History NightmareFuel / RedAlert3Paradox

23rd Jul '16 6:10:57 AM SuperFeatherYoshi
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* Cryo-Prisons. The simple idea of cryo-prisons is terrifying. Any opposition to the Allied Nations, any attempt to question them more harshly than just writing an editorial is enough to have a person frozen, put on trial, frozen again, then shipped off to a human ice box in Greenland. There's already dozens of prisoners kept in stasis, and the prison guards themselves are apparently going mad from some kind of "ice sirens".

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* Cryo-Prisons. The simple idea of cryo-prisons is terrifying. Any opposition to While the Allied Nations, any attempt to question cryo-prisoners are terrorists and people who have committed crimes against humanity, it is implied that the Allies aren't planning on giving them more harshly than just writing an editorial is enough the due process at all, and wants to have a person frozen, put on trial, frozen again, then shipped off to a keep them "in storage" as human ice box in Greenland.icicles ''forever''. There's already dozens of prisoners kept in stasis, and the prison guards themselves are apparently going mad from some kind of "ice sirens". (Which turns out to be music from the Order's Calliope Tracks)



* Since in this timeline, the Soviets actually did attack the West, [[RedScare McCarthyism]] is much, much worst when compared to our own version. To the degree that merely being suspected as a Soviet sympathizer or having been a member of the USA Communist Party during your youth is enough to get you convicted of treason in a kangaroo court! In the case of physicist [[HistoricalDomainCharacter Arthur Leonard Schawlow]], the only reason he wasn't given the death penalty and executed was because the Allied Nations have ban on the death penalty in member states. Even afterwards, they still [[HumiliationConga get harassed and even brutalized by government agents constantly, having their life-long work discredited]], even [[AndYourLittleDogToo going after his family by keeping them under constant surveillance, and to prevent his autistic son from getting treatment]]. And remember, the Allies are suppose to be [[TheFederation the defenders of democracy and freedom]], yet this setting is so [[CrapsackWorld grimdark]] that they have been perverted to the point of being willing to go for an outright political purge.

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* Since in this timeline, the Soviets actually did attack the West, [[RedScare McCarthyism]] is much, much worst worse when compared to our own version. To the degree that merely being suspected as a Soviet sympathizer or having been a member of the USA Communist Party during your youth is enough to get you convicted of treason in a kangaroo court! In the case of physicist [[HistoricalDomainCharacter Arthur Leonard Schawlow]], the only reason he wasn't given the death penalty and executed was because the Allied Nations have ban on the death penalty in member states. Even afterwards, they still [[HumiliationConga get harassed and even brutalized by government agents constantly, having their life-long work discredited]], even [[AndYourLittleDogToo going after his family by keeping them under constant surveillance, and to prevent his autistic son from getting treatment]]. And remember, the Allies are suppose to be [[TheFederation the defenders of democracy and freedom]], yet this setting is so [[CrapsackWorld grimdark]] that they have been perverted to the point of being willing to go for an outright political purge.
15th May '16 3:46:59 AM Morgenthaler
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** The Soviet Smelter. On the surface it might seem to be just a simple ore refinery that players have been building in the bases since [[CommandAndConquerRedAlert RA1]]. Here they are revealed to be [[NoOSHACompliance absolute death-traps that are affronts to worker safety]]. To start with, in order to keep up productions, there is no off switch for the machines, so even when an accident happens and someone dies, they will just keep on working. Resulting in small bone fragments of dead workers sometime being stuck in the frame of tanks. Furthermore, workers have to breath in so much ore dust that they often die from black lungs and poisoning. To make matters worst, the state deliberately shift workers in and out regularly [[KickTheDog in order to deny them government compensation]].

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** The Soviet Smelter. On the surface it might seem to be just a simple ore refinery that players have been building in the bases since [[CommandAndConquerRedAlert RA1]].RA 1. Here they are revealed to be [[NoOSHACompliance absolute death-traps that are affronts to worker safety]]. To start with, in order to keep up productions, there is no off switch for the machines, so even when an accident happens and someone dies, they will just keep on working. Resulting in small bone fragments of dead workers sometime being stuck in the frame of tanks. Furthermore, workers have to breath in so much ore dust that they often die from black lungs and poisoning. To make matters worst, the state deliberately shift workers in and out regularly [[KickTheDog in order to deny them government compensation]].
30th Dec '15 9:37:49 AM StFan
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*** And as soon as the war started, in order to keep up their advantage in manpower, Stalin started dragging off entire collective farms and city blocks worth of Russian men, women, child, and elderly into the front lines, with citizens and POWs of occupied nations getting mass-conscript to replace them to keep the war machine running. Most of those that were taken by the Soviets ended up worked to death or killed in mass executions when they were suspected of sabotage or rebellion.

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*** And as soon as the war started, in order to keep up their advantage in manpower, Stalin started dragging off entire collective farms and city blocks worth of Russian men, women, child, and elderly into the front lines, with citizens and POWs [=POWs=] of occupied nations getting mass-conscript to replace them to keep the war machine running. Most of those that were taken by the Soviets ended up worked to death or killed in mass executions when they were suspected of sabotage or rebellion.
8th Dec '15 8:40:36 PM nombretomado
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* The most chilling part about Green China's technology is that it is based heavily on the [[TheFederation Federation's]] tech in {{Franchise/StarTrek}}. Remember how SFDebris [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] how Starfleet is being WillfullyWeak since they never took advantage of their technology to help deal with the MonsterOfTheWeek or to win wars? Here we are given a picture of what would have happened if [[GoodPowersBadPeople instead of using that power to create a post-scarcity utopia, someone fully exploit that technology's military application instead]].

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* The most chilling part about Green China's technology is that it is based heavily on the [[TheFederation Federation's]] tech in {{Franchise/StarTrek}}. Remember how SFDebris WebSite/SFDebris [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] how Starfleet is being WillfullyWeak since they never took advantage of their technology to help deal with the MonsterOfTheWeek or to win wars? Here we are given a picture of what would have happened if [[GoodPowersBadPeople instead of using that power to create a post-scarcity utopia, someone fully exploit that technology's military application instead]].
11th Jun '15 11:53:09 PM MichaelMikes
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* The biggest problem of the Soviet Union is that in the Paradox timeline, since the death of Lenin and until Davidova's coup, the country has been ruled by a secession of insane, murderous, megalomaniac madmen:

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* The biggest problem of the Soviet Union is that in the Paradox timeline, since the death of Lenin and until Davidova's coup, the country has been ruled by a secession succession of insane, murderous, megalomaniac madmen:



* The Imperial subjugation of the Philippines. With the Empire transforming the entire country effectively into a breadbasket agricultural colony that focus entirely on food production for the Japanese homeland. With more than 90% of the Philippine land mass owned by Imperial noble families that never even bother to set foot on the islands. Furthermore, the Imperials keep the cost low by minimizing expenditures on things such as worker salaries, housing, and maintenance of any infrastructure not part of the Imperial agricultural system, resulting in terrible standards of living for the Filipinos. It is an illusion on what will happen to the rest of the world if the Empire had won WW3.
** As Masoko Okamura, a Japanese defector to the Order of Talon puts it, if the Imperials had it their way they would have "''...[C]onquering the planet and making like it's nineteenth-century Europe only with everyone outside Japan playing the part of the African natives''."

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* The Imperial subjugation of the Philippines. With the Empire transforming the entire country effectively into a breadbasket agricultural colony that focus entirely on food production for the Japanese homeland. With more than 90% of the Philippine land mass owned by Imperial noble families that never even bother to set foot on the islands. Furthermore, the Imperials keep the cost low by minimizing expenditures on things such as worker salaries, housing, and maintenance of any infrastructure not part of the Imperial agricultural system, resulting in terrible standards of living for the Filipinos. It is an illusion on indication of what will happen would have happened to the rest of the world if the Empire had won WW3.
** As Masoko Okamura, a Japanese defector to the Order of Talon puts it, if the Imperials had it their way they would have be "''...[C]onquering the planet and making like it's nineteenth-century Europe only with everyone outside Japan playing the part of the African natives''."



* Life in pre-nuclear China regardless of which side you are on is absolutely nightmarish. If you live in an area controlled by Red China, you either live in the cities and work 14 hours a day in state factories and workshops to provide war materials for the army while being staved, or live in the countryside and get conscripted into the Red Guard in which you are expected to die in the thousands everyday just to rush enemy defense positions in human waves. While in Blue China, you are expected to serve in World War 1 style trench warfare with no end in sight.

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* Life in pre-nuclear non-irradiated China regardless of which side you are on is absolutely nightmarish. If you live in an area controlled by Red China, you either live in the cities and work 14 hours a day in state factories and workshops to provide war materials for the army while being staved, starved, or live in the countryside and get conscripted into the Red Guard in which you are expected to die in the thousands everyday just to rush enemy defense defensive positions in human waves. While in Blue China, you are expected to serve in World War 1 style 1-style trench warfare with no end in sight.
21st Feb '15 2:47:01 AM jormis29
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* The most chilling part about Green China's technology is that it is based heavily on the [[TheFederation Federation's]] tech in {{Franchise/StarTrek}}. Remember how SFDebris [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] how StarFleet is being WillfullyWeak since they never took advantage of their technology to help deal with the MonsterOfTheWeek or to win wars? Here we are given a picture of what would have happened if [[GoodPowersBadPeople instead of using that power to create a post-scarcity utopia, someone fully exploit that technology's military application instead]].

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* The most chilling part about Green China's technology is that it is based heavily on the [[TheFederation Federation's]] tech in {{Franchise/StarTrek}}. Remember how SFDebris [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] how StarFleet Starfleet is being WillfullyWeak since they never took advantage of their technology to help deal with the MonsterOfTheWeek or to win wars? Here we are given a picture of what would have happened if [[GoodPowersBadPeople instead of using that power to create a post-scarcity utopia, someone fully exploit that technology's military application instead]].
6th May '14 8:29:47 PM timotaka
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* The Peacekeepers, right on the Chemical Mortar page, outright state that it's use violates treaties banning Chemical weapons, but ''the Peacekeepers don't consider themselves affected by international laws''. That's one ''very'' small step from tear gas to something worse when you don't see international law as a hurdle.

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* The Peacekeepers, right on the Chemical Mortar page, outright state that it's its use violates treaties banning Chemical weapons, but ''the Peacekeepers don't consider themselves affected by international laws''. That's one ''very'' small step from tear gas to something worse when you don't see international law as a hurdle.
28th Feb '14 4:56:52 AM erforce
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** Teleportation: When the Nationalists first attempted to create a molecular teleporter, they decided to go straight for human testing, with Bruce Chen, a janitor, being the first person to do so. When he re-materialized, [[CruelAndUnusualDeath he was turned into a pile of bloody flesh]], [[StarTrekTheMotionPicture exposed organs, and jutting bones]], [[GalaxyQuest which quickly exploded due to gases trapped within]]. The teleporter was redesigned as the Scrambler, which specializes as a weapon that scrambles its target's molecules until it no longer resembled anything it once was, turning enemy solders into shuddering piles of flesh and fusing tanks with their pilots.

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** Teleportation: When the Nationalists first attempted to create a molecular teleporter, they decided to go straight for human testing, with Bruce Chen, a janitor, being the first person to do so. When he re-materialized, [[CruelAndUnusualDeath he was turned into a pile of bloody flesh]], [[StarTrekTheMotionPicture [[Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture exposed organs, and jutting bones]], [[GalaxyQuest which quickly exploded due to gases trapped within]]. The teleporter was redesigned as the Scrambler, which specializes as a weapon that scrambles its target's molecules until it no longer resembled anything it once was, turning enemy solders into shuddering piles of flesh and fusing tanks with their pilots.
10th Feb '14 11:01:15 AM chankljp
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** Replicators: Unlike in {{Franchise/StarTrek}}, replicator technology cannot solve the problem of scarcity since the Law of Conservation of Mass [[note]]To create something, you need either mass, or energy to convert into mass.[[/note]] [[RealityEnsues still applies]]. Thus, China still need access to raw materials like anyone else. Green China does this by [[YouRequireMoreVespeneGas collecting ore and asteroid mining]]. Red China on the other hand, created the [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Hellmouths]]. A machine that recycles the dead bodies on the battlefield, transforming the carbon in corpses into coal, graphite, diamonds, and even an organic slurry that is used as food.

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** Replicators: Unlike in {{Franchise/StarTrek}}, replicator technology cannot solve the problem of scarcity since the Law of Conservation of Mass [[note]]To create something, you need either mass, or energy to convert into mass.[[/note]] [[RealityEnsues still applies]]. Thus, China still need access to raw materials like anyone else. Green China does this by [[YouRequireMoreVespeneGas collecting ore and asteroid mining]]. Red China on the other hand, created the [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Hellmouths]]. A machine that recycles the dead bodies on the battlefield, transforming the carbon in corpses into coal, graphite, diamonds, and even an organic slurry that is used as food.food.
* Life in pre-nuclear China regardless of which side you are on is absolutely nightmarish. If you live in an area controlled by Red China, you either live in the cities and work 14 hours a day in state factories and workshops to provide war materials for the army while being staved, or live in the countryside and get conscripted into the Red Guard in which you are expected to die in the thousands everyday just to rush enemy defense positions in human waves. While in Blue China, you are expected to serve in World War 1 style trench warfare with no end in sight.
10th Feb '14 6:26:02 AM chankljp
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* The planned title for the Allied campaign sums this up perfectly: [[PrinciplesZealot Freedom at any cost, including humanity]]
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