History YMMV / DeadOrAlive

17th Jul '17 2:35:37 PM SamMax
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** Hitomi is also popular with the fanbase since her debut in ''[=DOA3=]''. Even series creator and former director [[WordOfGod Tomonobu Itagaki]] [[CreatorsFavorite likes her]].

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** Hitomi is also popular with the fanbase since her debut in ''[=DOA3=]''. Even series creator and former director [[WordOfGod Tomonobu Itagaki]] [[CreatorsFavorite likes her]]. She was even allowed to appear in the UpdatedRerelease of ''[=DOA2=]'' for the UsefulNotes/{{Xbox}}, albiet without her own story mode.
5th Jul '17 8:24:27 PM Angeldeb82
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation:
** Christie, a PsychoLesbian for Helena or a BadAssGay who fell InLoveWithTheMark? Or is she more AmbiguouslyBi who is willing to go after AnythingThatMoves? (That and there is the occasional scene where she acts seductive toward Eliot namely whether if she only does it just to fluster the boy or if she really is quite the cougar.)

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** Christie, a PsychoLesbian for Helena or a BadAssGay BadassGay who fell InLoveWithTheMark? Or is she more AmbiguouslyBi who is willing to go after AnythingThatMoves? (That and there is the occasional scene where she acts seductive toward Eliot namely whether if she only does it just to fluster the boy or if she really is quite the cougar.)



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** Similarly, La Mariposa/Lisa also gets quite a bit of hate for her personality and fighting style. Also, how Lisa was originally introduced as Tina Armstrong's gal pal/HeterosexualLifePartner in the original Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball. However Lisa became an AscendedExtra in the Main Series by suddenly becoming a prominent scientist with DOATEC who played a fairly big role in the storyline. Some are glad about this development as Tecmo is taking the story a bit more seriously while others complain that it has caused retcons and other odd continuity issues in the story. So in other words some like the idea of Lisa becoming a more prominent character as a DOATEC scientist while others wished that she stayed as Tina's close friend instead. (That and on how after 4 Lisa's relationship with Tina has been substantially downplayed as while Lisa gets a bigger role in the storyline Tina's role is a lot smaller.)

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** Similarly, La Mariposa/Lisa also gets quite a bit of hate for her personality and fighting style. Also, how Lisa was originally introduced as Tina Armstrong's gal pal/HeterosexualLifePartner pal/[[HeterosexualLifePartners Heterosexual Life-Partner]] in the original Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball. However Lisa became an AscendedExtra in the Main Series by suddenly becoming a prominent scientist with DOATEC who played a fairly big role in the storyline. Some are glad about this development as Tecmo is taking the story a bit more seriously while others complain that it has caused retcons and other odd continuity issues in the story. So in other words some like the idea of Lisa becoming a more prominent character as a DOATEC scientist while others wished that she stayed as Tina's close friend instead. (That and on how after 4 Lisa's relationship with Tina has been substantially downplayed as while Lisa gets a bigger role in the storyline Tina's role is a lot smaller.)



*** However there are also plenty of folks who state that the series is so tongue-in-cheek about its fanservice, it's not as harmful as the detractors claim, if at all. They also argue it's really not that much worse than just about any other series like StreetFighter, VideoGame/FatalFury and VideoGame/SoulSeries and the like. In fact some even argue that the series is actually a bit too tame to be M-Rated as the M-rated DeadOrAlive games are barely anymore explicit than the earlier T-Rated games. So in other words it does raise the question on whether if Tecmo can actually play up the Fanservice more and still maintain an M Rating or would it be for the best if they did not.

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*** However there are also plenty of folks who state that the series is so tongue-in-cheek about its fanservice, it's not as harmful as the detractors claim, if at all. They also argue it's really not that much worse than just about any other series like StreetFighter, Franchise/StreetFighter, VideoGame/FatalFury and VideoGame/SoulSeries and the like. In fact some even argue that the series is actually a bit too tame to be M-Rated as the M-rated DeadOrAlive games are barely anymore explicit than the earlier T-Rated games. So in other words it does raise the question on whether if Tecmo can actually play up the Fanservice more and still maintain an M Rating or would it be for the best if they did not.



*** Detractors, who tend to be [[StopHavingFunGuys elitist competitive players]], believe this system is the real reason why the series never got the same amount of respect as ''StreetFighter'' or ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}}'' (after all, when you get down to it, FanService is very high in practically every single popular FightingGame franchise). They think it kills off any sort of offense in the game since everything can be countered. Worst case scenario, they say it completely breaks the gameplay, and makes it shallow and cheap. Defenders, on the other hand, consider it way deeper than its detractors give it credit for, in a "easy to learn, hard to master" way. Plus, it gives the combat an unique fast pace and sense of unpredictability that no other fighting franchise has. Specially since, in practice, countering everything is next to impossible. You ''really'' need to study your opponent's moves in order to counter more than a couple of them per round, so if you lose due to receiving too many counters, either your rival earned it, or you deserve it for using the same moves again and again.

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*** Detractors, who tend to be [[StopHavingFunGuys elitist competitive players]], believe this system is the real reason why the series never got the same amount of respect as ''StreetFighter'' ''Franchise/StreetFighter'' or ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}}'' (after all, when you get down to it, FanService is very high in practically every single popular FightingGame franchise). They think it kills off any sort of offense in the game since everything can be countered. Worst case scenario, they say it completely breaks the gameplay, and makes it shallow and cheap. Defenders, on the other hand, consider it way deeper than its detractors give it credit for, in a "easy to learn, hard to master" way. Plus, it gives the combat an unique fast pace and sense of unpredictability that no other fighting franchise has. Specially since, in practice, countering everything is next to impossible. You ''really'' need to study your opponent's moves in order to counter more than a couple of them per round, so if you lose due to receiving too many counters, either your rival earned it, or you deserve it for using the same moves again and again.



** More recently, the ''[=DOA5=]'' tournament scene has moved to have the more FanService-y costumes banned from tournament play, which has divided the base in a few ways. Supporters say that it's an effort to avert DistractedByTheSexy, while detractors call it a petulant and ham-fisted attempt to win respect from the larger FGC. Not helping matters is the fact that the costume choices seem inconsistent: [[http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/deadoralive/images/5/5c/DOA5LR_costume_Ninja_Clain_VOL1_Hitomi.jpg This costume]] is banned for being "too distracting", while [[http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/deadoralive/images/4/45/DOA5LR_Leifang_C11.jpg this one]] is still considered tournament legal.

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** More recently, the ''[=DOA5=]'' tournament scene has moved to have the more FanService-y {{Fanservice}}-y costumes banned from tournament play, which has divided the base in a few ways. Supporters say that it's an effort to avert DistractedByTheSexy, while detractors call it a petulant and ham-fisted attempt to win respect from the larger FGC. Not helping matters is the fact that the costume choices seem inconsistent: [[http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/deadoralive/images/5/5c/DOA5LR_costume_Ninja_Clain_VOL1_Hitomi.jpg This costume]] is banned for being "too distracting", while [[http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/deadoralive/images/4/45/DOA5LR_Leifang_C11.jpg this one]] is still considered tournament legal.



** ''Xtreme 2''. While it offered more to do than the first game (jet skiing, butt bumping, flag races, and water slides were added), the framerates inexplicably dropped despite being on a more powerful console, the loading times were longer, and despite the new stuff, it had a bad case of ItsTheSameSoItSucks. Plus, the unrealistic JigglePhysics were derided by some.

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** ''Xtreme 2''. While it offered more to do than the first game (jet skiing, butt bumping, flag races, and water slides were added), the framerates inexplicably dropped despite being on a more powerful console, the loading times were longer, and despite the new stuff, it had a bad case of ItsTheSameSoItSucks.ItsTheSameNowItSucks. Plus, the unrealistic JigglePhysics were derided by some.



* CrackIsCheaper: As mentioned below in InternetBackdraft,buying all the costumes for ''[=DOA=] 5'' will cost you more than a brand new UsefulNotes/XBoxOne or PS4.

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* CrackIsCheaper: As mentioned below in InternetBackdraft,buying all the costumes for ''[=DOA=] 5'' will cost you more than a brand new UsefulNotes/XBoxOne UsefulNotes/XboxOne or PS4.



** The DLC costumes for [=DOA5=]. By the time ''Last Round'' came out, there were so many of them you could buy a brand new UsefulNotes/PlayStation4 or UsefulNotes/XBoxOne with the money necessary for buying all the bikinis and skimpy outfits (some like the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iix6bBZUgaA Halloween 2014]] outfits, which has many costumes that are actually recycled designs). [[UpToEleven And things have only gotten worse since then]]: ''Last Round'' is on it's ''fourth season pass'' already, costing a whopping $92.99. ''Each''. And there's no sign that Tecmo is planning to stop any time soon. Fans aren't exactly fond of this development.

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** The DLC costumes for [=DOA5=]. By the time ''Last Round'' came out, there were so many of them you could buy a brand new UsefulNotes/PlayStation4 or UsefulNotes/XBoxOne UsefulNotes/XboxOne with the money necessary for buying all the bikinis and skimpy outfits (some like the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iix6bBZUgaA Halloween 2014]] outfits, which has many costumes that are actually recycled designs). [[UpToEleven And things have only gotten worse since then]]: ''Last Round'' is on it's ''fourth season pass'' already, costing a whopping $92.99. ''Each''. And there's no sign that Tecmo is planning to stop any time soon. Fans aren't exactly fond of this development.



** A Facebook account associated with Tecmo-Koei, while confirming the company's previous statement that ''Xtreme 3'' [[NoExportForYou would not receive an official Western release]], insinuated that one concern might be [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad that the game's sexualization of the female fighters might not go over well in the West]].[[note]]Exact quote in its entirety: “Do you know many issues happening in video game industry with regard to how to treat female in video game industry? We do not want to talk those things here. But certainly we have gone through in last year or two to come to our decision. Thank you” [all sic][[/note]]. Backlash ensued, not so much at the company itself, but at the supposed "PC Police" who were accused of suppressing the game's release by this quasi-official source. Shortly after this, Play-Asia announced that they would be importing Asian-market English-language versions of ''Xtreme 3'' through their site and made remarks on their Twitter about "#SJW nonsense". As might be expected this caused a bit of a FlameWar, with at least one Tumblr page springing up (since removed) calling for a boycott of Play-Asia. [[http://www.polygon.com/2015/12/1/9827456/koei-tecmo-dead-or-alive-xtreme-3-controversy-team-ninja The fact that Tecmo-Koei has distanced itself from the comment on its Facebook account has not slowed down the controversy.]] [[AttackBackfire The proposed boycott appears to have been a non-starter, considering Play Asia's follower count rose from 9000 to 19000 shortly after these events]].

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** A Facebook account associated with Tecmo-Koei, while confirming the company's previous statement that ''Xtreme 3'' [[NoExportForYou would not receive an official Western release]], insinuated that one concern might be [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad that the game's sexualization of the female fighters might not go over well in the West]].[[note]]Exact quote in its entirety: “Do you know many issues happening in video game industry with regard to how to treat female in video game industry? We do not want to talk those things here. But certainly we have gone through in last year or two to come to our decision. Thank you” [all sic][[/note]]. Backlash ensued, not so much at the company itself, but at the supposed "PC Police" who were accused of suppressing the game's release by this quasi-official source. Shortly after this, Play-Asia announced that they would be importing Asian-market English-language versions of ''Xtreme 3'' through their site and made remarks on their Twitter about "#SJW nonsense". As might be expected this caused a bit of a FlameWar, with at least one Tumblr page springing up (since removed) calling for a boycott of Play-Asia. [[http://www.[[https://www.polygon.com/2015/12/1/9827456/koei-tecmo-dead-or-alive-xtreme-3-controversy-team-ninja The fact that Tecmo-Koei has distanced itself from the comment on its Facebook account has not slowed down the controversy.]] [[AttackBackfire The proposed boycott appears to have been a non-starter, considering Play Asia's follower count rose from 9000 to 19000 shortly after these events]].



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* LesYay: [[HoYay Les Yay]]:



* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Really Tecmo, you expect us to believe that [[spoiler: Hayate and Ayane really killed Kasumi?]] They must really need to [[spoiler:make use of the clone, somehow...]]

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* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Really Tecmo, you expect us to believe that [[spoiler: Hayate and Ayane really killed Kasumi?]] Kasumi]]? They must really need to [[spoiler:make use of the clone, somehow...]]somehow]]...



* PolishedPort: The UsefulNotes/PlaystationVita port of ''[=DOA5=]''. It actually got better reviews than the console versions because it was able to run at a steady 60fps while maintaining good visuals within the handheld's limited hardware. This has been compared to other (ported) fighting games like ''MortalKombat''.

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* PolishedPort: The UsefulNotes/PlaystationVita port of ''[=DOA5=]''. It actually got better reviews than the console versions because it was able to run at a steady 60fps while maintaining good visuals within the handheld's limited hardware. This has been compared to other (ported) fighting games like ''MortalKombat''.''Franchise/MortalKombat''.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: For a time Kasumi's backstory of being a runaway Ninja who left her village to seek revenge for her then-crippled brother Hayate and is hunted by the people of her village has been considered to be this. While this subplot was played up in ''2'', it became a fairly minor detail in ''3'' and the ''Dead or Alive Xtreme'' subseries kind of ruined the credibility of the subplot and made it rather pointless. (You know for someone who is supposed to be on the run 24/7, Kasumi is awfully willing to be out in public.) There were even accusations that Tecmo doesn't really know what to do with the ''DeadOrAlive'' story anymore and is not taking it seriously enough. But fortunately this subplot does get played up a bit more in ''Dimensions'' and ''5'' in which ''5'' even implies that there will even be some resolution in Kasumi's situation with her home village after all.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: For a time Kasumi's backstory of being a runaway Ninja who left her village to seek revenge for her then-crippled brother Hayate and is hunted by the people of her village has been considered to be this. While this subplot was played up in ''2'', it became a fairly minor detail in ''3'' and the ''Dead or Alive Xtreme'' subseries kind of ruined the credibility of the subplot and made it rather pointless. (You know for someone who is supposed to be on the run 24/7, Kasumi is awfully willing to be out in public.) There were even accusations that Tecmo doesn't really know what to do with the ''DeadOrAlive'' ''VideoGame/DeadOrAlive'' story anymore and is not taking it seriously enough. But fortunately this subplot does get played up a bit more in ''Dimensions'' and ''5'' in which ''5'' even implies that there will even be some resolution in Kasumi's situation with her home village after all.
22nd Jun '17 12:52:11 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* CluelessAesop: Lei-Fang's ending in 4 has her being on a train in which her breasts were groped by a middle aged man, causing her to angrily kick him off the train into the river as the crowd cheers her for that while she tries to cover up. Plenty have deemed it to be a tasteless case of AccidentalPervert (which can be seen as murder if you're willing to ignore the old SoftWater rule, and even taking that into account merely leaving him stranded in the middle of nowhere and possibly injured with a broken phone would ''still'' make it DisproportionateRetribution), and while some deem it to be lightly amusing and harmless there are those find it to be highly offensive. But one could easily see that ending as a well-intentioned though over the top TakeThat towards perverted men who feel up women in Japanese Subways. Even so people probably would've cringed a lot less if Lei Fang's DOA 4 ending wasn't such a blatant case of AccidentalPervert (it's obvious from the look on his face and his body language that the poor guy was trying to avoid smacking into her).
* ComplacentGamingSyndrome: Expect to fight a lot of Hayabusas online, thanks in part to the popularity of the ''VideoGame/NinjaGaiden'' series.
11th Jun '17 4:30:28 PM nombretomado
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* CrackIsCheaper: As mentioned below in InternetBackdraft,buying all the costumes for ''[=DOA=] 5'' will cost you more than a brand new XBoxOne or PS4.

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* CrackIsCheaper: As mentioned below in InternetBackdraft,buying all the costumes for ''[=DOA=] 5'' will cost you more than a brand new XBoxOne UsefulNotes/XBoxOne or PS4.
9th Apr '17 5:54:27 AM Tenma-Yuuki
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** Marie Rose and Honoka were introduced in ''[=DOA5U=]'' and ''[=DOA5LR=]'' respectively as extra characters with no specific story mode, but have gained so much popularity they've been [[WolverinePublicity front and center in the promotional material]] for ''Xtreme Beach Volleyball 3''; it's very likely that a future installment of the main series will promote them to full-fledged characters.

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** Marie Rose and Honoka were introduced in ''[=DOA5U=]'' and ''[=DOA5LR=]'' respectively as extra characters with no specific story mode, but have gained so much popularity they've been [[WolverinePublicity front and center in the promotional material]] for ''Xtreme Beach Volleyball 3''; 3'', and also appear in ''VideoGame/MusouStars'' as playable characters; it's very likely that a future installment of the main series will promote them to full-fledged characters.
22nd Mar '17 9:38:38 AM GKG
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** Many have a hard time remembering that it's a FightingGame series. The vast majority of people only remember the female fighters's curvy model-esque bodies and JigglePhysics, for better or for worse. Mind you, Tecmo isn't trying to mask it or anything. They ran straight to the endzone with that knowledge (and zero regret) when promoting ''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jfzh2s3jlE Dead or Alive 3]]''. Even ''5'', which tried to tone down ([[InternetBackdraft and failed miserably]]) the "doll-like" features of their female fighters and make them more natural looking, offered all sorts of sexy incentives for preorders like fuzzy bunny bikini costumes and squishy mouse pads, and even going back to the roots later on in the game's lifecycle.

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** Many have a hard time remembering that it's a FightingGame series. The vast majority of people only remember the female fighters's curvy model-esque bodies and JigglePhysics, for better or for worse. Mind you, Tecmo isn't trying to mask it or anything. They ran straight to the endzone with that knowledge (and zero regret) when promoting ''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jfzh2s3jlE Dead or Alive 3]]''. Even ''5'', which tried to tone down ([[InternetBackdraft and failed miserably]]) the "doll-like" features of their female fighters and make them more natural looking, offered all sorts of sexy incentives for preorders like fuzzy bunny bikini costumes and squishy mouse pads, and even going back to the roots later on in the game's lifecycle.
13th Mar '17 1:07:20 PM rafi
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** Many have a hard time remembering that it's a FightingGame series.
** The first Xtreme Beach Volleyball got quite a few good reviews for being a pretty solid volleyball videogame.

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** Many have a hard time remembering that it's a FightingGame series.
series. The vast majority of people only remember the female fighters's curvy model-esque bodies and JigglePhysics, for better or for worse. Mind you, Tecmo isn't trying to mask it or anything. They ran straight to the endzone with that knowledge (and zero regret) when promoting ''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jfzh2s3jlE Dead or Alive 3]]''. Even ''5'', which tried to tone down ([[InternetBackdraft and failed miserably]]) the "doll-like" features of their female fighters and make them more natural looking, offered all sorts of sexy incentives for preorders like fuzzy bunny bikini costumes and squishy mouse pads, and even going back to the roots later on in the game's lifecycle.
** The first Xtreme Beach Volleyball got quite ''Xtreme'' series as a few good reviews for being a pretty solid volleyball videogame.volleyball/jet ski game is basically the video game development equivalent of an ExcusePlot. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fp2yw6OCJg Watch and observe.]] Did you notice much sports action in that trailer?
*** Subverted with ''Xtreme 3'', due to the crackdown on fanservice in gaming; as well as [[NoExportForYou the game getting stuck in Asia.]]
13th Mar '17 1:00:01 PM GendoIkari
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** Marie Rose and Honoka were introduced in ''[=DOA5U=]'' and ''[=DOA5LR=]'' respectively as extra characters that get no specific story mode, but have gained so much popularity they are now [[WolverinePublicity front and center in the promotional material]] for ''Xtreme Beach Volleyball 3''; it's very likely that a future installment of the main series will promote them to full-fledged characters.

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** Marie Rose and Honoka were introduced in ''[=DOA5U=]'' and ''[=DOA5LR=]'' respectively as extra characters that get with no specific story mode, but have gained so much popularity they are now they've been [[WolverinePublicity front and center in the promotional material]] for ''Xtreme Beach Volleyball 3''; it's very likely that a future installment of the main series will promote them to full-fledged characters.
1st Mar '17 10:02:17 AM santos32
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* StuckInTheirShadow: ''Dead or Alive'' has male characters. Common knowledge to fans, but if you told this to a non-fan, it would likely be news to them. In fact, even within the fandom, when someone brings up "who's your favorite male character?", a common joke is to say "...there's male characters?". This naturally is a point of contention to some.

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* StuckInTheirShadow: ''Dead or Alive'' has male characters. Common knowledge to fans, but if you told this to a non-fan, it would likely be news to them. In fact, even within the fandom, when someone brings up "who's your favorite male character?", a common joke is to say "...there's male characters?". This naturally is a point of contention to some. Ryu Hayabusa is almost exempt from this given Ninja Gaiden's own popularity.
3rd Nov '16 9:20:22 AM Larkmarn
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** From a [[TournamentPlay competitive]] point of view, the series has has difficulty shedding the stigma of Dead Or Alive 4 for being an overly defensive game that penalized attacking with powerful counters.

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** From a [[TournamentPlay competitive]] point of view, the series has has difficulty shedding the stigma of Dead Or Alive 4 for being an overly defensive game that penalized attacking with powerful counters.
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