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** That origin for the Starfleet symbol was Jossed in the original series. At that time, each ship had its' own symbol. That symbol of the Enterprise became applied to all of Starfleet because the Enterprise became by far the most eminent ship in the fleet.
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** After ''RevengeOfTheSith'' came out, a common theory (usually in refutiation to the claim that it was a "plot hole" that the Jedi prophecy that Anakin would bring balance to the Force kind of went south on them) was that Anakin did "bring balance to the Force" by killing so many Jedi until there were only two left (Yoda and Obi-Wan) to match the only two Sith. In other words, the Jedi failed to notice that the Light Side was actually stronger than the Dark Side, so "bringing balance to the Force" would be a bad thing from their point of view. Lucas later clarified that, no, "bringing balance to the Force" really did mean killing all the Sith and leaving the Light Side stronger than the Dark Side, which Anakin did at the end of ''ReturnOfTheJedi''.

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** After ''RevengeOfTheSith'' came out, a common theory (usually in refutiation refutation to the claim that it was a "plot hole" that the Jedi prophecy that Anakin would bring balance to the Force kind of went south on them) was that Anakin did "bring balance to the Force" by killing so many Jedi until there were only two left (Yoda and Obi-Wan) to match the only two Sith. In other words, the Jedi failed to notice that the Light Side was actually stronger than the Dark Side, so "bringing balance to the Force" would be a bad thing from their point of view. Lucas later clarified that, no, "bringing balance to the Force" really did mean killing all the Sith and leaving the Light Side stronger than the Dark Side, which Anakin did at the end of ''ReturnOfTheJedi''.



** The film's writer has since stated that the viral marketing (i.e. the "Manual") was created without his input, and possibly without the input of the director, or creator/producer J.J. Abrams. Furthermore, in his opinion, what's in the film is what matters, and no WordOfGod can Joss anything because each member of the creative team have differing theories.

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** The film's writer has since stated that the viral marketing (i.e. the "Manual") was created without his input, and possibly without the input of the director, or creator/producer J.J. Abrams. Furthermore, in his opinion, what's in the film is what matters, and no WordOfGod can Joss anything because each member of the creative team have has differing theories.



** In a more trivial example, a popular belief that pigs either either didn't exist on Dragaera, or were [[CallARabbitASmeerp referred to as "kethna"]], got shot down in ''Athyra''.

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** In a more trivial example, a popular belief that pigs either either didn't exist on Dragaera, or were [[CallARabbitASmeerp referred to as "kethna"]], got shot down in ''Athyra''.



* Among the ''Literature/WarriorCats'' fandom, there was a popular theory that Pinestar was the father of [[TheHero Firestar]]. However, it jossed on the author's Facebook. Although it doesn't stop people from coming up with the theory...

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* Among the ''Literature/WarriorCats'' fandom, there was a popular theory that Pinestar was the father of [[TheHero Firestar]]. However, it was jossed on the author's Facebook. Although it doesn't stop people from coming up with the theory...



* A fictional, OlderThanFeudalism example: In Lucian's ''Literature/TrueHistory'', the narrator gets to the Isles of the Blest, and meets, among others, Creator/{{Homer}}. Homer tells him that everyone's wrong about where he's from (he's actually Babylonian) and that all the lines bracketed as not really Homeric by scholars are, in fact, his. Then the narrator asks why he began the ''Literature/{{Iliad}}'' with the word ''menis'' [wrath]: "and he said it came to him that way, without his intending anything." All this pretty clearly meant to make fun of the various theories held by scholars at the time.

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* A fictional, OlderThanFeudalism example: In Lucian's ''Literature/TrueHistory'', the narrator gets to the Isles of the Blest, and meets, among others, Creator/{{Homer}}. Homer tells him that everyone's wrong about where he's from (he's actually Babylonian) and that all the lines bracketed as not really Homeric by scholars are, in fact, his. Then the narrator asks why he began the ''Literature/{{Iliad}}'' with the word ''menis'' [wrath]: "and he said it came to him that way, without his intending anything." All this was pretty clearly meant to make fun of the various theories held by scholars at the time.



* A popular fan theory about ''{{Series/Firefly}}'''s Shepherd Book was that he had spent time as an Operative. This has been Jossed by the Shepherd's Tale comic, which reveals that [[spoiler: he was at one point high-ranking Alliance commander, but was working as a spy for the Browncoats the whole time. Before that he was a streetkid named Henry Evans, who joined the Independent movement to get off his homeworld.]]

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* A popular fan theory about ''{{Series/Firefly}}'''s Shepherd Book was that he had spent time as an Operative. This has been Jossed by the Shepherd's Tale comic, which reveals that [[spoiler: he was at one point high-ranking Alliance commander, but was working as a spy for the Browncoats the whole time. Before that he was a streetkid named Henry Evans, who joined the Independent movement to get off his homeworld.homeworld, stealing his identity from the ''real'' Book, whom he killed and impersonated to infiltrate the Alliance.]]
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* Creator/{{Nintendo}} seems to take an almost vindictive glee in contradicting the {{Fanon}} that was established for the ''Franchise/SuperMarioBros.'' series during those long years when the plots of the games were strictly SaveThePrincess affairs. The ''very first'' Mario game with an actual plot (''[[VideoGame/YoshisIsland Yoshi's Island]]'') creates an origin story for the Mario Bros. that places their birth in the Mushroom Kingdom - retconning ''Donkey Kong'', ''Mario Bros.'', and ''Super Mario Bros.'', which collectively state they were born in [[BigApplesauce Brooklyn]] and got to the Mushroom Kingdom [[DownTheDrain through a warp pipe]]. It also makes them twins, even though Mario was usually held as being the older brother by years rather than by minutes. But probably the most callous example to the fandom is Creator/ShigeruMiyamoto ''himself'' saying that Mario's full name is not "Mario Mario" (and refusing to disclose their "real" surname).

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* Creator/{{Nintendo}} seems to take an almost vindictive glee in contradicting the {{Fanon}} that was established for the ''Franchise/SuperMarioBros.'' ''Franchise/SuperMarioBros'' series during those long years when the plots of the games were strictly SaveThePrincess affairs. The ''very first'' Mario game with an actual plot (''[[VideoGame/YoshisIsland Yoshi's Island]]'') creates an origin story for the Mario Bros. that places their birth in the Mushroom Kingdom - retconning ''Donkey Kong'', ''Mario Bros.'', and ''Super Mario Bros.'', which collectively state they were born in [[BigApplesauce Brooklyn]] and got to the Mushroom Kingdom [[DownTheDrain through a warp pipe]]. It also makes them twins, even though Mario was usually held as being the older brother by years rather than by minutes. But probably the most callous example to the fandom is Creator/ShigeruMiyamoto ''himself'' saying that Mario's full name is not "Mario Mario" (and refusing to disclose their "real" surname).
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* In the ''Literature/AlexRider'' series, many readers believed Alex to [[spoiler: have died]] at the end of ''Scorpia'', but there are four books following that. Also, author Creator/AnthonyHorowitz stated that [[SomeoneDiesTonight a major character who had appeared in all the books so far would die]] in the final book ''Scorpia Rising''. Readers are led to believe that it's [[spoiler: Smithers]], when really it's [[spoiler: Alex's housekeeper Jack Starbright]] who dies.

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* In the ''Literature/AlexRider'' series, many readers believed Alex to [[spoiler: have died]] at the end of ''Scorpia'', but there are four books following that. Also, author Creator/AnthonyHorowitz stated that [[SomeoneDiesTonight [[TonightSomeoneDies a major character who had appeared in all the books so far would die]] in the final book ''Scorpia Rising''. Readers are led to believe that it's [[spoiler: Smithers]], when really it's [[spoiler: Alex's housekeeper Jack Starbright]] who dies.
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* A hugely popular theory among ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'' fans was that TheFlash would pull a HeroicSacrifice in the Season 2 finale, acting as a nod to his death in ''CrisisOnInfiniteEarths''. ''A'' Flash did indeed end up dying in this manner...except it was ''Kid'' Flash!

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* A hugely popular theory among ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'' fans was that TheFlash would pull a HeroicSacrifice in the Season 2 finale, acting as a nod [[MythologyGag nod]] to his death in ''CrisisOnInfiniteEarths''. ''A'' Flash did indeed end up dying in this manner...except it was ''Kid'' Flash!

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* After seeing Captain Marvel appear in ''JusticeLeagueUnlimited'', supporting Lex Luthor's presidential campaign and then giving a bone chilling speech to his fellow leaguers, many fans of the show believed he would return as an unwitting tool of Luthor. This was jossed by...well, him not coming back.

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* After seeing [[{{Shazam}} Captain Marvel Marvel]] appear in ''JusticeLeagueUnlimited'', supporting Lex Luthor's LexLuthor's presidential campaign and then giving a bone chilling speech to his fellow leaguers, many fans of the show believed he would return as an unwitting tool of Luthor. This was jossed by...well, him not coming back.


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* A popular [[MarvelCinematicUniverse MCU]] theory was that the redheaded {{SHIELD}} agent Amanda Righetti portrayed in ''[[Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger Captain America]]'' was [[{{Agent 13}} Sharon Carter]]. This was shot down when it was announced that Emily [=VanCamp=] would be playing Carter in ''[[Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier the sequel]].

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* A popular [[MarvelCinematicUniverse MCU]] theory was that the redheaded {{SHIELD}} agent Amanda Righetti portrayed in ''[[Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger Captain America]]'' was [[{{Agent 13}} Sharon Carter]]. This was shot down when it was announced that Emily [=VanCamp=] would be playing Carter in ''[[Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier [[Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier the sequel]].
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* A popular [[MarvelCinematicUniverse MCU]] theory was that the redheaded {{SHIELD}} agent Amanda Righetti portrayed in ''[[Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger Captain America]]'' was [[{{Agent 13}} Sharon Carter]]. This was shot down when it was announced that Emily [=VanCamp=] would be playing Carter in ''[[Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier Captain America: The Winter Soldier]]''.

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* A popular [[MarvelCinematicUniverse MCU]] theory was that the redheaded {{SHIELD}} agent Amanda Righetti portrayed in ''[[FilmCaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger Captain America]]'' was [[{{ Agent 13}} Sharon Carter]]. This was shot down when it was announced that Emily [=VanCamp=] would be playing Carter in ''[[Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier Captain America: The Winter Soldier]]''.

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* A popular [[MarvelCinematicUniverse MCU]] theory was that the redheaded {{SHIELD}} agent Amanda Righetti portrayed in ''[[FilmCaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger ''[[Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger Captain America]]'' was [[{{ Agent [[{{Agent 13}} Sharon Carter]]. This was shot down when it was announced that Emily [=VanCamp=] would be playing Carter in ''[[Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier Captain America: The Winter Soldier]]''.
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* A popular [[MarvelCinematicUniverse MCU]] fan theory was that the redheaded {{SHIELD}} agent Amanda Righetti portrayed in ''[[FilmCaptainAmericaTheFirstAvengers Captain America: The First Avenger]]'' was [[Agent13 Sharon Carter]]. This was shot down when it was announced that Emily [=VanCamp=] would be playing Carter in ''[[Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier Captain America: The Winter Soldier]]''.

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* A popular [[MarvelCinematicUniverse MCU]] fan theory was that the redheaded {{SHIELD}} agent Amanda Righetti portrayed in ''[[FilmCaptainAmericaTheFirstAvengers ''[[FilmCaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger Captain America: The First Avenger]]'' America]]'' was [[Agent13 [[{{ Agent 13}} Sharon Carter]]. This was shot down when it was announced that Emily [=VanCamp=] would be playing Carter in ''[[Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier Captain America: The Winter Soldier]]''.
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** ''After'' the release of ''DeathlyHallows'', a rapid succession of ship-related Jossings ensued when WordOfGod informed the eager fans that three of their beloved characters ended up with love interests who were not even introduced in the series. This earned a fan nickname of its own: "Getting Rolfed," named after Luna's husband who was introduced in this way.
** Also after ''DeathlyHallows'', Rowling even managed to Joss the fanfiction writers who speculated about Dumbledore, particularly his romantic feelings. Given the many bizarre ideas written about him, [[WordOfGay stunning the fan base with the news]] he was: 1) [[AmbiguouslyGay gay all along]]; and 2) smart enough to keep it in his pants and out of the ''Quibbler'' was actually the nicest way in the world to snap back at the ficcers.

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** ''After'' the release of ''DeathlyHallows'', ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows Deathly Hallows]]'', a rapid succession of ship-related Jossings ensued when WordOfGod informed the eager fans that three of their beloved characters ended up with love interests who were not even introduced in the series. This earned a fan nickname of its own: "Getting Rolfed," named after Luna's husband who was introduced in this way.
** Also after ''DeathlyHallows'', ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows Deathly Hallows]]'', Rowling even managed to Joss the fanfiction writers who speculated about Dumbledore, particularly his romantic feelings. Given the many bizarre ideas written about him, [[WordOfGay stunning the fan base with the news]] he was: 1) [[AmbiguouslyGay gay all along]]; and 2) smart enough to keep it in his pants and out of the ''Quibbler'' was actually the nicest way in the world to snap back at the ficcers.
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* Many theories about ''HarryPotter'' have been repeatedly Jossed with the release of each successive book, with ''[[HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows The Deathly Hallows]]'' Jossing the most. Numerous {{Fan Fic}}s featuring a female Blaise Zabini got [[GenderFlip Jossed]] when ''[[HarryPotterAndTheHalfBloodPrince The Half-Blood Prince]]'' was released.

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* Many theories about ''HarryPotter'' ''Literature/HarryPotter'' have been repeatedly Jossed with the release of each successive book, with ''[[HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows The Deathly Hallows]]'' Jossing the most. Numerous {{Fan Fic}}s featuring a female Blaise Zabini got [[GenderFlip Jossed]] when ''[[HarryPotterAndTheHalfBloodPrince ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheHalfBloodPrince The Half-Blood Prince]]'' was released.



** Not to mention the constant speculation as to what each book would be called. A persistent one was ''HarryPotter and the Green Flame Torch'', a [[MemeticMutation meme]] originating in a {{continuation}} {{fanfic}} on the Harry Potter Connection which spread across the internet. [[Quotes/{{Jossed}} J.K. Rowling herself memorably sporked the speculation]] but even today "Green Flame Torch" turns up 86 hits on FanfictionDotNet.

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** Not to mention the constant speculation as to what each book would be called. A persistent one was ''HarryPotter ''Literature/HarryPotter and the Green Flame Torch'', a [[MemeticMutation meme]] originating in a {{continuation}} {{fanfic}} on the Harry Potter Connection which spread across the internet. [[Quotes/{{Jossed}} J.K. Rowling herself memorably sporked the speculation]] but even today "Green Flame Torch" turns up 86 hits on FanfictionDotNet.



** During the Three-Year Summer, one of the few facts known for sure about ''HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix'' was that Arabella Figg, Harry's apparently Muggle babysitter from the first book, would turn out to be more than she appeared. Naturally, fanfiction assumed that she would play a big part in the story, portraying her usually as a badass CoolOldLady who becomes the new Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher. Some fanfics even {{Hand Wave}}d her old age, making her a hot ActionGirl in a magical disguise. When ''Phoenix'' actually came out, it was revealed in the first two chapters that she was a MuggleBornOfMages whom Dumbledore had assigned to keep an eye on Harry. She had a very minor role in the book and was very different in personality from what fans had expected, being a {{Cloudcuckoolander}} MaidenAunt type. In any case, the fanon version of Arabella died a quick death after that.

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** During the Three-Year Summer, one of the few facts known for sure about ''HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix'' ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix'' was that Arabella Figg, Harry's apparently Muggle babysitter from the first book, would turn out to be more than she appeared. Naturally, fanfiction assumed that she would play a big part in the story, portraying her usually as a badass CoolOldLady who becomes the new Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher. Some fanfics even {{Hand Wave}}d her old age, making her a hot ActionGirl in a magical disguise. When ''Phoenix'' actually came out, it was revealed in the first two chapters that she was a MuggleBornOfMages whom Dumbledore had assigned to keep an eye on Harry. She had a very minor role in the book and was very different in personality from what fans had expected, being a {{Cloudcuckoolander}} MaidenAunt type. In any case, the fanon version of Arabella died a quick death after that.
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* ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2'' officially disproved the idea that a third version of the new games in a generation was inevitable. [[VideoGame/PokemonXAndY Gen VI]] would be confirmed only a few months after ''B2/W2'' was released in North America and Europe.

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* ** ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2'' officially disproved the idea that a third version of the new games in a generation was inevitable. [[VideoGame/PokemonXAndY Gen VI]] would be confirmed only a few months after ''B2/W2'' was released in North America and Europe.Europe.
**''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2'' also disproved the theory that the Straiton City Gym Leaders and the Shadow Triad are the same people.

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** Maybe yes, maybe no; aside of Heidern's words, SNK (Playmore) never confirmed the identity of the city wiped off the map in ''2000'', which alternately ''doesn't'' exempt the possibility of Southtown getting nuked by a KillSat either. And while Edit Teams usually don't have canon endings (note that the true ending combines elements from the Hero Team, Ikari Team, and Kula's endings), the basic Team Edit endings in any game are a conflation/general overview of the canonical ending anyway. When you couple Heidern's name dropping of Southtown with the facts that a) Southtown is where the ''2000'' finals were held, b) the guy who fired it was attempting a coup on that arc's main villains, and c) he was targeting NESTS's base of operations, it's rather easy to conclude that Southtown was indeed razed by the Zero Cannon and later rebuilt by the time of ''2003''.

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** Maybe yes, maybe no; aside of Heidern's words, SNK (Playmore) never confirmed the identity of the city wiped off the map in ''2000'', ''2000'' (coincidentally the swan song of the original SNK), which alternately ''doesn't'' exempt the possibility of Southtown getting nuked by a KillSat either. And while Edit Teams usually don't have canon endings (note that the true ending combines elements from the Hero Team, Ikari Team, and Kula's endings), the basic Team Edit endings in any game are a conflation/general overview of the canonical ending anyway. When you couple Heidern's name dropping of Southtown with the facts that a) Southtown is where the ''2000'' finals were held, b) the guy who fired it was attempting a coup on that arc's main villains, and c) he was targeting NESTS's base of operations, it's rather easy to conclude that Southtown was indeed razed by the Zero Cannon and later rebuilt by the time of ''2003''.

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May lead to FanonDiscontinuity when disgruntled Fans prefer their own {{fanon}} to official facts. In [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot extreme]] [[FanDumb cases]] critics and fans may invoke DeathOfTheAuthor to preserve their interpretation of [[AbsolutelyHappened events]].

Note that in some circles, the term "Jossed" refers to a [[AnyoneCanDie gutwrenching main character death]], which Creator/JossWhedon is also famous for. This definition entered the populace when during a Q&A session at an Australian university, a young Aussie girl noted his tendency to do horrible things to on-screen couples, and to much laughter, said "We call it getting 'Jossed'".

This trope has two opposites: IKnewIt, where the fan theory is proven to be true by a twist that was planned all along, and SureWhyNot, where the author decides to promote some {{Fanon}} elements to {{Canon}} status. The inverse of this trope is ShrugOfGod, where the author refuses to say that one answer is more "correct" than another.

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May lead to FanonDiscontinuity when disgruntled Fans fans prefer their own {{fanon}} to official facts. over the canon. In [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot extreme]] [[FanDumb cases]] cases]], critics and fans may invoke DeathOfTheAuthor to preserve their interpretation of [[AbsolutelyHappened events]].

Note that in some circles, the term "Jossed" refers to a [[AnyoneCanDie gutwrenching main character death]], which Creator/JossWhedon Whedon is also famous for. This definition entered the populace when during a Q&A session at an Australian university, a young Aussie girl noted his tendency to do horrible things to on-screen couples, and to much laughter, said "We call it getting 'Jossed'".

This trope has two opposites: IKnewIt, where the fan theory is proven to be true by a twist that was planned all along, and SureWhyNot, where the author decides to promote some {{Fanon}} fanon elements to {{Canon}} canon status. The inverse of this trope is ShrugOfGod, where the author refuses to say that one answer is more "correct" than another.
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* Many EU ''Franchise/StarTrek'' novels were Jossed by new movies and the ''[[Series/StarTrekEnterprise Enterprise]]'' series. One memorable example is ''Literature/{{Federation}}'' by Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens, which was written mostly from the viewpoint of Zefram Cochrane, as well as Kirk and Picard. For one thing, he's much less of a jerk in this book than in ''[[Film/StarTrekFirstContact First Contact]]''. The book even included the origin of the Starfleet symbol (a sketch of a warp field by Cochrane). In the book, Cochrane's flight happens ''before'' WorldWarThree, which he waits out on Alpha Centauri, while Colonel Greene and his Nazi-like troops attempt to exterminate all non-Optimals. A well-written, emotional novel, casually brushed off in favor of something with the Borg.
* WilliamShatner's own novels dealing with the MirrorUniverse had the origin of the split Jossed by the ''In the Mirror, Darkly'' episode. This one actually followed the ''First Contact'' movie with Cochrane flipping a coin to decide on whether to tell the Vulcans about the Borg. In the Trek 'verse, he doesn't. In the Mirror Universe, he does. They believe him and form a more militaristic union to prepare. It goes downhill from there.

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* Many EU ''Franchise/StarTrek'' novels were Jossed by new movies and the ''[[Series/StarTrekEnterprise Enterprise]]'' series. One memorable example is ''Literature/{{Federation}}'' ''Literature/StarTrekFederation'' by Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens, which was written mostly from the viewpoint of Zefram Cochrane, as well as Kirk and Picard. For one thing, he's much less of a jerk in this book than in ''[[Film/StarTrekFirstContact First Contact]]''. The book even included the origin of the Starfleet symbol (a sketch of a warp field by Cochrane). In the book, Cochrane's flight happens ''before'' WorldWarThree, WorldWarIII, which he waits out on Alpha Centauri, while Colonel Greene and his Nazi-like troops attempt to exterminate all non-Optimals. A well-written, emotional novel, casually brushed off in favor of something with the Borg.
* WilliamShatner's own novels dealing with the MirrorUniverse had the origin of the split Jossed by the ''In "In the Mirror, Darkly'' Darkly" episode. This one actually followed the ''First Contact'' movie with Cochrane flipping a coin to decide on whether to tell the Vulcans about the Borg. In the Trek 'verse, he doesn't. In the Mirror Universe, he does. They believe him and form a more militaristic union to prepare. It goes downhill from there.

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Removing examples: the Zero example is already listed above and the Wily example was less a theory and more of an all-but-explicit allusion mentioned in the games themselves.


* The first ''KingdomHearts'' game probably inspired many theories about Ansem that were invalidated by ''Kingdom Hearts II''. Theories about "Unknown" from ''Final Mix'' and the knights from the second game's secret ending were also invalidated.

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** A fairly minor one, it was the general fandom consensus that all Nobodies looked different, such as having a different hair color, and had a different voice than their "Other", like Roxas, Namine and Xemnas did. Then ''BirthBySleep'' rolled around and we see the "Others" of Xigbar, Xaldin, Vexen, Lexeaus, Zexion, Saix, and Axel, and, while the latter three were kids at the time, they all looked and sounded exactly like their Nobodies. [[spoiler: It should be pointed out that Roxas, Namine and Xemnas aren't "typical" Nobodies]]

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** A fairly minor one, it was the general fandom consensus that all Nobodies looked different, such as having a different hair color, and had a different voice than their "Other", like Roxas, Namine and Xemnas did. Then ''BirthBySleep'' ''Birth by Sleep'' rolled around and we see the "Others" of Xigbar, Xaldin, Vexen, Lexeaus, Zexion, Saix, and Axel, and, while the latter three were kids at the time, they all looked and sounded exactly like their Nobodies. [[spoiler: It [[spoiler:It should be pointed out that Roxas, Namine and Xemnas aren't "typical" Nobodies]]Nobodies.]]



** As a point of interest: while not [[IKnewIt confirmed]], Nero's link to Vergil is still hinted at quite a lot in the game. He wields the Yamato katana -- Vergil's weapon in ''[[VideoGame/DevilMayCry Devil May Cry 3]]'' -- and in [[DeadlyUpgrade Devil Trigger form]], he is overshadowed by a demonic spirit that resembles Vergil's own Devil Trigger. DemonicPossession isn't off the table just yet.

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** As a point of interest: while not [[IKnewIt confirmed]], Nero's link to Vergil is still hinted at quite a lot in the game. He wields the Yamato katana -- Vergil's weapon in ''[[VideoGame/DevilMayCry Devil ''Devil May Cry 3]]'' 3'' -- and in [[DeadlyUpgrade [[SuperMode Devil Trigger form]], he is overshadowed by a demonic spirit that resembles Vergil's own Devil Trigger. DemonicPossession Trigger and his Nelo Angelo form from the first game. DemonicPossession[=/=]SoulJar isn't off the table just yet.



** There is an interview where a member of the staff said that Nero is actually the son of Vergil
** Morihashi Bingo, the scenario designer for Devil May Cry 3 and 4, wrote a novelization of Devil May Cry 4 that states that the connection between Nero and Vergil is that [[spoiler:Nero is the son of Vergil and a human prostitute.]] Bingo added a number of scenes into the novel that clarified the relationship, claiming that the scenes were intended to be in the game but were cut from the final version for various reasons. The problem? Well, before Bingo wrote the novel he actually left Capcom to be a freelance writer. This means that despite the book being the originally intended story for the game, it hasn't been in any published material written by Capcom. Since it hasn't been confirmed or denied, Capcom could easily [[SchrodingersGun change their mind and have the plot go in a different direction.]]
* Prior to ''{{Halo 3}}'', Halo fans began concocting elaborate theories regarding the Forerunners' relationship to humanity and the Flood, Cortana's "ulterior motives" and what the Prophet of Truth's motivations were for wiping out the Elites. [[spoiler:Turns out, the Forerunner simply encountered and fought the Flood, humans happened to be one of countless species the Forerunner preserved in the Ark, Cortana is always on the good guys' side, and Truth is simply a religious zealot who believed the Elites weren't faithful to the Covenant's religion.]]

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** There is an interview where a member of the staff said that Nero is actually the son of Vergil
Vergil.
** Morihashi Bingo, the scenario designer for Devil ''Devil May Cry 3 3'' and 4, ''4'', wrote a novelization of Devil ''Devil May Cry 4 4'' that states that the connection between Nero and Vergil is that [[spoiler:Nero is the son of Vergil and a human prostitute.]] Bingo added a number of scenes into the novel that clarified the relationship, claiming that the scenes were intended to be in the game but were cut from the final version for various reasons. The problem? Well, before Bingo wrote the novel he actually left Capcom to be a freelance writer. This means that despite the book being the originally intended story for the game, it hasn't been in any published material written by Capcom. Since it hasn't been confirmed or denied, Capcom could easily [[SchrodingersGun change their mind and have the plot go in a different direction.]]
* Prior to ''{{Halo ''VideoGame/{{Halo 3}}'', Halo fans began concocting elaborate theories regarding the Forerunners' relationship to humanity and the Flood, Cortana's "ulterior motives" and what the Prophet of Truth's motivations were for wiping out the Elites. [[spoiler:Turns out, the Forerunner simply encountered and fought the Flood, humans happened to be one of countless species the Forerunner preserved in the Ark, Cortana is always on the good guys' side, and Truth is simply a religious zealot who believed the Elites weren't faithful to the Covenant's religion.]]



** Then the [=DS=] remake of ''Trigger'' Jossed even more fan theories with its new ending.
* After years of speculation surrounding the ''VideoGame/MegaMan'' series (namely, that [[VideoGame/MegaManX Zero]] went berserk and killed the original cast), Keiji Inafune casually dismissed the theory in a question and answer session, offhandedly stating that "it was not in Zero's character." Jossed.
* The [[GainaxEnding ambiguous ending]] to ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'', set 500 years into the future, deliberately refused to answer whether or not humanity had survived the clash between Meteor, Holy, and the Lifestream. Then along came the Compilation (some say [[FanNickname Complication]]) of Final Fantasy VII, which continued the story only a few years after said event.
** ''CrisisCore'' pretty much Jossed everyone's fanfictions. Especially Zack/Cloud ones. Since turns out Cloud was not as emo as they wanted to believe. And Zack didn't meet him by saving him from bullies either...Angeal also served as a tool for Jossing too since...well...he was never even referred to until he showed up in CC thus everyone had to assume Zack randomly got the Buster Sword which...Isn't true.
** The FFVII Ultimania Guides: where fanon goes to die. These publications put paid to a lot of popular fan theories.
* Pre-release materials for ''{{Banjo-Kazooie}}: Nuts & Bolts'' revealed the Lord of Games (L.O.G) and his role in the story, where he settles [[BigBad Grunty]] and Banjo's conflict with a contest. Some people didn't simply see L.O.G as a facilitator, and begin to speculate that Grunty might be a DiscOneFinalBoss, with L.O.G being the TrueFinalBoss plotting an EvilPlan against Banjo. Later, Rare opened {{Facebook}} accounts for some of the game's characters for fans to post some questions to their walls for a limited time, with [[http://www.facebook.com/pages/LOG-Lord-of-Games/33513137116 L.O.G himself among them]]. This gave the Banjo theorists the chance to direct their accusations to L.O.G before the game is released. His response?

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** Then the [=DS=] DS remake of ''Trigger'' Jossed even more fan theories with its new ending.
* After years of speculation surrounding the ''VideoGame/MegaMan'' series (namely, that [[VideoGame/MegaManX Zero]] went berserk and killed the original cast), Keiji Inafune casually dismissed the theory in a question and answer session, offhandedly stating that "it was not in Zero's character." Jossed.
Jossed. [[note]]Granted, Inafune's words made sense. True, Zero [[spoiler:was originally an AxCrazy destroyer of unparalleled magnitude]], but if he indeed killed the cast of the Classic series (''including'' his creator Dr. Wily), then comes the FridgeLogic of who would've been around to seal him away in the first place.[[/note]]
** A popular fan theory in the ''[[VideoGame/MegaManZero Zero]]'' series was that the Dark Elf/Mother Elf was an incarnation of Iris, Zero's infamous [[ILetGwenStacyDie Gwen Stacy]] from ''X4'', based on Zero's comment at the end of ''Zero 2'' that he felt he might know her and the Mother Elf's mercy act of [[spoiler:transforming a dying Elpizo into a Cyber Elf]], suggesting she may have formerly been a Reploid. This was eventually dispelled in ''[[AllThereInTheManual Rockman Zero Official Complete Works]]'', which states that [[spoiler:the Mother Elf was created from [[TheVirus Maverick Virus]] data in Zero's body as a Sigma Antibody Program]], thus explaining Zero's sense of familiarity with her.
* The [[GainaxEnding ambiguous ending]] to ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'', set 500 years into the future, deliberately refused to answer whether or not humanity had survived the clash between Meteor, Holy, and the Lifestream. Then along came the Compilation (some say [[FanNickname Complication]]) of Final ''Final Fantasy VII, VII'', which continued the story only a few years after said event.
** ''CrisisCore'' ''VideoGame/CrisisCore'' pretty much Jossed everyone's fanfictions. Especially Zack/Cloud ones. Since turns out Cloud was not as emo as they wanted to believe. And Zack didn't meet him by saving him from bullies either... Angeal also served as a tool for Jossing too since...well...since... well... he was never even referred to until he showed up in CC ''CC'' thus everyone had to assume Zack randomly got the Buster Sword which...Isn't which... isn't true.
** The FFVII Ultimania ''FFVII Ultimania'' Guides: where fanon goes to die. These publications put paid to a lot of popular fan theories.
* ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' in general has been Jossing a lot of fan theories and fanfics since Squeenix finally started making sequels and spin-offs set in the worlds of the individual games. Apart from the Compilation of ''FFVII'', there are also [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyX2 the]] [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyIVTheAfterYears sequels]] to ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'' and ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIV''. On an [[NoExportForYou equally annoying level]], there are also the Japanese-only ''Ultimania'' information books, which often contain details, histories, and character backstories that aren't even remotely hinted at in the games, some of which would look like outrageous EpilepticTrees if they had been fan theories.
* Speaking of ''Final Fantasy'', one cannot bring up ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIII'' without mention of the legendary "[[MyFutureSelfAndMe Rinoa = Ultimecia]]" theory. Even after the ''Ultimania'' guide explicitly noted that Rinoa did not somehow become the game's BigBad in the BadFuture (which admittedly doesn't rule out the possibility that Ultimecia's Sorceress Power descended ''from'' Rinoa over the years), you'll find many a fan still clinging to this idea with an iron grip.
* Pre-release materials for ''{{Banjo-Kazooie}}: ''VideoGame/BanjoKazooie: Nuts & Bolts'' revealed the Lord of Games (L.O.G) and his role in the story, where he settles [[BigBad Grunty]] and Banjo's conflict with a contest. Some people didn't simply see L.O.G as a facilitator, and begin to speculate that Grunty might be a DiscOneFinalBoss, with L.O.G being the TrueFinalBoss plotting an EvilPlan against Banjo. Later, Rare opened {{Facebook}} Website/{{Facebook}} accounts for some of the game's characters for fans to post some questions to their walls for a limited time, with [[http://www.facebook.com/pages/LOG-Lord-of-Games/33513137116 L.O.G himself among them]]. This gave the Banjo theorists the chance to direct their accusations to L.O.G before the game is released. His response?



* ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' in general has been Jossing a lot of fan theories and fanfics since Squeenix finally started making sequels and spin-offs set in the worlds of the individual games. Apart from the Compilation of FFVII, there are also the sequels to [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyX2 Final Fantasy X]] and [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyIVTheAfterYears Final Fantasy IV]]. On an [[NoExportForYou equally annoying level]], there are also the Japanese-only Ultimania information books, which often contain details, histories, and character backstories that aren't even remotely hinted at in the games, some of which would look like outrageous EpilepticTrees if they had been fan theories.
* Despite heavy hints to the positive, the theory of the Wrecked Ship in ''Super {{Metroid}}'' and the Pirate Mothership in ''Metroid Zero Mission'' being the same was Jossed by Zero Mission's director not long after people started espousing it.

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* ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' in general has been Jossing a lot of fan theories and fanfics since Squeenix finally started making sequels and spin-offs set in the worlds of the individual games. Apart from the Compilation of FFVII, there are also the sequels to [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyX2 Final Fantasy X]] and [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyIVTheAfterYears Final Fantasy IV]]. On an [[NoExportForYou equally annoying level]], there are also the Japanese-only Ultimania information books, which often contain details, histories, and character backstories that aren't even remotely hinted at in the games, some of which would look like outrageous EpilepticTrees if they had been fan theories.
* Despite heavy hints to the positive, the theory of the Wrecked Ship in ''Super {{Metroid}}'' VideoGame/{{Metroid}}'' and the Pirate Mothership in ''Metroid ''Metroid: Zero Mission'' being the same was Jossed by Zero Mission's director not long after people started espousing it.



* Any popular fan theory on UminekonoNakuKoroni usually gets Jossed the very next episode, or is confirmed the next episode.

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* Any popular fan theory on UminekonoNakuKoroni ''[[VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry Uminekono Naku Koroni]]'' usually gets Jossed the very next episode, or is confirmed the next episode.



* Creator/{{Nintendo}} seems to take an almost vindictive glee in contradicting the {{Fanon}} that was established for the ''SuperMarioBros'' series during those long years when the plots of the games were strictly SaveThePrincess affairs. The ''very first'' Mario game with an actual plot (''VideoGame/YoshisIsland'') creates an origin story for the Mario Bros. that places their birth in the Mushroom Kingdom - retconning ''Donkey Kong'', ''Mario Bros'', and ''Super Mario Bros'', which collectively state they were born in [[BigApplesauce Brooklyn]] and got to the Mushroom Kingdom [[DownTheDrain through a warp pipe]]. It also makes them twins, even though Mario was usually held as being the older brother by years rather than by minutes. But probably the most callous example to the fandom is ShigeruMiyamoto ''himself'' saying that Mario's full name is not "Mario Mario" (and refusing to disclose their "real" surname).
** This likely wasn't an intentional jossing though, Miyamoto famously doesn't care about plot, so it's dubious he or anyone on the team were aware of any Fanon.
** In a recent interview, he also disproved the common theory that the Koopalings are Bowser's kids (the current story is that the Koopalings are not Bowser's children, and Bowser has only one child, Bowser Jr.) This is despite that originally were Bowser's children in SuperMarioBros3 (the Japanese manual has Bowser refering to them as "Ore-sama no musuko-tachi", meaning "my children", and Larry calls Bowser "Oyaji", a word for "father"). But after this, their family relationship with Bowser didn't get mentioned in later games, [[{{Retcon}} and they got referred to as his "minions" or "underlings" instead]] (and this included the manual for SuperMarioAdvance4, a GBA remake of SuperMarioBros3) - in Japan. It lived on much longer in English-speaking countries as WordOfDante though the English translations, which were more likely to refer to them as "Bowser's children".

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* Creator/{{Nintendo}} seems to take an almost vindictive glee in contradicting the {{Fanon}} that was established for the ''SuperMarioBros'' ''Franchise/SuperMarioBros.'' series during those long years when the plots of the games were strictly SaveThePrincess affairs. The ''very first'' Mario game with an actual plot (''VideoGame/YoshisIsland'') (''[[VideoGame/YoshisIsland Yoshi's Island]]'') creates an origin story for the Mario Bros. that places their birth in the Mushroom Kingdom - retconning ''Donkey Kong'', ''Mario Bros'', Bros.'', and ''Super Mario Bros'', Bros.'', which collectively state they were born in [[BigApplesauce Brooklyn]] and got to the Mushroom Kingdom [[DownTheDrain through a warp pipe]]. It also makes them twins, even though Mario was usually held as being the older brother by years rather than by minutes. But probably the most callous example to the fandom is ShigeruMiyamoto Creator/ShigeruMiyamoto ''himself'' saying that Mario's full name is not "Mario Mario" (and refusing to disclose their "real" surname).
** This likely wasn't an intentional jossing though, jossing, though; Miyamoto famously doesn't care about plot, so it's dubious he or anyone on the team were aware of any Fanon.
** In a recent interview, he also disproved the common theory that the Koopalings are Bowser's kids (the current story is that the Koopalings are not Bowser's children, and Bowser has only one child, Bowser Jr.) This is despite that originally were Bowser's children in SuperMarioBros3 ''VideoGame/SuperMarioBros3'' (the Japanese manual has Bowser refering referring to them as "Ore-sama no musuko-tachi", meaning "my children", and Larry calls Bowser "Oyaji", a word for "father"). But after this, their family relationship with Bowser didn't get mentioned in later games, [[{{Retcon}} and they got referred to as his "minions" or "underlings" instead]] (and this included the manual for SuperMarioAdvance4, ''Super Mario Advance 4'', a GBA remake of SuperMarioBros3) ''Super Mario Bros. 3'') - in Japan. It lived on much longer in English-speaking countries as WordOfDante though the English translations, which were more likely to refer to them as "Bowser's children". children."



* Ah, King of Fighters 2000. With that oh-so-tragic ending where Heidern laments a city being wiped off the map. Wait a minute...Southtown has been destroyed! What an incredibly bold move by SNK! The city that all but defined this tournament, gone, just like that! Wait a minute, are you sure it was Southtown? It had to be Southtown! Yes, it was Southtown! But they'd never...could they...yes! No! It's definitely Southtown, yes, 100% sure, no other possibility! Well, you can imagine the crushing disappointment when later games make it plainly obvious that Southtown wasn't destroyed. Even worse, we never find out which city it supposedly was and the incident is never mentioned again. Of course, you could've predicted this if you remembered that the freaking EDIT TEAM ending has ''never'' been canon in any KOF, ever.
* ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil3Nemesis'' would count. After several novels from S.D. Perry, Nemesis seemed planned to contradict what she wrote as much as possible. Indeed, her edition of the story comes with an author's note stating the continuity errors between book and game. As it is, Nemesis is rather faithful to the source material.

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* Ah, King of Fighters 2000.''VideoGame/TheKingOfFighters 2000''. With that oh-so-tragic ending where Heidern laments a city being wiped off the map. Wait a minute... Southtown has been destroyed! What an incredibly bold move by SNK! Creator/{{SNK}}! The city that all but defined this tournament, gone, just like that! Wait a minute, are you sure it was Southtown? It had to be Southtown! Yes, it was Southtown! But they'd never...never... could they...they... yes! No! It's definitely Southtown, yes, 100% sure, no other possibility! Well, you can imagine the crushing disappointment when later games make it plainly obvious that Southtown wasn't destroyed. Even worse, we never find out which city it supposedly was and the incident is never mentioned again. Of course, you could've predicted this if you remembered that the freaking EDIT TEAM ending has ''never'' been canon in any KOF, ''KOF'', ever.
** Maybe yes, maybe no; aside of Heidern's words, SNK (Playmore) never confirmed the identity of the city wiped off the map in ''2000'', which alternately ''doesn't'' exempt the possibility of Southtown getting nuked by a KillSat either. And while Edit Teams usually don't have canon endings (note that the true ending combines elements from the Hero Team, Ikari Team, and Kula's endings), the basic Team Edit endings in any game are a conflation/general overview of the canonical ending anyway. When you couple Heidern's name dropping of Southtown with the facts that a) Southtown is where the ''2000'' finals were held, b) the guy who fired it was attempting a coup on that arc's main villains, and c) he was targeting NESTS's base of operations, it's rather easy to conclude that Southtown was indeed razed by the Zero Cannon and later rebuilt by the time of ''2003''.
* ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil3Nemesis'' ''[[VideoGame/ResidentEvil3Nemesis Resident Evil 3: Nemesis]]'' would count. After several novels from S.D. Perry, Nemesis ''Nemesis'' seemed planned to contradict what she wrote as much as possible. Indeed, her edition of the story comes with an author's note stating the continuity errors between book and game. As it is, Nemesis ''Nemesis'' is rather faithful to the source material.



* The WildCard ending of ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' brought about many theories of the Yes Man A.I. turning against the player due to a mention of finding an upgrade that lets him be more "Assertive". However, when asked about this lead developer J.E. Sawyer stated that the upgrade was meant to ensure that Yes Man is capable of formulating his own decisions while also only following the Courier's orders, preventing someone else from hijacking the Courier's seat of power.
** The fan theories of ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' in general are particularly prone to being Jossed, since Sawyer keeps an active formspring account and readily answers most questions.
* Hyrule Historia, a book released in 2011 as part of the series' 25th anniversary, debunked practically all timeline theories that placed the earlier 2D games (from the original ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZelda'' to ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaLinksAwakening'', plus ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOracleGames'') either in the Adult Timeline or the Child Timeline of the series' overall chronology, instead placing them in a ''third'' timeline that, like the other two, has its roots in the ending of ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime''. On the positive side, the book also confirmed lots of other theories, as well as previously ambiguous or unconfirmed stuff.

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* The WildCard ending of ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' ''[[VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas Fallout: New Vegas]]'' brought about many theories of the Yes Man A.I. turning against the player due to a mention of finding an upgrade that lets him be more "Assertive". However, when asked about this lead developer J.E. Sawyer stated that the upgrade was meant to ensure that Yes Man is capable of formulating his own decisions while also only following the Courier's orders, preventing someone else from hijacking the Courier's seat of power.
** The fan theories of ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' ''New Vegas'' in general are particularly prone to being Jossed, since Sawyer keeps an active formspring Formspring account and readily answers most questions.
* Hyrule Historia, ''Hyrule Historia'', a book released in 2011 as part of the series' ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda''[='s=] 25th anniversary, debunked practically all timeline theories that placed the earlier 2D games (from the original ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZelda'' to ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaLinksAwakening'', ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaLinksAwakening Link's Awakening]]'', plus ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOracleGames'') the ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOracleGames Oracle]]'' duology) either in the Adult Timeline or the Child Timeline of the series' overall chronology, instead placing them in a ''third'' timeline that, like the other two, has its roots in the ending of ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime''.''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime Ocarina of Time]]''. On the positive side, the book also confirmed lots of other theories, as well as previously ambiguous or unconfirmed stuff.



* The original ending of VideoGame/MassEffect3 has created a fandom theory that Shepard was indoctrinated by the Reapers due [[spoiler:to the Catalyst being the exact image of a boy who died at the beginning of the game.]] Once the Extended Cut DLC was released however, it was clear that Shepard has his entire mind under control with [[spoiler:a new option to refuse all of the choices the Catalyst has offered]].
* From the ambiguous ending of the Celebi event in ''[[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver Pokemon HeartGold and SoulSilver]]'', it was widely believed that [[spoiler: after the player defeats Giovanni in a battle, he walks out of the cave and kills himself by jumping off the cliff it's perched on.]] His appearance at the tournament in ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2'' confirmed this to not be the case.
* ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2'' officially disproved the idea that a third version of the new games in a generation was inevitable.

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* The original ending of VideoGame/MassEffect3 ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'' has created a fandom theory that Shepard was indoctrinated by the Reapers due [[spoiler:to the Catalyst being the exact image of a boy who died at the beginning of the game.]] Once the Extended Cut DLC was released however, it was clear that Shepard has his entire mind under control with [[spoiler:a new option to refuse all of the choices the Catalyst has offered]].
* From the ambiguous ending of the Celebi event in ''[[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver Pokemon Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver]]'', it was widely believed that [[spoiler: after the player defeats Giovanni in a battle, he walks out of the cave and kills himself by jumping off the cliff it's perched on.]] His appearance at the tournament in ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2'' confirmed this to not be the case.
* ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2'' officially disproved the idea that a third version of the new games in a generation was inevitable. [[VideoGame/PokemonXAndY Gen VI]] would be confirmed only a few months after ''B2/W2'' was released in North America and Europe.



* Attempts to [[{{Jossed}} joss]] things in ''{{VideoGame/Touhou}}'' tend not to work so well, not because the jossing is ignored, but because the fans are far too versatile to be encumbered by it. ''Double Spoiler'', which is the most cited attempt at unintentional [[{{Jossed}} jossing]] of a wide variety of things, caused ''an increase'' in AlternateCharacterInterpretations.

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* Attempts to [[{{Jossed}} joss]] {{joss|ed}} things in ''{{VideoGame/Touhou}}'' ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'' tend not to work so well, not because the jossing is ignored, but because the fans are far too versatile to be encumbered by it. ''Double Spoiler'', which is the most cited attempt at unintentional [[{{Jossed}} jossing]] jossing of a wide variety of things, caused ''an increase'' in AlternateCharacterInterpretations.



* Capcom, including Inafune, have Jossed the fan theory that [[MegaManX Zero]] is responsible for the deaths[=/=]absence of the original MegaMan cast, who are mostly robots and arguably should've still been around, absent destruction or irreparable damage[=/=]wear.
** The theory that Zero was built by original series BigBad Dr. Wily has basically been confirmed, however.
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** ''Who'' fans are used to being Jossed by now; the new series in particular takes a perverse pleasure in contradicting {{Fanon}} without having violated any actual {{Canon}}. The Doctor's references to his family in "The Empty Child", "The Doctor's Daughter", "Fear Her" and "Smith and Jones" have evoked particular Jossing. Even though his granddaughter Susan is introduced in ''the very first episode of the entire show'', many fans maintained that the Doctor was asexual in some way. One uncharitable theory is that the Doctor was retconned this way by his more rabid fans on the principle that if ''they've'' never had sex, why should he...? (In one of the BigFinishDoctorWho audios, the Doctor clearly and unequivocally says that he has never been a father, but (a) that's not part of the TV show, (b) the Doctor lies pretty often and (c) the MST3KMantra is recommended with the sheer amount of writers the show has).

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** ''Who'' fans are used to being Jossed by now; the new series in particular takes a perverse pleasure in contradicting {{Fanon}} without having violated any actual {{Canon}}. The Doctor's references to his family in "The Empty Child", "The Doctor's Daughter", "Fear Her" and "Smith and Jones" have evoked particular Jossing. Even though his granddaughter Susan is introduced in ''the very first episode of the entire show'', many fans maintained that the Doctor was asexual in some way. One uncharitable theory is that the Doctor was retconned this way by his more rabid fans on the principle that if ''they've'' never had sex, why should he...? (In one of the BigFinishDoctorWho AudioPlay/BigFinishDoctorWho audios, the Doctor clearly and unequivocally says that he has never been a father, but (a) that's not part of the TV show, (b) the Doctor lies pretty often and (c) the MST3KMantra is recommended with the sheer amount of writers the show has).
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* Creator/JohnLennon had repeatedly denied that [[Music/TheBeatles "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds"]] had anything to do with LSD, despite him having LSD experiences and writing "She Said She Said" beforehand about a bad trip. According to Lennon, he was not aware of the LSD abbreviation at the time, had only heard the substance referred to as "acid," and was inspired by a painting that his son Julian made in school. However, [[FanDislikedExplanation the explanation didn't deter his fans]], and Creator/PaulMcCartney has refuted John's statements.

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* Creator/JohnLennon Music/JohnLennon had repeatedly denied that [[Music/TheBeatles "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds"]] had anything to do with LSD, despite him having LSD experiences and writing "She Said She Said" beforehand about a bad trip. According to Lennon, he was not aware of the LSD abbreviation at the time, had only heard the substance referred to as "acid," and was inspired by a painting that his son Julian made in school. school of his classmate Lucy O'Donnell. His son and Lucy also confirmed this answer. However, [[FanDislikedExplanation the explanation didn't deter his fans]], and Creator/PaulMcCartney Music/PaulMcCartney has refuted John's statements.

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* ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'': Directed by JossWhedon, this is the fandom reaction to the season 5 revelation that Drusilla sired Spike. Until this point, it was assumed that Angelus siring Spike was canon (what with Spike outright referring to Angel as his sire at least twice); suddenly almost all existing Fanged Four and Angel/Spike fics were 'Jossed'. The explanation is that "sire" can refer to any vampiric ancestor, not just the direct one. Angel sired Drusilla, so is Spike's sire - and did indeed have a mentor relationship with him, which isn't always the case.
* A popular fan theory about {{Firefly}}'s Shepherd Book was that he had spent time as an Operative. This has been Jossed by the Shepherd's Tale comic, which reveals that [[spoiler: he was at one point high-ranking Alliance commander, but was working as a spy for the Browncoats the whole time. Before that he was a streetkid named Henry Evans, who joined the Independent movement to get off his homeworld.]]

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* ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'': Directed by JossWhedon, Creator/JossWhedon, this is the fandom reaction to the season 5 revelation that Drusilla sired Spike. Until this point, it was assumed that Angelus siring Spike was canon (what with Spike outright referring to Angel as his sire at least twice); suddenly almost all existing Fanged Four and Angel/Spike fics were 'Jossed'. The explanation is that "sire" can refer to any vampiric ancestor, not just the direct one. Angel sired Drusilla, so is Spike's sire - and did indeed have a mentor relationship with him, which isn't always the case.
* A popular fan theory about {{Firefly}}'s ''{{Series/Firefly}}'''s Shepherd Book was that he had spent time as an Operative. This has been Jossed by the Shepherd's Tale comic, which reveals that [[spoiler: he was at one point high-ranking Alliance commander, but was working as a spy for the Browncoats the whole time. Before that he was a streetkid named Henry Evans, who joined the Independent movement to get off his homeworld.]]



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* Creator/JohnLennon had repeatedly denied that [[Music/TheBeatles "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds"]] had anything to do with LSD, despite him having LSD experiences and writing "She Said She Said" beforehand about a bad trip. According to Lennon, he was not aware of the LSD abbreviation at the time, had only heard the substance referred to as "acid," and was inspired by a painting that his son Julian made in school. However, [[FanDislikedExplanation the explanation didn't deter his fans]], and Creator/PaulMcCartney has refuted John's statements.
* Another drug related one: Peter Yarrow denied that his song "Puff the Magic Dragon" was about smoking marijuana, and that it "never had any meaning other than the obvious one": the "loss of innocence in children."
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* RealLife does this to you all the time. Note on this Wiki [[ScienceMarchesOn Science]], [[TechnologyMarchesOn Technology]], [[HistoryMarchesOn History]], and [[SocietyMarchesOn Society]] Marching On.
* John Lennon had repeatedly denied that [[Music/TheBeatles "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds"]] had anything to do with LSD, despite him having LSD experiences and writing "She Said She Said" beforehand about a bad trip. According to Lennon, he was not aware of the LSD abbreviation at the time, had only heard the substance referred to as "acid," and was inspired by a painting that his son Julian made in school. However, [[FanDislikedExplanation the explanation didn't deter his fans]], and Paul McCartney has refuted John's statements.

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* RealLife does this to you all the time. Note on this Wiki [[ScienceMarchesOn Science]], [[TechnologyMarchesOn Technology]], [[HistoryMarchesOn History]], and [[SocietyMarchesOn Society]] Marching On.
* John Lennon had repeatedly denied that [[Music/TheBeatles "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds"]] had anything to do with LSD, despite him having LSD experiences and writing "She Said She Said" beforehand about a bad trip. According to Lennon, he was not aware of the LSD abbreviation at the time, had only heard the substance referred to as "acid," and was inspired by a painting that his son Julian made in school. However, [[FanDislikedExplanation the explanation didn't deter his fans]], and Paul McCartney has refuted John's statements.
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* John Lennon had repeatedly denied that [[TheBeatles "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds"]] had anything to do with LSD, despite him having LSD experiences and writing "She Said She Said" beforehand about a bad trip. According to Lennon, he was not aware of the LSD abbreviation at the time, had only heard the substance referred to as "acid," and was inspired by a painting that his son Julian made in school. However, [[FanDislikedExplanation the explanation didn't deter his fans]], and Paul McCartney has refuted John's statements.

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* John Lennon had repeatedly denied that [[TheBeatles [[Music/TheBeatles "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds"]] had anything to do with LSD, despite him having LSD experiences and writing "She Said She Said" beforehand about a bad trip. According to Lennon, he was not aware of the LSD abbreviation at the time, had only heard the substance referred to as "acid," and was inspired by a painting that his son Julian made in school. However, [[FanDislikedExplanation the explanation didn't deter his fans]], and Paul McCartney has refuted John's statements.

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* Capcom, including Inafune, have Jossed the fan theory that [[MegaManX Zero]] is responsible for the deaths[=/=]absence of the original MegaMan cast, who are mostly robots and arguably should've still been around, absent destruction or irreparable damage[=/=]wear.
** The theory that Zero was built by original series BigBad Dr. Wily has basically been confirmed, however.
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* There was some speculation that GrantMorrison's second volume of ''[[GrantMorrisonsBatman Batman, Incorporated]]'' would be ignoring the [[{{New 52}} DC reboot]], and that it would be the last book taking place in the "classic" DC Universe. This lead to even wilder rumors that Morrison had threatened to walk away from DC if they forced him to "submit" to the new continuity. This was revealed to be complete nonsense when Morrison killed off [[{{Robin}} Damian Wayne]], an event that had massive repercussions throughout the reboot Batman titles (even acting like a bit of a BatFamilyCrossover).
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A fan gets Jossed when the elaborate EpilepticTrees or {{Fanfic}} that they've lovingly built upon canonical elements is abruptly disproved by further canon or by the WordOfGod. Named after JossWhedon; ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' was notorious for this. Fans would come up with detailed and elaborate theories or plots during summer hiatuses, most of which got completely thrown out within three episodes of the new season.

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A fan gets Jossed when the elaborate EpilepticTrees or {{Fanfic}} that they've lovingly built upon canonical elements is abruptly disproved by further canon or by the WordOfGod. Named after JossWhedon; Creator/JossWhedon; ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' was notorious for this. Fans would come up with detailed and elaborate theories or plots during summer hiatuses, most of which got completely thrown out within three episodes of the new season.



Note that in some circles, the term "Jossed" refers to a [[AnyoneCanDie gutwrenching main character death]], which JossWhedon is also famous for. This definition entered the populace when during a Q&A session at an Australian university, a young Aussie girl noted his tendency to do horrible things to on-screen couples, and to much laughter, said "We call it getting 'Jossed'".

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Note that in some circles, the term "Jossed" refers to a [[AnyoneCanDie gutwrenching main character death]], which JossWhedon Creator/JossWhedon is also famous for. This definition entered the populace when during a Q&A session at an Australian university, a young Aussie girl noted his tendency to do horrible things to on-screen couples, and to much laughter, said "We call it getting 'Jossed'".



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* John Lennon had repeatedly denied that [[TheBeatles "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds"]] had anything to do with LSD, despite him having LSD experiences and writing "She Said She Said" beforehand about a bad trip. According to Lennon, he was not aware of the LSD abbreviation at the time, had only heard the substance referred to as "acid," and was inspired by a painting that his son Julian made in school. However, [[FanDislikedExplanation the explanation didn't deter his fans]], and Paul McCartney has refuted John's statements.
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** Of course, Lazenby's Bond famously referred to Connery's Bond as 'the other fellow' when he first appeared. It's clearly a fourth-wall-breaking joke, mind.
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** The theory of [=McGee=] having a dead mother was well on its way to becoming accepted fanon in seasons nine and ten, mostly because that seemed to be the trend on the show - Tony, Ziva, Gibbs, and Abby have all lost their mothers. The idea was jossed in the latter half of Season 10 when it is mentioned in an episode that this character's mother is very much alive and well.
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* There was rampant speculation over which episodes of ''NeonGenesisEvangelion'' the third ''RebuildOfEvangelion'' film would adapt and what changes would be made. The movie then rendered most fan theories moot when it was revealed that [[spoiler: it took place after a 14 year TimeSkip and told a completely original story]].

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* There was rampant speculation over which episodes of ''NeonGenesisEvangelion'' ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' the third ''RebuildOfEvangelion'' film would adapt and what changes would be made. The movie then rendered most fan theories moot when it was revealed that [[spoiler: it took place after a 14 year TimeSkip and told a completely original story]].
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*** In particular, the fans who objected to the portrayal of Vulcans in this series apparently never watched, or had forgotten about, the TOS episode "Amok Time", in which T'Pau (one of the most eminent Vulcans, though her exact position is never stated; she's said to have been the only person ever to decline a seat on the Federation Council) makes statements about Terrans that could very easily be construed to be racist, and T'Pring hatches a plot with her lover Stonn to get Spock killed by challenging the marriage. Not very nice people by any reasonable standard. Spock himself states on several occasions that one reason Vulcans place so much of a premium on logic and strict emotional control is that their emotions and passions are far stronger and harsher than humans, and it's canon that Vulcan civilization was very nearly destroyed centuries ago in wars that were worse than anything Earth ever experienced, even World War III itself. Not to mention that the objectors are ignoring the example of the Romulans, who are basically the descendants of Vulcans who refused to accept Sarek's philosophies and struck out to greener pastures offworld instead in order to preserve their original civilization, both the good and the bad.

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