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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: While the film does make fun of liberals in a heavy handed way, can the film be viewed as portraying conservatives as being viciously pro-war with its anti-war equals anti-patriotism message to the point that conservatives come off just as cartoony as liberals?

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: While the film does make fun of liberals in a heavy handed way, can the film be viewed as portraying conservatives as being viciously pro-war with its anti-war equals anti-patriotism message to the point that conservatives come off just as cartoony as liberals?



* StrawmanHasAPoint: Even Creator/MichaelMoore's fiercest critics were put off by this portrayal, noting that while many hate his methods and character, they have some level of respect for his views. In fact, much of Moore's criticism comes from [[DontShootTheMessage people who agree with his core positions yet dislike the inaccuracies in his documentaries,]] [[http://www.avclub.com/article/america-hating-flag-burning-commie-pinko-case-file-72981/ including]] Creator/NathanRabin.[[note]]As such, Rabin thought TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot.[[/note]]

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* QuestionableCasting: If one put together a list of actors one would expect to see play General George Patton, Creator/KelseyGrammer most likely would be well down the list.
* StrawmanHasAPoint: Even Creator/MichaelMoore's fiercest critics were put off by this portrayal, noting that while many hate his methods and character, they have some level of respect for his views. In fact, much of Moore's criticism comes from [[DontShootTheMessage people who agree with his core positions yet dislike the inaccuracies in his documentaries,]] [[http://www.documentaries]], [[https://www.avclub.com/article/america-hating-flag-burning-commie-pinko-case-file-72981/ com/america-hating-flag-burning-commie-pinko-case-file-14-1798231020 including]] Creator/NathanRabin.[[note]]As such, Rabin thought TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot.[[/note]]



* WTHCastingAgency: If one put together a list of actors one would expect to see play General George Patton, Creator/KelseyGrammer most likely would be well down the list.
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* AcceptableTargets
** Most obviously, Creator/MichaelMoore. The {{Expy}} of Michael in the film is depicted as pompous, selfish, rude, ignorant and hateful, commonly being used as a [[TheChewToy punching bag]] for the majority of the film. Michael Moore on ''Larry King Live'' actually [[http://www.mrctv.org/videos/what-michael-moore-thinks-american-carol responded to the film]], [[DeadpanSnarker joking]] that he hoped actor Creator/ViggoMortensen was going to portray him. His wish for the film was that he hoped it was funny.
** Liberals in general, specifically antiwar advocates and the American Civil Liberties Union.
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* PoorMansSubstitute: Kevin Farley bears a very strong resemblance to his dearly departed brother Creator/{{Chris|Farley}}.

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* PoorMansSubstitute: Kevin Farley Creator/KevinFarley bears a very strong resemblance to his dearly departed brother Creator/{{Chris|Farley}}.
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1. Hardly a far-right message 2. Zero Context Example


* {{Anvilicious}}: To say that this movie is nothing but a far-right polemic would be an understatement. Many critics on ''both'' sides of the political spectrum felt that the hammering of the message got in the way of the jokes.

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* {{Anvilicious}}: To say that this movie is nothing but a far-right neoconservative polemic would be an understatement. Many critics on ''both'' sides of the political spectrum felt that the hammering of the message got in the way of the jokes.



* HarsherInHindsight: The (imaginary) surrender ceremony on the USS ''Missouri''.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Given what a divisive figure he is even to those who fully agree with his views, a film parodying Michael Moore is a good idea in theory. But the result here skips over any of the common criticisms of his work and resorts to fat jokes and accusing him of "hating America" endlessly.
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Even Creator/MichaelMoore's fiercest critics were put off by this portrayal, noting that while many hate his methods and character, they have some level of respect for his views. In fact, much of Moore's criticism comes from people who agree with his core positions yet dislike the inaccuracies in his documentaries, [[http://www.avclub.com/article/america-hating-flag-burning-commie-pinko-case-file-72981/ including]] Creator/NathanRabin.[[note]]As such, Rabin thought TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot.[[/note]]

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Even Creator/MichaelMoore's fiercest critics were put off by this portrayal, noting that while many hate his methods and character, they have some level of respect for his views. In fact, much of Moore's criticism comes from [[DontShootTheMessage people who agree with his core positions yet dislike the inaccuracies in his documentaries, documentaries,]] [[http://www.avclub.com/article/america-hating-flag-burning-commie-pinko-case-file-72981/ including]] Creator/NathanRabin.[[note]]As such, Rabin thought TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot.[[/note]]
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Even Creator/MichaelMoore's fiercest critics were put off by this portrayal, noting that while many hate his methods and character, they have some level of respect for his views. In fact, much of Moore's criticism comes from people who agree with his core positions yet dislike the [[CriticalResearchFailure inaccuracies in his documentaries]], [[http://www.avclub.com/article/america-hating-flag-burning-commie-pinko-case-file-72981/ including]] Creator/NathanRabin.[[note]]As such, Rabin thought TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot.[[/note]]

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Even Creator/MichaelMoore's fiercest critics were put off by this portrayal, noting that while many hate his methods and character, they have some level of respect for his views. In fact, much of Moore's criticism comes from people who agree with his core positions yet dislike the [[CriticalResearchFailure inaccuracies in his documentaries]], documentaries, [[http://www.avclub.com/article/america-hating-flag-burning-commie-pinko-case-file-72981/ including]] Creator/NathanRabin.[[note]]As such, Rabin thought TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot.[[/note]]
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Sentence was clearly supposed to be a question.


* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: While the film does make fun of liberals in a heavy handed way, can the film be viewed as portraying conservatives as being viciously pro-war with its anti-war equals anti-patriotism message to the point that conservatives come off just as cartoony as liberals.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: While the film does make fun of liberals in a heavy handed way, can the film be viewed as portraying conservatives as being viciously pro-war with its anti-war equals anti-patriotism message to the point that conservatives come off just as cartoony as liberals.liberals?
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: While the film does make fun of liberals in a heavy handed way, can the film be viewed as portraying conservatives as being viciously Pro-War with its anti-war equals anti-patriotism message to the point that conservatives come off just as cartoony as liberals.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: While the film does make fun of liberals in a heavy handed way, can the film be viewed as portraying conservatives as being viciously Pro-War pro-war with its anti-war equals anti-patriotism message to the point that conservatives come off just as cartoony as liberals.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: While the film does make fun of liberals in a heavy handed way, can the film be viewed as portraying conservatives as being viciously Pro-War with its anti-war equals anti-patriotism message to the point that conservatives come off just as cartoony as liberals.
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movie has nothing to do with Trump


* HilariousInHindsight: The sequence where the attendees at Malone's rally endlessly parrot back everything he says became this when Trump supporters started doing the ''exact same thing''.
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* HilariousInHindsight: The sequence where the attendees at Malone's rally endlessly parrot back everything he says became this when the Occupy movement started doing the ''exact same thing''.

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* HilariousInHindsight: The sequence where the attendees at Malone's rally endlessly parrot back everything he says became this when the Occupy movement Trump supporters started doing the ''exact same thing''.
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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop
** All the great things in America's history comes from war, and if you're against it in any way, you're no better than ThoseWackyNazis or [[UsefulNotes/TheWarOnTerror Bin Laden.]]
*** Though the intended message may have been more along the lines of, America opposes tyranny and oppression and isn't the source of them.
** Similarly, if you disagree with the Patriot Act or other measures, then you are spitting on the memory of innocent victims of terrorism (''Website/TheOnion Website/AVClub'' singled out this mindset as one of the movie's crimes when featuring it as one of their "Commentary Tracks of the Damned").
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** All the great things in America's history comes from war, and if you're against it in any way, you're no better than ThoseWackyNazis or [[TheWarOnTerror Bin Laden.]]

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** All the great things in America's history comes from war, and if you're against it in any way, you're no better than ThoseWackyNazis or [[TheWarOnTerror [[UsefulNotes/TheWarOnTerror Bin Laden.]]

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* {{Narm}} / NarmCharm: Depending on whether you like the movie's style of humor.



* StrawmanHasAPoint / DontShootTheMessage: Even Creator/MichaelMoore's fiercest critics were put off by this portrayal, noting that while many hate his methods and character, they have some level of respect for his views. In fact, much of Moore's criticism comes from people who agree with his core positions yet dislike the [[CriticalResearchFailure inaccuracies in his documentaries]], [[http://www.avclub.com/article/america-hating-flag-burning-commie-pinko-case-file-72981/ including]] Creator/NathanRabin.[[note]]As such, Rabin thought TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot.[[/note]]

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* StrawmanHasAPoint / DontShootTheMessage: StrawmanHasAPoint: Even Creator/MichaelMoore's fiercest critics were put off by this portrayal, noting that while many hate his methods and character, they have some level of respect for his views. In fact, much of Moore's criticism comes from people who agree with his core positions yet dislike the [[CriticalResearchFailure inaccuracies in his documentaries]], [[http://www.avclub.com/article/america-hating-flag-burning-commie-pinko-case-file-72981/ including]] Creator/NathanRabin.[[note]]As such, Rabin thought TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot.[[/note]]
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* EarWorm: "1968"
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** Similarly if you disagree with the Patriot Act or other measures, then you are spitting on the memory of innocent victims of terrorism (''Website/TheOnion Website/AVClub'' singled out this mindset as one of the movie's crimes when featuring it as one of their "Commentary Tracks of the Damned").

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** Similarly Similarly, if you disagree with the Patriot Act or other measures, then you are spitting on the memory of innocent victims of terrorism (''Website/TheOnion Website/AVClub'' singled out this mindset as one of the movie's crimes when featuring it as one of their "Commentary Tracks of the Damned").

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* StrawmanHasAPoint / DontShootTheMessage: Even Creator/MichaelMoore's fiercest critics were put off by this portrayal, noting that while many hate his methods and character, they have some level of respect for his views. In fact, much of Moore's criticism comes from people who agree with his core positions yet dislike the [[CriticalResearchFailure inaccuracies in his documentaries]], [[http://www.avclub.com/article/america-hating-flag-burning-commie-pinko-case-file-72981/ including]] Creator/NathanRabin.[[note]]As such, Rabin thought TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot.
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* StrawmanHasAPoint / DontShootTheMessage: Even Creator/MichaelMoore's fiercest critics were put off by this portrayal, noting that while many hate his methods and character, they have some level of respect for his views. In fact, much of Moore's criticism comes from people who agree with his core positions yet dislike the [[CriticalResearchFailure inaccuracies in his documentaries]], [[http://www.avclub.com/article/america-hating-flag-burning-commie-pinko-case-file-72981/ including]] Creator/NathanRabin.[[note]]As such, Rabin thought TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot.
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* StrawmanHasAPoint / DontShootTheMessage: Even Creator/MichaelMoore's fiercest critics were put off by this portrayal, noting that while many hate his methods and character, they have some level of respect for his views. In fact, much of Moore's criticism comes from people who agree with his core positions yet dislike the [[CriticalResearchFailure inaccuracies in his documentaries]], [[http://www.avclub.com/article/america-hating-flag-burning-commie-pinko-case-file-72981/ including]] Creator/NathanRabin.[[note]]As such, Rabin thought TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot.[[/note]]

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* StrawmanHasAPoint / DontShootTheMessage: Even Creator/MichaelMoore's fiercest critics were put off by this portrayal, noting that while many hate his methods and character, they have some level of respect for his views. In fact, much of Moore's criticism comes from people who agree with his core positions yet dislike the [[CriticalResearchFailure inaccuracies in his documentaries]], [[http://www.avclub.com/article/america-hating-flag-burning-commie-pinko-case-file-72981/ including]] Creator/NathanRabin.[[note]]As such, Rabin thought TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot.[[/note]]TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot.
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* WTHCastingAgency: If one put together a list of actors one would expect to see play General George Patton, Creator/KelseyGrammer most likely would be well down the list.
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: The pro-war message does not exactly endear this movie towards those who do not agree with it's politics, and the crude humor is a turn-off for many conservatives.

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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: The pro-war message does not exactly endear this movie towards those who do not agree with it's its politics, and the crude humor is a turn-off for many conservatives.
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** Though the intended message may have been more along the lines of, America opposes tyranny and oppression and isn't the source of them.

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** *** Though the intended message may have been more along the lines of, America opposes tyranny and oppression and isn't the source of them.
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** Most obviously, Creator/MichaelMoore Michael Moore]]. The {{Expy}} of Michael in the film is depicted as pompous, selfish, rude, ignorant and hateful, commonly being used as a [[TheChewToy punching bag]] for the majority of the film. Michael Moore on ''Larry King Live'' actually [[http://www.mrctv.org/videos/what-michael-moore-thinks-american-carol responded to the film]], [[DeadpanSnarker joking]] that he hoped actor Creator/ViggoMortensen was going to portray him. His wish for the film was that he hoped it was funny.

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** Most obviously, Creator/MichaelMoore Michael Moore]].Creator/MichaelMoore. The {{Expy}} of Michael in the film is depicted as pompous, selfish, rude, ignorant and hateful, commonly being used as a [[TheChewToy punching bag]] for the majority of the film. Michael Moore on ''Larry King Live'' actually [[http://www.mrctv.org/videos/what-michael-moore-thinks-american-carol responded to the film]], [[DeadpanSnarker joking]] that he hoped actor Creator/ViggoMortensen was going to portray him. His wish for the film was that he hoped it was funny.



* {{Anvilicious}}: To say that this movie is nothing but a far-right polemic would be an understatement. Many critics felt that the hammering of the message got in the way of the jokes.
* AudienceAlienatingPremise: The pro-war message does not exactly endear this movie to liberals, and the crude humor is a turn-off for many conservatives.
* CriticalDissonance: Critics, both liberal and conservative, were not too kind to the film upon its release. However, the film has found somewhat of an audience and defenders in the conservative populace. There are also people without much of a voice in politics who simply found the film funny.

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* {{Anvilicious}}: To say that this movie is nothing but a far-right polemic would be an understatement. Many critics on ''both'' sides of the political spectrum felt that the hammering of the message got in the way of the jokes.
* AudienceAlienatingPremise: The pro-war message does not exactly endear this movie to liberals, towards those who do not agree with it's politics, and the crude humor is a turn-off for many conservatives.
* CriticalDissonance: Critics, both liberal and ''and'' conservative, were not too kind to the film upon its release. However, the film has found somewhat of an audience and defenders in the conservative populace. There are also people without much of a voice in politics who simply found the film funny.
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* AcceptableTargets:
** Well, for starters: [[Creator/MichaelMoore Michael Moore]]. The {{Expy}} of Michael in the film is depicted as pompous, selfish, rude, ignorant and hateful, commonly being used as a [[TheChewToy punching bag]] for the majority of the film. Michael Moore on Larry King Live actually [[http://www.mrctv.org/videos/what-michael-moore-thinks-american-carol responded to the film]], jokingly believing that actor [[Creator/ViggoMortensen Viggo Mortensen]] was going to portray him. His wish for the film was that he hoped it was funny.
** Liberals in general, specifically anti-war supporters and the ACLU.

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* AcceptableTargets:
AcceptableTargets
** Well, for starters: [[Creator/MichaelMoore Most obviously, Creator/MichaelMoore Michael Moore]]. The {{Expy}} of Michael in the film is depicted as pompous, selfish, rude, ignorant and hateful, commonly being used as a [[TheChewToy punching bag]] for the majority of the film. Michael Moore on Larry ''Larry King Live Live'' actually [[http://www.mrctv.org/videos/what-michael-moore-thinks-american-carol responded to the film]], jokingly believing [[DeadpanSnarker joking]] that he hoped actor [[Creator/ViggoMortensen Viggo Mortensen]] Creator/ViggoMortensen was going to portray him. His wish for the film was that he hoped it was funny.
funny.
** Liberals in general, specifically anti-war supporters antiwar advocates and the ACLU. American Civil Liberties Union.



* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop:
** All the great things in America's history comes from war, and if you're against it in any way, you're no better than ThoseWackyNazis or [[TheWarOnTerror Bin Laden]].
** Though the intended message may have been more along the lines of, America opposes tyranny and oppression and isn't the source of them.
** Similarly if you disagree with the Patriot Act or other measures, then you are spitting on the memory of innocent victims of terrorism (''Website/TheOnion'' singled out this mindset as one of the movie's crimes when featuring it as one of their "Commentary Tracks Of The Damned").
* HarsherInHindsight: The (imaginary) surrender ceremony on the USS Missouri.

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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop:
FamilyUnfriendlyAesop
** All the great things in America's history comes from war, and if you're against it in any way, you're no better than ThoseWackyNazis or [[TheWarOnTerror Bin Laden]].
Laden.]]
** Though the intended message may have been more along the lines of, America opposes tyranny and oppression and isn't the source of them.
them.
** Similarly if you disagree with the Patriot Act or other measures, then you are spitting on the memory of innocent victims of terrorism (''Website/TheOnion'' (''Website/TheOnion Website/AVClub'' singled out this mindset as one of the movie's crimes when featuring it as one of their "Commentary Tracks Of The of the Damned").
* HarsherInHindsight: The (imaginary) surrender ceremony on the USS Missouri. ''Missouri''.



* {{Narm}}/ NarmCharm: Depending on whether you like the movie's style of humor.
* OneSceneWonder: Jon Voight as UsefulNotes/GeorgeWashington. Widely regarded as the high point of the film.
* PoorMansSubstitute: Kevin Farley bears a very strong resemblance to his dearly departed brother Chris.
* StrawmanHasAPoint / DontShootTheMessage: Even Creator/MichaelMoore's fiercest critics were put off by this portrayal, noting that while many hate his methods and character, they have some level of respect for his views. In fact, much of Moore's criticism comes from people who agree with his core positions yet dislike his [[CriticalResearchFailure lack of accuracy in his documentary]].

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* {{Narm}}/ {{Narm}} / NarmCharm: Depending on whether you like the movie's style of humor.
humor.
* OneSceneWonder: Jon Voight Creator/JonVoight as UsefulNotes/GeorgeWashington. Widely regarded as the high point of the film.
* PoorMansSubstitute: Kevin Farley bears a very strong resemblance to his dearly departed brother Chris.
Creator/{{Chris|Farley}}.
* StrawmanHasAPoint / DontShootTheMessage: Even Creator/MichaelMoore's fiercest critics were put off by this portrayal, noting that while many hate his methods and character, they have some level of respect for his views. In fact, much of Moore's criticism comes from people who agree with his core positions yet dislike his the [[CriticalResearchFailure lack of accuracy inaccuracies in his documentary]].documentaries]], [[http://www.avclub.com/article/america-hating-flag-burning-commie-pinko-case-file-72981/ including]] Creator/NathanRabin.[[note]]As such, Rabin thought TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot.[[/note]]
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* CriticalDissonance: Critics, both liberal and conservative, were not too kind to the film upon its release. However, the film has found somewhat of an audience and defenders in the conservative populous. There are also people without much of a voice in politics who simply found the film funny.

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* CriticalDissonance: Critics, both liberal and conservative, were not too kind to the film upon its release. However, the film has found somewhat of an audience and defenders in the conservative populous.populace. There are also people without much of a voice in politics who simply found the film funny.
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* {{Hatedom}}: Their are some critics who seem to loathe the movie outright, both liberal and some conservative.



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* Hatedom: {{Hatedom}}: Their are some critics who seem to loathe the movie outright, both liberal and some conservative.
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* Hatedom: Their are some critics who seem to loathe the movie outright, both liberal and some conservative.



* {{Narm}}/ NarmCharm: Depending on whether you like the movie's style of humor.



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* StrawmanHasAPoint / DontShootTheMessage: Even Creator/MichaelMoore's fiercest critics were put off by this portrayal, noting that while many hate his methods and character, they have some level of respect for his views. In fact, much of Moore's criticism comes from people who agree with him.

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* StrawmanHasAPoint / DontShootTheMessage: Even Creator/MichaelMoore's fiercest critics were put off by this portrayal, noting that while many hate his methods and character, they have some level of respect for his views. In fact, much of Moore's criticism comes from people who agree with him.his core positions yet dislike his [[CriticalResearchFailure lack of accuracy in his documentary]].

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* HillariousInHindsight: The sequence where the attendees at Malone's rally endlessly parrot back everything he says became this when the Occupy movement started doing the ''exact same thing''.

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* HillariousInHindsight: HarsherInHindsight: The (imaginary) surrender ceremony on the USS Missouri.
* HilariousInHindsight:
The sequence where the attendees at Malone's rally endlessly parrot back everything he says became this when the Occupy movement started doing the ''exact same thing''.

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