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** The market has been a bit plagued for a while now with AlienInvasion films and the writing team decides to attract audiences by making it a "humans are the bad guys, the hero is a BadassAdorable alien" tale.
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** Some humans are good, and in a meeting with other aliens, the good human representative try his best to say that the monstrous humans don't represent the face of all humans when there are also many [[HumansAreGood good humans]], as a whole, HumansAreFlawed. However, the aliens don't buy it, they claim that by letting the monstrous humans exist at all instead of punishing or purging them, [[AccompliceByInaction these 'good humans' are no better.]]

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** The author is [[MisanthropeSupreme misanthropic]].
** The writer considers an alien/other race being more evil than humanity to be an example of UnfortunateImplications, so he decides to subvert it by having man act morally depraved.



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** Humans are actually an advanced evolution of themselves, with the side effects of making them act like the real monsters. Meanwhile, the other races actually originated from the old humanity, and they showed [[HumansAreFlawed nice values and flaws that normal humans would have]]. The new humans have taken over the term 'human' and makes these new 'races' closer to humans hang their head in shame that their ancestor's name has been taken over by monsters.
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** Humans are vicious brutes, but the other intelligent nonhumans in the neighborhood are barely any better.

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* '''Defied''': The human ambassador gives alien children lollipops and shakes the hands of every alien he meets. That's ''after'' making sure the lollipops won't poison and his hands don't have a disease that would be very fatal to the aliens.

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The human ambassador gives alien children lollipops and shakes the hands of every alien he meets. That's ''after'' making sure the lollipops won't poison and his hands don't have a disease that would be very fatal to the aliens.aliens.
** The things the aliens do to establish dominance during First Contact alone are a whole lot more brutal than anything any vile human in Earth's history has done, or will ever do, and they continue to do them afterwards to ''keep'' establishing dominance.
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** A group of [[AliensAreBastards proudly evil alien invaders]] become genuinely friendly with humanity because they find humanity's evils to be much greater and worth learning from, both humbling the aliens and putting their view on humanity in a "positive" light.

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* '''Exaggerated''': Humans are AlwaysChaoticEvil and {{Complete Monster}}s, down to the very last member of their race. All they do every waking hour is betray, lie, steal, torture and murder each other. And over the most [[EvilIsPetty trivial]] [[DisproportionateRetribution of]] [[SillyReasonForWar reasons]] too. In fact, scratch that, for ''[[ForTheEvulz no reason whatsoever]]''. They constantly [[MoralEventHorizon cross the line]], and either [[CardCarryingVillain consistently insist on being called evil]] or [[KnightTemplar insist that they are doing the right thing]]. Other species meanwhile, are AlwaysLawfulGood and IncorruptiblePurePureness, and would never do such horrible things as humans have.
** Humans not only [[HellHasNewManagement take over hell]] but exploit it ruthlessly as a colony, turning it into IndustrializedEvil [[MainliningTheMonster for immortality and violation of conventional laws of physics]] despite knowing that should they die they will suffer the same fate as all of the other damned.

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Humans are AlwaysChaoticEvil and {{Complete Monster}}s, down to the very last member of their race. All they do every waking hour is betray, lie, steal, torture and murder each other. And over the most [[EvilIsPetty trivial]] [[DisproportionateRetribution of]] [[SillyReasonForWar reasons]] too. In fact, scratch that, for ''[[ForTheEvulz no reason whatsoever]]''. They constantly [[MoralEventHorizon cross the line]], and either [[CardCarryingVillain consistently insist on being called evil]] or [[KnightTemplar insist that they are doing the right thing]]. Other species meanwhile, are AlwaysLawfulGood and IncorruptiblePurePureness, and would never do such horrible things as humans have.
** Humans not only [[HellHasNewManagement take over hell]] but exploit it ruthlessly as a colony, turning it into IndustrializedEvil [[MainliningTheMonster [[ForTheEvulz for immortality and violation of conventional laws of physics]] despite knowing that should they die they will suffer the same fate as all of the other damned.
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** All humans did was PokeThePoodle and the other alien races NeverLiveItDown.

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** All humans did was PokeThePoodle and the other alien races NeverLiveItDown.[[OnceDoneNeverForgotten never let them forget it]].
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** Humans are seen being highly violent raiders who attack from unprovoked from stealth. This isn't out of malice but from circumstance. The peaceful humans were wiped out through a combination of open attacks and betrayals from those claiming to help them. [[ProperlyParanoid Now they don't trust anyone]] and [[IDidWhatIHadToDo kill to ensure they will survive]]. This isn't a mere FreudianExcuse - once they receive a DoomsdayDevice they don't use it for revenge but to instead forge a peace [[IfIWantedYouDead that doesn't depend on trust]].

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** Humans are seen being highly violent raiders who attack from unprovoked from stealth. This isn't out of malice but from circumstance. The peaceful humans were wiped out through a combination of open attacks and betrayals from those claiming to help them. [[ProperlyParanoid Now they don't trust anyone]] and [[IDidWhatIHadToDo kill to ensure they will survive]]. This isn't a mere FreudianExcuse - once they receive a DoomsdayDevice DoomsdayDevice, [[SwordOfDamocles they don't use it for revenge but to instead forge a peace peace]] [[IfIWantedYouDead that doesn't depend on trust]].trust]] but instead on the universal fear of [[MutuallyAssuredDestruction both sides being caught in a mass extinction of galactic proportions]] should any major solar system, owned by human or alien be destroyed by the other.
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** [[MoralMyopia The reason the aliens view humanity as evil beings is because that they are just as bad the humans themselves]]. They see them as a scapegoat for their own violent actions and behavior.

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** [[MoralMyopia The reason the aliens view humanity as evil beings is because that they are just as bad the humans themselves]]. They see them as a scapegoat for their own violent actions and behavior. The discovery of credible evidence of humans who show genuine affection for each other and are willing or even capable of changing their ways after decades or even centuries of ruthlessly exterminating humans under the belief that they deserve to go extinct for their perceived sins is enough for the invading aliens [[VillainousBSOD to suffer either a species-wide]] MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment, GoMadFromTheRevelation of [[HumansAreGood humanity's]] [[HumansAreSpecial virtues]], [[EnemyCivilWar become trapped in an internal conflict of conservatives who hate humans and those who think they can prove themselves worthy in the eyes of them]], [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs or all of the above]].



** This public relations representative has a lot more influence than the aliens realized, and though not all of humanity are {{Jerkass}}es, humanity still rises up under their corrupt leader's flag during an ensuing species war.

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** This public relations representative has a lot more influence than the aliens realized, and though not all of humanity are {{Jerkass}}es, humanity still rises up under their corrupt leader's flag during an ensuing species war. It's then they realize that humanity in general isn't to blame for its sins, it's their woefully outdated politics and society that need to be enlightened.
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** Animals hold humans as [[HumansAreCthulhu have near incomprehensible goals]] [[GaiasLament that they transform the recklessly in service of]]. They [[InvertedTrope advance]] [[HumansAdvanceSwiftly and catch up and defeat humanity]] only to find that given sapience and using it to further their goals they act almost [[FullCircleRevolution exactly the same.]]

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** Animals hold humans as [[HumansAreCthulhu have near incomprehensible goals]] [[GaiasLament that they transform the world recklessly in service of]]. They The animals [[InvertedTrope advance]] [[HumansAdvanceSwiftly and catch up and defeat humanity]] only to find that given sapience and using it to further their goals they act almost [[FullCircleRevolution exactly the same.]]
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** Animals hold humans as [[HumansAreCthulhu have near incomprehensible goals]] [[GaiasLament that they transform the recklessly in service of]]. They [[InvertedTrope advance]] [[HumansAdvanceSwiftly and catch up and defeat humanity]] only to find that given sapience and using it to further their goals [[NotSoDifferent they act almost]] [[FullCircleRevolution exactly the same.]]

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** Animals hold humans as [[HumansAreCthulhu have near incomprehensible goals]] [[GaiasLament that they transform the recklessly in service of]]. They [[InvertedTrope advance]] [[HumansAdvanceSwiftly and catch up and defeat humanity]] only to find that given sapience and using it to further their goals [[NotSoDifferent they act almost]] almost [[FullCircleRevolution exactly the same.]]
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** Animals hold humans as [[HumansAreCthulu all destroying and near incomprehensible greedy race]]. They [[InvertedTrope advance]] [[HumansAdvanceSwiftly and catch up and defeat humanity]] only to find that given sapience and using it to further their goals [[NotSoDifferent they act almost]] [[FullCircleRevolution exactly the same.]]

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** Animals hold humans as [[HumansAreCthulu all destroying and [[HumansAreCthulhu have near incomprehensible greedy race]].goals]] [[GaiasLament that they transform the recklessly in service of]]. They [[InvertedTrope advance]] [[HumansAdvanceSwiftly and catch up and defeat humanity]] only to find that given sapience and using it to further their goals [[NotSoDifferent they act almost]] [[FullCircleRevolution exactly the same.]]
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** Animals hold humans as [[HumansAreCthulu all destroying and near incomprehensible greedy race]]. They [[InvertedTrope advance]] [[HumansAdvanceSwiftly and catch up and defeat humanity]] only to find that given sapience and using it to further their goals [[NotSoDifferent they act almost]] [[FullCircleRevolution exactly the same.]]
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* '''Exaggerated''': Humans are AlwaysChaoticEvil and {{Complete Monster}}s, down to the very last member of their race. All they do every waking hour is betray, lie, steal, torture and murder each other. And over the most [[EvilIsPetty trivial]] [[DisproportionateRetribution of]] [[SillyReasonForWar reasons]] too. In fact, scratch that, for ''[[ForTheEvulz no reason whatsoever]]''. They constantly [[MoralEventHorizon cross the line]], and either [[CardCarryingVillain consistently insist on being called evil]] or [[KnightTemplar insist that they are doing the right thing]].

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* '''Exaggerated''': Humans are AlwaysChaoticEvil and {{Complete Monster}}s, down to the very last member of their race. All they do every waking hour is betray, lie, steal, torture and murder each other. And over the most [[EvilIsPetty trivial]] [[DisproportionateRetribution of]] [[SillyReasonForWar reasons]] too. In fact, scratch that, for ''[[ForTheEvulz no reason whatsoever]]''. They constantly [[MoralEventHorizon cross the line]], and either [[CardCarryingVillain consistently insist on being called evil]] or [[KnightTemplar insist that they are doing the right thing]]. Other species meanwhile, are AlwaysLawfulGood and IncorruptiblePurePureness, and would never do such horrible things as humans have.
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** Humans are considered evil monsters by an alien race and are ordered to be[[KillAllHumans eradicated]]. However, during their invasion, the aliens slowly realize that [[HumansAreGood Humanity is benevolent from birth]], their homeworld is a {{Utopia}} [[RousseauWasRight and their society encourages goodness]]. Once the realization finally sets in, cue the aliens having an MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment en masse as the now know [[AliensAreBastards who the real evil monsters are.]]

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** Humans are considered evil monsters by an alien race and are ordered to be[[KillAllHumans be [[KillAllHumans eradicated]]. However, during their invasion, the aliens slowly realize that [[HumansAreGood Humanity is benevolent from birth]], their homeworld is a {{Utopia}} {{Utopia}}, [[RousseauWasRight and their society encourages goodness]]. Once the [[HeelRealization realization finally sets in, in]], cue the aliens having an MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment en masse as the now know [[AliensAreBastards who the real evil monsters are.]]
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** Humans are considered evil monsters by an alien race and are ordered to be[[KillAllHumans eradicated]]. However, during their invasion, the aliens slowly realize that [[HumansAreGood Humanity is benevolent from birth]], their homeworld is a {{Utopia}} [[RousseauWasRight and their society encourages goodness]]. Once the realization finally sets in, cue the aliens having an MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment en masse as the now know [[AliensAreBastards who the real evil monsters are.]]
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** It's actually averted, but for other reasons the humans that would try their best to get along with everybody are forced to stay away from the borders of the human empires, effectively shutting off any humans who only want peace.

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** It's actually averted, but for other reasons the reasons: The humans that would try their best to get along with everybody are forced to stay away from the borders of the human empires, effectively shutting off any humans who only want peace.
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** Humans not only [[HellHasNewManagement take over hell]] but exploit it ruthlessly as a colony, turning it into IndustrializedEvil that [[MainliningtheMonster for immortality and violation of conventional laws of physics]] despite knowing that should they die they will suffer the same fate.

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** Humans not only [[HellHasNewManagement take over hell]] but exploit it ruthlessly as a colony, turning it into IndustrializedEvil that [[MainliningtheMonster [[MainliningTheMonster for immortality and violation of conventional laws of physics]] despite knowing that should they die they will suffer the same fate.fate as all of the other damned.
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** Humans not only [[HellHasNewManagement take over hell]] but exploit it ruthlessly as a colony, turning it into IndustrializedEvil that [[MainliningtheMonster for immortality and violation of conventional laws of physics]] despite knowing that should they die they will suffer the same fate.

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* '''Exaggerated''':
** Humans are AlwaysChaoticEvil and {{Complete Monster}}s, down to the very last member of their race. All they do every waking hour is betray, lie, steal, torture and murder each other. And over the most [[EvilIsPetty trivial]] [[DisproportionateRetribution of]] [[SillyReasonForWar reasons]] too. In fact, scratch that, for ''[[ForTheEvulz no reason whatsoever]]''. They constantly [[MoralEventHorizon cross the line]], and either [[CardCarryingVillain consistently insist on being called evil]] or [[KnightTemplar insist that they are doing the right thing.]]

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'''Exaggerated''': Humans are AlwaysChaoticEvil and {{Complete Monster}}s, down to the very last member of their race. All they do every waking hour is betray, lie, steal, torture and murder each other. And over the most [[EvilIsPetty trivial]] [[DisproportionateRetribution of]] [[SillyReasonForWar reasons]] too. In fact, scratch that, for ''[[ForTheEvulz no reason whatsoever]]''. They constantly [[MoralEventHorizon cross the line]], and either [[CardCarryingVillain consistently insist on being called evil]] or [[KnightTemplar insist that they are doing the right thing.]]thing]].



** Most humans are pretty much evil... well, [[ChildrenAreInnocent most of them over the age of ten, at any rate.]]

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** Most humans are pretty much evil... well, [[ChildrenAreInnocent most of them over the age of ten, at any rate.]]rate]].



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** [[HumansAreGood Humans are paragons of virtue compared to alien species.]]
** AliensAreBastards

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'''Inverted''': [[HumansAreGood Humans are paragons of virtue virtue]] [[AliensAreBastards compared to alien species.]]
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species]].



** Humans are seen being highly violent raiders who attack from unprovoked from stealth. This isn't out of malice but from circumstance. The peaceful humans were wiped out through a combination of open attacks and betrayals from those claiming to help them. [[ProperlyParanoid Now they don't trust anyone]] and [[IDidWhatIHadToDo kill to ensure they will survive.]] This isn't a mere FreudianExcuse - once they receive a DoomsdayDevice they don't use it for revenge but to instead forge a peace [[IfIWantedYouDead that doesn't depend on trust.]]

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** Humans are seen being highly violent raiders who attack from unprovoked from stealth. This isn't out of malice but from circumstance. The peaceful humans were wiped out through a combination of open attacks and betrayals from those claiming to help them. [[ProperlyParanoid Now they don't trust anyone]] and [[IDidWhatIHadToDo kill to ensure they will survive.]] survive]]. This isn't a mere FreudianExcuse - once they receive a DoomsdayDevice they don't use it for revenge but to instead forge a peace [[IfIWantedYouDead that doesn't depend on trust.]]trust]].



** Humans are considered a moral WildCard and dangerously unpredictable. When they seem good they can get [[KnightTemplar caught up and go too far]]. When they seem evil they often [[TheAtoner drop everything and make amends]] after they have conquered half the galaxy. Sometimes it is generational, other times it happens when they age. Most aliens suspect that [[HumanityIsInsane their brains still have some evolutionary glitches.]]

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** Humans are considered a moral WildCard and dangerously unpredictable. When they seem good they can get [[KnightTemplar caught up and go too far]]. When they seem evil they often [[TheAtoner drop everything and make amends]] after they have conquered half the galaxy. Sometimes it is generational, other times it happens when they age. Most aliens suspect that [[HumanityIsInsane their brains still have some evolutionary glitches.]]glitches]].



* '''Enforced''': The author is [[MisanthropeSupreme misanthropic.]]

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* '''Enforced''': The author is [[MisanthropeSupreme misanthropic.]]misanthropic]].



** [[MoralMyopia The reason the aliens view humanity as evil beings is because that they are just as bad the humans themselves.]] They see them as a scapegoat for their own violent actions and behavior.

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** [[MoralMyopia The reason the aliens view humanity as evil beings is because that they are just as bad the humans themselves.]] themselves]]. They see them as a scapegoat for their own violent actions and behavior.



** The reasons humans are scum is because they've been ''[[FantasticRacism treated]]'' like scum for their entire starfaring existence-at some point, decided as a species, that if they weren't going to have respect as allies and trusted friends, [[ThenLetMeBeEvil then they would have it as conquerors and manipulators.]]

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** The reasons humans are scum is because they've been ''[[FantasticRacism treated]]'' like scum for their entire starfaring existence-at some point, decided as a species, that if they weren't going to have respect as allies and trusted friends, [[ThenLetMeBeEvil then they would have it as conquerors and manipulators.]]manipulators]].



** The aliens, realizing their hypocrisy, right their ways. [[HereWeGoAgain However, the humans begin a vicious cycle by using the aliens as a scapegoat for violence in return.]]

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** The aliens, realizing their hypocrisy, right their ways. [[HereWeGoAgain However, the humans begin a vicious cycle by using the aliens as a scapegoat for violence in return.]]return]].



** The FantasticRacism toward humans [[AlwaysChaoticEvil was entirely]] [[TheExtremistWasRight justified]], and all humans are doing is [[NotHelpingYourCase proving the aliens’ point.]]
* '''Played For Laughs''': The human ambassador is [[AssInAmbassador a pompous asshole who whizzes on the feet of the alien king, kisses the alien queen, kicks their pet, and gives the chancellor a wedgie.]]

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** The FantasticRacism toward humans [[AlwaysChaoticEvil was entirely]] [[TheExtremistWasRight justified]], and all humans are doing is [[NotHelpingYourCase proving the aliens’ point.]]
point]].
* '''Played For Laughs''': The human ambassador is [[AssInAmbassador a pompous asshole who whizzes on the feet of the alien king, kisses the alien queen, kicks their pet, and gives the chancellor a wedgie.]]wedgie]].
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** [[HumansAreBastards Humans reserve their malevolence for other humans]].
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* '''Played for Horror''': Upon their first contact with an alien race, humans brutally murder alien diplomats and publically display their mutilated corpses.
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** Humans are only evil compared to the Aurori, a pacifist race, who see mankind as brutal and destructive. In reality, the brutal humans are the exception, not the norm.
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** Humans are seen being highly violent raiders who attack from unprovoked from stealth. This isn't out of malice but from circumstance. The peaceful humans were wiped out through a combination of open attacks and betrayals from those claiming to help them. [[ProperlyParanoid Now they don't trust anyone]] and [[IDidWhatIHadToDo kill to ensure they will survive.]] This isn't a mere FreudianExcuse - once they receive a DoomsdayDevice they don't use it for revenge but to instead forge a peace [[IfIWantedYouDead that doesn't depend on trust.]]


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** Humans are considered a moral WildCard and dangerously unpredictable. When they seem good they can get [[KnightTemplar caught up and go too far]]. When they seem evil they often [[TheAtoner drop everything and make amends]] after they have conquered half the galaxy. Sometimes it is generational, other times it happens when they age. Most aliens suspect that [[HumanityIsInsane their brains still have some evolutionary glitches.]]
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** The writer considers an alien/other race being more evil than humanity to be an example of UnfortunateImplications, so he decides to subvert it by having man act morally depraved.
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** The FantasticRacism toward humans [[AlwaysChaoticEvil was entirely]] [[TheExtremistWasRight justified]], and all humans are doing is [[NotHelpingYourCase proving the aliens’ point.]]
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* '''Discussed''': "Man, we're such assholes, aren't we?"
* '''Conversed''': "Unbelievable! How dare those humans act so rude to us!"

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* '''Discussed''': "Man, we're such assholes, aren't we?"
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"Unbelievable! How dare those humans act so rude to us!"us!"
* '''Conversed''': "Man, we're such assholes in this show, aren't we?"



** [[{{Hypocrite}} The reason the aliens view humanity as evil beings is because that they are just as bad the humans themselves.]] They see them as a scapegoat for their own violent actions and behavior.
** Alternately, humanity just has really bad public relations with the rest of the universe, due to their liaison being a GeneralRipper or a {{Jerkass}}.
** The reasons humans are scum is because they've been ''[[FantasticRacism treated]]'' like scum for their entire starfaring existence-at some point, we decided as a species, that if we weren't going to have respect as allies and trusted friends, [[ThenLetMeBeEvil then we would have it as conquerors and manipulators.]]

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** [[{{Hypocrite}} [[MoralMyopia The reason the aliens view humanity as evil beings is because that they are just as bad the humans themselves.]] They see them as a scapegoat for their own violent actions and behavior.
** Alternately, humanity Humanity just has really bad public relations with the rest of the universe, due to their liaison being a GeneralRipper or a {{Jerkass}}.
** The reasons humans are scum is because they've been ''[[FantasticRacism treated]]'' like scum for their entire starfaring existence-at some point, we decided as a species, that if we they weren't going to have respect as allies and trusted friends, [[ThenLetMeBeEvil then we they would have it as conquerors and manipulators.]]



** Alternately, this public relations representative has a lot more influence than the aliens realized, and though not all of humanity are {{Jerkass}}es, humanity still rises up under their corrupt leader's flag during an ensuing species war.

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** Alternately, this This public relations representative has a lot more influence than the aliens realized, and though not all of humanity are {{Jerkass}}es, humanity still rises up under their corrupt leader's flag during an ensuing species war.

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* '''Implied''': It’s {{Xenofiction}} so no humans are ever shown, but some characters bring up a race of strange bipedal creatures who have been enslaving other races across the universe.



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