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All guesses pertaining to the first games should be placed [[WMG/PokemonBlackandWhite here]].

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WildMassGuessing for ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2''. All guesses pertaining to the first games should be placed [[WMG/PokemonBlackandWhite here]].
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** It seems you may be right with the recent revelation that he [[spoiler: gives up being evil and tries to redeem himself after you beat the game]]. And he seems to be subjected to EvilIsSexy so even if he was a complete monster that surpased Ghetsis, he would receive this.

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** It seems you may be right with the recent revelation that he [[spoiler: gives up being evil and tries to redeem himself after you beat the game]]. And he seems to be subjected to EvilIsSexy considered sexy, so even if he was a complete monster that surpased Ghetsis, he would receive this.
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He and the player will go in Ghetsis's base to stop the evil plan, but some will go wrong. relizing it is the only way to save the day N will die to stop Ghetsis, resulting in his Villainous Breakdown, allowing the player to finish the stoping the plan. I don't think they would really do this but it would be in charater and a surpising plot twist

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He and the player will go in Ghetsis's base to stop the evil plan, but some will go wrong. relizing realizing it is the only way to save the day N will die to stop Ghetsis, resulting in his Villainous Breakdown, allowing the player to finish the stoping the plan. I don't think they would really do this but it would be in charater character and a surpising surprising plot twist
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* Certainly seems likely... One can acheive much in two years...

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* Certainly seems likely... One can acheive achieve much in two years...
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[[WMG: Charles is Nate/Rosa's father.]]
Nate/Rosa's mother has as a backstory that she used to work the counter at various Pokémon Centers before she settled down in Aspertia. You can call her throughout the game, and as you call her from different cities she will tell you about stuff she learned while working at said cities... Except for Driftveil, where she says "Boy, I sure don't know much about it!". Driftveil is also stated to be home to Charles, said to be a famous heartbreaker. She could have gotten seduced and dumped by Charles, gotten pregnant in the process, and wouldn't want to relive those memories/tell her kid about such a seedy story.
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* Given her characterization and how she had an OverprotectiveDad, combined with what happened to Unova, could lead to either HarsherInHindsight or UnfortunateImplications. EDIT (from same poster): Unless it was the direct result of someone else's actions...

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* Given her characterization and how she had an OverprotectiveDad, HelicopterParents, combined with what happened to Unova, could lead to either HarsherInHindsight or UnfortunateImplications. EDIT (from same poster): Unless it was the direct result of someone else's actions...
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If you choose to play as Hilbert, then Hilda will appear as the hero who befriended Reshiram/Zekrom and defeated N some time prior to the new games' events. And vice-versa. That would explain why the opposite gender character was SchroedingersPlayerCharacter in ''Black and White'', breaking the tradition set up back in ''Ruby and Sapphire'': [[GenderNeutralWriting they]] couldn't play an important role yet, [[GenderNeutralWriting they]] will be the hero of the sequel.

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If you choose to play as Hilbert, then Hilda will appear as the hero who befriended Reshiram/Zekrom and defeated N some time prior to the new games' events. And vice-versa. That would explain why the opposite gender character was SchroedingersPlayerCharacter in ''Black and White'', breaking the tradition set up back in ''Ruby and Sapphire'': [[GenderNeutralWriting they]] they couldn't play an important role yet, [[GenderNeutralWriting they]] they will be the hero of the sequel.
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* [[Tropers/DonaldthePotholer My]] question in response: Would that trauma have prevented them from allying with Rood [[spoiler:and N]] upon hearing about his rebellion/reformation? I mean, it sounds like a great opportunity for such {{NobleDemon}}s to take a HeelFaceTurn along with a fellow ND. On the other hand, if so, we may have further reason [[MirandaRights for them not to have outed themselves]], that is there would be no gain and the reopening of legal issues. After all, unlike other places, [[WeAllLiveInAmerica Unova actually is America]].

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* [[Tropers/DonaldthePotholer My]] question in response: Would that trauma have prevented them from allying with Rood [[spoiler:and N]] upon hearing about his rebellion/reformation? I mean, it sounds like a great opportunity for such {{NobleDemon}}s to take a HeelFaceTurn along with a fellow ND. On the other hand, if so, we may have further reason [[MirandaRights for them not to have outed themselves]], that is there would be no gain and the reopening of legal issues. After all, unlike other places, [[WeAllLiveInAmerica Unova actually is America]].America.
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[[WMG: Possible {{Bonus Boss}}es (and {{Previous Player Character Cameo}}s) for the upcoming ContinuityCavalcade]]

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[[WMG: Possible {{Bonus Boss}}es bonus bosses (and {{Previous Player Character Cameo}}s) for the upcoming ContinuityCavalcade]]
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[[WMG: [[PreviousPlayerCharacterCameo Hilbert/Hilda]] will the a BonusBoss[=/=]TrueFinalBoss, like [[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver Red]].]]

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[[WMG: [[PreviousPlayerCharacterCameo Hilbert/Hilda]] will the be a BonusBoss[=/=]TrueFinalBoss, bonus boss[=/=]TrueFinalBoss, like [[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver Red]].]]



*** Nope. Red is a BonusBoss, appearing in the Pokemon World Tournament. Achroma is the TrueFinalBoss, wrapping up the Team Plasma storyline.

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*** Nope. Red is a BonusBoss, an OptionalBoss, appearing in the Pokemon World Tournament. Achroma is the TrueFinalBoss, wrapping up the Team Plasma storyline.



[[WMG: [[VideoGame/PokemonColosseum Wes or Michael]] will appear as a BonusBoss depending on which version you play.]]

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[[WMG: [[VideoGame/PokemonColosseum Wes or Michael]] will appear as a BonusBoss an OptionalBoss depending on which version you play.]]
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*** [[UpToEleven Jossed like there was no tomorrow]]. Some of the old Gym Leaders have new animation, some have the old animation, but it's smoother (like Blue's), therefore Game Freak is not lazy.

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*** [[UpToEleven Jossed like there was no tomorrow]].tomorrow. Some of the old Gym Leaders have new animation, some have the old animation, but it's smoother (like Blue's), therefore Game Freak is not lazy.
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[[WMG: Colress is [[{{Asexuality}} Asexual]].]]

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[[WMG: Colress is [[{{Asexuality}} Asexual]].asexual.]]
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* ....There are some things that shouldn't be in a Pokemon game, [[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment let's just leave it at that.]]

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* ....* There are some things that shouldn't be in a Pokemon game, [[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment let's just leave it at that.]]
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[[WMG: Ghetsis was interested in Kyurem since before the first game.]]
Given N's age Ghetsis has been scheming to take over Unova for at least a decade, and he's shown to have interest in a variety of things that could be useful like the Abyssal Ruins and the Creation Trio's signature items, which the Shadow Triad give you in the first Black and White game. It'd make sense for someone [[AmbitionIsEvil as ambitious as Ghetsis]] to have something to aid his "use N and Reshiram/Zekrom as a pawn" plan or serve as back-up in case of a SpannerInTheWorks. Unlike Reshiram and Zekrom Kyurem isn't sealed away and doesn't require some character trait Ghetsis lacks to take control of, so why not try? Simple; [[BullyingADragon he did but Kyurem was too much to handle]]. Ghetsis is almost never seen with his left arm visible, and about the only time we do it's discolored. Concept art shows the eye under the eyepiece is surrounded by a scar without a brow. Perhaps these injuries were caused by him trying and failing to control Kyurem, and it's only with Colress' help that he succeeds a second time.
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* I'd rather her be {{Transgender}}..

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* I'd rather her be {{Transgender}}..Transgender..
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** They got away with [[NightmareFuel worse]] in VideoGame/PokemonMysteryDungeon. As long as they NeverSayDie, they'll [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar get away with an E rating.]]

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** They got away with [[NightmareFuel worse]] in VideoGame/PokemonMysteryDungeon. As long as they NeverSayDie, they'll [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar get away with an E rating.]]
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This theory presumes the "Two different Shadow Triads" theory in the Character section, but does not require the first one to be the Straiton Triplets. Seeing [[MistreatmentInducedBetrayal what happened at the Castle]] perhaps gave the (first) Triad [[HeelRealization a notion]] of what Ghetsis would do if he still possessed the orbs. What they reported to the ([=B1W1=]) Player about Ghetsis dismissing them was probably a HalfTruth, said Triad having an idea just ''what'' Ghetsis's reaction [[VillainousBreakdown would be]].

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This theory presumes the "Two different Shadow Triads" theory in the Character section, but does not require the first one to be the Straiton Triplets. Seeing [[MistreatmentInducedBetrayal what happened at the Castle]] perhaps gave the (first) Triad [[HeelRealization a notion]] of what Ghetsis would do if he still possessed the orbs. What they reported to the ([=B1W1=]) Player about Ghetsis dismissing them was probably a HalfTruth, MetaphoricallyTrue, said Triad having an idea just ''what'' Ghetsis's reaction [[VillainousBreakdown would be]].
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* JediTruth time: They ''are'' new.... to Unova. The new additions to the Dex are from previous generations.

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* JediTruth MetaphoricallyTrue time: They ''are'' new.... to Unova. The new additions to the Dex are from previous generations.
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* Who says the capture attempt had to be ''successful''? If Kyurem is as ferocious as you claim, wouldn't he just resist capture from everything outside of a Master Ball (which would already have been used on Hilly's Dragon at the end of the last game) and [[SuddenSequelDeathSyndrome just do the deed there]]? NiceJobBreakingItHero, Legendaries [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop are not supposed to be]] ''[[EvilIsNotAToy pets]]''. Also would explain how the hero's Dragon is lost because the hero didn't bring it here (and retained ''some'' measure of wisdom...)\\

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* Who says the capture attempt had to be ''successful''? If Kyurem is as ferocious as you claim, wouldn't he just resist capture from everything outside of a Master Ball (which would already have been used on Hilly's Dragon at the end of the last game) and [[SuddenSequelDeathSyndrome just do the deed there]]? NiceJobBreakingItHero, Legendaries [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop are not supposed to be]] be ''[[EvilIsNotAToy pets]]''. Also would explain how the hero's Dragon is lost because the hero didn't bring it here (and retained ''some'' measure of wisdom...)\\
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*** Taking it even further, as Gym Leaders of at least Sinnoh and Kanto ([[CaptainObvious and of course Hoenn]]) got refreshed sprites for overworld. Plus Giovanni, Lance and Red.

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*** Taking it even further, as Gym Leaders of at least Sinnoh and Kanto ([[CaptainObvious and (and of course Hoenn]]) Hoenn) got refreshed sprites for overworld. Plus Giovanni, Lance and Red.
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** ''Manga/PokemonSpecial'' has them using masks with the same shading as the elemental monkeys, as well as the masks bottom outline matching the same monkey and them using the same typing as the Striaton trio.

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** ''Manga/PokemonSpecial'' ''Manga/PokemonAdventures'' has them using masks with the same shading as the elemental monkeys, as well as the masks bottom outline matching the same monkey and them using the same typing as the Striaton trio.




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* ....There are some things that shouldn't be in a Pokemon game, [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement let's just leave it at that.]]

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* ....There are some things that shouldn't be in a Pokemon game, [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement [[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment let's just leave it at that.]]
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[[WMG: Akuroma will be part of Ghetsis's FiveBadBand.]]
Assuming there would be enough members, that is. Either way, Akuroma could be TheStarscream (his quote in the animated promo states that he disagrees with Team Plasma's beliefs, yet he was seen in a Team Plasma base of some sort), as well as TheEvilGenius, because he's an ObviouslyEvil researcher.

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[[WMG: Akuroma will be part of Ghetsis's FiveBadBand.team.]]
Assuming there would be enough members, that is. Either way, Akuroma could be TheStarscream (his quote in the animated promo states that he disagrees with Team Plasma's beliefs, yet he was seen in a Team Plasma base of some sort), as well as TheEvilGenius, because he's an ObviouslyEvil researcher.
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[[WMG: Hilbert/Hilda is dead and Nate/Rosa is their [[KingdomHearts Nobody.]]]]

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[[WMG: Hilbert/Hilda is dead and Nate/Rosa is their [[KingdomHearts [[Franchise/KingdomHearts Nobody.]]]]
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** Or maybe he'll get the [[CrowningMusicofAwesome Kanto legendary theme]].

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** Or maybe he'll get the [[CrowningMusicofAwesome [[SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic Kanto legendary theme]].
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[[WMG: Ghetsis' FreakOut at the end was from a sliver of actual compassion.]]
Maybe it's just me and watching Pokemon Generations, but Ghetsis seemed genuinely emotional and distraught when N was begging from him to have a HeelRealization. Though N was almost completely a tool from the start, he ended up gaining a very tiny but present thread of genuine love for N; it's kind of hard not to even for such a ManipulativeBastard when he raised N like a son. [[EvilCannotComprehendGood The inability to understand how he could feel anything for N]], coupled with the fact that [[DontYouDarePityMe N could show compassion towards him for all he did]] was too much to handle and was the final nail on the coffin for his sanity.

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[[WMG: The Shadow Triad are Ghetsis' FreakOut at the end was from a sliver of actual compassion.biological children.]]
Maybe it's just me and watching Pokemon Generations, but Ghetsis seemed genuinely emotional and distraught when N was begging from him to have a HeelRealization. Though N was almost They're about the only truly loyal allies of his even after he completely a tool from loses his mind. They state that they're loyal due to him saving his life, but given [[TheSociopath what Ghetsis is like]] the start, only realistic reasons why he ended up gaining a very tiny but present thread would do this was either to make them indebted to him, or they're actual family and thus the only people he'd have any sliver of genuine love for N; it's kind of hard not attachment to. Ghetsis appears old enough to even for such a ManipulativeBastard have adult children. Their hair is either dyed to fit the ninja theme, or Ghetsis is naturally white-haired and dyed his hair so he looks like N(explaining the resemblance if N doesn't share any blood). Being his children also makes them his caretakers, which is why they take him away when he raised N like a son. [[EvilCannotComprehendGood The inability reduced to understand how he could feel anything for N]], coupled with the fact that [[DontYouDarePityMe N could show compassion towards him for all he did]] was too much to handle and was the final nail on the coffin for his sanity.a non-functioning state.

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