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18th Apr '16 4:47:06 AM SeptimusHeap
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* The {{Novelization}} of ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquer: Tiberium Wars'' has this in ''spades''. Among the most {{egregious}} examples of tactics in the book is a scene where a [[HumongousMecha Juggernaut artillery walker]] attacks a Nod machinegun emplacement. Does it use its cannons to bombard it from a distance as artillery emplacements are ''supposed'' to? No. Does it blast the emplacement directly with its cannons? Nope. It ''charges'' the emplacement and ''steps on it.'' Aside from the obvious stupidity of doing that, what kind of idiotic commander ''puts his artillery close enough to the enemy that it can '''step''' on their gun emplacements?'' Especially when the Juggernaut only has legs because it is supposed to stay out of the line of fire in the first place? (We have a trope page for the FixFic ''FanFic/TiberiumWars'', by the way.)

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* The {{Novelization}} of ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquer: Tiberium Wars'' ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquerTiberiumWars'' has this in ''spades''. Among the most {{egregious}} examples of tactics in the book is a scene where a [[HumongousMecha Juggernaut artillery walker]] attacks a Nod machinegun emplacement. Does it use its cannons to bombard it from a distance as artillery emplacements are ''supposed'' to? No. Does it blast the emplacement directly with its cannons? Nope. It ''charges'' the emplacement and ''steps on it.'' Aside from the obvious stupidity of doing that, what kind of idiotic commander ''puts his artillery close enough to the enemy that it can '''step''' on their gun emplacements?'' Especially when the Juggernaut only has legs because it is supposed to stay out of the line of fire in the first place? (We have a trope page for the FixFic ''FanFic/TiberiumWars'', by the way.)
16th Apr '16 10:58:42 AM nombretomado
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* The battle tactics used in ''TheMalazanBookOfTheFallen'' series aren't necessarily bad; they'd probably work pretty well if used by RealLife generals during ancient times. However, in their world, magic exists, and it can be just as powerful, if not more powerful, than any modern weaponry, something which most generals seem completely unprepared for. Most of the time, marching their soldiers across the countryside in large formations just makes them sitting ducks for High Mages, who can kill hundreds with a single sorcerous blast.
* The ''{{Starfist}}'' series contains several blatant examples, particularly with the issue regarding uncombined arms.

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* The battle tactics used in ''TheMalazanBookOfTheFallen'' ''Literature/TheMalazanBookOfTheFallen'' series aren't necessarily bad; they'd probably work pretty well if used by RealLife generals during ancient times. However, in their world, magic exists, and it can be just as powerful, if not more powerful, than any modern weaponry, something which most generals seem completely unprepared for. Most of the time, marching their soldiers across the countryside in large formations just makes them sitting ducks for High Mages, who can kill hundreds with a single sorcerous blast.
* The ''{{Starfist}}'' ''Literature/{{Starfist}}'' series contains several blatant examples, particularly with the issue regarding uncombined arms.
5th Mar '16 12:27:07 AM SeptimusHeap
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* Both ''StarWarsCloneWars'' and ''StarWarsTheCloneWars'' series display countless, repeated examples of this trope from the Jedi and the Republic in general, despite A) the clones being outnumbered by several orders of magnitude by the Separatist droid army (the latter manufactured in factories across the galaxy while the clones are only produced in a few small cities on one planet), and B) the Republic on the brink of winning the war by the time of ''RevengeOfTheSith'', pushing the Separatists to a handful of Outer Rim fortresses. This is despite the clones being allergic to cover and commonly meeting the droids (entirely viable) ZergRush tactics with their own, having minimal-to-non-existant armoured or aerial/orbital support, and generally being utterly useless unless a Jedi is around to help them (''especially'' in the second series). The few examples of competency, for example the unbelievably badass ARC troopers in the first series, just rub salt in the wound. The largest example of this is displayed in the first few minutes of the pilot film. Despite the clones having ample cover and artillery support to hold off the large amount of incoming droids, once Anakin springs his 'ambush' (a staggering ''5 soldiers''), the clones immediately jump out of cover and charge the enemy droids head-on. They predictably get slaughtered.

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* Both ''StarWarsCloneWars'' ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsCloneWars'' and ''StarWarsTheCloneWars'' ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' series display countless, repeated examples of this trope from the Jedi and the Republic in general, despite A) the clones being outnumbered by several orders of magnitude by the Separatist droid army (the latter manufactured in factories across the galaxy while the clones are only produced in a few small cities on one planet), and B) the Republic on the brink of winning the war by the time of ''RevengeOfTheSith'', pushing the Separatists to a handful of Outer Rim fortresses. This is despite the clones being allergic to cover and commonly meeting the droids (entirely viable) ZergRush tactics with their own, having minimal-to-non-existant armoured or aerial/orbital support, and generally being utterly useless unless a Jedi is around to help them (''especially'' in the second series). The few examples of competency, for example the unbelievably badass ARC troopers in the first series, just rub salt in the wound. The largest example of this is displayed in the first few minutes of the pilot film. Despite the clones having ample cover and artillery support to hold off the large amount of incoming droids, once Anakin springs his 'ambush' (a staggering ''5 soldiers''), the clones immediately jump out of cover and charge the enemy droids head-on. They predictably get slaughtered.
1st Mar '16 6:05:10 AM Willbyr
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* During the battle of Marineford in ''One Piece'', Whitebeard's initial tactic of emerging right in the middle of Marineford harbor is visually impressive and carries shock and awe, however it left him totally surrounded. (He did, however, stop to notice the Marine warships on opposing sides, and ordered his pirate allies to use their ships to fire on them, correctly noting that it was a encirclement plan. But by then, it was too little, too late.) Meanwhile, the Marines used actual strategy, including combined arms, flanking, fortifications, and psychological warfare. It is testament to the pirates' impressive resolve and power that it isn't a total slaughter from the very beginning... though about halfway through, it becomes clear this will not end well for the pirates.

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* During the battle of Marineford in ''One Piece'', ''Manga/OnePiece'', Whitebeard's initial tactic of emerging right in the middle of Marineford harbor is visually impressive and carries shock and awe, however it left him totally surrounded. (He did, however, stop to notice the Marine warships on opposing sides, and ordered his pirate allies to use their ships to fire on them, correctly noting that it was a encirclement plan. But by then, it was too little, too late.) Meanwhile, the Marines used actual strategy, including combined arms, flanking, fortifications, and psychological warfare. It is testament to the pirates' impressive resolve and power that it isn't a total slaughter from the very beginning... though about halfway through, it becomes clear this will not end well for the pirates.



* The SEARRS troops in ''Anime/{{Mai-HiME}}'': Engaging targets on an open field without any attempt to use fire support, not even snipers. Knowing that the enemy has at least one air asset but not bringing your own air cover or even sufficient anti-air. No attempts made to locate and neutralise the enemy's headquarters to force a decisive victory. The list goes on.

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* The SEARRS troops in ''Anime/{{Mai-HiME}}'': ''Anime/MaiHime'': Engaging targets on an open field without any attempt to use fire support, not even snipers. Knowing that the enemy has at least one air asset but not bringing your own air cover or even sufficient anti-air. No attempts made to locate and neutralise the enemy's headquarters to force a decisive victory. The list goes on.
7th Jan '16 11:00:34 AM nombretomado
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* In ''SoraNoWoto'', putting your infantry ''right in front of your tanks'' (even if they are lumbering {{SpiderTank}}s) and making them charge at each other in the nearest plain lampshades that even military tactics were lost in the Apocalypse.

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* In ''SoraNoWoto'', ''Anime/SoundOfTheSky'', putting your infantry ''right in front of your tanks'' (even if they are lumbering {{SpiderTank}}s) and making them charge at each other in the nearest plain lampshades that even military tactics were lost in the Apocalypse.
20th Aug '15 3:00:59 AM SeptimusHeap
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* In Mockingjay, [[spoiler: Beetee]] discusses videos of how people in the past had all sorts of nifty military weapons, such as jet planes and satellite lasers. Hey, what about those guns that fire really long distances... you know, artillery? That and laying siege to Capitol would have been a better option than sending in waves of men and women to just die needlessly. This is basically the only reason why any notable characters die.
* ''CarrerasLegions'' has some absolutely horrendous tactics, especially in [[TheSpartanWay the training for the titular Legion]]. Among the insanity is Carrera ordering [=NCOs=] to have recruits toss live grenades on their first time on the grenade-throwing range (a tremendous no-no in every single competent military in the world) and even ordering them to "cook" the grenades by counting to three before throwing them, which have four-to-five second fuses. (In reality, this would almost certainly result in the grenade exploding in your hand or face while throwing). He then improvises a tank firing range by having recruits drive out into a bay with power boats and drag targets behind them, and as an afterthought tells the civilian shipping using the bay to clear out. Coupled with other brutal training methods, the Legion ends up suffering 1.5% attrition before it even enters combat, which is a higher loss rate than any First World nation has ever suffered in any ''war'' after World War II, let alone during ''peacetime''. What makes this particularly absurd is that the author, Tom Kratman, was a Lieutenant Colonel in the US Army, and thus would by all rights actually know how terrible this is, but the book portrays this lunatic casualty rate as ''desirable''.

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* In Mockingjay, ''[[Literature/TheHungerGames Mockingjay]]'', [[spoiler: Beetee]] discusses videos of how people in the past had all sorts of nifty military weapons, such as jet planes and satellite lasers. Hey, what about those guns that fire really long distances... you know, artillery? That and laying siege to Capitol would have been a better option than sending in waves of men and women to just die needlessly. This is basically the only reason why any notable characters die.
* ''CarrerasLegions'' ''Literature/CarrerasLegions'' has some absolutely horrendous tactics, especially in [[TheSpartanWay the training for the titular Legion]]. Among the insanity is Carrera ordering [=NCOs=] to have recruits toss live grenades on their first time on the grenade-throwing range (a tremendous no-no in every single competent military in the world) and even ordering them to "cook" the grenades by counting to three before throwing them, which have four-to-five second fuses. (In reality, this would almost certainly result in the grenade exploding in your hand or face while throwing). He then improvises a tank firing range by having recruits drive out into a bay with power boats and drag targets behind them, and as an afterthought tells the civilian shipping using the bay to clear out. Coupled with other brutal training methods, the Legion ends up suffering 1.5% attrition before it even enters combat, which is a higher loss rate than any First World nation has ever suffered in any ''war'' after World War II, let alone during ''peacetime''. What makes this particularly absurd is that the author, Tom Kratman, was a Lieutenant Colonel in the US Army, and thus would by all rights actually know how terrible this is, but the book portrays this lunatic casualty rate as ''desirable''.
27th Jul '15 5:17:21 AM SeptimusHeap
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1st Jun '15 11:20:07 AM SeptimusHeap
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* The humans in ''BlueGender'' seem to have studied all possible battle tactics in order to do ''the exact opposite''. To sum it up, despite their claim that standard weapons are useless against the Blue, they run around packing weapons that are so pitifully weak compared to what they ''could'' be packing, that they frankly deserve to die for their stupidity.

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* The humans in ''BlueGender'' ''Anime/BlueGender'' seem to have studied all possible battle tactics in order to do ''the exact opposite''. To sum it up, despite their claim that standard weapons are useless against the Blue, they run around packing weapons that are so pitifully weak compared to what they ''could'' be packing, that they frankly deserve to die for their stupidity.
19th May '15 10:47:50 PM SeptimusHeap
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* The famous, glorious, bloody waste of human life known to posterity as the Charge of the Light Brigade just about edges in - the order sent to the Light Brigade was to "charge the guns"; perfectly reasonable, except the officer in charge of the LB couldn't see the guns the order referred to, assumed it was the ones they ''could'' see, and got pretty much all of them killed. It's also explained in all it's gloriousness [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxPsRx_rP7o here]].
17th May '15 1:29:01 AM SeptimusHeap
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** At the beginning of the ''HaloReach'' mission "Tip of the Spear," the humans are seen attacking the Covenant with a huge crowd of Warthogs and a few Scorpions. Apparently they all forgot that the Warthog is a recon vehicle, and the tanks should go first. This also presumes they ''had'' more than a few Scorpions. After several days of Convenant invasion, when you gather together a bunch of stragglers, survivors, and the lost and make them into a counterattack, you're not going to have everything up to the standard TO&E. And Warthogs are a lot more likely to survive the initial 'run away and hide in the boonies' phase than Scorpions.

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** At the beginning of the ''HaloReach'' ''VideoGame/HaloReach'' mission "Tip of the Spear," the humans are seen attacking the Covenant with a huge crowd of Warthogs and a few Scorpions. Apparently they all forgot that the Warthog is a recon vehicle, and the tanks should go first. This also presumes they ''had'' more than a few Scorpions. After several days of Convenant invasion, when you gather together a bunch of stragglers, survivors, and the lost and make them into a counterattack, you're not going to have everything up to the standard TO&E. And Warthogs are a lot more likely to survive the initial 'run away and hide in the boonies' phase than Scorpions.
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