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** ''Alice And Bob: The Motion Picture'' is an AlternateHistory story, where Alice is pretty much a different person ForWantOfANail.
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** ''Alice And Bob: The Motion Picture'' is an AlternateHistory story, where Alice is pretty much a different person ForWantOfANail.after a crucial PointOfDivergence.
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** Movie Alice appears worse than her historical counterpart, but turns out to be misunderstood... At least, until she decides that [[ThenLetMeBeEvil if everyone sees her as a villain anyway, she might as well become one]].
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** Movie Alice appears worse than her historical counterpart, but [[NotEvilJustMisunderstood turns out to be misunderstood...misunderstood]]. At least, until she decides that [[ThenLetMeBeEvil if everyone sees her as a villain anyway, she might as well become one]].
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* '''Exaggerated''': In real life, Alice spent her entire life as a nun, doing nothing but praying and worshipping the gods. In TheMovie, she [[DepravedBisexual rapes men and women]], betrays her own country for more money and power, and gleefully carries out a genocide.
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* '''Exaggerated''': In real life, Alice spent her entire life as a nun, doing nothing but praying and worshipping the gods. In TheMovie, she [[DepravedBisexual rapes men and women]], [[TheQuisling betrays her own country for more money and power, power]], and gleefully carries out a genocide.
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** The real Queen Alice was known for her poor treatment of a certain ethnic group, but the movie portrays her as downright genocidal.
** The director of ''AliceAndBob: [[TheMovie The Motion Picture]]'' exaggerated Alice's tendency to give {{Embarrassing Nickname}}s to her friends and [[WhenYouComingHomeDad miss her children's dance recitals.]]
** The real Queen Alice was known for her poor treatment of a certain ethnic group, but the movie portrays her as downright genocidal.
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* '''Downplayed''':
**'''Downplayed''': The director of ''AliceAndBob: [[TheMovie The Motion Picture]]'' exaggerated Alice's tendency to give {{Embarrassing Nickname}}s to her friends and [[WhenYouComingHomeDad miss her children's dance recitals.]]
** The real Queen Alice was known for her poor treatment of a certain ethnic group, but the movie portrays her as downright genocidal.]]
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** The real Queen Alice was known for her poor treatment of a certain ethnic group, but the movie portrays her as downright genocidal.
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* '''Reconstructed''': ''Alice Troper: The Miniseries'' comes out, rehabilitating people's opinions of Alice.
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** ''Alice Troper: The Miniseries'' comes out, rehabilitating people's opinions ofAlice.Alice.
** Alice becomes a beloved pop culture icon due to her [[EvilIsCool badass villainous]] portrayals.
** ''Alice Troper: The Miniseries'' comes out, rehabilitating people's opinions of
** Alice becomes a beloved pop culture icon due to her [[EvilIsCool badass villainous]] portrayals.
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** Movie Alice appears worse than her historical counterpart at first, but turns out to be misunderstood; all her evil deeds either had very good reasons or were just in-universe slander.
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** While Alice meant well, [[HarsherInHindsight her actions caused problems in the long run]]. In real life [[ObliviouslyEvil she was ignorant of this]], but the makers of ''Alice and Bob: The Motion Picture'' made her well aware to make it clear that her actions should not be repeated.
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* '''Subverted''': Later historical evidence reveals that Alice Troper did indeed poison her husband for power.
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** Alice's portrayal seems wholly over the top, a near-cackling villain skipping the MoralEventHorizon like crazy. It ''seems'' unbelievable due to how over the top it is, but [[RealityIsUnrealistic it turns out she really was that bad]].
** Later historical evidence reveals that Alice Troper did indeed poison her husband for
** Alice's portrayal seems wholly over the top, a near-cackling villain skipping the MoralEventHorizon like crazy. It ''seems'' unbelievable due to how over the top it is, but [[RealityIsUnrealistic it turns out she really was that bad]].
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** Alice is the only character portrayed with [[ValuesDissonance historically accurate values.]] Most others get 'adapted' to something more acceptable.
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* '''Downplayed''': The director of ''AliceAndBob: [[TheMovie The Motion Picture]]'' exaggerated Alice's tendency to give {{Embarrassing Nickname}}s to her friends and [[WhenYouComingHomeDad miss her children's dance recitals.]]
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* '''Downplayed''': '''Downplayed''':
** The director of ''AliceAndBob: [[TheMovie The Motion Picture]]'' exaggerated Alice's tendency to give {{Embarrassing Nickname}}s to her friends and [[WhenYouComingHomeDad miss her children's dance recitals.]]]]
** The real Queen Alice was known for her poor treatment of a certain ethnic group, but the movie portrays her as downright genocidal.
** The director of ''AliceAndBob: [[TheMovie The Motion Picture]]'' exaggerated Alice's tendency to give {{Embarrassing Nickname}}s to her friends and [[WhenYouComingHomeDad miss her children's dance recitals.
** The real Queen Alice was known for her poor treatment of a certain ethnic group, but the movie portrays her as downright genocidal.
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* '''Parodied''': The character of Alice in the movie rattles off all the good things she did in real life -- and the {{Designated Hero}}es summarily {{hand wave}} them away.
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* '''Parodied''': '''Parodied''':
** The character of Alice in the movie rattles off all the good things she did in real life -- and the {{Designated Hero}}es summarily {{hand wave}} themaway.away.
** Alice is a stereotypical supervillain with a DoomsdayDevice and a convoluted DeathTrap for our hero(ine) to escape from.
** The character of Alice in the movie rattles off all the good things she did in real life -- and the {{Designated Hero}}es summarily {{hand wave}} them
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** [[ValuesDissonance While that made Alice evil by the standards of the previous generation, now most agree that poisoning her husband was justifiable considering that he was going to execute her son on a whim.]]
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** [[ValuesDissonance While that made Alice evil by the standards of the previous generation, now most agree that poisoning her husband was justifiable considering that he was going to execute her their son on a whim.]]
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* '''Zig Zagged''': '''Zig-Zagged''': The movie dips in and out of a sympathetic portrayal.
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** "Well, boys, I like the script, but those moronic viewers can't understand subtle, nuanced characters. If you just make Alice an evil, puppy-kicking harpy then I think things will go over much more easily."
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** "Well, boys, I like the script, but [[ViewersAreMorons those moronic viewers can't understand subtle, nuanced characters. characters]]. If you just make Alice an evil, puppy-kicking harpy then harpy, I think things will go over much more easily."
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* '''Invoked''': The movie makers spew propaganda to paint Alice as a villain.
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* '''Invoked''': The movie makers filmmakers spew propaganda to paint Alice as a villain.
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* '''Defied''': See "Averted".
* '''Discussed''': "The history books may put you down as some kind of hero, Alice. But you'll always know the truth about what you've done!"
* '''Conversed''': "So Alice was a DepravedBisexual who couldn't go twenty-four hours without [[KickTheDog kicking a dog]]? [[SarcasmMode So much for my PhD thesis.]]"
* '''Discussed''': "The history books may put you down as some kind of hero, Alice. But you'll always know the truth about what you've done!"
* '''Conversed''': "So Alice was a DepravedBisexual who couldn't go twenty-four hours without [[KickTheDog kicking a dog]]? [[SarcasmMode So much for my PhD thesis.]]"
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* '''Conversed''':"So "So, Alice was a DepravedBisexual who couldn't go twenty-four hours without [[KickTheDog kicking a dog]]? [[SarcasmMode So much for my PhD thesis.]]"
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* '''Straight''': Alice Troper was, back in the day, a very ambitious and powerful aristocrat. When ''{{Alice and Bob}}: [[TheMovie The Motion Picture]]'' comes out, she's painted as an irredeemably {{evil matriarch}}.
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* '''Straight''': Alice Troper was, back in the day, a very ambitious and powerful aristocrat. When ''{{Alice and Bob}}: ''AliceAndBob: [[TheMovie The Motion Picture]]'' comes out, she's painted as an irredeemably {{evil matriarch}}.EvilMatriarch.
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* '''Downplayed''': The director of ''{{Alice and Bob}}: [[TheMovie The Motion Picture]]'' exaggerated Alice's tendency to give {{Embarrassing Nickname}}s to her friends and [[WhenYouComingHomeDad miss her children's dance recitals]].
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* '''Downplayed''': The director of ''{{Alice and Bob}}: ''AliceAndBob: [[TheMovie The Motion Picture]]'' exaggerated Alice's tendency to give {{Embarrassing Nickname}}s to her friends and [[WhenYouComingHomeDad miss her children's dance recitals]].recitals.]]
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* '''Parodied''': The character of Alice in the movie rattles off all the good things she did in real life - and then the heroes summarily {{hand wave}} them away.
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* '''Parodied''': The character of Alice in the movie rattles off all the good things she did in real life - -- and then the heroes {{Designated Hero}}es summarily {{hand wave}} them away.
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** The movie makes are tired of seeing Alice getting {{Historical Hero Upgrade}}s, so they try to avoid this. Unfortunately, they avoid it by going too far the other way.
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* '''Exploited''': ???People who disagree with Alice's ideals use her bad reputation and lines espousing them as AntiAdvice, or something similar.
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* '''Conversed''': "So Alice was a DepravedBisexual who couldn't go 24 hours without [[KickTheDog kicking a dog]]? [[SarcasmMode So much for my Ph.D. thesis]]."
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* '''Conversed''': "So Alice was a DepravedBisexual who couldn't go 24 twenty-four hours without [[KickTheDog kicking a dog]]? [[SarcasmMode So much for my Ph.D. thesis]]."PhD thesis.]]"
* '''Implied''': An unflattering {{biopic}} of Alice is [[CriticalDissonance far more popular than an esteemed, highbrow book of scholarly biography.]]
* '''Implied''': An unflattering {{biopic}} of Alice is [[CriticalDissonance far more popular than an esteemed, highbrow book of scholarly biography.]]
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* '''Played For Laughs''': A historical television show trying to use comedy to teach children about historical figures paints Alice as a Woobie beset upon by lazy writers.
* '''Played For Drama''': Alice's family, and the people in her hometown, are utterly horrified to see the legacy of their dear friend tarnished. They leave the theater in disgust, then sue the director for defamation.
* '''Played For Drama''': Alice's family, and the people in her hometown, are utterly horrified to see the legacy of their dear friend tarnished. They leave the theater in disgust, then sue the director for defamation.
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* '''Played For for Laughs''': A historical television show trying to use comedy to teach children about historical figures paints Alice as [[TheWoobie a Woobie Woobie]] beset upon by lazy writers.
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'''Basic Trope:''' A real-life not-completely-evil person who, through the lens of history, is viewed as a villain.
* '''Straight:''' Alice Troper was, back in the day, a very ambitious and powerful aristocrat. When ''{{Alice and Bob}}: [[TheMovie The Motion Picture]]'' comes out, she's painted as an irredeemably {{evil matriarch}}.
* '''Exaggerated:''' In real life, Alice spent her entire life as a nun, doing nothing but praying and worshipping the gods. In TheMovie, she [[DepravedBisexual rapes men and women]], betrays her own country for more money and power, and gleefully carries out a genocide.
* '''Straight:''' Alice Troper was, back in the day, a very ambitious and powerful aristocrat. When ''{{Alice and Bob}}: [[TheMovie The Motion Picture]]'' comes out, she's painted as an irredeemably {{evil matriarch}}.
* '''Exaggerated:''' In real life, Alice spent her entire life as a nun, doing nothing but praying and worshipping the gods. In TheMovie, she [[DepravedBisexual rapes men and women]], betrays her own country for more money and power, and gleefully carries out a genocide.
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'''Basic Trope:''' Trope''': A real-life not-completely-evil person who, through the lens of history, is viewed as a villain.
*'''Straight:''' '''Straight''': Alice Troper was, back in the day, a very ambitious and powerful aristocrat. When ''{{Alice and Bob}}: [[TheMovie The Motion Picture]]'' comes out, she's painted as an irredeemably {{evil matriarch}}.
*'''Exaggerated:''' '''Exaggerated''': In real life, Alice spent her entire life as a nun, doing nothing but praying and worshipping the gods. In TheMovie, she [[DepravedBisexual rapes men and women]], betrays her own country for more money and power, and gleefully carries out a genocide.
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* '''Parodied:''' The character of Alice in the movie rattles off all the good things she did in real life - and then the heroes summarily {{hand wave}} them away.
* '''Zig Zagged:''' The movie dips in and out of a sympathetic portrayal.
* '''Averted:''' The movie writers decide to do the research and paint the characters correctly.
* '''Enforced:''' "Well, boys, I like the script, but those moronic viewers can't understand subtle, nuanced characters. If you just make Alice an evil, puppy-kicking harpy then I think things will go over much more easily."
* '''Lampshaded:''' "Alice Troper, did you really poison your family members for power? Really?"
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** The movie makers spew propaganda to paint Alice as a villain.
** The movie is tired of seeing Alice getting HistoricalHeroUpgrades, so they try to avoid this. Unfortunatly, they avoid it by going too far the other way.
* '''Zig Zagged:''' The movie dips in and out of a sympathetic portrayal.
* '''Averted:''' The movie writers decide to do the research and paint the characters correctly.
* '''Enforced:''' "Well, boys, I like the script, but those moronic viewers can't understand subtle, nuanced characters. If you just make Alice an evil, puppy-kicking harpy then I think things will go over much more easily."
* '''Lampshaded:''' "Alice Troper, did you really poison your family members for power? Really?"
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** The movie makers spew propaganda to paint Alice as a villain.
** The movie is tired of seeing Alice getting HistoricalHeroUpgrades, so they try to avoid this. Unfortunatly, they avoid it by going too far the other way.
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* '''Parodied:''' '''Parodied''': The character of Alice in the movie rattles off all the good things she did in real life - and then the heroes summarily {{hand wave}} them away.
* '''ZigZagged:''' Zagged''': The movie dips in and out of a sympathetic portrayal.
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** The movie makes are tired of seeing Alice getting {{Historical Hero Upgrade}}s, so they try to avoid this. Unfortunately, they avoid it by going too far the other way.
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* '''Defied:''' See "Averted".
* '''Discussed:''' "The history books may put you down as some kind of hero, Alice. But you'll always know the truth about what you've done!"
* '''Conversed:''' "So Alice was a DepravedBisexual who couldn't go 24 hours without [[KickTheDog kicking a dog]]? [[SarcasmMode So much for my Ph.D. thesis]]."
* '''Deconstructed:''' Popular opinion of Alice Troper never recovers, causing her to be viewed unfavorably throughout history for a very, very long time.
* '''Reconstructed:''' ''Alice Troper: The Miniseries'' comes out, rehabilitating people's opinions of Alice.
* '''Discussed:''' "The history books may put you down as some kind of hero, Alice. But you'll always know the truth about what you've done!"
* '''Conversed:''' "So Alice was a DepravedBisexual who couldn't go 24 hours without [[KickTheDog kicking a dog]]? [[SarcasmMode So much for my Ph.D. thesis]]."
* '''Deconstructed:''' Popular opinion of Alice Troper never recovers, causing her to be viewed unfavorably throughout history for a very, very long time.
* '''Reconstructed:''' ''Alice Troper: The Miniseries'' comes out, rehabilitating people's opinions of Alice.
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* '''Defied:''' '''Defied''': See "Averted".
*'''Discussed:''' '''Discussed''': "The history books may put you down as some kind of hero, Alice. But you'll always know the truth about what you've done!"
*'''Conversed:''' '''Conversed''': "So Alice was a DepravedBisexual who couldn't go 24 hours without [[KickTheDog kicking a dog]]? [[SarcasmMode So much for my Ph.D. thesis]]."
*'''Deconstructed:''' '''Deconstructed''': Popular opinion of Alice Troper never recovers, causing her to be viewed unfavorably throughout history for a very, very long time.
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** [[ValueDissonance While that made Alice evil by the standards of the previous generation, now most agree that poisoning her husband was justifiable considering that he was going to execute her son on a whim.]]
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* '''Reconstructed:''' "Alice Troper: The Miniseries" comes out, rehabilitating people's opinions of Alice.
* '''Played For Laughs''': "A historical television show trying to use comedy to teach children about historical figures paints Alice as a Woobie beset upon by lazy writers.
* '''Played For Drama''': "Alice's family, and the people in her hometown, are utterly horrified to see the legacy of their dear friend tarnished. They leave the theater in disgust, then sue the director for defamation.
* '''Played For Laughs''': "A historical television show trying to use comedy to teach children about historical figures paints Alice as a Woobie beset upon by lazy writers.
* '''Played For Drama''': "Alice's family, and the people in her hometown, are utterly horrified to see the legacy of their dear friend tarnished. They leave the theater in disgust, then sue the director for defamation.
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* '''Reconstructed:''' "Alice ''Alice Troper: The Miniseries" Miniseries'' comes out, rehabilitating people's opinions of Alice.
* '''Played For Laughs''':"A A historical television show trying to use comedy to teach children about historical figures paints Alice as a Woobie beset upon by lazy writers.
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* '''Parodied:''' The character of Alice in the movie rattles off all the good things she did in real life - and then the heroes summarily {{hand wave}}s them away.
* '''Deconstructed:''' Popular opinion of Alice Troper never recovers, causing her to be viewed unfavorably throughout history for a very, very long time.
* '''Reconstructed:''' "Alice Troper: The Miniseries" comes out, rehabilitating people's opinions of Alice.
* '''Deconstructed:''' Popular opinion of Alice Troper never recovers, causing her to be viewed unfavorably throughout history for a very, very long time.
* '''Reconstructed:''' "Alice Troper: The Miniseries" comes out, rehabilitating people's opinions of Alice.
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* '''Parodied:''' The character of Alice in the movie rattles off all the good things she did in real life - and then the heroes summarily {{hand wave}}s wave}} them away.
* '''Deconstructed:''' Popular opinion of Alice Troper never recovers, causing her to be viewed unfavorably throughout history for a very, very long time.
* '''Reconstructed:''' "Alice Troper: The Miniseries" comes out, rehabilitating people's opinions of Alice.away.
* '''Deconstructed:''' Popular opinion of Alice Troper never recovers, causing her to be viewed unfavorably throughout history for a very, very long time.
* '''Reconstructed:''' "Alice Troper: The Miniseries" comes out, rehabilitating people's opinions of Alice.
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* '''Deconstructed:''' Popular opinion of Alice Troper never recovers, causing her to be viewed unfavorably throughout history for a very, very long time.
* '''Reconstructed:''' "Alice Troper: The Miniseries" comes out, rehabilitating people's opinions of Alice.
* '''Reconstructed:''' "Alice Troper: The Miniseries" comes out, rehabilitating people's opinions of Alice.
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* '''Straight:''' Alice Troper was, back in the day, a very ambitious and powerful aristocrat. When ''{{Alice and Bob}}: [[TheMovie The Motion Picture]]'' comes out, she's painted as [[CompleteMonster an irredeemably]] [[EvilMatriarch evil matriarch.]]
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* '''Straight:''' Alice Troper was, back in the day, a very ambitious and powerful aristocrat. When ''{{Alice and Bob}}: [[TheMovie The Motion Picture]]'' comes out, she's painted as [[CompleteMonster an irredeemably]] [[EvilMatriarch evil matriarch.]]irredeemably {{evil matriarch}}.
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* '''Justified:''' The makers of ''Alice and Bob: The Motion Picture'' sided against Alice Troper, so naturally they'd want to make her look bad.
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* '''Justified:''' '''Justified:'''
** The makers of ''Alice and Bob: The Motion Picture'' sided against Alice Troper, so naturally they'd want to make her look bad.
** The makers of ''Alice and Bob: The Motion Picture'' sided against Alice Troper, so naturally they'd want to make her look bad.
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* '''Double Subverted:''' ...but her other evil actions have been either fabricated or exaggerated.
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** ...but her other evil actions have been either fabricated or exaggerated.
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* '''Invoked:''' In the movie, Bob spews propaganda to paint Alice as a villain.
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* '''Invoked:''' In the movie, Bob spews The movie makers spew propaganda to paint Alice as a villain.
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'''Basic Trope:''' A real-life (relatively) good person who, through the lens of history, is viewed as a villain.
* '''Straight:''' Alice Troper was, back in the day, a kindhearted, hard-working person who happened to oppose the political views of Bob Editor. When ''{{Alice and Bob}}: [[TheMovie The Motion Picture]]'' comes out, she's painted as an evil shrew, which causes popular opinion of her to sway in that direction.
* '''Exaggerated:''' Alice was practically TheMessiah compared to the evil, hideous Bob. The movie still paints her as an evil shrew.
* '''Justified:''' The makers of ''Alice and Bob: The Motion Picture'' sided with Bob politically, so naturally they'd want to make him look good -- and her look bad.
* '''Straight:''' Alice Troper was, back in the day, a kindhearted, hard-working person who happened to oppose the political views of Bob Editor. When ''{{Alice and Bob}}: [[TheMovie The Motion Picture]]'' comes out, she's painted as an evil shrew, which causes popular opinion of her to sway in that direction.
* '''Exaggerated:''' Alice was practically TheMessiah compared to the evil, hideous Bob. The movie still paints her as an evil shrew.
* '''Justified:''' The makers of ''Alice and Bob: The Motion Picture'' sided with Bob politically, so naturally they'd want to make him look good -- and her look bad.
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'''Basic Trope:''' A real-life (relatively) good not-completely-evil person who, through the lens of history, is viewed as a villain.
* '''Straight:''' Alice Troper was, back in the day, akindhearted, hard-working person who happened to oppose the political views of Bob Editor. very ambitious and powerful aristocrat. When ''{{Alice and Bob}}: [[TheMovie The Motion Picture]]'' comes out, she's painted as [[CompleteMonster an irredeemably]] [[EvilMatriarch evil shrew, which causes popular opinion of her to sway in that direction.
matriarch.]]
* '''Exaggerated:''' In real life, Alicewas practically TheMessiah compared to spent her entire life as a nun, doing nothing but praying and worshipping the evil, hideous Bob. The movie still paints gods. In TheMovie, she rapes men and women, betrays her as an evil shrew.
own country for more money and power, and gleefully carries out a genocide.
* '''Justified:''' The makers of ''Alice and Bob: The Motion Picture'' sidedwith Bob politically, against Alice Troper, so naturally they'd want to make him look good -- and her look bad.bad.
** Earlier historical records were biased against Alice.
* '''Straight:''' Alice Troper was, back in the day, a
* '''Exaggerated:''' In real life, Alice
* '''Justified:''' The makers of ''Alice and Bob: The Motion Picture'' sided
** Earlier historical records were biased against Alice.
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* '''Subverted:''' It seems like the movie is going to paint her sympathetically...
* '''Double Subverted:''' ...but it doesn't and she's made to look fairly bad.
* '''Parodied:''' The character of Alice in the movie rattles off all the good things she did in real life - and then Bob summarily {{hand wave}}s them away.
* '''Double Subverted:''' ...but it doesn't and she's made to look fairly bad.
* '''Parodied:''' The character of Alice in the movie rattles off all the good things she did in real life - and then Bob summarily {{hand wave}}s them away.
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* '''Subverted:''' It seems like the movie is going to paint Later historical evidence reveals that Alice Troper did indeed poison her sympathetically...
husband for power.
* '''Double Subverted:''' ...butit doesn't and she's made to look fairly bad.
her other evil actions have been either fabricated or exaggerated.
** The historical evidence was not accurate.
* '''Parodied:''' The character of Alice in the movie rattles off all the good things she did in real life - and thenBob the heroes summarily {{hand wave}}s them away.
* '''Double Subverted:''' ...but
** The historical evidence was not accurate.
* '''Parodied:''' The character of Alice in the movie rattles off all the good things she did in real life - and then
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* '''Reconstructed:''' "Alice and Bob: The Miniseries" comes out, rehabilitating people's opinions of Alice.
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* '''Reconstructed:''' "Alice and Bob: Troper: The Miniseries" comes out, rehabilitating people's opinions of Alice.
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* '''Lampshaded:''' "You'd think a girl like Alice would be nicer."
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* '''Lampshaded:''' "You'd think a girl like Alice would be nicer.""Alice Troper, did you really poison your family members for power? Really?"
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[-Salieri wants you to go back to HistoricalVillainUpgrade. Don't worry, he's actually a good guy.he wasn't THAT bad.-]
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* '''Invoked:''' See "Enforced".In the movie, Bob spews propaganda to paint Alice as a villain.
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* '''Enforced:''' "Well, boys, I like the script, but those moronic viewers can't understand subtle, nuanced characters. If you just make Alice an evil, puppy-kicking harpy then I think things will go over much easier."
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* '''Enforced:''' "Well, boys, I like the script, but those moronic viewers can't understand subtle, nuanced characters. If you just make Alice an evil, puppy-kicking harpy then I think things will go over much easier.more easily."
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'''Basic Trope''': A real-life (relatively) good person whom, through the lens of history, is viewed as a villain.
* '''Straight''': Alice Troper was, back in the day, a kindhearted, hard-working person who happened to oppose the political views of Bob Editor. When ''Alice and Bob: The Motion Picture'' comes out, she's painted as an evil shrew, which causes popular opinion of her to sway in that direction.
* '''Exaggerated''': Alice was practically TheMessiah compared to the evil, hideous Bob. The movie still paints her as an evil shrew.
* '''Justified''': The makers of ''Alice and Bob: The Motion Picture'' sided with Bob politically, so naturally they'd want to make him look good - and her look bad.
* '''Inverted''': HistoricalHeroUpgrade
* '''Subverted''': It seems like the movie is going to paint her sympathetically...
* '''Double Subverted''': ...but it doesn't and she's made to look fairly bad.
* '''Parodied''': The character of Alice in the movie rattles off all the good things she did in real life - and then Bob summarily handwaves them away.
* '''Deconstructed''': Popular opinion of Alice Troper never recovers, causing her to be viewed unfavorably throughout history for a very, very long time.
* '''Reconstructed''': "Alice and Bob: The Miniseries" comes out, rehabilitating people's opinions of Alice.
* '''Zig Zagged''': The movie dips in and out of a sympathetic portrayal.
* '''Averted''': The movie writers decide to do the research and paint the characters correctly.
* '''Enforced''': "Well, boys, I like the script, but those moronic viewers can't understand subtle, nuanced characters. If you just make Alice an evil, puppy-kicking harpy then I think things will go over much easier."
* '''Lampshaded''': "You'd think a girl like Alice would be nicer."
* '''Invoked''': See "Enforced".
* '''Defied''': See "Averted".
* '''Discussed''': "The history books may put you down as some kind of hero, Alice. But you'll always know the truth about what you've done!"
* '''Conversed''': "So Alice was a DepravedBisexual who couldn't go 24 hours without kicking a dog? [[SarcasmMode So much for my Ph.D. thesis]]."
* '''Straight''': Alice Troper was, back in the day, a kindhearted, hard-working person who happened to oppose the political views of Bob Editor. When ''Alice and Bob: The Motion Picture'' comes out, she's painted as an evil shrew, which causes popular opinion of her to sway in that direction.
* '''Exaggerated''': Alice was practically TheMessiah compared to the evil, hideous Bob. The movie still paints her as an evil shrew.
* '''Justified''': The makers of ''Alice and Bob: The Motion Picture'' sided with Bob politically, so naturally they'd want to make him look good - and her look bad.
* '''Inverted''': HistoricalHeroUpgrade
* '''Subverted''': It seems like the movie is going to paint her sympathetically...
* '''Double Subverted''': ...but it doesn't and she's made to look fairly bad.
* '''Parodied''': The character of Alice in the movie rattles off all the good things she did in real life - and then Bob summarily handwaves them away.
* '''Deconstructed''': Popular opinion of Alice Troper never recovers, causing her to be viewed unfavorably throughout history for a very, very long time.
* '''Reconstructed''': "Alice and Bob: The Miniseries" comes out, rehabilitating people's opinions of Alice.
* '''Zig Zagged''': The movie dips in and out of a sympathetic portrayal.
* '''Averted''': The movie writers decide to do the research and paint the characters correctly.
* '''Enforced''': "Well, boys, I like the script, but those moronic viewers can't understand subtle, nuanced characters. If you just make Alice an evil, puppy-kicking harpy then I think things will go over much easier."
* '''Lampshaded''': "You'd think a girl like Alice would be nicer."
* '''Invoked''': See "Enforced".
* '''Defied''': See "Averted".
* '''Discussed''': "The history books may put you down as some kind of hero, Alice. But you'll always know the truth about what you've done!"
* '''Conversed''': "So Alice was a DepravedBisexual who couldn't go 24 hours without kicking a dog? [[SarcasmMode So much for my Ph.D. thesis]]."
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'''Basic Trope''': Trope:''' A real-life (relatively) good person whom, who, through the lens of history, is viewed as a villain.
* '''Straight''': *'''Straight:''' Alice Troper was, back in the day, a kindhearted, hard-working person who happened to oppose the political views of Bob Editor. Editor. When ''Alice ''{{Alice and Bob: Bob}}: [[TheMovie The Motion Picture'' Picture]]'' comes out, she's painted as an evil shrew, which causes popular opinion of her to sway in that direction.
* '''Exaggerated''': *'''Exaggerated:''' Alice was practically TheMessiah compared to the evil, hideous Bob. Bob. The movie still paints her as an evil shrew.
* '''Justified''': *'''Justified:''' The makers of ''Alice and Bob: The Motion Picture'' sided with Bob politically, so naturally they'd want to make him look good - -- and her look bad.
* '''Inverted''': *'''Inverted:''' HistoricalHeroUpgrade
* '''Subverted''': *'''Subverted:''' It seems like the movie is going to paint her sympathetically...
* '''Double Subverted''': ...*'''Double Subverted:''' ...but it doesn't and she's made to look fairly bad.
* '''Parodied''': *'''Parodied:''' The character of Alice in the movie rattles off all the good things she did in real life - and then Bob summarily handwaves {{hand wave}}s them away.
* '''Deconstructed''': *'''Deconstructed:''' Popular opinion of Alice Troper never recovers, causing her to be viewed unfavorably throughout history for a very, very long time.
* '''Reconstructed''': *'''Reconstructed:''' "Alice and Bob: The Miniseries" comes out, rehabilitating people's opinions of Alice.
* '''Zig Zagged''': *'''Zig Zagged:''' The movie dips in and out of a sympathetic portrayal.
* '''Averted''': *'''Averted:''' The movie writers decide to do the research and paint the characters correctly.
* '''Enforced''': *'''Enforced:''' "Well, boys, I like the script, but those moronic viewers can't understand subtle, nuanced characters. characters. If you just make Alice an evil, puppy-kicking harpy then I think things will go over much easier."
* '''Lampshaded''': *'''Lampshaded:''' "You'd think a girl like Alice would be nicer."
* '''Invoked''': *'''Invoked:''' See "Enforced".
* '''Defied''': *'''Defied:''' See "Averted".
* '''Discussed''': *'''Discussed:''' "The history books may put you down as some kind of hero, Alice. But you'll always know the truth about what you've done!"
* '''Conversed''': *'''Conversed:''' "So Alice was a DepravedBisexual who couldn't go 24 hours without [[KickTheDog kicking a dog? dog]]? [[SarcasmMode So much for my Ph.D. thesis]]."
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