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17th Jul '17 1:40:55 AM bt8257
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* Music/JohnLennon had repeatedly denied that [[Music/SgtPeppersLonelyHeartsClubBand "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds"]] had anything to do with LSD, despite him having LSD experiences and writing "She Said She Said" beforehand about a bad trip. According to Lennon, he was not aware of the LSD abbreviation at the time, had only heard the substance referred to as "acid," and was inspired by a painting that his son Julian made in school of his classmate Lucy O'Donnell. His son and Lucy also confirmed this answer. However, [[FanDislikedExplanation the explanation didn't deter his fans]], and Music/PaulMcCartney has refuted John's statements.

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* Music/JohnLennon had repeatedly denied that [[Music/SgtPeppersLonelyHeartsClubBand "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds"]] had anything to do with LSD, despite him having LSD experiences and writing [[Music/{{Revolver}} "She Said She Said" Said"]] beforehand about a bad trip. According to Lennon, he was not aware of the LSD abbreviation at the time, had only heard the substance referred to as "acid," and was inspired by a painting that his son Julian made in school of his classmate Lucy O'Donnell. His son and Lucy also confirmed this answer. However, [[FanDislikedExplanation the explanation didn't deter his fans]], and Music/PaulMcCartney has refuted John's statements.



* Continuing on with the drug theme, many people believe Music/PinkFloyd's "Comfortably Numb" is about heroin use. In reality, its about Roger Waters' experiencing different illnesses and the feelings that come along with them. The second verse in particular is about when he had become sick with stomach cramps prior to performing (it later turned out to be hepatitis); a doctor gave him a shot of something, which made him numb. When asked about the line "That'll keep you going through the show" in particular, Roger said "That comes from a specific show at the Spectrum in UsefulNotes/Philadelphia (June 29, 1977). I had stomach cramps so bad that I thought I wasn't able to go on. A doctor backstage gave me a shot of something that I swear to God would have killed a fucking elephant. I did the whole show hardly able to raise my hand above my knee. He said it was a muscular relaxant. But it rendered me almost insensible. It was so bad that at the end of the show, the audience was baying for more. I couldn't do it. They did the encore about me."

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* Continuing on with the drug theme, many people believe Music/PinkFloyd's [[Music/TheWall "Comfortably Numb" Numb"]] is about heroin use. In reality, its about Roger Waters' Waters experiencing different illnesses and the feelings that come along with them. The second verse in particular is about when he had become sick with stomach cramps prior to performing (it later turned out to be hepatitis); a doctor gave him a shot of something, which made him numb. When asked about the line "That'll keep you going through the show" in particular, Roger he said "That comes from a specific show at the Spectrum in UsefulNotes/Philadelphia UsefulNotes/{{Philadelphia}} (June 29, 1977). I had stomach cramps so bad that I thought I wasn't able to go on. A doctor backstage gave me a shot of something that I swear to God would have killed a fucking elephant. I did the whole show hardly able to raise my hand above my knee. He said it was a muscular relaxant. But it rendered me almost insensible. It was so bad that at the end of the show, the audience was baying for more. I couldn't do it. They did the encore about me."
17th Jul '17 1:38:15 AM bt8257
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* Music/JohnLennon had repeatedly denied that [[Music/TheBeatles "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds"]] had anything to do with LSD, despite him having LSD experiences and writing "She Said She Said" beforehand about a bad trip. According to Lennon, he was not aware of the LSD abbreviation at the time, had only heard the substance referred to as "acid," and was inspired by a painting that his son Julian made in school of his classmate Lucy O'Donnell. His son and Lucy also confirmed this answer. However, [[FanDislikedExplanation the explanation didn't deter his fans]], and Music/PaulMcCartney has refuted John's statements.

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* Music/JohnLennon had repeatedly denied that [[Music/TheBeatles [[Music/SgtPeppersLonelyHeartsClubBand "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds"]] had anything to do with LSD, despite him having LSD experiences and writing "She Said She Said" beforehand about a bad trip. According to Lennon, he was not aware of the LSD abbreviation at the time, had only heard the substance referred to as "acid," and was inspired by a painting that his son Julian made in school of his classmate Lucy O'Donnell. His son and Lucy also confirmed this answer. However, [[FanDislikedExplanation the explanation didn't deter his fans]], and Music/PaulMcCartney has refuted John's statements.



* Continuing on with the drug theme. Many people believe Pink Floyd's "Comfortable Numb" is about heroin use, in reality it's about David Gilmour's experiences with different illnesses and the feelings that came along with them. The second verse in particular is about a specific concert where he had become sick prior to performing. A doctor had given him a muscle relaxant which had made him numb.

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* Continuing on with the drug theme. Many theme, many people believe Pink Floyd's "Comfortable Music/PinkFloyd's "Comfortably Numb" is about heroin use, in reality it's use. In reality, its about David Gilmour's experiences with Roger Waters' experiencing different illnesses and the feelings that came come along with them. The second verse in particular is about a specific concert where when he had become sick with stomach cramps prior to performing. A performing (it later turned out to be hepatitis); a doctor had given gave him a muscle relaxant shot of something, which had made him numb. When asked about the line "That'll keep you going through the show" in particular, Roger said "That comes from a specific show at the Spectrum in UsefulNotes/Philadelphia (June 29, 1977). I had stomach cramps so bad that I thought I wasn't able to go on. A doctor backstage gave me a shot of something that I swear to God would have killed a fucking elephant. I did the whole show hardly able to raise my hand above my knee. He said it was a muscular relaxant. But it rendered me almost insensible. It was so bad that at the end of the show, the audience was baying for more. I couldn't do it. They did the encore about me."
1st Jul '17 4:43:56 AM StFan
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-> '''Martha:''' I thought you were going to say he was your secret brother or something.[[note]]Martha's suggesting [[BigBad the Master]] is the Doctor's sibling. The idea was toyed with back in the 1970's as an unproduced story called "The Final Game", but a freak accident claimed the life of his first actor and the plot line where the Master was meant to die after confessing his identity as the Doctor's brother was scuttled.[[/note]]\\

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-> '''Martha:''' ->'''Martha:''' I thought you were going to say he was your secret brother or something.[[note]]Martha's suggesting [[BigBad the Master]] is the Doctor's sibling. The idea was toyed with back in the 1970's as an unproduced story called "The Final Game", but a freak accident claimed the life of his first actor and the plot line where the Master was meant to die after confessing his identity as the Doctor's brother was scuttled.[[/note]]\\



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* A week of ''Brevity'' (starting [[http://www.gocomics.com/brevity/2010/09/27 here]]) focused on the life cycle of a couple. Readers following the sequence theorized that this is from the point of view of the tree in the background. However, [[http://www.gocomics.com/brevity/2010/10/03 the final strip revealed that the POV was actually from the benches the couple were sitting on throughout the sequence]].
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* A week of ''Brevity'' (starting [[http://www.gocomics.com/brevity/2010/09/27 here]]) focused on the life cycle of a couple. Readers following the sequence theorized that this is from the point of view of the tree in the background. However, [[http://www.gocomics.com/brevity/2010/10/03 the final strip revealed that the POV was actually from the benches the couple were sitting on throughout the sequence]].

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* A week Creator/GeorgeBernardShaw was so sick of ''Brevity'' (starting [[http://www.gocomics.com/brevity/2010/09/27 here]]) focused on all the life cycle of a couple. Readers following the sequence theorized people who felt Eliza Doolittle and Professor Henry Higgins from ''Theatre/{{Pygmalion}}'' should've ended up together, that this is from the point of view of the tree he wrote an entire essay on why Eliza and Henry could never be together; and in the background. However, [[http://www.gocomics.com/brevity/2010/10/03 original play she marries Freddy Eynsford-Hill. Nevertheless, in its film adaptation, and in the final strip revealed that musical ''Theatre/MyFairLady'', (both the POV was actually from stage version and the benches the couple were sitting on throughout the sequence]].film), ended with [[MaybeEverAfter Eliza and Henry possibly together]].



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* Creator/GeorgeBernardShaw was so sick of all the people who felt Eliza Doolittle and Professor Henry Higgins from ''Theatre/{{Pygmalion}}'' should've ended up together, that he wrote an entire essay on why Eliza and Henry could never be together; and in the original play she marries Freddy Eynsford-Hill. Nevertheless, in its film adaptation, and in the musical ''Theatre/MyFairLady'', (both the stage version and the film), ended with [[MaybeEverAfter Eliza and Henry possibly together]].
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** The ''very first'' Mario game with an actual plot (''VideoGame/YoshisIsland'') creates an origin story for the Mario Bros. that places their birth in the Mushroom Kingdom - retconning ''Donkey Kong'', ''Mario Bros.'', and ''Super Mario Bros.'', which collectively state they were born in [[BigApplesauce Brooklyn]] and got to the Mushroom Kingdom [[DownTheDrain through a warp pipe]]. It also makes them twins, even though Mario was usually held as being the older brother by years rather than by minutes.

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** The ''very first'' Mario game with an actual plot (''VideoGame/YoshisIsland'') creates an origin story for the Mario Bros. that places their birth in the Mushroom Kingdom - -- retconning ''Donkey Kong'', ''Mario Bros.'', and ''Super Mario Bros.'', which collectively state they were born in [[BigApplesauce Brooklyn]] and got to the Mushroom Kingdom [[DownTheDrain through a warp pipe]]. It also makes them twins, even though Mario was usually held as being the older brother by years rather than by minutes.



-->"In fact, I try not to read anything where people suggest upcoming plot ideas because I hate it when people guess what is going to happen. I feel the uncontrollable urge to change what happens, just to prove them wrong. Petty? Probably."

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-->"In --->''In fact, I try not to read anything where people suggest upcoming plot ideas because I hate it when people guess what is going to happen. I feel the uncontrollable urge to change what happens, just to prove them wrong. Petty? Probably."''



'''Shojo:''' ''(while he and Belkar are playing Dungeons & Dragons)'' Not ''this'' game!\\

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'''Shojo:''' ''(while ''[while he and Belkar are playing Dungeons ''Dungeons & Dragons)'' Dragons'']'' Not ''this'' game!\\



** A DoubleSubversion of Jossing occurred with the theory that Elan's father is Lord Tyrinar, the warlord who had Haley's father imprisoned. The first strips where Tarquin appeared had him as a general who'd lost his empire long before; but it was eventually revealed that he was the man behind the throne of an empire that had gone through several figurehead rulers and names including Tyrinaria and Ian Starshine was one of the prisoners Roy befriended in the Empire's prisons. Tyrinar turned out to be just one of the figureheads, and dead in the present time of the comic.
* ''Webcomic/ElGoonishShive'' author Dan Shive has done this too many times to count.

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** A DoubleSubversion of Jossing occurred with the theory that Elan's father is Lord Tyrinar, the warlord who had Haley's father imprisoned. The first strips where Tarquin appeared had him as a general who'd lost his empire long before; but it was eventually revealed that he was the man behind the throne of an empire that had gone through several figurehead rulers and names -- including Tyrinaria -- and Ian Starshine was one of the prisoners Roy befriended in the Empire's prisons. Tyrinar turned out to be just one of the figureheads, and dead in the present time of the comic.
* %%* ''Webcomic/ElGoonishShive'' author Dan Shive has done this too many times to count.



* ''[[WesternAnimation/DungeonsAndDragons Dungeons & Dragons]]'': All widely accepted EpilepticTrees jossed with the release of the script of the unaired finale. The kids did ''not'' die in a rollercoaster crash, they are ''not'' in Hell, and Dungeon Master is ''not'' {{Satan}}.

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* ''[[WesternAnimation/DungeonsAndDragons Dungeons & Dragons]]'': ''WesternAnimation/DungeonsAndDragons'': All widely accepted EpilepticTrees jossed with the release of the script of the unaired finale. The kids did ''not'' die in a rollercoaster crash, they are ''not'' in Hell, and Dungeon Master is ''not'' {{Satan}}.



** After the penultimate episode of ''[[Dreamland/{{Archer}} Dreamland]]'' ended with Trexler saying [[spoiler: that Mother killed Woodhouse]], fans thought that his reluctance meant that he was lying. [[DownplayedTrope Semi-Jossed]], since [[spoiler: while she didn't really kill Woodhouse, Trexler genuinely thought she did.]]

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** After the penultimate episode of ''[[Dreamland/{{Archer}} Dreamland]]'' ended ''WesternAnimation/ArcherDreamland'' ends with Trexler saying [[spoiler: that [[spoiler:that Mother killed Woodhouse]], fans thought that his reluctance meant that he was lying. [[DownplayedTrope Semi-Jossed]], since [[spoiler: while [[spoiler:while she didn't really kill Woodhouse, Trexler genuinely thought she did.]]



* The case of Volpina from ''WesternAnimation/MiraculousLadybug'' is perhaps as bad (or amusing) as the previous ''Gravity Falls'' example. Months before her premiere in the show, the creators posted a teaser of her character design, which was cool enough to get instant fan love and a wealth of {{Fanon}}. Fans decided that she would be an older, more experienced Miraculous holder, that she'd be a playful trickster who'd serve as a CoolBigSis to Cat Noir and Ladybug, and that she'd be bisexual and a big flirt with a non-serious crush on Marinette. When the character premiered in the show proper, she turned out to be almost the exact opposite--a selfish ConsummateLiar AttentionWhore who hates Ladybug and tries to manipulate Adrien into dating her. To add insult to injury, [[spoiler:she wasn't a Miraculous holder at all, but just another akuma victim]]. The fandom was [[BrokenBase temporarily rather shattered by this development]], although most admitted they only had their own ideas to blame.
* A popular ''[[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons Simpsons]]'' fan theory insists that the main character Homer never actually awoke from his coma at the end of "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS4E18SoItsComeToThisASimpsonsClipShow So It's Come To This: A Simpsons Clip Show]]" and that all subsequent episodes were AllJustADream, thus explaining away the show's later [[ContinuitySnarl continuity problems]] and changes in [[DenserAndWackier tone]] and [[{{Flanderization}} characterization]]. This theory has been [[http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/13/simpsons-theory-shot-down_n_6681278.html thoroughly debunked]] by executive producer Al Jean.

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* The case of Volpina from ''WesternAnimation/MiraculousLadybug'' is perhaps as bad (or amusing) as the previous ''Gravity Falls'' example. Months before her premiere in the show, the creators posted a teaser of her character design, which was cool enough to get instant fan love and a wealth of {{Fanon}}. Fans decided that she would be an older, more experienced Miraculous holder, that she'd be a playful trickster who'd serve as a CoolBigSis to Cat Noir and Ladybug, and that she'd be bisexual and a big flirt with a non-serious crush on Marinette. When the character premiered in the show proper, she turned out to be almost the exact opposite--a opposite -- a selfish ConsummateLiar AttentionWhore who hates Ladybug and tries to manipulate Adrien into dating her. To add insult to injury, [[spoiler:she wasn't a Miraculous holder at all, but just another akuma victim]]. The fandom was [[BrokenBase temporarily rather shattered by this development]], although most admitted they only had their own ideas to blame.
* A popular ''[[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons Simpsons]]'' fan theory insists that the main character Homer never actually awoke from his coma at the end of "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS4E18SoItsComeToThisASimpsonsClipShow So It's Come To to This: A Simpsons Clip Show]]" and that all subsequent episodes were AllJustADream, thus explaining away the show's later [[ContinuitySnarl continuity problems]] and changes in [[DenserAndWackier tone]] and [[{{Flanderization}} characterization]]. This theory has been [[http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/13/simpsons-theory-shot-down_n_6681278.html thoroughly debunked]] by executive producer Al Jean.



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23rd Jun '17 11:36:54 AM mouschilight
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** The "[[AllJustADream Genjutsu]] [[EpilepticTrees Theory]]", espoused mostly by [[DieForOurShip upset shipping fans]], which claims that the events of the final chapters and ''Anime/TheLastNarutoTheMovie'' are in reality [[SchrodingersButterfly taking place in the]] [[LotusEaterMachine Infinite Tsukiyomi]] dream world, of Hinata, to be more precise (since ''The Last'' is very Hinata-centric). Suffice to say, the fact that Hinata's dream featured a still-alive Neji, even though he ''died'' to save Naruto and Hinata in Chapter 614, and then everyone, including Hinata, woke up from their dream and attended Neji's funeral in Chapter 699, plus the subsequent releases of ''LightNovel/NarutoHiden'', ''Manga/{{Naruto Gaiden}}'', ''Anime/BorutoNarutoTheMovie'' and the sequel manga ''[[Manga/{{Boruto}} Boruto: Naruto Next Generation]]'', not to mention [[WordOfGod Kishimoto's own statements in several post-series interviews]]--statements that are heavily supported by the fact that ''The Last'' was confirmed '''with''' Kishimoto's approval and direct involvement ''two years'' before the manga ended--have disproved this theory to hell and back.

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** The "[[AllJustADream Genjutsu]] [[EpilepticTrees Theory]]", espoused mostly by [[DieForOurShip upset shipping fans]], which claims that the events of the final chapters and ''Anime/TheLastNarutoTheMovie'' are in reality [[SchrodingersButterfly taking place in the]] [[LotusEaterMachine Infinite Tsukiyomi]] dream world, of Hinata, to be more precise (since ''The Last'' is very Hinata-centric). Suffice to say, the fact that Hinata's dream featured a still-alive Neji, even though he ''died'' to save Naruto and Hinata in Chapter 614, and then everyone, including Hinata, woke up from their dream and attended Neji's funeral in Chapter 699, plus the subsequent releases of ''LightNovel/NarutoHiden'', ''Manga/{{Naruto Gaiden}}'', ''Anime/BorutoNarutoTheMovie'' and the sequel manga ''[[Manga/{{Boruto}} Boruto: Naruto Next Generation]]'', Generations]]'', not to mention [[WordOfGod Kishimoto's own statements in several post-series interviews]]--statements that are heavily supported by the fact that ''The Last'' was confirmed '''with''' Kishimoto's approval and direct involvement ''two years'' before the manga ended--have disproved this theory to hell and back.
16th Jun '17 11:43:53 AM mouschilight
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** The "[[AllJustADream Genjutsu]] [[EpilepticTrees Theory]]", espoused mostly by [[DieForOurShip upset shipping fans]], which claims that the events of the final chapters and ''Anime/TheLastNarutoTheMovie'' are in reality [[SchrodingersButterfly taking place in the]] [[LotusEaterMachine Infinite Tsukiyomi]] dream world, of Hinata, to be more precise (since ''The Last'' is very Hinata-centric). Suffice to say, the fact that Hinata's dream featured a still-alive Neji, even though he ''died'' to save Naruto and Hinata in Chapter 614, and then everyone, including Hinata, woke up from their dream and attended Neji's funeral in Chapter 699, plus the subsequent releases of ''LightNovel/NarutoHiden'', ''Manga/{{Naruto Gaiden}}'', ''Anime/BorutoNarutoTheMovie'' and the sequel manga ''[[Manga/{{Boruto}} Boruto: Naruto Next Generation]]'', not to mention [[WordOfGod Kishimoto's own statements in several post-series interviews]]--statements that are heavily supported by the fact that ''The Last'' was confirmed with Kishimoto's approval and direct involvement ''two years'' before the manga ended--have disproved this theory to hell and back.

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** The "[[AllJustADream Genjutsu]] [[EpilepticTrees Theory]]", espoused mostly by [[DieForOurShip upset shipping fans]], which claims that the events of the final chapters and ''Anime/TheLastNarutoTheMovie'' are in reality [[SchrodingersButterfly taking place in the]] [[LotusEaterMachine Infinite Tsukiyomi]] dream world, of Hinata, to be more precise (since ''The Last'' is very Hinata-centric). Suffice to say, the fact that Hinata's dream featured a still-alive Neji, even though he ''died'' to save Naruto and Hinata in Chapter 614, and then everyone, including Hinata, woke up from their dream and attended Neji's funeral in Chapter 699, plus the subsequent releases of ''LightNovel/NarutoHiden'', ''Manga/{{Naruto Gaiden}}'', ''Anime/BorutoNarutoTheMovie'' and the sequel manga ''[[Manga/{{Boruto}} Boruto: Naruto Next Generation]]'', not to mention [[WordOfGod Kishimoto's own statements in several post-series interviews]]--statements that are heavily supported by the fact that ''The Last'' was confirmed with '''with''' Kishimoto's approval and direct involvement ''two years'' before the manga ended--have disproved this theory to hell and back.
12th Jun '17 7:56:20 AM nicehulk
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* ''Series/TheWalkingDead'' had a moment in season 7 where Daryl blinks a lot while looking at Rick. Earlier in the episode a poster with the morse alphabet was shown, so fans theorised that Daryl was blinking in morse code, even translating the long and short blinks to "I, E, A, S, T.". That would then probably mean that Daryl tried to communicate that he was being held captive somewhere to the east. However, ''Main/WordOfGod'' Scott M. Gimple stated he wished the writers had been that clever and that the fans gave them too much credit.
9th Jun '17 6:34:36 AM Trooper924
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**Fanfics often depicted the fight between Princess Celestia and Nightmare Moon as a [[GreatOffscreenWar massive war]], involving entire armies and spanning over the course of several battles. However, [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E2PrincessTwilightSparklePart2 the second half]] of the season four premiere revealed that the two only had one, brief confrontation before Celestia banished her sister to the moon.



* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'': A wildly accepted theory amongst fans was that Rose Quartz (and by extension Steven) was really Pink Diamond of Homeworld's Diamond Authority, and had defected, with the evidence being that Pink Diamond's symbol being nowhere in the modern Diamond Authority emblem, and Rose being vastly different from the other Quartz warriors introduced at the time. The theory was destroyed during the later parts of Season Three, where it was revealed that [[spoiler:Rose ''shattered'' Pink Diamond to save Earth]].

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* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'': A wildly accepted theory amongst fans was that Rose Quartz (and by extension Steven) was really Pink Diamond of Homeworld's Diamond Authority, and had defected, with the evidence being that Pink Diamond's symbol being nowhere in the modern Diamond Authority emblem, and Rose being vastly different from the other Quartz warriors introduced at the time. The theory was destroyed during the later parts of Season Three, where it was revealed that [[spoiler:Rose [[spoiler:not only were the two separate individuals, but Rose ''shattered'' Pink Diamond to save Earth]].
29th May '17 11:55:24 AM MyFinalEdits
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* An InUniverse example occurs in ''WesternAnimation/{{Archer}}'', where various characters claim throughout the series that Krieger is probably a clone of UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler. In one Season 6 episode, he points out that he can't be a clone of Hitler because if he was, [[CaptainObvious he would look like Hitler]]. Malory seems to have never considered this.

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An InUniverse example occurs in ''WesternAnimation/{{Archer}}'', where various characters claim throughout the series that Krieger is probably a clone of UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler. In one Season 6 episode, he points out that he can't be a clone of Hitler because if he was, [[CaptainObvious he would look like Hitler]]. Malory seems to have never considered this.
29th May '17 10:05:57 AM mariofan1000
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** After the penultimate episode of ''[[Dreamland/{{Archer}} Dreamland]]'' ended with Trexler saying [[spoiler: that Mother killed Woodhouse]], fans thought that his reluctance meant that he was lying. [[DownplayedTrope Semi-Jossed]], since [[spoiler: while she didn't really kill Woodhouse, Trexler genuinely thought she did.]]



* After the penultimate episode of ''WesternAnimation/{{Archer}} [[Dreamland/{{Archer}} Dreamland]]'' ended with Trexler saying [[spoiler: that Mother killed Woodhouse]], fans thought that his reluctance meant that he was lying. [[DownplayedTrope Semi-Jossed]], since [[spoiler: while she didn't really kill Woodhouse, Trexler genuinely thought she did and had no idea that it was really Barry.]]
27th May '17 1:43:11 AM mariofan1000
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* After the penultimate episode of ''WesternAnimation/{{Archer}} [[Dreamland/{{Archer}} Dreamland]]'' ended with Trexler saying [[spoiler: that Mother killed Woodhouse]], fans thought that his reluctance meant that he was lying. [[DownplayedTrope Semi-Jossed]], since [[spoiler: while she didn't really kill Woodhouse, Trexler genuinely thought she did and had no idea that it was really Barry.]]
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