History YMMV / DeadOrAlive

30th Apr '16 11:11:02 PM drac0blade
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** Series creator Tomonobu Itagaki himself is this. While there are some people who [[OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight prefer his direction for the series]], a good number of fans, especially from the tournament crowd, hate him with a passion. This is due to an incident prior to the release of DOA 4, where upon seeing videos of how DOA 3 was being played by high level players (emphasis on natural combos that couldn't be countered, frame trapping, etc.) he immediately changes alot of things about the game because they didn't fit with his vision of how. The resultant changes were felt by many to have made the game unviable for tournament play. His most recent, disparaging comments toward DOA 5, itself considered a favorite of the tournament crowd, have not helped this.

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** Series creator Tomonobu Itagaki himself is this. While there are some people who [[OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight prefer his direction for the series]], a good number of fans, especially from the tournament crowd, hate him with a passion. This is due to an incident prior to the release of DOA 4, where upon seeing videos of how DOA 3 was being played by high level players (emphasis on natural combos that couldn't be countered, frame trapping, etc.) he immediately changes alot a lot of things about the game because they didn't fit with his vision of how. The resultant changes were felt by many to have made the game unviable nonviable for tournament play. His most recent, disparaging comments toward DOA 5, itself considered a favorite of the tournament crowd, have not helped this.



* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: In the final cutscene of Helena's DOA 4 story and Dimensions' storyline. Everything's going to hell. Then suddenly, there's this shot where some random woman who wasn't seen in any other part of the game is being shot in the head. Why it seems so out of place is because this was a cinematic cutscene, which none of the cinematic ones had any extras in up until this point. What made this shot even more jarring was that pretty much all other extras in the game are all blank-faced clones who all seem to shop from the same clothing store. Many character endings from the first four games could also qualify. Some even look completely out of character. Why does Kasumi dream of being a (naked) mermaid in what looks like a J-Pop music video?

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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: In the final cutscene cut scene of Helena's DOA 4 story and Dimensions' storyline.story-line. Everything's going to hell. Then suddenly, there's this shot where some random woman who wasn't seen in any other part of the game is being shot in the head. Why it seems so out of place is because this was a cinematic cutscene, cut scene, which none of the cinematic ones had any extras in up until this point. What made this shot even more jarring was that pretty much all other extras in the game are all blank-faced clones who all seem to shop from the same clothing store. Many character endings from the first four games could also qualify. Some even look completely out of character. Why does Kasumi dream of being a (naked) mermaid in what looks like a J-Pop music video?
19th Apr '16 4:20:03 AM XanderVJ
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* AccidentalInnuendo: The two new gameplay mechanics in ''5'' are called "Power Blow" and "Critical Burst". Yeah...

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* AccidentalInnuendo: AccidentalInnuendo:
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The two new gameplay mechanics in ''5'' are called "Power Blow" and "Critical Burst". Yeah...



* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Christie, a PsychoLesbian for Helena or a BadAssGay who fell InLoveWithTheMark? Or is she more AmbiguouslyBi who is willing to go after AnythingThatMoves? (That and there is the occasional scene where she acts seductive toward Eliot namely whether if she only does it just to fluster the boy or if she really is quite the cougar.)

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: AlternateCharacterInterpretation:
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Christie, a PsychoLesbian for Helena or a BadAssGay who fell InLoveWithTheMark? Or is she more AmbiguouslyBi who is willing to go after AnythingThatMoves? (That and there is the occasional scene where she acts seductive toward Eliot namely whether if she only does it just to fluster the boy or if she really is quite the cougar.)



*** And that's before the introduction of Mila in 5 who may just be an ascended fan-girl for Tina, or could have a celebrity crush on her.

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*** ** And that's before the introduction of Mila in 5 who may just be an ascended fan-girl for Tina, or could have a celebrity crush on her.



** Similarly, La Mariposa/Lisa also gets quite a bit of hate for her personality and fighting style.
*** That and on how Lisa was originally introduced as Tina Armstrong's gal pal/HeterosexualLifePartner in the original Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball. However Lisa became an AscendedExtra in the Main Series by suddenly becoming a prominent scientist with DOATEC who played a fairly big role in the storyline. Some are glad about this development as Tecmo is taking the story a bit more seriously while others complain that it has caused retcons and other odd continuity issues in the story. So in other words some like the idea of Lisa becoming a more prominent character as a DOATEC scientist while others wished that she stayed as Tina's close friend instead. (That and on how after 4 Lisa's relationship with Tina has been substantially downplayed as while Lisa gets a bigger role in the storyline Tina's role is a lot smaller.)

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** Similarly, La Mariposa/Lisa also gets quite a bit of hate for her personality and fighting style.
*** That and on
style. Also, how Lisa was originally introduced as Tina Armstrong's gal pal/HeterosexualLifePartner in the original Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball. However Lisa became an AscendedExtra in the Main Series by suddenly becoming a prominent scientist with DOATEC who played a fairly big role in the storyline. Some are glad about this development as Tecmo is taking the story a bit more seriously while others complain that it has caused retcons and other odd continuity issues in the story. So in other words some like the idea of Lisa becoming a more prominent character as a DOATEC scientist while others wished that she stayed as Tina's close friend instead. (That and on how after 4 Lisa's relationship with Tina has been substantially downplayed as while Lisa gets a bigger role in the storyline Tina's role is a lot smaller.)



** Honoka follows the trend. Having both Marie-Rose's face (as in, the same 3D model), being arguably an {{Expy}} of a character from [[Franchise/LoveLive an unrelated anime]] (with the same name to boot) and a fight style made out of movements from the rest of the roster, some people called "lazy" on Team Ninja. Others appreciate her, arguing that characters made of other character's moves is pretty common in FightingGames, and the mix seems to be pretty well thought out. Also, as surprising as this sounds, she's the first female character in the series that embodies the Schoolgirl archetype.

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** Honoka follows the trend. Having both Marie-Rose's face (as in, the same 3D model), being arguably an {{Expy}} of a character from [[Franchise/LoveLive an unrelated anime]] (with the same name to boot) and a fight style made out of movements from the rest of the roster, some people called "lazy" on Team Ninja. Others appreciate her, arguing that characters made of other character's moves is pretty common in FightingGames, and the mix seems to be is pretty well thought out. Also, as surprising as this sounds, she's the first female character in the series that embodies the Schoolgirl archetype.



** ''Dead Or Alive 4''. Most competitive players hate the game and blame it for the stigma attached to competitive [=DOA=], the more casual fans however love it due to its unique online mode and flashy aesthetics.
** Series creator Tomonobu Itagaki himself is this. While there are some people who prefer his direction for the series, a good number of fans, especially from the tournament crowd, hate him with a passion. This is due to an incident prior to the release of DOA 4, where upon seeing videos of how DOA 3 was being played by high level players (emphasis on natural combos that couldn't be countered, frame trapping, etc.) he immediately changes alot of things about the game because they didn't fit with his vision of how. The resultant changes were felt by many to have made the game unviable for tournament play. His most recent, disparaging comments toward DOA 5, itself considered a favorite of the tournament crowd, have not helped this.
* BestKnownForTheFanservice: Many have a hard time remembering that it's a FightingGame series.

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** ''Dead Or Alive 4''. Most competitive players hate the game and blame it for the stigma attached to competitive [=DOA=], the more casual fans however love it due to its unique online mode and flashy aesthetics.
** Series creator Tomonobu Itagaki himself is this. While there are some people who [[OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight prefer his direction for the series, series]], a good number of fans, especially from the tournament crowd, hate him with a passion. This is due to an incident prior to the release of DOA 4, where upon seeing videos of how DOA 3 was being played by high level players (emphasis on natural combos that couldn't be countered, frame trapping, etc.) he immediately changes alot of things about the game because they didn't fit with his vision of how. The resultant changes were felt by many to have made the game unviable for tournament play. His most recent, disparaging comments toward DOA 5, itself considered a favorite of the tournament crowd, have not helped this.
* BestKnownForTheFanservice: BestKnownForTheFanservice:
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Many have a hard time remembering that it's a FightingGame series.



*** Detractors, who tend to be [[StopHavingFunGuys elitist competitive players]], believe this system is the real reason why the series never got the same amount of respect as ''StreetFighter'' or ''{{Tekken}}'' (after all, when you get down to it, FanService is very high in practically every single popular FightingGame franchise). They think it kills off any sort of offense in the game since everything can be countered. Worst case scenario, they say it completely breaks the gameplay, and makes it shallow and cheap. Defenders, on the other hand, consider it way deeper than its detractors give it credit for, in a "easy to learn, hard to master" way. Plus, it gives the combat an unique fast pace and sense of unpredictability that no other fighting franchise has. Specially since, in practice, countering everything is next to impossible. Plus, the changes that were made in ''[=DOA4=]'' prevent people from abusing the most common counters. You ''really'' need to study your opponent's moves in order to counter more than a couple of them per round, so if you loose due to receiving too many counters, either your rival earned it, or you deserve it for using the same moves again and again.
*** Any good ''4'' did for the counter system was ruined by the ease of how they could be pulled off and how much offense was at a disadvantage in that game.

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*** Detractors, who tend to be [[StopHavingFunGuys elitist competitive players]], believe this system is the real reason why the series never got the same amount of respect as ''StreetFighter'' or ''{{Tekken}}'' (after all, when you get down to it, FanService is very high in practically every single popular FightingGame franchise). They think it kills off any sort of offense in the game since everything can be countered. Worst case scenario, they say it completely breaks the gameplay, and makes it shallow and cheap. Defenders, on the other hand, consider it way deeper than its detractors give it credit for, in a "easy to learn, hard to master" way. Plus, it gives the combat an unique fast pace and sense of unpredictability that no other fighting franchise has. Specially since, in practice, countering everything is next to impossible. Plus, the changes that were made in ''[=DOA4=]'' prevent people from abusing the most common counters. You ''really'' need to study your opponent's moves in order to counter more than a couple of them per round, so if you loose due to receiving too many counters, either your rival earned it, or you deserve it for using the same moves again and again.
*** Any good ''4'' did for the counter system was ruined by the ease of how they could be pulled off and how much offense was at a disadvantage in that game.
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** ''Dead Or Alive 4'' as a whole. Most competitive players hate the game and blame it for the stigma attached to competitive [=DOA=]. On the other hand, the more casual fans however love it due to its unique online mode and flashy aesthetics.



** The decision of not bringing ''Dead or Alive Xtreme 3'' to Western territories, allegedly because they wanted to avoid controversy regarding the representation of female characters, split the fan base and even the gaming community in several factions. Mostly depending on whether they were supporters or detractors of the sub-series in the first place. Long story short, there were people who were upset, people who didn't care much, and people who were glad. All three to different degrees.



** ''[=DOA4=]'', especially in the eyes of the high-level play community.



** Mila gets a lot of love from the fanbase for going completely against the grain for a female DOA fighter. To wit, she's cute and attractive without being hyper-sexualized or playing up any fetishes, has a hot-blooded but still humble personality, shows great sportsmanship, and her MMA-based fighting style is [[SimpleYetAwesome short on flashy and balletic moves, but it looks very damned painful and effective]].

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** Mila gets a lot of love from the fanbase for going completely against the grain for a female DOA fighter. To wit, she's cute and attractive without being hyper-sexualized (at least by the series standards) or playing up any fetishes, has a hot-blooded but still humble personality, shows great sportsmanship, and her MMA-based fighting style is [[SimpleYetAwesome short on flashy and balletic moves, but it looks very damned painful and effective]].



* FandomRivalry: Don't put a big chunk of Kasumi and Ayane's respective fan bases in the same room. Just sayin'.
** [[spoiler:That said, the sisters burying the hatchet in-universe is also turning down the heat between these two fan bases... [[IncestYayShipping or making it hotter in another sense altogether]]...]]

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* FandomRivalry: FandomRivalry:
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Don't put a big chunk of Kasumi and Ayane's respective fan bases in the same room. Just sayin'.
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sayin'. [[spoiler:That said, the sisters burying the hatchet in-universe is also turning down the heat between these two fan bases... [[IncestYayShipping or making it hotter in another sense altogether]]...]]



* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Mila has become very popular among Spaniard fans of the series. Not only because she's from Spain herself, but rather because she's the first Spanish character in a FightingGame who looks the part WITHOUT falling into any Spanish stereotypes, NotEvenBotheringWithTheAccent notwithstanding. (Not that it matters, since in Spain the vast majority of fighting gamers play with the Japanese dub, where realizing this is ''much'' more difficult, given how similar Japanese and Spanish phonetics are).

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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Mila has become very popular among Spaniard fans of the series. Not only because she's from Spain herself, but rather because she's the first Spanish character in a FightingGame who looks the part WITHOUT falling into any Spanish stereotypes, NotEvenBotheringWithTheAccent notwithstanding. (Not notwithstanding [[note]]Not that it matters, since in Spain the vast majority of fighting gamers play with the Japanese dub, where realizing this is ''much'' more difficult, given how similar Japanese and Spanish phonetics are).are[[/note]].



** Before then, ''Dead or Alive 4'' got a great deal of respect after Team Ninja fixed the online issues with a patch and people could see how polished and balanced the game really was. However, since this was several months after the game release, it didn't got as much attention as it could. The fact that Alpha-152 remained [[SNKBoss a pain in the ass]] didn't help either.
*** This was also before [[BaseBreaker DOA4]] was later shown to be rather problematic at high level play. So you could then say that it eventually shaved its beard away.
* HilariousInHindsight: The crux of the series in later games is Kasumi fighting against Donovan. Now cut to ''VideoGames/MassEffect2'' which has a side mission where...you help Kasumi against Donovan.

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* HilariousInHindsight:
** Before then, ''Dead or Alive 4'' got a great deal of respect after Team Ninja fixed the online issues with a patch and people could see how polished and balanced the game really was. However, since this was several months after the game release, it didn't got as much attention as it could. The fact that Alpha-152 remained [[SNKBoss a pain in the ass]] didn't help either.
*** This was also before [[BaseBreaker DOA4]] was later shown to be rather problematic at high level play. So you could then say that it eventually shaved its beard away.
* HilariousInHindsight:
The crux of the series in later games is Kasumi fighting against Donovan. Now cut to ''VideoGames/MassEffect2'' which has a side mission where...you help Kasumi against Donovan.



** A Facebook account associated with Tecmo-Koei, while confirming the company's previous statement that ''Xtreme 3'' [[NoExportForYou would not receive an official North American release]], insinuated that one concern might be [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad that the game's sexualization of the female fighters might not go over well in the West]].[[note]]Exact quote in its entirety: “Do you know many issues happening in video game industry with regard to how to treat female in video game industry? We do not want to talk those things here. But certainly we have gone through in last year or two to come to our decision. Thank you” [all sic][[/note]]. Backlash ensued, not so much at the company itself, but at the supposed "PC Police" who were accused of suppressing the game's release by this quasi-official source. Shortly after this, Play-Asia announced that they would be importing Asian-market English-language versions of ''Xtreme 3'' through their site and made remarks on their Twitter about "#SJW nonsense". As might be expected this caused a bit of a FlameWar, with at least one Tumblr page springing up (since removed) calling for a boycott of Play-Asia. [[http://www.polygon.com/2015/12/1/9827456/koei-tecmo-dead-or-alive-xtreme-3-controversy-team-ninja The fact that Tecmo-Koei has distanced itself from the comment on its Facebook account has not slowed down the controversy.]] The proposed boycott appears to have been a non-starter, considering Play Asia's follower count rose from 9000 to 19000 shortly after these events.

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** A Facebook account associated with Tecmo-Koei, while confirming the company's previous statement that ''Xtreme 3'' [[NoExportForYou would not receive an official North American Western release]], insinuated that one concern might be [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad that the game's sexualization of the female fighters might not go over well in the West]].[[note]]Exact quote in its entirety: “Do you know many issues happening in video game industry with regard to how to treat female in video game industry? We do not want to talk those things here. But certainly we have gone through in last year or two to come to our decision. Thank you” [all sic][[/note]]. Backlash ensued, not so much at the company itself, but at the supposed "PC Police" who were accused of suppressing the game's release by this quasi-official source. Shortly after this, Play-Asia announced that they would be importing Asian-market English-language versions of ''Xtreme 3'' through their site and made remarks on their Twitter about "#SJW nonsense". As might be expected this caused a bit of a FlameWar, with at least one Tumblr page springing up (since removed) calling for a boycott of Play-Asia. [[http://www.polygon.com/2015/12/1/9827456/koei-tecmo-dead-or-alive-xtreme-3-controversy-team-ninja The fact that Tecmo-Koei has distanced itself from the comment on its Facebook account has not slowed down the controversy.]] The proposed boycott appears to have been a non-starter, considering Play Asia's follower count rose from 9000 to 19000 shortly after these events.



* NeverLiveItDown: People who are critical with Team Ninja usually only mention the ''Xtreme Beach Volleyball'' entries when they talk about the series or the studio, as if the fighting games didn't even exist (famous web shows like ''WebVideo/ExtraCredits'' or ''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation'' have been guilty of this). And if they do mention them, they talk about the JigglePhysics as if they were the only noteworthy thing about them. Because, you know, being a pretty awesome fighting series on its own merits [[SarcasmMode means absolutely nothing]] next to the FanService.

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* NeverLiveItDown: NeverLiveItDown:
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People who are critical with Team Ninja usually only mention the ''Xtreme Beach Volleyball'' entries when they talk about the series or the studio, as if the fighting games didn't even exist (famous web shows like ''WebVideo/ExtraCredits'' or ''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation'' have been guilty of this). And if they do mention them, they talk about the JigglePhysics as if they were the only noteworthy thing about them. Because, you know, being a pretty awesome fighting series on its own merits [[SarcasmMode means absolutely nothing]] next to the FanService.



* NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity: After Play-Asia announced that they would be selling an English version of ''[=DOAX3=]'' (since Tecmo-Koei will not be doing an official North American release), a short-lived Tumblr account called for a boycott of the store. The Play-Asia Twitter account made some [[TakeThat pointed comments]] about the situation and promptly gained several thousand new followers.

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* NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity: After Play-Asia announced that they would be selling an English the localized-to-English non-Japanese Asian version of ''[=DOAX3=]'' (since Tecmo-Koei will not be doing an official North American Western release), a short-lived Tumblr account called for a boycott of the store. The Play-Asia Twitter account made some [[TakeThat pointed comments]] about the situation and promptly gained several thousand new followers.



* SavedByTheFans: The [[{{Fanservice}} fanservice]] itself. The original plan for ''[=DOA5=]'' was to tone down the fanservice in hopes of that the fighting community would finally take the game seriously. However, [[http://www.gamespot.com/news/fans-requested-bigger-breasts-in-dead-or-alive-5-6397379 numerous fans requested bigger breasts]] and Team Ninja subsequently brought it back, full force.

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* SavedByTheFans: SavedByTheFans:
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The [[{{Fanservice}} fanservice]] itself. The original plan for ''[=DOA5=]'' was to tone down the fanservice in hopes of that the fighting community would finally take the game seriously. However, [[http://www.gamespot.com/news/fans-requested-bigger-breasts-in-dead-or-alive-5-6397379 numerous fans requested bigger breasts]] and Team Ninja subsequently brought it back, full force.



* WinBackTheCrowd: Thus far, the response of ''5'' is very positive and seems to be garnering fans who realize about this being more than a {{Fanservice}} fighting game.

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* WinBackTheCrowd: Thus far, the response of ''5'' is very positive and seems to be garnering fans who realize about this being more than a {{Fanservice}} fighting game. Although the later flood of DLC has tarnished the game as a product in the eyes of many.
13th Apr '16 6:38:55 PM MisterCPC
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* ContestedSequel: ''Xtreme 2''. While it offered more to do than the first game (jet skiing, butt bumping, flag races, and water slides were added), the framerates inexplicably dropped despite being on a more powerful console, the loading times were longer, and despite the new stuff, it had a bad case of ItsTheSameSoItSucks. Plus, the unrealistic JigglePhysics were derided by some.

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* ContestedSequel: ContestedSequel:
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''Xtreme 2''. While it offered more to do than the first game (jet skiing, butt bumping, flag races, and water slides were added), the framerates inexplicably dropped despite being on a more powerful console, the loading times were longer, and despite the new stuff, it had a bad case of ItsTheSameSoItSucks. Plus, the unrealistic JigglePhysics were derided by some.some.
** ''Xtreme 3'' had many feeling the graphical frammerate improved for its third outing, was also decried for [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks dropping several features]] from the first two gams such as the water slide, jet skis, accessories, two whole islands, as well as removing fan favorites from the first two games like Tina, Leifang, and Christie.
8th Apr '16 10:59:43 AM HighCrate
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** A Facebook account associated with Tecmo-Koei, while confirming the company's previous statement that ''Xtreme 3'' [[NoExportForYou would not receive an official North American release]], insinuated that one concern might be [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad that the game's sexualization of the female fighters might not go over well in the West]].[[note]]Exact quote in its entirety: “Do you know many issues happening in video game industry with regard to how to treat female in video game industry? We do not want to talk those things here. But certainly we have gone through in last year or two to come to our decision. Thank you” [all sic][[/note]]. Backlash ensued, not so much at the company itself, but at the supposed "PC Police" who were accused of suppressing the game's release by this quasi-official source. Shortly after this, Play-Asia announced that they would be importing Asian-market English-language versions of ''Xtreme 3'' through their site and made remarks on their Twitter about "#SJW nonsense". As might be expected this caused a bit of a FlameWar, with at least one Tumblr page springing up (since removed) calling for a boycott of Play-Asia. [[http://www.polygon.com/2015/12/1/9827456/koei-tecmo-dead-or-alive-xtreme-3-controversy-team-ninja The fact that Tecmo-Koei has distanced itself from the comment on its Facebook account has not slowed down the controversy.]] Lastly, after the boycott of ''Play Asia'' came up and SJW folks left in droves, the shop's fanbase rose from 9000 to 19000. The InternetBackdraft against the PC Police must have been well justified when so many people side with ''Play Asia'' over this.

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** A Facebook account associated with Tecmo-Koei, while confirming the company's previous statement that ''Xtreme 3'' [[NoExportForYou would not receive an official North American release]], insinuated that one concern might be [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad that the game's sexualization of the female fighters might not go over well in the West]].[[note]]Exact quote in its entirety: “Do you know many issues happening in video game industry with regard to how to treat female in video game industry? We do not want to talk those things here. But certainly we have gone through in last year or two to come to our decision. Thank you” [all sic][[/note]]. Backlash ensued, not so much at the company itself, but at the supposed "PC Police" who were accused of suppressing the game's release by this quasi-official source. Shortly after this, Play-Asia announced that they would be importing Asian-market English-language versions of ''Xtreme 3'' through their site and made remarks on their Twitter about "#SJW nonsense". As might be expected this caused a bit of a FlameWar, with at least one Tumblr page springing up (since removed) calling for a boycott of Play-Asia. [[http://www.polygon.com/2015/12/1/9827456/koei-tecmo-dead-or-alive-xtreme-3-controversy-team-ninja The fact that Tecmo-Koei has distanced itself from the comment on its Facebook account has not slowed down the controversy.]] Lastly, after the boycott of ''Play Asia'' came up and SJW folks left in droves, the shop's fanbase rose from 9000 to 19000. The InternetBackdraft against the PC Police must have been well justified when so many people side with ''Play Asia'' over this.


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** A Facebook account associated with Tecmo-Koei, while confirming the company's previous statement that ''Xtreme 3'' [[NoExportForYou would not receive an official North American release]], insinuated that one concern might be [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad that the game's sexualization of the female fighters might not go over well in the West]].[[note]]Exact quote in its entirety: “Do you know many issues happening in video game industry with regard to how to treat female in video game industry? We do not want to talk those things here. But certainly we have gone through in last year or two to come to our decision. Thank you” [all sic][[/note]]. Backlash ensued, not so much at the company itself, but at the supposed "PC Police" who were accused of suppressing the game's release by this quasi-official source. Shortly after this, Play-Asia announced that they would be importing Asian-market English-language versions of ''Xtreme 3'' through their site and made remarks on their Twitter about "#SJW nonsense". As might be expected this caused a bit of a FlameWar, with at least one Tumblr page springing up (since removed) calling for a boycott of Play-Asia. [[http://www.polygon.com/2015/12/1/9827456/koei-tecmo-dead-or-alive-xtreme-3-controversy-team-ninja The fact that Tecmo-Koei has distanced itself from the comment on its Facebook account has not slowed down the controversy.]] The proposed boycott appears to have been a non-starter, considering Play Asia's follower count rose from 9000 to 19000 shortly after these events.
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8th Apr '16 8:13:28 AM TheKaizerreich
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** A Facebook account associated with Tecmo-Koei, while confirming the company's previous statement that ''Xtreme 3'' [[NoExportForYou would not receive an official North American release]], insinuated that one concern might be [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad that the game's sexualization of the female fighters might not go over well in the West]].[[note]]Exact quote in its entirety: “Do you know many issues happening in video game industry with regard to how to treat female in video game industry? We do not want to talk those things here. But certainly we have gone through in last year or two to come to our decision. Thank you” [all sic][[/note]]. Backlash ensued, not so much at the company itself, but at the supposed "PC Police" who were accused of suppressing the game's release by this quasi-official source. Shortly after this, Play-Asia announced that they would be importing Asian-market English-language versions of ''Xtreme 3'' through their site and made remarks on their Twitter about "#SJW nonsense". As might be expected this caused a bit of a FlameWar, with at least one Tumblr page springing up (since removed) calling for a boycott of Play-Asia. [[http://www.polygon.com/2015/12/1/9827456/koei-tecmo-dead-or-alive-xtreme-3-controversy-team-ninja The fact that Tecmo-Koei has distanced itself from the comment on its Facebook account has not slowed down the controversy.]]

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** A Facebook account associated with Tecmo-Koei, while confirming the company's previous statement that ''Xtreme 3'' [[NoExportForYou would not receive an official North American release]], insinuated that one concern might be [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad that the game's sexualization of the female fighters might not go over well in the West]].[[note]]Exact quote in its entirety: “Do you know many issues happening in video game industry with regard to how to treat female in video game industry? We do not want to talk those things here. But certainly we have gone through in last year or two to come to our decision. Thank you” [all sic][[/note]]. Backlash ensued, not so much at the company itself, but at the supposed "PC Police" who were accused of suppressing the game's release by this quasi-official source. Shortly after this, Play-Asia announced that they would be importing Asian-market English-language versions of ''Xtreme 3'' through their site and made remarks on their Twitter about "#SJW nonsense". As might be expected this caused a bit of a FlameWar, with at least one Tumblr page springing up (since removed) calling for a boycott of Play-Asia. [[http://www.polygon.com/2015/12/1/9827456/koei-tecmo-dead-or-alive-xtreme-3-controversy-team-ninja The fact that Tecmo-Koei has distanced itself from the comment on its Facebook account has not slowed down the controversy.]] Lastly, after the boycott of ''Play Asia'' came up and SJW folks left in droves, the shop's fanbase rose from 9000 to 19000. The InternetBackdraft against the PC Police must have been well justified when so many people side with ''Play Asia'' over this.
18th Mar '16 2:26:59 AM Malco
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** They also seem to be this with the ''VideoGame/SenranKagura'' fandom. Their latest installment, Estival Versus, even features Ayane as a guest character.

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** They also seem to be this with the ''VideoGame/SenranKagura'' fandom. Their latest installment, Estival Versus, even features Ayane as a guest character. ''[=DOA5LR=]'' also added ''Senran Kagura'' costume DLC.
23rd Feb '16 6:29:17 AM RaustBD
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* CluelessAesop: Lei-Fang's ending in 4 has her being on a train in which her breasts were groped by a middle aged man, causing her to angrily kick him off the train into the river as the crowd cheers her for that while she tries to cover up. Plenty have deemed it to be a tasteless case of AccidentalPervert (in which it can be seen as murder if you're willing to ignore the old SoftWater rule, and even taking that into account merely leaving him stranded in the middle of nowhere and possibly injured with a broken phone would ''still'' make it DisproportionateRetribution), and while some deem it to be lightly amusing and harmless there are those find it to be highly offensive. But one could easily see that ending as a well-intentioned though over the top TakeThat towards perverted men who feel up women in Japanese Subways. Even so people probably would've cringed a lot less if Lei Fang's DOA 4 ending wasn't such a blatant case of AccidentalPervert (it's obvious from the look on his face and his body language that the poor guy was trying to avoid smacking into her).

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* CluelessAesop: Lei-Fang's ending in 4 has her being on a train in which her breasts were groped by a middle aged man, causing her to angrily kick him off the train into the river as the crowd cheers her for that while she tries to cover up. Plenty have deemed it to be a tasteless case of AccidentalPervert (in which it (which can be seen as murder if you're willing to ignore the old SoftWater rule, and even taking that into account merely leaving him stranded in the middle of nowhere and possibly injured with a broken phone would ''still'' make it DisproportionateRetribution), and while some deem it to be lightly amusing and harmless there are those find it to be highly offensive. But one could easily see that ending as a well-intentioned though over the top TakeThat towards perverted men who feel up women in Japanese Subways. Even so people probably would've cringed a lot less if Lei Fang's DOA 4 ending wasn't such a blatant case of AccidentalPervert (it's obvious from the look on his face and his body language that the poor guy was trying to avoid smacking into her).
23rd Feb '16 6:28:35 AM RaustBD
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* CluelessAesop: Lei-Fangs ending in 4 has her being on a train in which her breasts were groped by a middle aged man, causing her to angrily kick him off the train into the river as the crowd cheers her for that while she tries to cover up. Plenty have deemed it to be a tasteless case of AccidentalPervert (in which it can be seen as murder if you're willing to ignore the old SoftWater rule, and even taking that into account merely leaving him stranded in the middle of nowhere and possibly injured with a broken phone would ''still'' make it DisproportionateRetribution), and while some deem it to be lightly amusing and harmless there are those find it to be highly offensive. But one could easily see that ending as a well-intentioned though over the top TakeThat towards perverted men who feel up women in Japanese Subways. Even so people probably would've cringed a lot less if Lei Fang's DOA 4 ending wasn't such a blatant case of AccidentalPervert (it's obvious from the look on his face and his body language that the poor guy was trying to avoid smacking into her).

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* CluelessAesop: Lei-Fangs Lei-Fang's ending in 4 has her being on a train in which her breasts were groped by a middle aged man, causing her to angrily kick him off the train into the river as the crowd cheers her for that while she tries to cover up. Plenty have deemed it to be a tasteless case of AccidentalPervert (in which it can be seen as murder if you're willing to ignore the old SoftWater rule, and even taking that into account merely leaving him stranded in the middle of nowhere and possibly injured with a broken phone would ''still'' make it DisproportionateRetribution), and while some deem it to be lightly amusing and harmless there are those find it to be highly offensive. But one could easily see that ending as a well-intentioned though over the top TakeThat towards perverted men who feel up women in Japanese Subways. Even so people probably would've cringed a lot less if Lei Fang's DOA 4 ending wasn't such a blatant case of AccidentalPervert (it's obvious from the look on his face and his body language that the poor guy was trying to avoid smacking into her).
23rd Feb '16 6:26:28 AM RaustBD
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* CluelessAesop: Lei-Fangs ending in 4 has her being on a train in which her breasts were groped by a middle aged man in which she angrily kicked him off the train into the river as the crowd cheers her for that while she tries to cover up. Plenty have deemed it to be a tasteless case of AccidentalPervert (in which it can be seen as murder if your willing it ignore the old SoftWater rule, and even taking that into account merely leaving him stranded in the middle of nowhere and possibly injured with a broken phone would ''still'' make it DisproportionateRetribution) while some deem it to be lightly amusing and harmless there are those find it to be highly offensive. But one could easily see that ending as a well-intentioned though over the top TakeThat towards perverted men who feel up women in Japanese Subways. Even so people probably would've cringed a lot less if Lei Fang's DOA 4 ending wasn't such a blatant case of AccidentalPervert (it's obvious from the look on his face and his body language that the poor guy was trying to avoid smacking into her).

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* CluelessAesop: Lei-Fangs ending in 4 has her being on a train in which her breasts were groped by a middle aged man in which she man, causing her to angrily kicked kick him off the train into the river as the crowd cheers her for that while she tries to cover up. Plenty have deemed it to be a tasteless case of AccidentalPervert (in which it can be seen as murder if your you're willing it to ignore the old SoftWater rule, and even taking that into account merely leaving him stranded in the middle of nowhere and possibly injured with a broken phone would ''still'' make it DisproportionateRetribution) DisproportionateRetribution), and while some deem it to be lightly amusing and harmless there are those find it to be highly offensive. But one could easily see that ending as a well-intentioned though over the top TakeThat towards perverted men who feel up women in Japanese Subways. Even so people probably would've cringed a lot less if Lei Fang's DOA 4 ending wasn't such a blatant case of AccidentalPervert (it's obvious from the look on his face and his body language that the poor guy was trying to avoid smacking into her).
23rd Feb '16 6:23:40 AM RaustBD
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* CluelessAesop: Lei-Fangs ending in 4 has her being on a train in which her breasts were groped by a middle aged man in which she angrily kicked him off the train into the river as the crowd cheers her for that while she tries to cover up. Plenty have deemed it to be a tasteless case of AccidentalPervert (in which it can be seen as murder if your willing it ignore the old SoftWater rule) while some deem it to be lightly amusing and harmless there are those find it to be highly offensive. But one could easily see that ending as a well-intentioned though over the top TakeThat towards perverted men who feel up women in Japanese Subways. Even so people probably would've cringed a lot less if Lei Fang's DOA 4 ending wasn't such a blatant case of AccidentalPervert (it's obvious from the look on his face and his body language that the poor guy was trying to avoid smacking into her).

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* CluelessAesop: Lei-Fangs ending in 4 has her being on a train in which her breasts were groped by a middle aged man in which she angrily kicked him off the train into the river as the crowd cheers her for that while she tries to cover up. Plenty have deemed it to be a tasteless case of AccidentalPervert (in which it can be seen as murder if your willing it ignore the old SoftWater rule) rule, and even taking that into account merely leaving him stranded in the middle of nowhere and possibly injured with a broken phone would ''still'' make it DisproportionateRetribution) while some deem it to be lightly amusing and harmless there are those find it to be highly offensive. But one could easily see that ending as a well-intentioned though over the top TakeThat towards perverted men who feel up women in Japanese Subways. Even so people probably would've cringed a lot less if Lei Fang's DOA 4 ending wasn't such a blatant case of AccidentalPervert (it's obvious from the look on his face and his body language that the poor guy was trying to avoid smacking into her).
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