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* CowboyBebopAtHisComputer: Marilyn Manson is not a {{goth}} band, and they have never claimed to be so. It seems as though only reason [[FanFic/MyImmortal people]] think they are a goth band is because the media kept saying they were. The makeup, nail polish, black clothing, and stereotypical "darkness" of the band didn't help much. The music video for Tainted Love also does not help, what with it being filled with goth kids and all (one even wearing a shirt stating "Nothing but a G(oth) Thing.")

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Marilyn Manson is not a {{goth}} band, and they have never claimed to be so. It seems as though only reason [[FanFic/MyImmortal people]] think they are a goth band is because the media kept saying they were. The makeup, nail polish, black clothing, and stereotypical "darkness" of the band didn't help much. The music video for Tainted Love also does not help, what with it being filled with goth kids and all (one even wearing a shirt stating "Nothing but a G(oth) Thing.")



* CreatorBreakdown: Marilyn Manson (the person) had a bout of serious depression whilst writing "Eat Me, Drink Me."

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Marilyn Manson (the person) had a bout of serious depression whilst writing "Eat ''Eat Me, Drink Me."Me''.


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* CreatorKiller: Manson [[https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/sep/21/columbine-destroyed-my-entire-career-marilyn-manson-on-the-perils-of-being-the-lord-of-darkness attributes]] the end of the band's mainstream success to the UsefulNotes/{{Columbine}} massacre, specifically how MoralGuardians accused him of [[MurderSimulators influencing the shooters]] and turned him into a symbol of everything wrong with mainstream rock music.
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* ThePeteBest: No less than five examples, the last three of whom ended up suing.
** Olivia Newton Bundy and [=ZsaZsa Speck=] were the first bassist and keyboardist, but wrote nothing and only played a few shows before quitting to form another band.
** Gidget Gein was the second bassist and co-wrote a number of the songs, but his addiction to heroin got him kicked out of the band. He played on the first album, ''Portrait of an American Family'', but never toured. He later became an artist, but [[AuthorExistenceFailure died of an overdose]] in 2008.
** Sara Lee Lucas was the first drummer, but came into conflict with Manson. He was set on fire during one show and left without saying goodbye.
** Daisy Berkowitz was the first guitarist and co-founder of the band, but clashed with Manson and Twiggy during the ''Smells Like Children'' tour and ended up leaving halfway through the recording of the second album, ''Antichrist Superstar''. He wound up joining Jack Off Jill and had various other projects, as well as a solo project where he played Spooky Kids songs. [[AuthorExistenceFailure He later succumbed to cancer in late 2017]].
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** It wasn't uncommon in the late 90's for many outlets to think Marilyn Manson [[DudeLooksLikeALady was woman]]...which doesn't really explain their super deep voice or lack of breasts ,but whatever. Although, finding out his true gender gave some [[HeteronormativeCrusader more reasons to hate him]] as a result.
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* OneOfUs: [[http://kotaku.com/146565/cant-get-phoenix-wright-marilyn-manson-can He's an avid gamer.]] Twiggy Ramirez as well, and he's also a [[http://web.archive.org/web/20110604045216/http://www.starwars.com/community/news/rocks/f20070227/index.html huge]] ''Franchise/StarWars'' fan, as well as a really creepy, proportioned-like-in-the-comics [[ComicBook/TheJoker Joker]] [[http://zoeyposthuman.tumblr.com/post/124340489465/joker-cosplay-by-twiggy-ramirez cosplayer]].
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* MeanCharacterNiceActor: Zig-zagged. Off the stage, Marilyn Manson is a sweet, sensitive, polite and kind-hearted NiceGuy who deeply cares about his fans. When interviewed by Creator/MichaelMoore about how his music is allegedly responsible for the titular massacre of ''Film/BowlingForColumbine'', he answers with genuine sadness that people ought to reach out and understand social outcasts like the two boys rather than label them as monsters.
** And then he [[KickTheDog cheated on his wife with a nineteen-year-old, slagged her in the media, and deliberately tried to hurt her in his next video]]. Definitely an OutOfCharacterMoment.
** Also, his not-so-niceties with former member John 5 are also rather awkward and his breakdown with long time member Madonna Wayne Gacy was also infamous on his part; to this day, Stephen Bier still truly hates the man and has expressed incredulity and disappointment at Manson's continued existence on social media.
** Also, how he treated Daisy Berkowitz[=/=]Scott Putesky. Basically, the rule seems to be that he will be nice, until you get on his bad side. Then, he will do everything in his power to destroy you. That said, things with Putesky eventually cooled off and Manson paid his respects to him after Putesky passed away in 2017.
-->'''Manson:''' Scott Putesky and I made great music together. We had our differences over the years, but I will always remember the good times more. Everyone should listen to [[Music/AntichristSuperstar “Man That You Fear”]] in his honor. That was our favorite.
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* OneOfUs: [[http://kotaku.com/146565/cant-get-phoenix-wright-marilyn-manson-can He's an avid gamer.]] Twiggy Ramirez as well, and he's also a [[http://web.archive.org/web/20110604045216/http://www.starwars.com/community/news/rocks/f20070227/index.html huge]] ''Franchise/StarWars'' fan, as well as a really creepy, proportioned-like-in-the-comics [[TheJoker Joker]] [[http://zoeyposthuman.tumblr.com/post/124340489465/joker-cosplay-by-twiggy-ramirez cosplayer]].

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* OneOfUs: [[http://kotaku.com/146565/cant-get-phoenix-wright-marilyn-manson-can He's an avid gamer.]] Twiggy Ramirez as well, and he's also a [[http://web.archive.org/web/20110604045216/http://www.starwars.com/community/news/rocks/f20070227/index.html huge]] ''Franchise/StarWars'' fan, as well as a really creepy, proportioned-like-in-the-comics [[TheJoker [[ComicBook/TheJoker Joker]] [[http://zoeyposthuman.tumblr.com/post/124340489465/joker-cosplay-by-twiggy-ramirez cosplayer]].
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* RoleEndingMisdemeanor: Belated, but still. In October 2017, Jessicka Adams of Music/JackOffJill went public about her experiences of abuse in her past relationship with Twiggy, which shook up the fandoms of ''both'' bands. A couple days later, Manson himself announced that Twiggy was no longer in the band.

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* RoleEndingMisdemeanor: Belated, but still. In October 2017, Jessicka Adams Addams of Music/JackOffJill went public about her experiences of abuse in her past relationship with Twiggy, which shook up the fandoms of ''both'' bands. A couple days later, Manson himself announced that Twiggy was no longer in the band.

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* MeanCharacterNiceActor: Off the stage, Marilyn Manson is a sweet, sensitive, polite and kind-hearted NiceGuy who deeply cares about his fans. When interviewed by Creator/MichaelMoore about how his music is allegedly responsible for the titular massacre of ''Film/BowlingForColumbine'', he answers with genuine sadness that people ought to reach out and understand social outcasts like the two boys rather than label them as monsters.
** And then he [[KickTheDog cheated on his wife with a nineteen-year-old, slagged her in the media, and deliberately tried to hurt her in his next video]]. Definitely an OutOfCharacterMoment. Also, his not-so-niceties with former member John 5 are also rather awkward and his breakdown with long time member Madonna Wayne Gacy was also infamous on his part; to this day, Stephen Bier still truly hates the man and has expressed incredulity and disappointment at Manson's continued existence on social media.
*** Also, how he treated Daisy Berkowitz. Basically, the rule seems to be that he will be nice, until you get on his bad side. Then, he will do everything in his power to destroy you.

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* MeanCharacterNiceActor: Zig-zagged. Off the stage, Marilyn Manson is a sweet, sensitive, polite and kind-hearted NiceGuy who deeply cares about his fans. When interviewed by Creator/MichaelMoore about how his music is allegedly responsible for the titular massacre of ''Film/BowlingForColumbine'', he answers with genuine sadness that people ought to reach out and understand social outcasts like the two boys rather than label them as monsters.
** And then he [[KickTheDog cheated on his wife with a nineteen-year-old, slagged her in the media, and deliberately tried to hurt her in his next video]]. Definitely an OutOfCharacterMoment.
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Also, his not-so-niceties with former member John 5 are also rather awkward and his breakdown with long time member Madonna Wayne Gacy was also infamous on his part; to this day, Stephen Bier still truly hates the man and has expressed incredulity and disappointment at Manson's continued existence on social media.
*** ** Also, how he treated Daisy Berkowitz.Berkowitz[=/=]Scott Putesky. Basically, the rule seems to be that he will be nice, until you get on his bad side. Then, he will do everything in his power to destroy you. That said, things with Putesky eventually cooled off and Manson paid his respects to him after Putesky passed away in 2017.
-->'''Manson:''' Scott Putesky and I made great music together. We had our differences over the years, but I will always remember the good times more. Everyone should listen to [[Music/AntichristSuperstar “Man That You Fear”]] in his honor. That was our favorite.


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* RoleEndingMisdemeanor: Belated, but still. In October 2017, Jessicka Adams of Music/JackOffJill went public about her experiences of abuse in her past relationship with Twiggy, which shook up the fandoms of ''both'' bands. A couple days later, Manson himself announced that Twiggy was no longer in the band.
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* CutSong: Many from the ''Spooky Kids'' era, though most survived via old cassette tapes and bootlegs. Some are... Well, let's just say Manson has a good reason for trying to forget about them.
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I'd honestly be tempted to just erase that particular entry based on the sheer amount of horror stories that I've heard from venue employees, former techs, and friends of former members over the years. Manson is not a nice dude.


** And then he [[KickTheDog cheated on his wife with a nineteen-year-old, slagged her in the media, and deliberately tried to hurt her in his next video]]. Definitely an OutOfCharacterMoment. Also, his not-so-niceties with former member John 5 are also rather awkward and his breakdown with long time member Madonna Wayne Gacy was also infamous on his part.

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** And then he [[KickTheDog cheated on his wife with a nineteen-year-old, slagged her in the media, and deliberately tried to hurt her in his next video]]. Definitely an OutOfCharacterMoment. Also, his not-so-niceties with former member John 5 are also rather awkward and his breakdown with long time member Madonna Wayne Gacy was also infamous on his part.part; to this day, Stephen Bier still truly hates the man and has expressed incredulity and disappointment at Manson's continued existence on social media.
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** It wasn't uncommon in the late 90's for many outlets to think Marilyn Manson [[DudeLooksLikeALady was woman]]...which doesn't really explain their super deep voice or lack of breasts ,but whatever. Although, finding out his true gender gave some [[HeteronormativeCrusader more reasons to hate him]] as a result.
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** Also they're not [[EveryoneIsSatanInHell Satanists]] and they do not condone it especially during the Antichrist Superstar-era. The Antichirst part especially does not refer to Manson in a literal sense since it is a ConceptAlbum...that and it would make no sense anyway for various reasons.

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** Also they're not [[EveryoneIsSatanInHell Satanists]] [[HollywoodSatanism Satanists]], although Manson himself is a Reverend in the church of [=LaVeyan=] Satanism (which is quite distinct from the aforementioned steteotypical version) and they do not condone it especially during the Antichrist Superstar-era. The Antichirst part especially does not refer to Manson in a literal sense since it is a ConceptAlbum...that and it would make no sense anyway for various reasons.
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** Also they're not [[EveryoneIsSatanInHell Satanists]] and they do not condone it especially during the Antichrist Superstar-era. The Antichirst part especially does not refer to Manson in a literal sense since it is a ConceptAlbum...that and it would make no sense anyway for various reasons.
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* FountainOfExpies: Copied by many, many shock rockers, from Chris Motionless of Motionless In White to Hyde of [[Music/LarcEnCiel L'arc~en~ciel]] and Vamps.

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* FountainOfExpies: Copied by many, many shock rockers, from Chris Motionless of Motionless In White MotionlessInWhite to Hyde of [[Music/LarcEnCiel L'arc~en~ciel]] and Vamps.
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* BigNameFan: The man himself is a longtime fan of Music/{{Atheist}} and apparently told Kelly Shaefer online that Neurotica was terrible and that he needed to disband them and bring Atheist back; he even apparently signed it as "Brian Warner" to make sure that Shaefer (who had known him from way back when Marilyn Manson and the Spooky Kids was strictly local) would know it was him.
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* OneOfUs: [[http://kotaku.com/146565/cant-get-phoenix-wright-marilyn-manson-can He's an avid gamer.]] (Twiggy Ramirez as well, and he's also a [[http://web.archive.org/web/20110604045216/http://www.starwars.com/community/news/rocks/f20070227/index.html huge]] ''Franchise/StarWars'' fan)

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* OneOfUs: [[http://kotaku.com/146565/cant-get-phoenix-wright-marilyn-manson-can He's an avid gamer.]] (Twiggy Twiggy Ramirez as well, and he's also a [[http://web.archive.org/web/20110604045216/http://www.starwars.com/community/news/rocks/f20070227/index.html huge]] ''Franchise/StarWars'' fan)fan, as well as a really creepy, proportioned-like-in-the-comics [[TheJoker Joker]] [[http://zoeyposthuman.tumblr.com/post/124340489465/joker-cosplay-by-twiggy-ramirez cosplayer]].
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*** Also, how he treated Daisy Berkowitz. Basically, the rule seems to be that he will be nice, until you get on his bad side. Then, he will do everything in his power to destroy you.

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** And then he [[KickTheDog cheated on his wife with a nineteen-year-old, slagged her in the media, and deliberately tried to hurt her in his next video]]. Definitely an OutOfCharacterMoment. Also, his not-so-niceties with former member John 5 are also rather awkward.

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** And then he [[KickTheDog cheated on his wife with a nineteen-year-old, slagged her in the media, and deliberately tried to hurt her in his next video]]. Definitely an OutOfCharacterMoment. Also, his not-so-niceties with former member John 5 are also rather awkward.awkward and his breakdown with long time member Madonna Wayne Gacy was also infamous on his part.
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* FountainOfExpies: Copied by many, many shock rockers, from Chris Motionless of Motionless In White to Hyde of Music/LarcEnCiel and Vamps.

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* FountainOfExpies: Copied by many, many shock rockers, from Chris Motionless of Motionless In White to Hyde of Music/LarcEnCiel [[Music/LarcEnCiel L'arc~en~ciel]] and Vamps.
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* FountainOfExpies: Copied by many, many shock rockers, from Chris Motionless of Motionless In White to Hyde of Music/LArcEnCiel and Vamps.

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* FountainOfExpies: Copied by many, many shock rockers, from Chris Motionless of Motionless In White to Hyde of Music/LArcEnCiel Music/LarcEnCiel and Vamps.
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* CowboyBebopAtHisComputer: Marilyn Manson is not a {{goth}} band, and they have never claimed to be so. It seems as though only reason [[FanFic/MyImmortal people]] think they are a goth band is because the media kept saying they were. The makeup, nail polish, black clothing, and stereotypical "darkness" of the band didn't help much. The music video for Tainted Love also does not help, what with it being filled with goth kids and all (one even wearing a shirt stating "Nothing but a G(oth) Thing.")



** Some may go so far as to say it went from their first album, ''Portrait of an America Family'' through to ''The High End of Low''. Yes, ''Born Villain'' is the first non-breakdown album.



* FountainOfExpies: Copied by many, many shock rockers, from Chris Motionless of Motionless In White to Hyde of Music/LArcEnCiel and Vamps.



* TroubledProduction: The necessary re-recording of the debut, the constant drug-use and intra-band tension of ''Antichrist Superstar''.

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* TroubledProduction: The necessary re-recording of the debut, the constant drug-use and intra-band tension of ''Antichrist Superstar''.Superstar''.
* TheWikiRule: [[http://www.mansonwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page The Marilyn Manson Wiki]].
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** And then he [[KickTheDog cheated on his wife with a nineteen-year-old, slagged her in the media, and deliberately tried to hurt her in his next video]], definitely an OutOfCharacterMoment. Also, his not-so-niceties with former member John 5 are also rather awkward.

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** And then he [[KickTheDog cheated on his wife with a nineteen-year-old, slagged her in the media, and deliberately tried to hurt her in his next video]], definitely video]]. Definitely an OutOfCharacterMoment. Also, his not-so-niceties with former member John 5 are also rather awkward.

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** And then he [[KickTheDog cheated on his wife with a nineteen-year-old, slagged her in the media, and deliberately tried to hurt her in his next video]], definitely an OutOfCharacterMoment.

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** And then he [[KickTheDog cheated on his wife with a nineteen-year-old, slagged her in the media, and deliberately tried to hurt her in his next video]], definitely an OutOfCharacterMoment. Also, his not-so-niceties with former member John 5 are also rather awkward.
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* OneOfUs: [[http://kotaku.com/146565/cant-get-phoenix-wright-marilyn-manson-can He's an avid gamer.]] (Twiggy Ramirez as well, and he's also a [[http://web.archive.org/web/20110604045216/http://www.starwars.com/community/news/rocks/f20070227/index.html huge]] StarWars fan)

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* OneOfUs: [[http://kotaku.com/146565/cant-get-phoenix-wright-marilyn-manson-can He's an avid gamer.]] (Twiggy Ramirez as well, and he's also a [[http://web.archive.org/web/20110604045216/http://www.starwars.com/community/news/rocks/f20070227/index.html huge]] StarWars ''Franchise/StarWars'' fan)
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* MeanCharacterNiceActor: Off the stage, Marilyn Manson is a sweet, sensitive, polite and kind-hearted NiceGuy who deeply cares about his fans. When interviewed by MichaelMoore about how his music is allegedly responsible for the titular massacre of ''Film/BowlingForColumbine'', he answers with genuine sadness that people ought to reach out and understand social outcasts like the two boys rather than label them as monsters.

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* MeanCharacterNiceActor: Off the stage, Marilyn Manson is a sweet, sensitive, polite and kind-hearted NiceGuy who deeply cares about his fans. When interviewed by MichaelMoore Creator/MichaelMoore about how his music is allegedly responsible for the titular massacre of ''Film/BowlingForColumbine'', he answers with genuine sadness that people ought to reach out and understand social outcasts like the two boys rather than label them as monsters.
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* MeanCharacterNiceActor: Off the stage, Marilyn Manson is a sweet, sensitive, polite and kind-hearted NiceGuy who deeply cares about his fans. When interviewed by MichaelMoore about how his music is allegedly responsible for the titular massacre of ''BowlingForColumbine'', he answers with genuine sadness that people ought to reach out and understand social outcasts like the two boys rather than label them as monsters.

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* MeanCharacterNiceActor: Off the stage, Marilyn Manson is a sweet, sensitive, polite and kind-hearted NiceGuy who deeply cares about his fans. When interviewed by MichaelMoore about how his music is allegedly responsible for the titular massacre of ''BowlingForColumbine'', ''Film/BowlingForColumbine'', he answers with genuine sadness that people ought to reach out and understand social outcasts like the two boys rather than label them as monsters.

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* ExecutiveMeddling: Manson originally wanted to use a [[{{Squick}} nude photo of himself as a kid]] for the cover of ''Portrait of an American Family''. Rather sensibly, the label said no, we don't wanna be accused of child pornography, thank you very much.

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* ExecutiveMeddling: Manson originally wanted to use a [[{{Squick}} nude photo of himself as a kid]] baby for the cover of ''Portrait of an American Family''. Rather sensibly, the The label said no, we don't wanna be accused was {{Squick}}ed out and shot down the idea, not being very eager about accusations of child pornography, thank you very much.pornography.
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* OneOfUs: [[http://kotaku.com/146565/cant-get-phoenix-wright-marilyn-manson-can He's an avid gamer.]] (Twiggy Ramirez as well, and he's also a [[http://web.archive.org/web/20110604045216/http://www.starwars.com/community/news/rocks/f20070227/index.html huge]] StarWars fan)

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* OneOfUs: [[http://kotaku.com/146565/cant-get-phoenix-wright-marilyn-manson-can He's an avid gamer.]] (Twiggy Ramirez as well, and he's also a [[http://web.archive.org/web/20110604045216/http://www.starwars.com/community/news/rocks/f20070227/index.html huge]] StarWars fan)fan)
* TroubledProduction: The necessary re-recording of the debut, the constant drug-use and intra-band tension of ''Antichrist Superstar''.
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* CreatorBreakdown: Marilyn Manson (the person) had a bout of serious depression whilst writing '"Eat Me, Drink Me."'

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* CreatorBreakdown: Marilyn Manson (the person) had a bout of serious depression whilst writing '"Eat "Eat Me, Drink Me."'"
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* CreatorBreakdown: Marilyn Manson (the person) had a bout of serious depression whilst writing '"Eat Me, Drink Me."'
* ExecutiveMeddling: Manson originally wanted to use a [[{{Squick}} nude photo of himself as a kid]] for the cover of ''Portrait of an American Family''. Rather sensibly, the label said no, we don't wanna be accused of child pornography, thank you very much.
* MeanCharacterNiceActor: Off the stage, Marilyn Manson is a sweet, sensitive, polite and kind-hearted NiceGuy who deeply cares about his fans. When interviewed by MichaelMoore about how his music is allegedly responsible for the titular massacre of ''BowlingForColumbine'', he answers with genuine sadness that people ought to reach out and understand social outcasts like the two boys rather than label them as monsters.
** And then he [[KickTheDog cheated on his wife with a nineteen-year-old, slagged her in the media, and deliberately tried to hurt her in his next video]], definitely an OutOfCharacterMoment.
* OneOfUs: [[http://kotaku.com/146565/cant-get-phoenix-wright-marilyn-manson-can He's an avid gamer.]] (Twiggy Ramirez as well, and he's also a [[http://web.archive.org/web/20110604045216/http://www.starwars.com/community/news/rocks/f20070227/index.html huge]] StarWars fan)

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