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21st Jun '16 9:58:51 PM MyFinalEdits
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* Every new generation for ages has been dismissed as lazy/stupid/entitled/dangerous, and many a doomsday prophet predicted that those damn kids will blow up the world in a few years. Meanwhile the apocalypse keeps not happening, and every time it seems to come close, those responsible are usually two generations up from the current so-called nihilists. Not to mention the "lazy and stupid" folk keep coming up with better and better technology. Including, ironically, medical advances that have increased our expected lifespan and ameliorated many conditions associated with aging.

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* Every new generation for ages has been dismissed as lazy/stupid/entitled/dangerous, and many a doomsday prophet predicted that those damn kids will blow up the world in a few years. Meanwhile the apocalypse keeps not happening, and every time it seems to come close, those responsible are usually two generations up from the current so-called nihilists. Not to mention Plus, the "lazy and stupid" folk keep coming up with better and better technology. Including, ironically, medical advances that have increased our expected lifespan and ameliorated many conditions associated with aging.
12th Jun '16 5:35:30 PM nombretomado
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* When ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxyVol2'' was in the early pre-production stages, Creator/JamesGunn mentioned that he'd be introducing one of his favorite superheroes as a new member of the team. This caused a bunch of speculation that the new Guardian in question would be someone like Moondragon, Adam Warlock, [[MsMarvel Captain Marvel]], or even one of UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|of Comic Books}} Guardians like Starhawk or Vance Astro. In the end, it turned out to be Mantis, a character a lot of fans had overlooked.

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* When ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxyVol2'' was in the early pre-production stages, Creator/JamesGunn mentioned that he'd be introducing one of his favorite superheroes as a new member of the team. This caused a bunch of speculation that the new Guardian in question would be someone like Moondragon, Adam Warlock, [[MsMarvel [[ComicBook/MsMarvel Captain Marvel]], or even one of UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|of Comic Books}} Guardians like Starhawk or Vance Astro. In the end, it turned out to be Mantis, a character a lot of fans had overlooked.
7th Jun '16 11:33:24 AM Willbyr
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* ''VisualNovel/NineHoursNinePersonsNineDoors'' ends with a shot of the characters [[spoiler:driving through the Nevada Desert]] when they notice a woman who seems to bare a resemblance to [[spoiler:"All-Ice", shortened to "Alice" by some, the apparent Egyptian mummy who according to legend has Ice-9 in instead of water in her body,]] hitch-hiking. Junpei notes that he 'recognizes' the woman, then the game abruptly ends. [[spoiler:Earlier in the game, the characters had already found a coffin where "All-Ice" was supposed to have been hidden, only to find it empty, concluding the entire thing to be a myth, so this ending just opened more questions]]. This led to loads of confused players, but also a pile of theories. Especially when the sequel, VirtuesLastReward, seemed to have a character called "Alice" who resembles [[spoiler:All-Ice in looks. The most consistent theory was that "All-Ice" had somehow gotten out of her coffin and unfrozen]]. Then the sequel actually came out, and the entire thing turned out to just be a coincidence: [[spoiler:A government agent called Alice, who happened to resemble All-Ice in many ways, just happened to have been tracking terrorists to somewhere in the Nevada desert, and happened upon the characters as they drove. Just to add insult to injury, the game doesn't just joss it with new facts; it straight out kills the the theory with Alice herself calling anyone who believes in the fact she actually had Ice-9 in her body and is an ancient mummy a complete idiot]].

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* ''VisualNovel/NineHoursNinePersonsNineDoors'' ends with a shot of the characters [[spoiler:driving through the Nevada Desert]] when they notice a woman who seems to bare a resemblance to [[spoiler:"All-Ice", shortened to "Alice" by some, the apparent Egyptian mummy who according to legend has Ice-9 in instead of water in her body,]] hitch-hiking. Junpei notes that he 'recognizes' the woman, then the game abruptly ends. [[spoiler:Earlier in the game, the characters had already found a coffin where "All-Ice" was supposed to have been hidden, only to find it empty, concluding the entire thing to be a myth, so this ending just opened more questions]]. This led to loads of confused players, but also a pile of theories. Especially when the sequel, VirtuesLastReward, ''VisualNovel/VirtuesLastReward'', seemed to have a character called "Alice" who resembles [[spoiler:All-Ice in looks. The most consistent theory was that "All-Ice" had somehow gotten out of her coffin and unfrozen]]. Then the sequel actually came out, and the entire thing turned out to just be a coincidence: [[spoiler:A government agent called Alice, who happened to resemble All-Ice in many ways, just happened to have been tracking terrorists to somewhere in the Nevada desert, and happened upon the characters as they drove. Just to add insult to injury, the game doesn't just joss it with new facts; it straight out kills the the theory with Alice herself calling anyone who believes in the fact she actually had Ice-9 in her body and is an ancient mummy a complete idiot]].
4th Jun '16 11:31:22 PM TheJayman49
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* In ''WesternAnimation/TheAmazingWorldOfGumball'', Penny was frequently depicted in fanart as a deer without her shell on. [[Recap/TheAmazingWorldOfGumballS3E20TheShell ''The Shell'']] revealed she was actually [[spoiler:a shapeshifting fairy like creature without her shell.]]

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* In ''WesternAnimation/TheAmazingWorldOfGumball'', Penny was frequently depicted in fanart as a deer without her shell on.on due to her antlers. [[Recap/TheAmazingWorldOfGumballS3E20TheShell ''The Shell'']] revealed she was actually [[spoiler:a shapeshifting fairy like creature without her shell.]]
2nd Jun '16 1:43:35 PM slvstrChung
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** The most popular theory was that the Forsaken Demandred was in disguise as Mazrim Taim, the false Dragon who knew how to test to see if a man could channel. There were also other hints that compared the two, but the whole thing was Jossed when Robert Jordan blankly stated that Mazrim Taim was not Demandred. Jordan was notorious for refusing to give straight answers, reputedly because he was amused by the rabid fan discussions on some of the more hotly debated topics. Even this WordOfGod Jossing came only after fairly extensive evidence against the Taimandred theory was published in Book 9 - it wasn't enough to convince some.
** Every now and then a new reader will connect the dots and come up with the Taimandred theory on their own, prompting agonized groans from every WoT forum on the web.
** The final book puts paid to any and all speculation on the subject, something Brandon Sanderson had said he was quite keen on doing for various theories and mysteries when he took over after Jordan's [[Author Existence Failure]] (see also, "who killed Asmodean", one of the things Jordan found too amusing to provide an answer for).

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** The most popular theory was that the Forsaken Demandred was in disguise as Mazrim Taim, the false Dragon who knew how to test to see if a man could channel. There were also other hints that compared the two, but the whole thing was Jossed when Robert Jordan blankly stated that Mazrim Taim was not Demandred. Jordan was notorious for refusing to give straight answers, reputedly because he was amused by the rabid fan discussions on some of the more hotly debated topics. Even this WordOfGod Jossing came only after fairly extensive evidence against the Taimandred theory was published in Book 9 - it wasn't enough to convince some.
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some. The final book put the last nails in the coffin by having Demandred and Taim appear side-by-side in the same scene. Even so, every now and then a new reader will connect the dots and come up with the Taimandred theory on their own, prompting agonized groans from every WoT forum on the web.
** The final book puts paid to any and all speculation on the subject, something Brandon Once Sanderson had said took the reins after Jordan's AuthorExistenceFailure, he was quite keen on doing for deliberately put an end to a number of various theories and mysteries when he took over after Jordan's [[Author Existence Failure]] that had been left hanging (see also, "who killed Asmodean", one of the things Jordan found too amusing to provide an answer for).



* In the latter sense of the word, George R. R. Martin is particularly infamous in his "Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire" series for destroying any happy relationships and suddenly and without warning killing off random good/light-grey characters.
** In the first book, he destroys Danaerys Targaryen's first ever happy period by [[spoiler: killing off her "Sun-and-Stars," Khal Drogo]]. Also in the first book, he kills [[spoiler: Eddard Stark]] with absolutely no warning.
** He continues, deciding to blow up Tyrion's relationship with [[spoiler: Shae,]] goes back in time to reveal that [[spoiler: Tyrion]]'s wife, supposedly a whore hired to pop his cherry by his brother, genuinely did love him, knocks off about half of the good guys at [[spoiler: the Red Wedding,]] teased that [[spoiler: Davos Seaworth]] was executed before revealing it to be untrue, has [[spoiler: Jeor Mormont]] murdered, kills off Jon Snow's love interest, kills [[spoiler: Qhorin Halfhand]], and deliberately leaves fans in a state of agony over whether [[spoiler: Jon Snow]] is dead. It's a big list.
** In an example of intermedium Jossing, fans built a lot of theories around [[spoiler: Robbs wife escaping Red Wedding and possibility of her being either pregnant or a mole]]. In the TV series [[spoiler: Red Wedding starts with Talisa stabbed repeatedly in the stomach]] disproving all the theories about her being a ChekhovMIA.

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* In the latter sense of the word, George R. R. Martin is particularly infamous in his "Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire" series for destroying any happy relationships and suddenly and without warning killing off random good/light-grey characters.
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characters. There's a reason it's a poster child for the "AnyoneCanDie" trope. In the first book, he destroys Danaerys Targaryen's first ever happy period by [[spoiler: killing off her "Sun-and-Stars," Khal Drogo]]. Also in the first book, he kills [[spoiler: Eddard Stark]] with absolutely no warning.
** He continues, deciding to blow up Tyrion's relationship with [[spoiler: Shae,]] goes back in time to reveal that [[spoiler: Tyrion]]'s wife, supposedly a whore hired to pop his cherry by his brother, genuinely did love him, knocks off about half
''first'' sense of the good guys at [[spoiler: the Red Wedding,]] teased that [[spoiler: Davos Seaworth]] term, he has explicitly shot down a theory regarding a minor character who appears in Bran's storyline ([[spoiler:Coldhands, who was executed before revealing it believed to be untrue, has [[spoiler: Jeor Mormont]] murdered, kills off Jon Snow's love interest, kills [[spoiler: Qhorin Halfhand]], some sort of zombified version of Benjen Stark]]). Notably, the [[Series/GameOfThrones TV show]] ignored this and deliberately leaves fans in a state of agony over whether [[spoiler: Jon Snow]] is dead. It's a big list.
made the theory canon, underlining the fact that, by the showrunners' own admission, they are writing their own GeckoEnding.
** In an example of intermedium Jossing, inter-medium Jossing: fans were a little upset with the Red Wedding, and built a lot of theories around [[spoiler: Robbs wife escaping Red Wedding and possibility of her being either the fact that Robb's wife, Jeyne Westerling, who did not attend the festivities, could possibly be pregnant or and/or a mole]]. In mole. GRRM is on record that, even if those things are true, "The Adventures Of Baby Stark" are not going to be a part of the song of ice and fire. The TV series [[spoiler: Red Wedding starts with enforced this by explicitly getting his wife [[CanonForeigner Talisa stabbed repeatedly in Maegyr]] pregnant and then having her be the stomach]] disproving all first to die at the theories about her being a ChekhovMIA.Red Wedding.
24th May '16 6:42:16 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* The promotional campaign leading up to the release of ''Film/{{Cloverfield}}'' was more or less ''intended'' to produce EpilepticTrees of all varieties, which it did. Fan speculation identified the monster, unseen in trailers, to be any number of previously established beings—[[CthulhuMythos Cthulhu]], Franchise/{{Godzilla}}, {{Voltron}}, [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot Donkey Kong Jesus Riding on a Puff of Smoke]]—instead of what it actually was, [[spoiler: an immature sea creature that was awakened from dormancy from a falling satellite and became huge after exposure to a soft drink additive. This is not spelled out in the movie, but it's AllThereInTheManual.]] ''Prob''ably...

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* The promotional campaign leading up to the release of ''Film/{{Cloverfield}}'' was more or less ''intended'' to produce EpilepticTrees of all varieties, which it did. Fan speculation identified the monster, unseen in trailers, to be any number of previously established beings—[[CthulhuMythos Cthulhu]], Franchise/{{Godzilla}}, {{Voltron}}, Anime/{{Voltron}}, [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot Donkey Kong Jesus Riding on a Puff of Smoke]]—instead of what it actually was, [[spoiler: an immature sea creature that was awakened from dormancy from a falling satellite and became huge after exposure to a soft drink additive. This is not spelled out in the movie, but it's AllThereInTheManual.]] ''Prob''ably...
19th May '16 12:22:31 PM azul120
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* Fans of ''Franchise/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy'' tried to find hidden meaning in the fact that the Ultimate Answer to Life, The Universe and Everything was "42" while the Ultimate Question was "What do you get when you multiply six by nine?". Some observed that, in Base 13, 6 x 9 '''is''' 42. Adams famously responded "I don't write jokes in Base 13". In the same vein, attempts to assign deeper meaning to the number 42 in the first place were {{Jossed}} when he said he picked the number at random, decided it sounded good, and went with it. Stephen Fry stated, possibly jokingly, "Douglas told me in the strictest confidence exactly why 42. The answer is fascinating, extraordinary and, when you think hard about it, completely obvious. Nonetheless amazing for that. Remarkable really. But sadly I cannot share it with anyone and the secret must go with me to the grave. Pity, because it explains so much beyond the books. It really does explain the secret of life, the universe, and everything."

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* Fans of ''Franchise/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy'' tried to find hidden meaning in the fact that the Ultimate Answer to Life, The Universe and Everything was "42" while the Ultimate Question was "What do you get when you multiply six by nine?". Some observed that, in Base 13, 6 x 9 '''is''' 42. Adams famously responded "I don't write jokes in Base 13". In the same vein, attempts to assign deeper meaning to the number 42 in the first place were {{Jossed}} Jossed when he said he picked the number at random, decided it sounded good, and went with it. Stephen Fry stated, possibly jokingly, "Douglas told me in the strictest confidence exactly why 42. The answer is fascinating, extraordinary and, when you think hard about it, completely obvious. Nonetheless amazing for that. Remarkable really. But sadly I cannot share it with anyone and the secret must go with me to the grave. Pity, because it explains so much beyond the books. It really does explain the secret of life, the universe, and everything."



* In the ''Webcomic/GunnerkriggCourt'' fandom, the two most popular theories about the identity of the third girl from the photo (that she's a relative of Gamma's, and that she's a young Jones) were immediately {{Jossed}} by [[WordOfGod the author]] on the forum. Since most of the fans don't hang out on the forum, these theories remained popular, until TheRant below [[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=365 this page]] put them to rest in the bluntest way possible. Also parodied in the rant on [[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=336 this page]]. The first three theories that Tom facetiously shot down were {{Shout Out}}s to to actual EpilepticTrees from the fandom. He has taken this to a whole new level by having Renard Joss a theory that Jones was a robot ''in comic'' on this [[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=592 page]]. When the theory refused to die, Jones herself stated she was not a Robot on [[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=728 this page]]. The rant on that last one also includes a shirt design Jossing the theory yet again.

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* In the ''Webcomic/GunnerkriggCourt'' fandom, the two most popular theories about the identity of the third girl from the photo (that she's a relative of Gamma's, and that she's a young Jones) were immediately {{Jossed}} Jossed by [[WordOfGod the author]] on the forum. Since most of the fans don't hang out on the forum, these theories remained popular, until TheRant below [[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=365 this page]] put them to rest in the bluntest way possible. Also parodied in the rant on [[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=336 this page]]. The first three theories that Tom facetiously shot down were {{Shout Out}}s to to actual EpilepticTrees from the fandom. He has taken this to a whole new level by having Renard Joss a theory that Jones was a robot ''in comic'' on this [[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=592 page]]. When the theory refused to die, Jones herself stated she was not a Robot on [[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=728 this page]]. The rant on that last one also includes a shirt design Jossing the theory yet again.



** The first week of November, 2011 had significant amounts of {{Fanon}} {{Jossed}}. First, a new blind bag wave was released which contains mostly background ponies from the show. None of the five whose toy names had become well-known had their {{Fan Nickname}}s, which caused heated debates about which names to call them by--the old and established {{Fan Nickname}}s or the brand-new toy names whose likes have been rendered obsolete by {{Canon}} in two other blind bag ponies' cases. The good news for them is that the later waves of blind bags stated those official names as second names, making some fan interpretations canon. For example, fan name "Lyra" + old official name "Heartstrings" = new official name "Lyra Heartstrings."
** Lauren Faust once revealed more of the actual backstory of Nightmare Moon, and how she was banished, on her Website/DeviantArt page. (Unfortunately, it was in the page-comments section, and has long since scrolled off.) Much of it invalidates the common fanon interpretation of [[DracoInLeatherPants Luna]] as basically the victim of [[RonTheDeathEater Celestia]] in the whole affair. Different from many other forms of [[{{Jossed}} Jossing]] in that Faust pointed out that since it was never stated in the show, it isn't really canon, and it was perfectly possible for the current crew to contradict it. Later, the two-part episode "Princess Twilight Sparkle" made the Jossing fully canonical.

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** The first week of November, 2011 had significant amounts of {{Fanon}} {{Jossed}}.Jossed. First, a new blind bag wave was released which contains mostly background ponies from the show. None of the five whose toy names had become well-known had their {{Fan Nickname}}s, which caused heated debates about which names to call them by--the old and established {{Fan Nickname}}s or the brand-new toy names whose likes have been rendered obsolete by {{Canon}} in two other blind bag ponies' cases. The good news for them is that the later waves of blind bags stated those official names as second names, making some fan interpretations canon. For example, fan name "Lyra" + old official name "Heartstrings" = new official name "Lyra Heartstrings."
** Lauren Faust once revealed more of the actual backstory of Nightmare Moon, and how she was banished, on her Website/DeviantArt page. (Unfortunately, it was in the page-comments section, and has long since scrolled off.) Much of it invalidates the common fanon interpretation of [[DracoInLeatherPants Luna]] as basically the victim of [[RonTheDeathEater Celestia]] in the whole affair. Different from many other forms of [[{{Jossed}} Jossing]] Jossing in that Faust pointed out that since it was never stated in the show, it isn't really canon, and it was perfectly possible for the current crew to contradict it. Later, the two-part episode "Princess Twilight Sparkle" made the Jossing fully canonical.
16th May '16 6:12:14 AM universalperson
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** There was also quite a bit of speculation about Roxas, known only as the "Blond-Haired Kid", or BHK, after a few previews of ''Kingdom Hearts II'' were released. Many theories were in the correct vein, but as Roxas is linked to a group of people who were never mentioned at all in the first game, it was virtually impossible for anyone to guess his true identity. It got easier to pin "BHK" post-''Chain of Memories''. However, people had no clue how to take [=DiZ=], with the common theory having him as the "Superior" of the Organization and Ansem's Nobody.

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** There was also quite a bit of speculation about Roxas, known only as the "Blond-Haired Kid", or BHK, after a few previews of ''Kingdom Hearts II'' were released. Many theories were in the correct vein, but as Roxas is linked to a group of people who were never mentioned at all in the first game, it was virtually impossible for anyone to guess his true identity. It got easier to pin "BHK" post-''Chain of Memories''. However, people had no clue how to take [=DiZ=], with the But then there was [=DiZ=]. The common theory having him as was that he was the "Superior" of the Organization and Ansem's Nobody.Nobody - because ''Chain of Memories'' heavily implied that Ansem's Nobody led the Organization and [=DiZ=] himself was Ansem (as King Mickey recognized him). The actual truth of the matter was something no-one could have predicted - [[spoiler: [[{{Retcon}} that the Ansem you fought in the first game wasn't the real Ansem King Mickey met.]]]]
15th May '16 10:38:51 PM nombretomado
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* A popular [[MarvelCinematicUniverse MCU]] theory was that the redheaded ComicBook/{{SHIELD}} agent Amanda Righetti portrayed in ''Film/{{Captain America|TheFirstAvenger}}'' was [[ComicBook/{{Agent 13}} Sharon Carter]]. This was shot down when it was announced that Emily [=VanCamp=] would be playing Carter in [[Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier the sequel]].

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* A popular [[MarvelCinematicUniverse [[Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse MCU]] theory was that the redheaded ComicBook/{{SHIELD}} agent Amanda Righetti portrayed in ''Film/{{Captain America|TheFirstAvenger}}'' was [[ComicBook/{{Agent 13}} Sharon Carter]]. This was shot down when it was announced that Emily [=VanCamp=] would be playing Carter in [[Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier the sequel]].
14th May '16 6:48:08 PM FrolickingFizgig
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** Upon the release of The Force Awakens many fans moved on to the theory that Rey might be Luke Skywalker's daughter instead. Some thought the main protagonist of the Star Wars spinoff movie Rogue One would be revealed as the mother, but that theory was quickly debunked by Daisy Ridley in an interview. Still, the Rey Skywalker theory persisted until director JJ Abrams responded to a [[http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/jj-abrams-reys-parents-not-884438 question regarding Rey's parentage]] at the Tribeca Film Festival, clarifying that Rey's parents did not appear in The Force Awakens. He suspiciously [[http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Star-Wars-J-J-Abrams-Backtracks-Statement-About-Rey-Parents-125157.html recanted this statement several hours later]], but the damage was done for most fans. The secondary comments made by Daisy Ridley and Pablo Hidalgo only served to confirm Abrams' initial statement. The canon tie-in book Bloodline by Claudia Grey also conflicts heavily with the Rey Skywalker theory. Countless fans now claim that the theory would cause innumerable character assassinations, would be incredibly convoluted and could never be developed believably.

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** Upon the release of The Force Awakens many fans moved on to the theory that Rey might be Luke Skywalker's daughter instead. Some thought the main protagonist of the Star Wars spinoff movie Rogue One would be revealed as the mother, but that theory was quickly debunked by Daisy Ridley in an interview.[[http://www.mtv.com/news/video/2865182/daisy-ridley-star-wars-episode-8-darker/ interview]]. Still, the Rey Skywalker theory persisted until director JJ Abrams responded to a [[http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/jj-abrams-reys-parents-not-884438 question regarding Rey's parentage]] at the Tribeca Film Festival, clarifying that Rey's parents did not appear in The Force Awakens. He suspiciously [[http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Star-Wars-J-J-Abrams-Backtracks-Statement-About-Rey-Parents-125157.html recanted this statement several hours later]], but the damage was done for most fans. The secondary comments made by Daisy Ridley and Pablo Hidalgo only served to confirm Abrams' initial statement. The canon tie-in book Bloodline by Claudia Grey also conflicts heavily with the Rey Skywalker theory. Countless fans now claim that the theory would cause innumerable character assassinations, would be incredibly convoluted and could never be developed believably.
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