History YMMV / DeadOrAlive

11th Jul '16 9:42:29 PM Zzyzzyxx
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*** Another quote of hers that qualifies is "''Gomen nasai! Tatemasu ka?''". It can be translated as "I'm so sorry! Can you stand up?" as well as "I'm so sorry! Are you having an erection?"
11th Jun '16 8:30:47 PM HighCrate
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*** Detractors, who tend to be [[StopHavingFunGuys elitist competitive players]], believe this system is the real reason why the series never got the same amount of respect as ''StreetFighter'' or ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}}'' (after all, when you get down to it, FanService is very high in practically every single popular FightingGame franchise). They think it kills off any sort of offense in the game since everything can be countered. Worst case scenario, they say it completely breaks the gameplay, and makes it shallow and cheap. Defenders, on the other hand, consider it way deeper than its detractors give it credit for, in a "easy to learn, hard to master" way. Plus, it gives the combat an unique fast pace and sense of unpredictability that no other fighting franchise has. Specially since, in practice, countering everything is next to impossible. You ''really'' need to study your opponent's moves in order to counter more than a couple of them per round, so if you loose due to receiving too many counters, either your rival earned it, or you deserve it for using the same moves again and again.

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*** Detractors, who tend to be [[StopHavingFunGuys elitist competitive players]], believe this system is the real reason why the series never got the same amount of respect as ''StreetFighter'' or ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}}'' (after all, when you get down to it, FanService is very high in practically every single popular FightingGame franchise). They think it kills off any sort of offense in the game since everything can be countered. Worst case scenario, they say it completely breaks the gameplay, and makes it shallow and cheap. Defenders, on the other hand, consider it way deeper than its detractors give it credit for, in a "easy to learn, hard to master" way. Plus, it gives the combat an unique fast pace and sense of unpredictability that no other fighting franchise has. Specially since, in practice, countering everything is next to impossible. You ''really'' need to study your opponent's moves in order to counter more than a couple of them per round, so if you loose lose due to receiving too many counters, either your rival earned it, or you deserve it for using the same moves again and again.
11th Jun '16 7:59:17 PM nombretomado
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*** Detractors, who tend to be [[StopHavingFunGuys elitist competitive players]], believe this system is the real reason why the series never got the same amount of respect as ''StreetFighter'' or ''{{Tekken}}'' (after all, when you get down to it, FanService is very high in practically every single popular FightingGame franchise). They think it kills off any sort of offense in the game since everything can be countered. Worst case scenario, they say it completely breaks the gameplay, and makes it shallow and cheap. Defenders, on the other hand, consider it way deeper than its detractors give it credit for, in a "easy to learn, hard to master" way. Plus, it gives the combat an unique fast pace and sense of unpredictability that no other fighting franchise has. Specially since, in practice, countering everything is next to impossible. You ''really'' need to study your opponent's moves in order to counter more than a couple of them per round, so if you loose due to receiving too many counters, either your rival earned it, or you deserve it for using the same moves again and again.

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*** Detractors, who tend to be [[StopHavingFunGuys elitist competitive players]], believe this system is the real reason why the series never got the same amount of respect as ''StreetFighter'' or ''{{Tekken}}'' ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}}'' (after all, when you get down to it, FanService is very high in practically every single popular FightingGame franchise). They think it kills off any sort of offense in the game since everything can be countered. Worst case scenario, they say it completely breaks the gameplay, and makes it shallow and cheap. Defenders, on the other hand, consider it way deeper than its detractors give it credit for, in a "easy to learn, hard to master" way. Plus, it gives the combat an unique fast pace and sense of unpredictability that no other fighting franchise has. Specially since, in practice, countering everything is next to impossible. You ''really'' need to study your opponent's moves in order to counter more than a couple of them per round, so if you loose due to receiving too many counters, either your rival earned it, or you deserve it for using the same moves again and again.



** The franchise itself is this towards the ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}} series''. Itagaki's contempt towards Harada's games is where the whole fan rivalry started.

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** The franchise itself is this towards the ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}} series''.''VideoGame/{{Tekken}}'' series. Itagaki's contempt towards Harada's games is where the whole fan rivalry started.
9th Jun '16 8:42:38 AM XanderVJ
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** The {{Fanservice}}, which this series is infamous for. In quite a lot of levels.
*** There's plenty of people who call the series one of the most notorious cases of BestKnownForTheFanservice ever and has occasionally, but consistently been accused of sexism. The franchise in general, and the ''Xtreme'' spin-offs in particular, are among the most common examples used by media critics and commentators whenever the issue of sexism and/or sexual objectification of women in video games is brought up. Many fans are ''very'' frustrated by this, since because of that saying "I play ''Dead or Alive'' for the gameplay'' is pretty much the video game IReadItForTheArticles. Even though it's mostly agreed that it's a great fighting series on its own merits. The fact that Team Ninja toned down the fanservice for [=DOA5=] just to tune it back up after alleging fan request didn't help.
*** However there are also plenty of folks who state that the series is so tongue-in-cheek about its fanservice, it's not as harmful as the detractors claim, if at all. They also argue it's really not that much worse than just about any other series like StreetFighter, VideoGame/FatalFury and VideoGame/SoulSeries and the like. In fact some even argue that the series is actually a bit too tame to be M-Rated as the M-rated DeadOrAlive games are barely anymore explicit than the earlier T-Rated games. So in other words it does raise the question on whether if Tecmo can actually play up the Fanservice more and still maintain an M Rating or would it be for the best if they did not.



** Though the Fanservice itself is a known divisive issue regarding the series, there have been plenty who call the series one of the most notorious cases of BestKnownForTheFanservice ever and has even occasionally been accused of Sexism. However there are also plenty of folks who state that the DeadOrAlive series is really not that much worse than just about any other series like StreetFighter, VideoGame/FatalFury and VideoGame/SoulSeries and the like. In fact some even argue that the series is actually a bit too tame to be M-Rated as the M-rated DeadOrAlive games are barely anymore explicit than the earlier T-Rated games. So in other words it does raise the question on whether if Tecmo can actually play up the Fanservice more and still maintain an M Rating or would it be for the best if they did not.
30th May '16 6:07:43 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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** Some fans dislike the inclusion of the VirtuaFighter guest characters and would rather they not have been included at all, or at least had more work done to them, due to having less fluid animations and using old voice clips. Jacky's addition in 5U just annoyed these fans even more. It gets ridiculous though when they start complaining about the VF characters' models and faces looking out of proportion. Any kind of comparison with the main DOA cast will show the differences are extremely minimal. On the other hand, the inclusion of said VF characters has also attracted more fans to the series, noting that it's one of the more logical ideas for a [[VideoGame/CapcomVsWhatever fighting game]] [[VideoGame/MortalKombatVsDCUniverse crossover]]. Team Ninja and [=AM2=] are also on good terms with each other.

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** Some fans dislike the inclusion of the VirtuaFighter VideoGame/VirtuaFighter guest characters and would rather they not have been included at all, or at least had more work done to them, due to having less fluid animations and using old voice clips. Jacky's addition in 5U just annoyed these fans even more. It gets ridiculous though when they start complaining about the VF characters' models and faces looking out of proportion. Any kind of comparison with the main DOA cast will show the differences are extremely minimal. On the other hand, the inclusion of said VF characters has also attracted more fans to the series, noting that it's one of the more logical ideas for a [[VideoGame/CapcomVsWhatever fighting game]] [[VideoGame/MortalKombatVsDCUniverse crossover]]. Team Ninja and [=AM2=] are also on good terms with each other.
27th May '16 5:09:09 PM nombretomado
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* PolishedPort: The PlaystationVita port of ''[=DOA5=]''. It actually got better reviews than the console versions because it was able to run at a steady 60fps while maintaining good visuals within the handheld's limited hardware. This has been compared to other (ported) fighting games like ''MortalKombat''.

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* PolishedPort: The PlaystationVita UsefulNotes/PlaystationVita port of ''[=DOA5=]''. It actually got better reviews than the console versions because it was able to run at a steady 60fps while maintaining good visuals within the handheld's limited hardware. This has been compared to other (ported) fighting games like ''MortalKombat''.



** The [[{{Fanservice}} fanservice]] itself. The original plan for ''[=DOA5=]'' was to tone down the fanservice in hopes of that the fighting community would finally take the game seriously. However, [[http://www.gamespot.com/news/fans-requested-bigger-breasts-in-dead-or-alive-5-6397379 numerous fans requested bigger breasts]] and Team Ninja subsequently brought it back, full force.

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** The [[{{Fanservice}} fanservice]] {{Fanservice}} itself. The original plan for ''[=DOA5=]'' was to tone down the fanservice in hopes of that the fighting community would finally take the game seriously. However, [[http://www.gamespot.com/news/fans-requested-bigger-breasts-in-dead-or-alive-5-6397379 numerous fans requested bigger breasts]] and Team Ninja subsequently brought it back, full force.
24th May '16 9:25:51 AM XanderVJ
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** The DLC costumes for [=DOA5=]. By the time ''Last Round'' came out, there were so many of them you could buy a brand new UsefulNotes/PlayStation4 or UsefulNotes/XBoxOne with the money necessary for buying all the bikinis and skimpy outfits (some like the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iix6bBZUgaA Halloween 2014]] outfits, which has many costumes that are actually recycled designs). [[UpToEleven And things have only gotten worse since then]]: ''Last Round'' is on it's ''fourth season pass'' already, and there's no sign that Tecmo is planning to stop any time soon. Fans aren't exactly fond of this development.

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** The DLC costumes for [=DOA5=]. By the time ''Last Round'' came out, there were so many of them you could buy a brand new UsefulNotes/PlayStation4 or UsefulNotes/XBoxOne with the money necessary for buying all the bikinis and skimpy outfits (some like the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iix6bBZUgaA Halloween 2014]] outfits, which has many costumes that are actually recycled designs). [[UpToEleven And things have only gotten worse since then]]: ''Last Round'' is on it's ''fourth season pass'' already, and costing a whopping $92.99. ''Each''. And there's no sign that Tecmo is planning to stop any time soon. Fans aren't exactly fond of this development.
24th May '16 9:21:05 AM XanderVJ
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** The DLC costumes for [=DOA5=]. By the time ''Last Round'' came out, there were so many of them you could buy a brand new UsefulNotes/PlayStation4 or UsefulNotes/XBoxOne with the money necessary for buying all the bikinis and skimpy outfits (some like the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iix6bBZUgaA Halloween 2014]] outfits, which has many costumes that are actually recycled designs). [[UpToEleven And things have only gotten worse since then]]: ''Last Round'' is on it's ''fourth season pass'' already, and there's no sing that Tecmo is planning to stop any time soon. Fans aren't exactly fond of this development.

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** The DLC costumes for [=DOA5=]. By the time ''Last Round'' came out, there were so many of them you could buy a brand new UsefulNotes/PlayStation4 or UsefulNotes/XBoxOne with the money necessary for buying all the bikinis and skimpy outfits (some like the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iix6bBZUgaA Halloween 2014]] outfits, which has many costumes that are actually recycled designs). [[UpToEleven And things have only gotten worse since then]]: ''Last Round'' is on it's ''fourth season pass'' already, and there's no sing sign that Tecmo is planning to stop any time soon. Fans aren't exactly fond of this development.
24th May '16 9:20:19 AM XanderVJ
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** The DLC costumes for [=DOA5=]. There are so many of them at this point that you could buy a brand new UsefulNotes/PlayStation4 or UsefulNotes/XBoxOne with the money necessary for buying all the bikinis and skimpy outfits. Fans aren't exactly fond of this development. Taken UpToEleven and beyond with the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iix6bBZUgaA Halloween 2014]] outfits, some of which are actually recycled designs. Once more the fans are annoyed about yet another DLC which costs way, way too much for what it offers.

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** The DLC costumes for [=DOA5=]. There are By the time ''Last Round'' came out, there were so many of them at this point that you could buy a brand new UsefulNotes/PlayStation4 or UsefulNotes/XBoxOne with the money necessary for buying all the bikinis and skimpy outfits.outfits (some like the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iix6bBZUgaA Halloween 2014]] outfits, which has many costumes that are actually recycled designs). [[UpToEleven And things have only gotten worse since then]]: ''Last Round'' is on it's ''fourth season pass'' already, and there's no sing that Tecmo is planning to stop any time soon. Fans aren't exactly fond of this development. Taken UpToEleven and beyond with the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iix6bBZUgaA Halloween 2014]] outfits, some of which are actually recycled designs. Once more the fans are annoyed about yet another DLC which costs way, way too much for what it offers.
21st May '16 9:01:29 PM nombretomado
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*** And then ''[[FromBadToWorse things got a whole lot worse]]'' when it was [[http://teamninja-studio.com/doa5/lastround/us/info_steam_spec.html revealed]] that the port's quality will fall somewhere between those of PS3/360 and PS4/One. Two notable features that it will be missing are the two new stages and the Soft Engine, both of which are exclusive to the current-gen consoles. Some fans are not bothered by this and are happy that a PC version is coming anyway, some decide to put their purchase on hold until something comes up, and others see this as [[PortingDisaster another bad PC porting from a Japanese game developer]] and have either canceled their pre-orders or refused to buy it.

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*** And then ''[[FromBadToWorse things got a whole lot worse]]'' when it was [[http://teamninja-studio.com/doa5/lastround/us/info_steam_spec.html revealed]] that the port's quality will fall somewhere between those of PS3/360 [=PS3=]/360 and PS4/One.[=PS4=]/One. Two notable features that it will be missing are the two new stages and the Soft Engine, both of which are exclusive to the current-gen consoles. Some fans are not bothered by this and are happy that a PC version is coming anyway, some decide to put their purchase on hold until something comes up, and others see this as [[PortingDisaster another bad PC porting from a Japanese game developer]] and have either canceled their pre-orders or refused to buy it.
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