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* AddledAddict: Michael Keene. While he finally admitted in an interview in 2018 that their difficulties in the mid-2010s were due to his out-of-control drug issues and struggles to get clean, it was a widely-known fact in certain circles well before that.
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* AscendedExtra: Chason Westmoreland, Ken Sorceron, and Bryce Butler until they quit.
* BerserkButton: Keene gets extremely angry if people insult his veganism. He has even apparently [[TalkToTheFist violently attacked]] people who have been particularly rude or obnoxious about it at various points.
* BlackMetal: ''In Becoming a Ghost'' has prominent black metal (particularly symphonic black) elements, with "Digging the Grave," "Cup of Mephistopheles" and the cover of "Shake the Disease" being among the most prominent manifestations.
* BerserkButton: Keene gets extremely angry if people insult his veganism. He has even apparently [[TalkToTheFist violently attacked]] people who have been particularly rude or obnoxious about it at various points.
* BlackMetal: ''In Becoming a Ghost'' has prominent black metal (particularly symphonic black) elements, with "Digging the Grave," "Cup of Mephistopheles" and the cover of "Shake the Disease" being among the most prominent manifestations.
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%% * AscendedExtra: Chason Westmoreland, Ken Sorceron, and Bryce Butler until they quit.
* BerserkButton: Keene gets extremely angry if people insult his veganism. He has even apparently [[TalkToTheFist violently attacked]] people who have been particularly rude or obnoxious about it at various points.
* BlackMetal: ''In Becoming a Ghost'' has prominent black metal (particularly symphonic black) elements, with "Digging the Grave," "Cup of Mephistopheles" and the cover of "Shake the Disease" being among the most prominent manifestations.quit.
* BerserkButton: Keene gets extremely angry if people insult his veganism. He has even apparently [[TalkToTheFist violently attacked]] people who have been particularly rude or obnoxious about it at various points.
* BlackMetal: ''In Becoming a Ghost'' has prominent black metal (particularly symphonic black) elements, with "Digging the Grave," "Cup of Mephistopheles" and the cover of "Shake the Disease" being among the most prominent manifestations.
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* {{Deathcore}}: ''Akeldama''. They later shed it with ''Planetary Duality''.
* DrugsAreBad: The Faceless' recurring lineup issues, habitual tour and fest cancellations, and protracted development process for their fourth full-length can all be chalked up to Keene's [[AddledAddict longstanding drug problems and seeming inability to get his shit together]]. ''In Becoming a Ghost'' wound up being an entire album devoted to acknowledging that he made a massive mistake with them.
* DrugsAreBad: The Faceless' recurring lineup issues, habitual tour and fest cancellations, and protracted development process for their fourth full-length can all be chalked up to Keene's [[AddledAddict longstanding drug problems and seeming inability to get his shit together]]. ''In Becoming a Ghost'' wound up being an entire album devoted to acknowledging that he made a massive mistake with them.
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* IAmTheBand: Michael Keene, though Steve Jones, Wes Hauch, and Justin [=McKinney=] have all made writing contributions.
* InSpiteOfANail: Fans who were not happy with the heavily BlackMetal-based turn that ''In Becoming a Ghost'' took blamed Ken Sorceron for forcing the change due to his vocal style. In reality, the album was written before he even joined, let alone tracked his vocals.
* LeadBassist: Giffin and Brewer are both Type A examples, with Brewer doubling as a Type C due to his well-known instrumental solo career.
* InSpiteOfANail: Fans who were not happy with the heavily BlackMetal-based turn that ''In Becoming a Ghost'' took blamed Ken Sorceron for forcing the change due to his vocal style. In reality, the album was written before he even joined, let alone tracked his vocals.
* LeadBassist: Giffin and Brewer are both Type A examples, with Brewer doubling as a Type C due to his well-known instrumental solo career.
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%% * IAmTheBand: Michael Keene, though Steve Jones, Wes Hauch, and Justin [=McKinney=] have all made writing contributions.
* InSpiteOfANail: Fans who were not happy with the heavily BlackMetal-based turn that ''In Becoming a Ghost'' took blamed Ken Sorceron for forcing the change due to his vocal style. In reality, the album was written before he even joined, let alone tracked his vocals.
%% * LeadBassist: Giffin and Brewer are both Type A examples, with Brewer doubling as a Type C due to his well-known instrumental solo career.
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* MetalScream: Rydquist and Ficco were Type 2s, while Sorceron is a Type 3.
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%% * MetalScream: Rydquist and Ficco were Type 2s, while Sorceron is a Type 3.
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* NotWhatISignedOnFor[=/=]FanDisillusionment: Explicitly stated by Bryce Butler. As a longtime fan, he was elated at the chance to become a PromotedFanboy, but once he was actually in the band, he quickly realized just how hideously dysfunctional it was and was all too happy to depart alongside Sorceron and [=McKinney=] after their nightmare of a European tour in early 2018.
* ProgressiveMetal: ''Autotheism'' and ''In Becoming a Ghost''.
* [[ReligionRantSong Religion Rant Album]]: ''Autotheism'' is this at its core.
* '''RevolvingDoorBand''': Let's put it this way: they have had ''two'' complete mass departures that have left Keene as the sole member. '''TWO'''.
* ProgressiveMetal: ''Autotheism'' and ''In Becoming a Ghost''.
* [[ReligionRantSong Religion Rant Album]]: ''Autotheism'' is this at its core.
* '''RevolvingDoorBand''': Let's put it this way: they have had ''two'' complete mass departures that have left Keene as the sole member. '''TWO'''.
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%% * NotWhatISignedOnFor[=/=]FanDisillusionment: Explicitly stated by Bryce Butler. As a longtime fan, he was elated at the chance to become a PromotedFanboy, but once he was actually in the band, he quickly realized just how hideously dysfunctional it was and was all too happy to depart alongside Sorceron and [=McKinney=] after their nightmare of a European tour in early 2018.
* ProgressiveMetal: ''Autotheism'' and ''In Becoming a Ghost''.
* [[ReligionRantSong Religion Rant Album]]:ReligionRantSong: ''Autotheism'' is this at its core.
a whole Religion Rant Album.
*'''RevolvingDoorBand''': RevolvingDoorBand: Let's put it this way: they have had ''two'' complete mass departures that have left Keene as the sole member. '''TWO'''.
* ProgressiveMetal: ''Autotheism'' and ''In Becoming a Ghost''.
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* StartMyOwn: Rudy started the instrumental metal project Conquering Dystopia with [[Music/{{Nevermore}} Jeff Loomis]], Keith Merrow, and [[Music/CannibalCorpse Alex Webster]], while Brewer started Entheos with Navene Koperweis, Frank Costa (both ex-Animosity), and Chaney Crabb.
** Subverted with Cooper's bands Absvrdist and Abhorrent, as they were both around while he was in The Faceless. He just didn't have the time to do anything with them.
* TechnicalDeathMetal: ''Akeldama'' (coupled with deathcore) and ''Planetary Duality'' (a straightforward example).
* TextlessAlbumCover: For the time being, ''In Becoming a Ghost''.
* WalkingTheEarth: How Ken lives. The man spends the vast majority of his time on the road as either a musician or a tour assistant (be it sound, merch, or just hauling shit and driving), and the weeks between tours are usually spent doing mixing and mastering work for extra cash plus the occasional temporary job unless one of his bands is writing and/or recording a new album. It also means that you either can work with him or you can't, as he has the personality that you would expect a road warrior type to have and not everyone can gel with that.
* WeUsedToBeFriends: Michael Keene and Ken Sorceron were longtime friends well before the latter joined, but two years of being in a band together completely destroyed their friendship and every last trace of Ken's good will towards Keene.
** Subverted with Cooper's bands Absvrdist and Abhorrent, as they were both around while he was in The Faceless. He just didn't have the time to do anything with them.
* TechnicalDeathMetal: ''Akeldama'' (coupled with deathcore) and ''Planetary Duality'' (a straightforward example).
* TextlessAlbumCover: For the time being, ''In Becoming a Ghost''.
* WalkingTheEarth: How Ken lives. The man spends the vast majority of his time on the road as either a musician or a tour assistant (be it sound, merch, or just hauling shit and driving), and the weeks between tours are usually spent doing mixing and mastering work for extra cash plus the occasional temporary job unless one of his bands is writing and/or recording a new album. It also means that you either can work with him or you can't, as he has the personality that you would expect a road warrior type to have and not everyone can gel with that.
* WeUsedToBeFriends: Michael Keene and Ken Sorceron were longtime friends well before the latter joined, but two years of being in a band together completely destroyed their friendship and every last trace of Ken's good will towards Keene.
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** Subverted with Cooper's bands Absvrdist and Abhorrent, as they were both around while he was in The Faceless. He just didn't have the time to do anything with them.
* TechnicalDeathMetal: ''Akeldama'' (coupled with deathcore) and ''Planetary Duality'' (a straightforward example).
* WalkingTheEarth: How Ken lives. The man spends the vast majority
* WeUsedToBeFriends: Michael Keene and Ken Sorceron were longtime friends well before the latter joined, but two years of being in a band together completely destroyed their friendship and every last trace of Ken's good will towards Keene.
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* MohsScaleOfRockAndMetalHardness: Soft 10/very hard 9 on their first two albums, hard-ish 9 on ''Autotheism'' and ''In Becoming a Ghost''.
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* WeUsedToBeFriends: Michael Keene and Ken Sorceron were longtime friends well before the latter joined, but two years of being in a band together completely destroyed their friendship and every last trace of Ken's good will towards Keene.
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* WeUsedToBeFriends: Michael Keene and Ken Sorceron were longtime friends well before the latter joined, but two years of being in a band together completely destroyed their friendship and every last trace of Ken's good will towards Keene.Keene.
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* BadassBeard: Ken Sorceron.
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* ConceptAlbum: ''Planetary Duality'' (about TheReptilians), ''Autotheism'' (about the process of humanity's collective self-realization and abandonment of religion), and ''In Becoming a Ghost'' (about Keene's drug-related struggles).
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* ConceptAlbum: ''Planetary Duality'' (about TheReptilians), LizardFolk), ''Autotheism'' (about the process of humanity's collective self-realization and abandonment of religion), and ''In Becoming a Ghost'' (about Keene's drug-related struggles).
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As of March 19, 2018, the entire lineup save for Michael Keene has dissolved. According to Keene, the band is currently locking in a new lineup. WordOfGod is that the lineup that played several shows in April is ''not'' permanent; while Jacob Umansky has confirmed that he will be doing their early summer headlining tour and both Julian Kersey and Andrew Virrueta have hinted that they will also be doing the tour, Gabe Seeber made it clear from the get-go that he was only filling in for two shows and would likely have no further involvement with the band. Whether any of them will formally join remains to be seen; Virrueta and Umansky have remained steady presences, while Kersey has done most of the shows aside from when he had to duck out during a tour for a bit and was replaced by Taylor Wientjes until he could jump back on. Drums have been split between Aaron Stechauner (ex-Rings of Saturn) and Cody Pulliam (Aenimus).
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As of March 19, 2018, the entire lineup save for Michael Keene has dissolved. According to Keene, the band is currently locking in a new lineup. WordOfGod is that the lineup that played several shows in April is ''not'' permanent; while Jacob Umansky has confirmed that he will be doing their early summer headlining tour and both Julian Kersey and Andrew Virrueta have hinted that they will also be doing the tour, Gabe Seeber made it clear from the get-go that he was only filling in for two shows and would likely have no further involvement with the band. Whether any of them will formally join remains to be seen; Virrueta and Umansky have remained steady presences, while Kersey has done most of the shows aside from when he had to duck out during a tour for a bit and was replaced by Taylor Wientjes until he could jump back on. Drums The current lineup currently consists of Keene, Kersey, Virrueta, and Stechauner, and while individual fans have been split between Aaron Stechauner (ex-Rings of Saturn) and Cody Pulliam (Aenimus).told that they are effectively full members, an official announcement has not yet been made.
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* PrimaDonnaDirector: Between the band's high turnover, his known perfectionist tendencies, and statements from former members, Keene definitely seems to be one of these.
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* SmallNameBigEgo: As the years have unfolded and the band has gained a reputation for large amounts of ridiculous drama, this is the reputation that Michael Keene has earned: an arrogant manchild and incorrigible diva whose talent as a musician and writer is overshadowed by his laziness, toxicity as a person, complete and utter lack of insight into how his behavior is the cause of most of his problems, and his proclivity for loudly taking credit for the hard work of others, and while drugs did explain some of it, it has become abundantly clear that the bulk of this had little to do with them and a lot to do with who he was as a person.
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Formed in Encino, California in 2004 by Michael Keene (guitars, clean vocals) and Brandon Giffin (bass), the band quickly welcomed in Brett Batdorf on drums, though the vocalist situation was a little more volatile. Various shows occurred in spite of this, and in 2005, the band began work on an EP and released a live demo to tide people over until then. By this time, the lineup had grown to include Derek Rydquist (vocals), Steve Jones (guitar), and Michael Sherer (keyboards), though Batdorf left immediately after recording his drum tracks. The band had since decided to turn the EP into a full album, and so they drafted various drummers to do session work on the remaining tracks. It worked, and ''Akeldama'' was released in November of 2006 on Sumerian Records to quite a bit of acclaim. Sherer departed sometime after, though 2007 finally brought with it a stable drummer in the form of Lyle Cooper. A fair amount of touring followed, and the band was finally getting their feet under them. They began work on a second full-length after this, and ''Planetary Duality'' the result, coming out almost exactly two years after ''Akeldama''. This proved to be their breakthrough, as they had shed the deathcore trappings of their first album in favor of a fairly unique spin on technical death metal. Lots and lots and lots of touring followed, and things stayed quite stable until Giffin left in 2010, with Jared Lander quickly jumping in to take his place. That year also brought a spot on the Summer Slaughter Tour along with various other tours, but the prospect of a new album was beginning to loom. Come 2011, and Rydquist had quit, with Geoff Ficco of Kamikabe taking his place. A pre-production version of "The Eidolon Reality", a new track, quickly showed up on YouTube; additionally, Lander left sometime around then as well, with bass extraordinaire Evan Brewer filling the spot.
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Formed in Encino, California in 2004 by Michael Keene (guitars, clean vocals) and Brandon Giffin (bass), the band quickly welcomed in Brett Batdorf on drums, though the vocalist situation was a little more volatile. Various shows occurred in spite of this, and in 2005, the band began work on an EP and released a live demo to tide people over until then. By this time, the lineup had grown to include Derek Rydquist (vocals), Steve Jones (guitar), and Michael Sherer (keyboards), though Batdorf left immediately after recording his drum tracks. The band had since decided to turn the EP into a full album, and so they drafted various drummers to do session work on the remaining tracks. It worked, and ''Akeldama'' was released in November of 2006 on Sumerian Records to quite a bit of acclaim. Sherer departed sometime after, though 2007 finally brought with it a stable drummer in the form of Lyle Cooper. A fair amount of touring followed, and the band was finally getting their feet under them. They began work on a second full-length after this, and ''Planetary Duality'' the result, coming out almost exactly two years after ''Akeldama''. This proved to be their breakthrough, as they had shed the deathcore trappings of their first album in favor of a fairly unique spin on technical death metal. Lots and lots and lots of touring followed, and things stayed quite stable until Giffin left in 2010, with Jared Lander quickly jumping in to take his place. That year also brought a spot on the Summer Slaughter Tour along with various other tours, but the prospect of a new album was beginning to loom. Come 2011, and Rydquist had quit, with Geoff Ficco of Kamikabe taking his place. A pre-production version of "The Eidolon Reality", a new track, quickly showed up on YouTube; Website/YouTube; additionally, Lander left sometime around then as well, with bass extraordinaire Evan Brewer filling the spot.
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As of March 19, 2018, the entire lineup save for Michael Keene has dissolved. According to Keene, the band is currently locking in a new lineup. WordOfGod is that the lineup that played several shows in April is ''not'' permanent; while Jacob Umansky has confirmed that he will be doing their early summer headlining tour and both Julian Kersey and Andrew Virrueta have hinted that they will also be doing the tour, Gabe Seeber made it clear from the get-go that he was only filling in for two shows and would likely have no further involvement with the band. Whether any of them will formally join remains to be seen.
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As of March 19, 2018, the entire lineup save for Michael Keene has dissolved. According to Keene, the band is currently locking in a new lineup. WordOfGod is that the lineup that played several shows in April is ''not'' permanent; while Jacob Umansky has confirmed that he will be doing their early summer headlining tour and both Julian Kersey and Andrew Virrueta have hinted that they will also be doing the tour, Gabe Seeber made it clear from the get-go that he was only filling in for two shows and would likely have no further involvement with the band. Whether any of them will formally join remains to be seen.seen; Virrueta and Umansky have remained steady presences, while Kersey has done most of the shows aside from when he had to duck out during a tour for a bit and was replaced by Taylor Wientjes until he could jump back on. Drums have been split between Aaron Stechauner (ex-Rings of Saturn) and Cody Pulliam (Aenimus).
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As of March 19, 2018, the entire lineup save for Michael Keene has dissolved. According to Keene, the band is currently locking in a new lineup. WordOfGod is that the lineup that played several shows in April is ''not'' permanent; while Jacob Umansky has confirmed that he will be doing their early summer headlining tour and both Julian Kersey and Andrew Virrueta have hinted that they will also be doing the tour, Gabe Seeber made it clear from the get-go that he was only filling in for two shows and would likely have no further involvement with the band. Furthermore, Kersey ducked out, and [[Music/InanimateExistence Taylor Wientjes]] wound up hopping on their summer 2018 headlining tour. Whether any of them will formally join remains to be seen.
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As of March 19, 2018, the entire lineup save for Michael Keene has dissolved. According to Keene, the band is currently locking in a new lineup. WordOfGod is that the lineup that played several shows in April is ''not'' permanent; while Jacob Umansky has confirmed that he will be doing their early summer headlining tour and both Julian Kersey and Andrew Virrueta have hinted that they will also be doing the tour, Gabe Seeber made it clear from the get-go that he was only filling in for two shows and would likely have no further involvement with the band. Furthermore, Kersey ducked out, and [[Music/InanimateExistence Taylor Wientjes]] wound up hopping on their summer 2018 headlining tour. Whether any of them will formally join remains to be seen.
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** Live: [[Music/SuicidalTendencies Nico Santora]], Anthony Barone (A Night in Texas), Julian Kersey (ex-Aegaeon), James Knoerl, Andrew Virrueta (Interloper), Jacob Umansky (Painted in Exile), Gabe Seeber (The Kennedy Veil), Aaron Stechauner (ex-Rings of Saturn), and [[Music/InanimateExistence Taylor Wientjes]] are or were all explicitly live fill-ins, while Bryce Butler started out as this and wound up becoming an AscendedExtra.
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** Live: [[Music/SuicidalTendencies Nico Santora]], Anthony Barone (A Night in Texas), Julian Kersey (ex-Aegaeon), James Knoerl, Andrew Virrueta (Interloper), Jacob Umansky (Painted in Exile), Gabe Seeber (The Kennedy Veil), Aaron Stechauner (ex-Rings of Saturn), and [[Music/InanimateExistence Taylor Wientjes]] Wientjes]], and Cody Pulliam (Aenimus) are or were all explicitly live fill-ins, while Bryce Butler started out as this and wound up becoming an AscendedExtra.
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** Live: [[Music/SuicidalTendencies Nico Santora]], Anthony Barone (A Night in Texas), Julian Kersey (ex-Aegaeon), James Knoerl, Andrew Virrueta (Interloper), Jacob Umansky (Painted in Exile), Gabe Seeber (The Kennedy Veil) Aaron Stechauner (ex-Rings of Saturn), and [[Music/InanimateExistence Taylor Wientjes]] are or were all explicitly live fill-ins, while Bryce Butler started out as this and wound up becoming an AscendedExtra.
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** Live: [[Music/SuicidalTendencies Nico Santora]], Anthony Barone (A Night in Texas), Julian Kersey (ex-Aegaeon), James Knoerl, Andrew Virrueta (Interloper), Jacob Umansky (Painted in Exile), Gabe Seeber (The Kennedy Veil) Veil), Aaron Stechauner (ex-Rings of Saturn), and [[Music/InanimateExistence Taylor Wientjes]] are or were all explicitly live fill-ins, while Bryce Butler started out as this and wound up becoming an AscendedExtra.
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As of March 19, 2018, the entire lineup save for Michael Keene has dissolved. According to Keene, the band is currently locking in a new lineup. WordOfGod is that the lineup that played several shows in April is ''not'' permanent; while Jacob Umansky has confirmed that he will be doing their early summer headlining tour and both Julian Kersey and Andrew Virrueta have hinted that they will also be doing the tour, Gabe Seeber made it clear from the get-go that he was only filling in for two shows and would likely have no further involvement with the band. Furthermore, Kersey ducked out, and [[Music/InanimateExistence Taylor Wientjes]] wound up hopping on their summer 2018 headlining tour. Whether any of them will formally join remains to be seen.
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** Live: [[Music/SuicidalTendencies Nico Santora]], Anthony Barone (A Night in Texas), Julian Kersey (ex-Aegaeon), James Knoerl, Andrew Virrueta (Interloper), Jacob Umansky (Painted in Exile), Gabe Seeber (The Kennedy Veil), and Aaron Stechauner (ex-Rings of Saturn) are or were all explicitly live fill-ins, while Bryce Butler started out as this and wound up becoming an AscendedExtra.
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** Live: [[Music/SuicidalTendencies Nico Santora]], Anthony Barone (A Night in Texas), Julian Kersey (ex-Aegaeon), James Knoerl, Andrew Virrueta (Interloper), Jacob Umansky (Painted in Exile), Gabe Seeber (The Kennedy Veil), and Veil) Aaron Stechauner (ex-Rings of Saturn) Saturn), and [[Music/InanimateExistence Taylor Wientjes]] are or were all explicitly live fill-ins, while Bryce Butler started out as this and wound up becoming an AscendedExtra.
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** Live: [[Music/SuicidalTendencies Nico Santora]], Anthony Barone (A Night in Texas), Julian Kersey (ex-Aegaeon), James Knoerl, Andrew Virrueta (Interloper), Jacob Umansky (Painted in Exile), and Gabe Seeber (The Kennedy Veil) Veil), and Aaron Stechauner (ex-Rings of Saturn) are or were all explicitly live fill-ins, while Bryce Butler started out as this and wound up becoming an AscendedExtra.
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* WalkingTheEarth: How Ken lives. The man spends the vast majority of his time on the road as either a musician or a tour assistant (be it sound, merch, or just hauling shit and driving), and the weeks between tours are usually spent doing mixing and mastering work for extra cash unless one of his bands is writing and/or recording a new album. It also means that you either can work with him or you can't, as he has the personality that you would expect a road warrior type to have and not everyone can gel with that.
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* WalkingTheEarth: How Ken lives. The man spends the vast majority of his time on the road as either a musician or a tour assistant (be it sound, merch, or just hauling shit and driving), and the weeks between tours are usually spent doing mixing and mastering work for extra cash plus the occasional temporary job unless one of his bands is writing and/or recording a new album. It also means that you either can work with him or you can't, as he has the personality that you would expect a road warrior type to have and not everyone can gel with that.
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* NobodyLovesTheBassist: They don't even have one at the moment and have used live backing tracks since Evan Brewer left. Brandon Giffin ''was'' supposed to track ''In Becoming a Ghost'' but couldn't due to scheduling conflicts, so Keene tracked it himself, and while Jacob Umansky (Painted in Exile) was supposed to do live session bass on Summer Slaughter 2017, his own live session work with Intervals nipped that in the bud and they had to go back to using a backing track.
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* NobodyLovesTheBassist: They don't even have one at the moment and have used live backing tracks since Evan Brewer left. Brandon Giffin ''was'' supposed to track ''In Becoming a Ghost'' but couldn't due to scheduling conflicts, so Keene tracked it himself, and while Jacob Umansky (Painted in Exile) was supposed to do live session bass on Summer Slaughter 2017, his own live session work with Intervals nipped that in the bud and they had to go back to using a backing track. Umansky eventually wound up filling in for them on several dates in 2018 after the second mass departure.
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** Live: [[Music/SuicidalTendencies Nico Santora]], Anthony Barone (A Night in Texas), Julian Kersey (ex-Aegaeon), and James Knoerl were all explicitly live fill-ins, while Bryce Butler started out as this and wound up becoming an AscendedExtra.
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** Live: [[Music/SuicidalTendencies Nico Santora]], Anthony Barone (A Night in Texas), Julian Kersey (ex-Aegaeon), and James Knoerl Knoerl, Andrew Virrueta (Interloper), Jacob Umansky (Painted in Exile), and Gabe Seeber (The Kennedy Veil) were all explicitly live fill-ins, while Bryce Butler started out as this and wound up becoming an AscendedExtra.
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* SmallNameBigEgo: As the years have unfolded and the band has gained a reputation for large amounts of ridiculous drama, this is the reputation that Michael Keene has earned: an arrogant manchild and incorrigible diva whose talent as a musician and writer is overshadowed by his laziness, toxicity as a person, complete and utter lack of insight into how his behavior is the cause of most of his problems, and his proclivity for loudly taking credit for the hard work of others, and while drugs did explain some of it, it has become abundantly clear that the bulk of this had little to do with them and a lot to do with who he was as a person.
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As of March 19, 2018, the entire lineup save for Michael Keene has dissolved and the band's current status is unknown.
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As of March 19, 2018, the entire lineup save for Michael Keene has dissolved and dissolved. According to Keene, the band's current status band is unknown.currently locking in a new lineup.
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* NotWhatISignedOnFor[=/=]FanDisillusionment: Explicitly stated by Bryce Butler. As a longtime fan, he was elated at the chance to become a PromotedFanboy, but one he was actually in the band, he quickly realized just how hideously dysfunctional it was and was all too happy to depart alongside Sorceron and [=McKinney=] after their nightmare of a European tour in early 2018.
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* NotWhatISignedOnFor[=/=]FanDisillusionment: Explicitly stated by Bryce Butler. As a longtime fan, he was elated at the chance to become a PromotedFanboy, but one once he was actually in the band, he quickly realized just how hideously dysfunctional it was and was all too happy to depart alongside Sorceron and [=McKinney=] after their nightmare of a European tour in early 2018.
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* NotWhatISignedOnFor[=/=]FanDisillusionment: Explicitly stated by Bryce Butler. As a longtime fan, he was elated at the chance to become a PromotedFanboy, but one he was actually in the band, he quickly realized just how hideously dysfunctional it was and was all too happy to depart alongside Sorceron and [=McKinney=] after their nightmare of a European tour in early 2018.
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* WalkingTheEarth: How Ken lives. The man spends the vast majority of his time on the road as either a musician or a tour assistant (be it sound, merch, or just hauling shit and driving), and the weeks between tours are usually spent doing mixing and mastering work for extra cash unless one of his bands is writing and/or recording a new album. It also means that you either can work with him or you can't, as he has the personality that you would expect a road warrior type to have and not everyone can gel with that.
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* WalkingTheEarth: How Ken lives. The man spends the vast majority of his time on the road as either a musician or a tour assistant (be it sound, merch, or just hauling shit and driving), and the weeks between tours are usually spent doing mixing and mastering work for extra cash unless one of his bands is writing and/or recording a new album. It also means that you either can work with him or you can't, as he has the personality that you would expect a road warrior type to have and not everyone can gel with that.that.
* WeUsedToBeFriends: Michael Keene and Ken Sorceron were longtime friends well before the latter joined, but two years of being in a band together completely destroyed their friendship and every last trace of Ken's good will towards Keene.
* WeUsedToBeFriends: Michael Keene and Ken Sorceron were longtime friends well before the latter joined, but two years of being in a band together completely destroyed their friendship and every last trace of Ken's good will towards Keene.
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As of March 19, 2018, the entire lineup save for Michael Keene has dissolved and the band's current status is unknown.
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* AscendedExtra: Chason Westmoreland (until he quit), Ken Sorceron, and Bryce Butler.
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* AscendedExtra: Chason Westmoreland (until he quit), Westmoreland, Ken Sorceron, and Bryce Butler.Butler until they quit.
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* MohsScaleOfRockAndMetalHardness: Soft 10/very hard 9 on their first two albums, hard-ish 9 on ''Autotheism''.
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* MohsScaleOfRockAndMetalHardness: Soft 10/very hard 9 on their first two albums, hard-ish 9 on ''Autotheism''.''Autotheism'' and ''In Becoming a Ghost''.
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* RevolvingDoorBand: Blink, and there will probably have been some sort of lineup shift in that time. The ''Planetary Duality'' era was the only time when they didn't have a huge problem with this.
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* RevolvingDoorBand: Blink, and there will probably '''RevolvingDoorBand''': Let's put it this way: they have been some sort of lineup shift in had ''two'' complete mass departures that time. The ''Planetary Duality'' era was the only time when they didn't have a huge problem with this.left Keene as the sole member. '''TWO'''.
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* ShoutOut: "The Spiraling Void": [[Literature/CatsCradle "Round and round and round we spin/With feet of lead and wings of tin"]]
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* AddledAddict: Michael Keene. While he finally admitted in an interview in 2018 that their difficulties in the mid-2010s were due to his out-of-control drug issues and struggles to get clean, it was a widely-known fact in certain circles well before that.
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* StageNames: Ken Sorceron's actual last name is Bergeron, but absolutely no one who knows him refers to him by anything other than Sorceron.
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* AscendedExtra: Chason Westmoreland (until he quit) and Ken Sorceron.
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* AscendedExtra: Chason Westmoreland (until he quit) quit), Ken Sorceron, and Ken Sorceron.Bryce Butler.
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** Live: [[Music/SuicidalTendencies Nico Santora]], Anthony Barone (A Night in Texas), Julian Kersey (ex-Aegaeon), and James Knoerl were all explicitly live fill-ins, and this is currently the role of Bryce Butler (Seeker) until (if) he becomes full-time.
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** Live: [[Music/SuicidalTendencies Nico Santora]], Anthony Barone (A Night in Texas), Julian Kersey (ex-Aegaeon), and James Knoerl were all explicitly live fill-ins, and this is currently the role of while Bryce Butler (Seeker) until (if) he becomes full-time.started out as this and wound up becoming an AscendedExtra.
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* SpecialGuest: Various.
** On album: Brett Batdorf, Andy Taylor (Diskreet), [[Music/{{Animosity}} Navene Koperweis]], and [[Music/{{Unearth}} Nick Pierce]] all tracked session drums on ''Akeldama'', while Sergio Flores played a saxophone solo on "Deconsecrate" and a flute solo on "Digging the Grave"; lastly, Rydquist returned to do vocals on multiple tracks on ''In Becoming a Ghost'', including all of "The Spiraling Void".
** Live: [[Music/SuicidalTendencies Nico Santora]], Anthony Barone (A Night in Texas), Julian Kersey (ex-Aegaeon), and James Knoerl were all explicitly live fill-ins, and this is currently the role of Bryce Butler (Seeker) until (if) he becomes full-time.
** On album: Brett Batdorf, Andy Taylor (Diskreet), [[Music/{{Animosity}} Navene Koperweis]], and [[Music/{{Unearth}} Nick Pierce]] all tracked session drums on ''Akeldama'', while Sergio Flores played a saxophone solo on "Deconsecrate" and a flute solo on "Digging the Grave"; lastly, Rydquist returned to do vocals on multiple tracks on ''In Becoming a Ghost'', including all of "The Spiraling Void".
** Live: [[Music/SuicidalTendencies Nico Santora]], Anthony Barone (A Night in Texas), Julian Kersey (ex-Aegaeon), and James Knoerl were all explicitly live fill-ins, and this is currently the role of Bryce Butler (Seeker) until (if) he becomes full-time.
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* IAmTheBand: Michael Keene, though Steve Jones, Wes Hauch, and Justin [=McKinney=] have all had writing contributions.
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* IAmTheBand: Michael Keene, though Steve Jones, Wes Hauch, and Justin [=McKinney=] have all had made writing contributions.
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* IAmTheBand: Michael Keene.
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* IAmTheBand: Michael Keene.Keene, though Steve Jones, Wes Hauch, and Justin [=McKinney=] have all had writing contributions.
* InSpiteOfANail: Fans who were not happy with the heavily BlackMetal-based turn that ''In Becoming a Ghost'' took blamed Ken Sorceron for forcing the change due to his vocal style. In reality, the album was written before he even joined, let alone tracked his vocals.
* InSpiteOfANail: Fans who were not happy with the heavily BlackMetal-based turn that ''In Becoming a Ghost'' took blamed Ken Sorceron for forcing the change due to his vocal style. In reality, the album was written before he even joined, let alone tracked his vocals.
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** ''In Becoming a Ghost'' has extremely prominent BlackMetal elements with a greater focus on orchestration, as well as some minor IndustrialMetal touches.
