History WMG / KyonBigDamnHero

29th Oct '16 6:27:23 PM nombretomado
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So the IDSE is Eliezer Yudkowsky. Or [[HarryPotterAndTheMethodsOfRationality Rational!Harry's]] send back through time AI.

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So the IDSE is Eliezer Yudkowsky. Or [[HarryPotterAndTheMethodsOfRationality [[Fanfic/HarryPotterAndTheMethodsOfRationality Rational!Harry's]] send back through time AI.
11th Jun '16 6:14:26 PM nombretomado
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These are the stars linked to the legend of [[{{Tanabata}} Tanabata]] (Vega and Altair represent Orihime and Hikoboshi respectively). This was mentioned in detail at the start of the story ''Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody'' of the [[{{canon}} light novels]].\\

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These are the stars linked to the legend of [[{{Tanabata}} Tanabata]] UsefulNotes/{{Tanabata}} (Vega and Altair represent Orihime and Hikoboshi respectively). This was mentioned in detail at the start of the story ''Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody'' of the [[{{canon}} light novels]].\\
28th May '16 5:14:22 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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[[WMG:Haruhi is going to be reading [[MahouSenseiNegima Negima]] at some point.]]

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[[WMG:Haruhi is going to be reading [[MahouSenseiNegima [[Manga/MahouSenseiNegima Negima]] at some point.]]
9th Feb '16 4:09:44 AM GrammarNavi
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As bonus, both names are guns' names in the [[{{PlaystationTwo}} PS2]]'s game VideoGame/FinalFantasyXII. The game was released during 2006 (at the end of the chapter thirty one, the date in-story appears to be May 21, 2011) and Kyon owns the game system according to the story, so it's not unthinkable for him to know about this.

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As bonus, both names are guns' names in the [[{{PlaystationTwo}} PS2]]'s [[UsefulNotes/PlayStation2 PS2]] game VideoGame/FinalFantasyXII. The game was released during 2006 (at the end of the chapter thirty one, the date in-story appears to be May 21, 2011) and Kyon owns the game system according to the story, so it's not unthinkable for him to know about this.
6th Jan '16 7:18:30 AM Willbyr
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* I had an epiphany a few moments ago and I came to this exact conclusion (Well, the part about Evil!Kanae being made up of all the overwritten Kanaes. the rest... not sure). The entire Kyon: Big Damn Hero fanfiction has, at least, dozens of parallels and references to ''VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry'' (Read the very first FictionalDocument in the InMediasRes prologue, it makes a reference to the HatePlague in ''Higurashi'' right off the bat). In Higurashi, there is a lot of speculation on who exactly Bernkastel is and how she is related to Rika Furude. The popular theory is that Bernkastel is made up of all of the Rikas who have died and overwritten by the Rika traveling world to world with Hanyuu. Bernkastel, who was made from all the overwritten Rikas also traveled the worlds, making changes to those worlds. If [[VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry Higurashi!Bernkastel]] and [[VisualNovel/UminekoNoNakuKoroNi Umineko!Bernkastel]] are the same, Then Evil!Kanae being... Well, [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment evil]] would also be explained.

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* I had an epiphany a few moments ago and I came to this exact conclusion (Well, the part about Evil!Kanae being made up of all the overwritten Kanaes. the rest... not sure). The entire Kyon: Big Damn Hero fanfiction has, at least, dozens of parallels and references to ''VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry'' (Read the very first FictionalDocument in the InMediasRes prologue, it makes a reference to the HatePlague in ''Higurashi'' right off the bat). In Higurashi, there is a lot of speculation on who exactly Bernkastel is and how she is related to Rika Furude. The popular theory is that Bernkastel is made up of all of the Rikas who have died and overwritten by the Rika traveling world to world with Hanyuu. Bernkastel, who was made from all the overwritten Rikas also traveled the worlds, making changes to those worlds. If [[VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry Higurashi!Bernkastel]] and [[VisualNovel/UminekoNoNakuKoroNi [[VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry Umineko!Bernkastel]] are the same, Then Evil!Kanae being... Well, [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment evil]] would also be explained.



Another thing that makes me think that this is Minagoroshi is that in Kyon: Big Damn Hero, Hanyuu cannot become corporeal on her own. It was only in Matsuribayashi that she could be seen and heard by everyone else. Also, when Nagato offered to make Hanyuu corporeal, Rika worried if Hanyuu would be harmed in the process; which implies that Hanyuu never had a physical form when everyone was fighting fate.[[note]]Would this be easier to read/more fun to discuss if [[UminekoNoNakuKoroNi we used blue and red truths?]][[/note]]

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Another thing that makes me think that this is Minagoroshi is that in Kyon: Big Damn Hero, Hanyuu cannot become corporeal on her own. It was only in Matsuribayashi that she could be seen and heard by everyone else. Also, when Nagato offered to make Hanyuu corporeal, Rika worried if Hanyuu would be harmed in the process; which implies that Hanyuu never had a physical form when everyone was fighting fate.[[note]]Would this be easier to read/more fun to discuss if [[UminekoNoNakuKoroNi [[VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry we used blue and red truths?]][[/note]]
13th Dec '15 12:13:31 PM Koveras
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[[WMG:Shinobu, the Tsuruya family maid, is in fact the same [[http://nanoha.wikia.com/wiki/Shinobu_Tsukimura Shinobu]] who is the [[{{VictoriousChildhoodFriend}} girlfriend]] of Kyouya Takamachi (who is the hero of TriangleHeart3, and also the older brother of [[{{MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha}} Nanoha Takamachi]]...). ]]
This is based on the assumption of the WMG above this one (Nonoko becoming a MagicalGirl), and that the events in TriangleHeart3 (or at least the tropes page for it) would explain why the Tsuruya family isn't bothered that much, if at all, by the unusual.

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[[WMG:Shinobu, the Tsuruya family maid, is in fact the same [[http://nanoha.wikia.com/wiki/Shinobu_Tsukimura Shinobu]] who is the [[{{VictoriousChildhoodFriend}} girlfriend]] of Kyouya Takamachi (who is the hero of TriangleHeart3, ''VisualNovel/TriangleHeart3'', and also the older brother of [[{{MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha}} Nanoha Takamachi]]...). ]]
This is based on the assumption of the WMG above this one (Nonoko becoming a MagicalGirl), and that the events in TriangleHeart3 ''VisualNovel/TriangleHeart3'' (or at least the tropes page for it) would explain why the Tsuruya family isn't bothered that much, if at all, by the unusual.
5th Nov '15 4:50:42 PM nombretomado
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** If that happens, wouldn't that make Kyon the K:BDH equivalent of [[{{RanmaOneHalf}} Ranma?]]

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** If that happens, wouldn't that make Kyon the K:BDH equivalent of [[{{RanmaOneHalf}} [[Manga/RanmaOneHalf Ranma?]]
12th Jun '15 6:09:11 AM StFan
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** If it has already happened, which girl did he have it with? He has kissed every girl that will [[MarryThemAll hook up with him]] (unless more get in on the plan), and has feelings for every one of them. Then again, he'll might temporarily [[MesACrowd split into several bodies]] a la Kazuki Shikimori in ''{{Maburaho}}'''s anime finale, and have a BigDamnKiss with each girl simultaneously.

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** If it has already happened, which girl did he have it with? He has kissed every girl that will [[MarryThemAll hook up with him]] (unless more get in on the plan), and has feelings for every one of them. Then again, he'll might temporarily [[MesACrowd split into several bodies]] a la Kazuki Shikimori in ''{{Maburaho}}'''s ''Anime/{{Maburaho}}'''s anime finale, and have a BigDamnKiss with each girl simultaneously.
21st May '15 1:21:34 PM ShinyTsukkomi
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[[WMG:[[HigurashiNoNakuKoroNi Hanyuu]] will be granted the ability to change between material and ghost/data at will.]]

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[[WMG:[[HigurashiNoNakuKoroNi [[WMG:[[VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry Hanyuu]] will be granted the ability to change between material and ghost/data at will.]]



[[WMG:[[HigurashiNoNakuKoroNi Tokyo]] will become involved in the story sometime in the future.]]
I don't know about the rest of you but the Higurashi arc seemed like one giant BigLippedAlligatorMoment to me -- though it was a pleasant one to be certain -- whose only apparent purpose was to get the idea of the [[MarryThemAll polyamory]] into Haruhi's head, something that could've been done without a crossover. But I doubt that's all there is to it; I think this is a Chekhov's Crossover. Keiichi and the gang are going to become involved again at some point in the future, probably because Miyuki's investigation is going to bear fruit, and Haruhi's powers are going to catch the attention of someone from Tokyo ''and'' a veteran officer in her department... Akasaka.

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[[WMG:[[HigurashiNoNakuKoroNi [[WMG:[[VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry Tokyo]] will become involved in the story sometime in the future.]]
I don't know about the rest of you but the Higurashi ''Higurashi'' arc seemed like one giant BigLippedAlligatorMoment to me -- though it was a pleasant one to be certain -- whose only apparent purpose was to get the idea of the [[MarryThemAll polyamory]] into Haruhi's head, something that could've been done without a crossover. But I doubt that's all there is to it; I think this is a Chekhov's Crossover. Keiichi and the gang are going to become involved again at some point in the future, probably because Miyuki's investigation is going to bear fruit, and Haruhi's powers are going to catch the attention of someone from Tokyo ''and'' a veteran officer in her department... Akasaka.



** Is this mentioned in-fic or in Higurashi? He could've been promoted or reenlisted in the 15+ years since the end of the series. Regardless, if the Higurashi characters come back into the story, there's a good chance they'll do so because the one plot hook that Higurashi completely left hanging gets snagged on Kyon's shirt, Akasaka getting involved would just be a bonus.

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** Is this mentioned in-fic or in Higurashi? He could've been promoted or reenlisted in the 15+ years since the end of the series. Regardless, if the Higurashi ''Higurashi'' characters come back into the story, there's a good chance they'll do so because the one plot hook that Higurashi ''Higurashi'' completely left hanging gets snagged on Kyon's shirt, Akasaka getting involved would just be a bonus.



* I had an epiphany a few moments ago and I came to this exact conclusion (Well, the part about Evil!Kanae being made up of all the overwritten Kanaes. the rest... not sure). The entire Kyon: Big Damn Hero fanfiction has, at least, dozens of parallels and references to HigurashiNoNakuKoroNi (Read the very first FictionalDocument in the InMediasRes prologue, it makes a reference to the HatePlague in Higurashi right off the bat). In Higurashi, there is a lot of speculation on who exactly Bernkastel is and how she is related to Rika Furude. The popular theory is that Bernkastel is made up of all of the Rikas who have died and overwritten by the Rika traveling world to world with Hanyuu. Bernkastel, who was made from all the overwritten Rikas also traveled the worlds, making changes to those worlds. If [[VisualNovel/HigurashiNoNakuKoroNi Higurashi!Bernkastel]] and [[VisualNovel/UminekoNoNakuKoroNi Umineko!Bernkastel]] are the same, Then Evil!Kanae being... Well, [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment evil]] would also be explained.

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* I had an epiphany a few moments ago and I came to this exact conclusion (Well, the part about Evil!Kanae being made up of all the overwritten Kanaes. the rest... not sure). The entire Kyon: Big Damn Hero fanfiction has, at least, dozens of parallels and references to HigurashiNoNakuKoroNi ''VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry'' (Read the very first FictionalDocument in the InMediasRes prologue, it makes a reference to the HatePlague in Higurashi ''Higurashi'' right off the bat). In Higurashi, there is a lot of speculation on who exactly Bernkastel is and how she is related to Rika Furude. The popular theory is that Bernkastel is made up of all of the Rikas who have died and overwritten by the Rika traveling world to world with Hanyuu. Bernkastel, who was made from all the overwritten Rikas also traveled the worlds, making changes to those worlds. If [[VisualNovel/HigurashiNoNakuKoroNi [[VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry Higurashi!Bernkastel]] and [[VisualNovel/UminekoNoNakuKoroNi Umineko!Bernkastel]] are the same, Then Evil!Kanae being... Well, [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment evil]] would also be explained.



[[WMG:Wataru is Kanae's half-sister and [[HigurashiNoNakuKoroNi Takano Miyo's]] son.]]

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[[WMG:Wataru is Kanae's half-sister and [[HigurashiNoNakuKoroNi [[VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry Takano Miyo's]] son.]]



Simply put, the quake separates time planes by forcibly putting years between them. In this case, seven - which puts Tanabata in the 'new' timeline on the 7/7/07... see the connection between Haruhi and sevens? Higurashi would take place in 1990.

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Simply put, the quake separates time planes by forcibly putting years between them. In this case, seven - which puts Tanabata in the 'new' timeline on the 7/7/07... see the connection between Haruhi and sevens? Higurashi ''Higurashi'' would take place in 1990.



The IDSE cannot affect alternate realities. Thus, the Combine, based in their own world, is immune from IDSE retribution; they could conceivably just keep invading until the IDSE can no longer stop them. The Combine can normally suborn the Sky Canopy Domain[[note]]by taking over the local Kuyou and "forcing the Chorus to harmonize with the Noise", as is her fear[[/note]], and with the Combine in control of the local reality, the IDSE's chance for self-evolution, the reason they're interested in Haruhi, is gone. With their position outside time, they detected Kanae sliding into the main reality, and read the imminent threat from her data[[note]]as Yuki could read the Higurashi story from Hanyuu's data[[/note]].

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The IDSE cannot affect alternate realities. Thus, the Combine, based in their own world, is immune from IDSE retribution; they could conceivably just keep invading until the IDSE can no longer stop them. The Combine can normally suborn the Sky Canopy Domain[[note]]by taking over the local Kuyou and "forcing the Chorus to harmonize with the Noise", as is her fear[[/note]], and with the Combine in control of the local reality, the IDSE's chance for self-evolution, the reason they're interested in Haruhi, is gone. With their position outside time, they detected Kanae sliding into the main reality, and read the imminent threat from her data[[note]]as Yuki could read the Higurashi ''Higurashi'' story from Hanyuu's data[[/note]].



[[WMG:K:BDH takes place in a [[HigurashiNoNakuKoroNi Minagoroshi-hen fragment, not a Matsuribayashi-hen fragment]].]]

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[[WMG:K:BDH takes place in a [[HigurashiNoNakuKoroNi [[VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry Minagoroshi-hen fragment, not a Matsuribayashi-hen fragment]].]]



He's obviously talking about Minagoroshi-hen here, or at least the events of it. Assuming this isn't the result of Durandall not looking up what happened in Higurashi.[[note]]As he did do [[ShownTheirWork a lot research to make sure this fanfic is canon up to the first 9 1/2 Haruhi novels]], I doubt that's the case.[[/note]] Either the Higurashi cast beat the BigBad in the Minagoroshi-hen fragment in this fanfic, or Teppei returned to Hinamizawa after everyone beat fate. A number of details show that it's more likely that everyone beat fate in Minagoroshi-hen.

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He's obviously talking about Minagoroshi-hen here, or at least the events of it. Assuming this isn't the result of Durandall not looking up what happened in Higurashi.[[note]]As he did do [[ShownTheirWork a lot research to make sure this fanfic is canon up to the first 9 1/2 Haruhi novels]], I doubt that's the case.[[/note]] Either the Higurashi ''Higurashi'' cast beat the BigBad in the Minagoroshi-hen fragment in this fanfic, or Teppei returned to Hinamizawa after everyone beat fate. A number of details show that it's more likely that everyone beat fate in Minagoroshi-hen.



* Rika ''almost'' ruined everything. Given how close the Higurashi cast were beforehand, it wouldn't be anything ''small'', even romantic chaos seems a little... weak.

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* Rika ''almost'' ruined everything. Given how close the Higurashi ''Higurashi'' cast were beforehand, it wouldn't be anything ''small'', even romantic chaos seems a little... weak.



** The fic is more-or-less confirmed as taking place in 2011 (from the dates on the {{FictionalDocument}}s), and likewise the main Higurashi events are confirmed at June 1983). Rika's Big Damn Mistake appears to have been committed when she was about 12 (Haruhi's comment was "you weren't even as old as Matsuri-chan"), and can't have been later than 1985; Kyon, born in 1994, couldn't be Rika's while-a-teen child even if the pregnancy was later than the original messing-things-up seduction.
*** Possible explanation: Mikuru's reason for heading into the past was to investigate the cause of a time-quake. As well as blocking travel backwards, it might have shifted everything 7 years forwards[[note]]Putting Higurashi in 1990[[/note]]. The eerie similarities in some films? Different universe, films needn't be created at the same time. And what Rika said could be interpreted to say that she started pursuing Keiichi at 12 but screwed up before 16.

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** The fic is more-or-less confirmed as taking place in 2011 (from the dates on the {{FictionalDocument}}s), and likewise the main Higurashi ''Higurashi'' events are confirmed at June 1983). Rika's Big Damn Mistake appears to have been committed when she was about 12 (Haruhi's comment was "you weren't even as old as Matsuri-chan"), and can't have been later than 1985; Kyon, born in 1994, couldn't be Rika's while-a-teen child even if the pregnancy was later than the original messing-things-up seduction.
*** Possible explanation: Mikuru's reason for heading into the past was to investigate the cause of a time-quake. As well as blocking travel backwards, it might have shifted everything 7 years forwards[[note]]Putting Higurashi ''Higurashi'' in 1990[[/note]]. The eerie similarities in some films? Different universe, films needn't be created at the same time. And what Rika said could be interpreted to say that she started pursuing Keiichi at 12 but screwed up before 16.
17th May '15 3:56:55 PM nombretomado
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* Could be some timeline issues involved. Assuming that Kanae's home universe is the VideoGame/HalfLife universe, she started her sliding soon after the [[{{NegativeSpaceWedgie}} Resonance Cascade]], when the Combine invaded Earth. Since the Cascade/Invasion happen in 200X (some sources say 2003, but, like with SuzumiyaHaruhi, the year is never confirmed), and the Uprising/Return of Freeman occur in 202X. However, it hasn't been stated how sliding affects time between universes, or how long Kanae has been sliding for. That said, I would love to see Gordon Freeman and K:BDH!Kyon tagteam Nova Prospekt.

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* Could be some timeline issues involved. Assuming that Kanae's home universe is the VideoGame/HalfLife universe, she started her sliding soon after the [[{{NegativeSpaceWedgie}} Resonance Cascade]], when the Combine invaded Earth. Since the Cascade/Invasion happen in 200X (some sources say 2003, but, like with SuzumiyaHaruhi, LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya, the year is never confirmed), and the Uprising/Return of Freeman occur in 202X. However, it hasn't been stated how sliding affects time between universes, or how long Kanae has been sliding for. That said, I would love to see Gordon Freeman and K:BDH!Kyon tagteam Nova Prospekt.
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