History VideoGame / SaGaFrontier2

18th Sep '16 6:13:14 AM NonoRobot
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* DieForOurShip:
** Oddly, an OfficialCouple can fall victim to a form of this ''[[InUniverse in-game]]'': [[spoiler: if Wil sends Cordelia to complete the 'Inflitrate! Alexei Gang' scenario, she winds up KilledOffForReal, and Wil ends up with Labelle instead.]] [[invoked]] AllThereInTheManual has this option as canon; the family trees in the Perfect Works book have Wil married to [[spoiler:Labelle/Lavelle]]. WordOfGod mentioned that [[spoiler:Labelle]] was originally intended to be Wil's canonical wife, but because she was given too little development throughout the game it was deemed unacceptable.

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* DieForOurShip:
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DieForOurShip: Oddly, an OfficialCouple can fall victim to a form of this ''[[InUniverse in-game]]'': [[spoiler: if Wil sends Cordelia to complete the 'Inflitrate! Alexei Gang' scenario, she winds up KilledOffForReal, and Wil ends up with Labelle instead.]] [[invoked]] AllThereInTheManual has this option as canon; the family trees in the Perfect Works book have Wil married to [[spoiler:Labelle/Lavelle]]. WordOfGod mentioned that [[spoiler:Labelle]] was originally intended to be Wil's canonical wife, but because she was given too little development throughout the game it was deemed unacceptable.
18th Sep '16 6:10:49 AM NonoRobot
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* ArtifactOfDoom: The Egg, which is equal parts this, SealedEvilInACan, and EldritchAbomination.

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* ArtifactOfDoom: ArtifactOfDoom:
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The Egg, which is equal parts this, SealedEvilInACan, and EldritchAbomination.



* {{BFS}}: Gustave's Sword, both in story and gameplay. A blacksmith considered the ''idea'' of such a weapon simply monstrous, and gameplay wise, it's one of the most powerful weapons in the game. Unfortunately, only Gustave and Gustaf get to use it.

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* {{BFS}}: {{BFS}}:
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Gustave's Sword, both in story and gameplay. A blacksmith considered the ''idea'' of such a weapon simply monstrous, and gameplay wise, it's one of the most powerful weapons in the game. Unfortunately, only Gustave and Gustaf get to use it.



* DeadGuyJunior: Given that Gustave was born of nobility, he's the thirteenth of his line, and a few other characters share his name.
** To clarify: [[spoiler:Gustave XIV was his younger half-brother and died without children. Gustaf is the son of Philippe III, who is the son of Kelvin and ''Marie'', after the latter divorced Cantal.]]

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* DeadGuyJunior: Given that Gustave was born of nobility, he's the thirteenth of his line, and a few other characters share his name.
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name. To clarify: [[spoiler:Gustave XIV was his younger half-brother and died without children. Gustaf is the son of Philippe III, who is the son of Kelvin and ''Marie'', after the latter divorced Cantal.]]



* DieForOurShip: Oddly, an OfficialCouple can fall victim to a form of this ''[[InUniverse in-game]]'': [[spoiler: if Wil sends Cordelia to complete the 'Inflitrate! Alexei Gang' scenario, she winds up KilledOffForReal, and Wil ends up with Labelle instead.]] [[invoked]]
** AllThereInTheManual has this option as canon; the family trees in the Perfect Works book have Wil married to [[spoiler:Labelle/Lavelle]]
*** Actually, the official word on this is that [[spoiler: Labelle]] was originally intended to be Wil's canonical wife, but because she was given too little development throughout the game it was deemed unacceptable.

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* DieForOurShip: DieForOurShip:
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Oddly, an OfficialCouple can fall victim to a form of this ''[[InUniverse in-game]]'': [[spoiler: if Wil sends Cordelia to complete the 'Inflitrate! Alexei Gang' scenario, she winds up KilledOffForReal, and Wil ends up with Labelle instead.]] [[invoked]]
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[[invoked]] AllThereInTheManual has this option as canon; the family trees in the Perfect Works book have Wil married to [[spoiler:Labelle/Lavelle]]
*** Actually, the official word on this is
[[spoiler:Labelle/Lavelle]]. WordOfGod mentioned that [[spoiler: Labelle]] [[spoiler:Labelle]] was originally intended to be Wil's canonical wife, but because she was given too little development throughout the game it was deemed unacceptable.



* GameplayAndStorySegregation: Johan tells Gustave that "even in my weakened condition, I can still fight far better than you!" and Gustave agrees to leave the fight in his hands. Wait, what? Is he talking to [[AuthorityEqualsAsskicking the same Gustave?]] The most formidable user of Weapon Arts in the entire world? The king [[spoiler: who goes monster-hunting in the middle of a pirate-ridden ViceCity]] because he's ''bored''?
** Well, technically Johan is actually telling that to one of the others who is only really good at spell arts, it's just that Gustave decides to let him handle it anyway. Though it is rather annoying that we have to play as Johan, especially since he has low stats unless you play the scenario entitled 'Johan the Assassin' and visit several towns and do some grinding.
*** Johan IS dying, to be absolutely fair. In spite of that he does only a bit less damage than Gustave and far, far more than Ventarbre. What screws him over is low durability, but again, DYING. It'd be odd if he had awesome durability like Gustave given how he wears light armor AND is dead on his feet.
** Also, the fact that Gustave isn't allowed to take the field in this battle, because it's quite likely that a player-controlled Gustave would be able to wipe out an endless line of monsters singlehandedly [[spoiler: and he has to die to kick off the rest of the plot]].

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* GameplayAndStorySegregation: GameplayAndStorySegregation:
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Johan tells Gustave that "even in my weakened condition, I can still fight far better than you!" and Gustave agrees to leave the fight in his hands. Wait, what? Is he talking to [[AuthorityEqualsAsskicking the same Gustave?]] The most formidable user of Weapon Arts in the entire world? The king [[spoiler: who goes monster-hunting in the middle of a pirate-ridden ViceCity]] because he's ''bored''?
** Well, technically Johan is actually telling that to one of the others who is only really good at spell arts, it's just that Gustave decides to let him handle it anyway. Though it is rather annoying that we have to play as Johan, especially since he has low stats unless you play the scenario entitled 'Johan the Assassin' and visit several towns and do some grinding.
*** Johan IS dying, to be absolutely fair. In spite of that he does only a bit less damage than Gustave and far, far more than Ventarbre. What screws him over is low durability, but again, DYING. It'd be odd if he had awesome durability like Gustave given how he wears light armor AND is dead on his feet.
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''bored''? Also, the fact that Gustave isn't allowed to take the field in this battle, because it's quite likely that a player-controlled Gustave would be able to wipe out an endless line of monsters singlehandedly [[spoiler: and [[spoiler:and he has to die to kick off the rest of the plot]].



* GrayAndGreyMorality: The wars between the aristocrats are fought for perfectly good political reasons.
** TheGoodTheBadAndTheEvil: [[spoiler: The Egg is an EldritchAbomination ArtifactOfDoom. When it gets involved in the wars, the other nobles form a worldwide alliance to defeat the Fake Gustave's army.]]

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* GrayAndGreyMorality: The wars between the aristocrats are fought for perfectly good political reasons.
** TheGoodTheBadAndTheEvil:
reasons. Eventually, it leads to a TheGoodTheBadAndTheEvil situation: [[spoiler: The Egg is an EldritchAbomination ArtifactOfDoom. When it gets involved in the wars, the other nobles form a worldwide alliance to defeat the Fake Gustave's army.]]



* InfinityMinusOneSword: Gustave's sword. Gustaf inherits Gustave's sword and Firebrand, an ''another'' InfinityMinusOneSword (though this sword is less powerful than Gustave's sword, so Firebrand is in fact utterly useless to Gustaf, except for providing Fire Anima and balancing the negative effects of having a steel weapon equiped, since Firebrand remains a very powerful Quell, the only weapon actually to provide a bonus of +2 to SP Regen, which cancels the -2 SP Regen Malus of Gustave's sword). Actually, with his two weapons slots occupied, Gustaf can't equip the InfinityPlusOneSword of the game, or any other weapons for that matter, which prevents him, an already powerful character in his own right, to achieve a GameBreaker status.
** Not necessarily, as Gustaf is still an insanely powerful character and can still be trained to be an absolute beast of Sword Arts and certain Anima Arts.

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* InfinityMinusOneSword: Gustave's sword. Gustaf inherits Gustave's sword and Firebrand, an ''another'' InfinityMinusOneSword (though this sword is less powerful than Gustave's sword, so Firebrand is in fact utterly useless to Gustaf, except for providing Fire Anima and balancing the negative effects of having a steel weapon equiped, since Firebrand remains a very powerful Quell, the only weapon actually to provide a bonus of +2 to SP Regen, which cancels the -2 SP Regen Malus of Gustave's sword). Actually, with his two weapons slots occupied, Gustaf can't equip the InfinityPlusOneSword of the game, or any other weapons for that matter, which prevents him, an already very powerful character in his own right, to achieve a GameBreaker status.
** Not necessarily, as Gustaf is still an insanely powerful character and can still be trained to be an absolute beast of Sword Arts and certain Anima Arts.
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* MagicKnight: Most fighters are trained in using both Spell Arts and Weapon Arts, to a greater or lesser extent. The biggest exceptions are steel warriors, who go all-in on Weapon Arts (and completely overmatch magic users).
** Gustaf is pretty much guaranteed to be this, as the wielder of both Firebrand (the ultimate Fire Quell) and Gustave's Sword (the most powerful steel weapon). He also can use all 6 types or anima with ease (something only a few others characters could achieve: Rich Knights, Cielmer, Ventarbre and Johan).

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* MagicKnight: MagicKnight:
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Most fighters are trained in using both Spell Arts and Weapon Arts, to a greater or lesser extent. The biggest exceptions are steel warriors, who go all-in on Weapon Arts (and completely overmatch magic users).
** Gustaf is pretty much guaranteed to be this, as the wielder of both Firebrand (the ultimate Fire Quell) and Gustave's Sword (the most powerful steel weapon). He also can use all 6 types or anima with ease (something ease, something only a few others characters could achieve: Rich Knights, Cielmer, Ventarbre and Johan).Johan.



* YouShallNotPass: The hardest battle in the game is surviving for eight turns against steel troops with an army full of RedShirts. (In Wil's scenario, you find out that Gustaf eventually showed up to [[BigDamnHeroes reinforce your side]], but you never get to use him as a unit in that particular battle.)

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* YouShallNotPass: YouShallNotPass:
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The hardest war battle in the game is surviving for eight turns against steel troops with an army full of RedShirts. (In In Wil's scenario, you find out that Gustaf eventually showed up to [[BigDamnHeroes reinforce your side]], but you never get to use him as a unit in that particular battle.)



** Also, [[spoiler: Johan the Assassin's]] last stand. He plants himself in front of the room [[spoiler: Gustave]] is in and singlehandedly holds off an entire army, racking up a kill count in the hundreds before succumbing to the deadly poison he was infected with.

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** Also, [[spoiler: Johan [[spoiler:Johan the Assassin's]] last stand. He plants himself in front of the room [[spoiler: Gustave]] [[spoiler:Gustave]] is in and singlehandedly holds off an entire army, racking up a kill count in the hundreds before succumbing to the deadly poison he was infected with.
8th Aug '16 4:16:26 AM Ramidel
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* AnAxeToGrind: Few are the characters to actually wield with efficiency this weapon. Among them are Tyler (generation 1), Patrick (generation 1 and 2), Primiera and Meythia (both generation 3).

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* AnAxeToGrind: Few are the characters to actually can efficiently wield with efficiency this weapon. Among them are Tyler (generation 1), Patrick (generation 1 and 2), Primiera and Meythia (both generation 3). On the other hand, axes are the most powerful weapon available to Wil's side of the game early on, so some players accept a lack of affinity and just use a flint axe anyway.



* BadassFamily: The Knight family definitely deserves a mention, as they span three generations worth of adventurers and heroes.

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* BadassFamily: The Knight Knights family definitely deserves a mention, as they span three generations worth of adventurers and heroes.
8th Aug '16 4:11:18 AM Ramidel
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* GenerationalSaga: The tale follows three generations of the Knights family, and two generations of the Finney and Jade families (along with other nobility). Some third-generation characters from the Gustave storyline make it into the Knights storyline, but the final leader of the Gustave storyline is second-generation - specifically, [[spoiler: Kelvin's youngest son]].
8th Aug '16 4:04:39 AM Ramidel
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** Rich Knights and Johan are similar to Gustaf in that they are swordsmen first and foremost, but have a natural gift for all six anima types, something that even specialized wizards normally lack.
8th Aug '16 3:59:36 AM Ramidel
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* HeroicBastard: Downplayed. Ginny Knights is ''technically'' illegitimate, as Rich and Diana were never married (Diana was just the girl Rich happened to get pregnant). However, Diana moves to Wide to live with Wil and his wife, and Ginny is treated as a full member of the family; the fact that her parents were never married is simply ignored.



** The "Tycoon Wil" scenario in which your only recourse is to survive long enough to run away from the Monster Megalith each time until you can trigger a cutscene.

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** The "Tycoon Wil" scenario in which your only recourse is to survive long enough to run away from the Monster Megalith Monster each time until you can trigger a cutscene.



* HopeSpot: Kelvin's victory at Salisbury shows everyone in Sandail that he's still got what it takes, [[spoiler: but it's not enough to stop his alliance from breaking apart and the wars from starting up again.]]

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* HopeSpot: Kelvin's victory at Salisbury shows everyone in Sandail that he's still got what it takes, [[spoiler: but it's not enough to stop his alliance from breaking apart and the wars from starting up again.]]again]].
28th May '16 8:17:20 PM nombretomado
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The second ''VideoGame/{{SaGa}}'' game released on the {{PlayStation}}, ''[=SaGa=] Frontier 2'' is markedly different from its predecessor. Set in the world of Sandail, the plotline is divided into two scenarios, revolving around the lives and adventures of two men:

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The second ''VideoGame/{{SaGa}}'' game released on the {{PlayStation}}, UsefulNotes/PlayStation, ''[=SaGa=] Frontier 2'' is markedly different from its predecessor. Set in the world of Sandail, the plotline is divided into two scenarios, revolving around the lives and adventures of two men:
9th Sep '15 11:41:46 AM Rjinswand
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* DemotedToSatelliteLoveInterest: The Knights family gets a bad case of this. Cordelia (assuming she marries Wil Knights) and Diana are both exceptional fighters (in Diana's case, [[MasterSwordsman more than exceptional]]), but once they get pregnant, both retire from the battlefield, settle down and raise their children. Even when Wil Knights returns to the battlefield (with his granddaughter as the party leader!), neither his wife nor Diana is there with him.



* NeverASelfMadeWoman: The Knights family gets a bad case of this. Cordelia (assuming she marries Wil Knights) and Diana are both exceptional fighters (in Diana's case, [[MasterSwordsman more than exceptional]]), but once they get pregnant, both retire from the battlefield, settle down and raise their children. Even when Wil Knights returns to the battlefield (with his granddaughter as the party leader!), neither his wife nor Diana is there with him. And while Ginny Knights is the party leader to the end, it's clear that this is because she's the descendant of Tycoon Wil.

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* NeverASelfMadeWoman: The Knights family gets a bad case of this. Cordelia (assuming she marries Wil Knights) and Diana are both exceptional fighters (in Diana's case, [[MasterSwordsman more than exceptional]]), but once they get pregnant, both retire from the battlefield, settle down and raise their children. Even when Wil Knights returns to the battlefield (with his granddaughter as the party leader!), neither his wife nor Diana is there with him. And while While Ginny Knights is the party leader to the end, it's clear that this is because she's the descendant of Tycoon Wil.
11th Aug '15 3:51:38 AM justanid
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25th Jul '15 1:19:36 PM Ramidel
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* NoMacguffinNoWinner: [[spoiler: The SuccessionCrisis is resolved with the peaceful dissolution of Gustave's empire and the independence of Hahn Nova.]]

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* NoMacguffinNoWinner: NoMacGuffinNoWinner: [[spoiler: The SuccessionCrisis is resolved with the peaceful dissolution of Gustave's empire and the independence of Hahn Nova.]]
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