt to win respect from the larger FGC. Not helping matters is the fact that the costume choices seem inconsistent: [[http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/deadoralive/images/5/5c/DOA5LR_costume_Ninja_Clain_VOL1_Hitomi.jpg This costume]] is banned for being "too distracting", while [[http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/deadoralive/images/4/45/DOA5LR_Leifang_C11.jpg this one]] is still considered tournament legal.

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** More recently, the ''[=DOA5=]'' tournament scene has moved to have the more FanService-y {{Fanservice}}-y costumes banned from tournament play, which has divided the base in a few ways. Supporters say that it's an effort to avert DistractedByTheSexy, while detractors call it a petulant and ham-fisted attempt to win respect from the larger FGC. Not helping matters is the fact that the costume choices seem inconsistent: [[http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/deadoralive/images/5/5c/DOA5LR_costume_Ninja_Clain_VOL1_Hitomi.jpg This costume]] is banned for being "too distracting", while [[http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/deadoralive/images/4/45/DOA5LR_Leifang_C11.jpg this one]] is still considered tournament legal.



** ''Xtreme 2''. While it offered more to do than the first game (jet skiing, butt bumping, flag races, and water slides were added), the framerates inexplicably dropped despite being on a more powerful console, the loading times were longer, and despite the new stuff, it had a bad case of ItsTheSameSoItSucks. Plus, the unrealistic JigglePhysics were derided by some.

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** ''Xtreme 2''. While it offered more to do than the first game (jet skiing, butt bumping, flag races, and water slides were added), the framerates inexplicably dropped despite being on a more powerful console, the loading times were longer, and despite the new stuff, it had a bad case of ItsTheSameSoItSucks.ItsTheSameNowItSucks. Plus, the unrealistic JigglePhysics were derided by some.



* CrackIsCheaper: As mentioned below in InternetBackdraft,buying all the costumes for ''[=DOA=] 5'' will cost you more than a brand new UsefulNotes/XBoxOne or PS4.

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* CrackIsCheaper: As mentioned below in InternetBackdraft,buying all the costumes for ''[=DOA=] 5'' will cost you more than a brand new UsefulNotes/XBoxOne UsefulNotes/XboxOne or PS4.



** The DLC costumes for [=DOA5=]. By the time ''Last Round'' came out, there were so many of them you could buy a brand new UsefulNotes/PlayStation4 or UsefulNotes/XBoxOne with the money necessary for buying all the bikinis and skimpy outfits (some like the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iix6bBZUgaA Halloween 2014]] outfits, which has many costumes that are actually recycled designs). [[UpToEleven And things have only gotten worse since then]]: ''Last Round'' is on it's ''fourth season pass'' already, costing a whopping $92.99. ''Each''. And there's no sign that Tecmo is planning to stop any time soon. Fans aren't exactly fond of this development.

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** The DLC costumes for [=DOA5=]. By the time ''Last Round'' came out, there were so many of them you could buy a brand new UsefulNotes/PlayStation4 or UsefulNotes/XBoxOne UsefulNotes/XboxOne with the money necessary for buying all the bikinis and skimpy outfits (some like the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iix6bBZUgaA Halloween 2014]] outfits, which has many costumes that are actually recycled designs). [[UpToEleven And things have only gotten worse since then]]: ''Last Round'' is on it's ''fourth season pass'' already, costing a whopping $92.99. ''Each''. And there's no sign that Tecmo is planning to stop any time soon. Fans aren't exactly fond of this development.



** A Facebook account associated with Tecmo-Koei, while confirming the company's previous statement that ''Xtreme 3'' [[NoExportForYou would not receive an official Western release]], insinuated that one concern might be [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad that the game's sexualization of the female fighters might not go over well in the West]].[[note]]Exact quote in its entirety: “Do you know many issues happening in video game industry with regard to how to treat female in video game industry? We do not want to talk those things here. But certainly we have gone through in last year or two to come to our decision. Thank you” [all sic][[/note]]. Backlash ensued, not so much at the company itself, but at the supposed "PC Police" who were accused of suppressing the game's release by this quasi-official source. Shortly after this, Play-Asia announced that they would be importing Asian-market English-language versions of ''Xtreme 3'' through their site and made remarks on their Twitter about "#SJW nonsense". As might be expected this caused a bit of a FlameWar, with at least one Tumblr page springing up (since removed) calling for a boycott of Play-Asia. [[http://www.polygon.com/2015/12/1/9827456/koei-tecmo-dead-or-alive-xtreme-3-controversy-team-ninja The fact that Tecmo-Koei has distanced itself from the comment on its Facebook account has not slowed down the controversy.]] [[AttackBackfire The proposed boycott appears to have been a non-starter, considering Play Asia's follower count rose from 9000 to 19000 shortly after these events]].

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** A Facebook account associated with Tecmo-Koei, while confirming the company's previous statement that ''Xtreme 3'' [[NoExportForYou would not receive an official Western release]], insinuated that one concern might be [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad that the game's sexualization of the female fighters might not go over well in the West]].[[note]]Exact quote in its entirety: “Do you know many issues happening in video game industry with regard to how to treat female in video game industry? We do not want to talk those things here. But certainly we have gone through in last year or two to come to our decision. Thank you” [all sic][[/note]]. Backlash ensued, not so much at the company itself, but at the supposed "PC Police" who were accused of suppressing the game's release by this quasi-official source. Shortly after this, Play-Asia announced that they would be importing Asian-market English-language versions of ''Xtreme 3'' through their site and made remarks on their Twitter about "#SJW nonsense". As might be expected this caused a bit of a FlameWar, with at least one Tumblr page springing up (since removed) calling for a boycott of Play-Asia. [[http://www.[[https://www.polygon.com/2015/12/1/9827456/koei-tecmo-dead-or-alive-xtreme-3-controversy-team-ninja The fact that Tecmo-Koei has distanced itself from the comment on its Facebook account has not slowed down the controversy.]] [[AttackBackfire The proposed boycott appears to have been a non-starter, considering Play Asia's follower count rose from 9000 to 19000 shortly after these events]].



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* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Really Tecmo, you expect us to believe that [[spoiler: Hayate and Ayane really killed Kasumi?]] They must really need to [[spoiler:make use of the clone, somehow...]]

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* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Really Tecmo, you expect us to believe that [[spoiler: Hayate and Ayane really killed Kasumi?]] Kasumi]]? They must really need to [[spoiler:make use of the clone, somehow...]]somehow]]...



* PolishedPort: The UsefulNotes/PlaystationVita port of ''[=DOA5=]''. It actually got better reviews than the console versions because it was able to run at a steady 60fps while maintaining good visuals within the handheld's limited hardware. This has been compared to other (ported) fighting games like ''MortalKombat''.

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* PolishedPort: The UsefulNotes/PlaystationVita port of ''[=DOA5=]''. It actually got better reviews than the console versions because it was able to run at a steady 60fps while maintaining good visuals within the handheld's limited hardware. This has been compared to other (ported) fighting games like ''MortalKombat''.''Franchise/MortalKombat''.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: For a time Kasumi's backstory of being a runaway Ninja who left her village to seek revenge for her then-crippled brother Hayate and is hunted by the people of her village has been considered to be this. While this subplot was played up in ''2'', it became a fairly minor detail in ''3'' and the ''Dead or Alive Xtreme'' subseries kind of ruined the credibility of the subplot and made it rather pointless. (You know for someone who is supposed to be on the run 24/7, Kasumi is awfully willing to be out in public.) There were even accusations that Tecmo doesn't really know what to do with the ''DeadOrAlive'' story anymore and is not taking it seriously enough. But fortunately this subplot does get played up a bit more in ''Dimensions'' and ''5'' in which ''5'' even implies that there will even be some resolution in Kasumi's situation with her home village after all.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: For a time Kasumi's backstory of being a runaway Ninja who left her village to seek revenge for her then-crippled brother Hayate and is hunted by the people of her village has been considered to be this. While this subplot was played up in ''2'', it became a fairly minor detail in ''3'' and the ''Dead or Alive Xtreme'' subseries kind of ruined the credibility of the subplot and made it rather pointless. (You know for someone who is supposed to be on the run 24/7, Kasumi is awfully willing to be out in public.) There were even accusations that Tecmo doesn't really know what to do with the ''DeadOrAlive'' ''VideoGame/DeadOrAlive'' story anymore and is not taking it seriously enough. But fortunately this subplot does get played up a bit more in ''Dimensions'' and ''5'' in which ''5'' even implies that there will even be some resolution in Kasumi's situation with her home village after all.
22nd Jun '17 12:52:11 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* CluelessAesop: Lei-Fang's ending in 4 has her being on a train in which her breasts were groped by a middle aged man, causing her to angrily kick him off the train into the river as the crowd cheers her for that while she tries to cover up. Plenty have deemed it to be a tasteless case of AccidentalPervert (which can be seen as murder if you're willing to ignore the old SoftWater rule, and even taking that into account merely leaving him stranded in the middle of nowhere and possibly injured with a broken phone would ''still'' make it DisproportionateRetribution), and while some deem it to be lightly amusing and harmless there are those find it to be highly offensive. But one could easily see that ending as a well-intentioned though over the top TakeThat towards perverted men who feel up women in Japanese Subways. Even so people probably would've cringed a lot less if Lei Fang's DOA 4 ending wasn't such a blatant case of AccidentalPervert (it's obvious from the look on his face and his body language that the poor guy was trying to avoid smacking into her).
* ComplacentGamingSyndrome: Expect to fight a lot of Hayabusas online, thanks in part to the popularity of the ''VideoGame/NinjaGaiden'' series.
11th Jun '17 4:30:28 PM nombretomado
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* CrackIsCheaper: As mentioned below in InternetBackdraft,buying all the costumes for ''[=DOA=] 5'' will cost you more than a brand new XBoxOne or PS4.

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* CrackIsCheaper: As mentioned below in InternetBackdraft,buying all the costumes for ''[=DOA=] 5'' will cost you more than a brand new XBoxOne UsefulNotes/XBoxOne or PS4.
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