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25th Nov '16 1:51:19 PM nombretomado
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Some critics see Hollywood Tactics as evidence of evil "Hollywood's politics" insisting that [[ArmiesAreEvil the military is always bad/wrong/evil]]. The concurrent claim that they tend "to be averted in the works of writers who actually served in the military, or even have significant military experience, including (among others) Creator/JohnRingo, DavidDrake, Tom Clancy, and Creator/RobertAHeinlein", which however sees these authors' pro-military if not militaristic bent as more important than their actual military experience (Heinlein served five years in the peacetime U. S. Navy before having to retire due to tuberculosis, Clancy did not serve at all due to bad eyesight). It should be noted, that military experience does not guarantee immunity from proposing terrible tactics and strategies, as for instance a lot of the literature produced about "the coming war" by retired and active military men before World War I demonstrates. And in real life even the best generals can use self-defeating tactics on an off day, even Robert E. Lee had his Pickett's Charge.

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Some critics see Hollywood Tactics as evidence of evil "Hollywood's politics" insisting that [[ArmiesAreEvil the military is always bad/wrong/evil]]. The concurrent claim that they tend "to be averted in the works of writers who actually served in the military, or even have significant military experience, including (among others) Creator/JohnRingo, DavidDrake, Creator/DavidDrake, Tom Clancy, and Creator/RobertAHeinlein", which however sees these authors' pro-military if not militaristic bent as more important than their actual military experience (Heinlein served five years in the peacetime U. S. Navy before having to retire due to tuberculosis, Clancy did not serve at all due to bad eyesight). It should be noted, that military experience does not guarantee immunity from proposing terrible tactics and strategies, as for instance a lot of the literature produced about "the coming war" by retired and active military men before World War I demonstrates. And in real life even the best generals can use self-defeating tactics on an off day, even Robert E. Lee had his Pickett's Charge.
15th Oct '16 7:40:45 PM nombretomado
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* ''[[Series/{{V}} V: The Final Battle]]'' was full of Hollywood tactics. Some examples:

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* ''[[Series/{{V}} ''[[Series/{{V1983}} V: The Final Battle]]'' was full of Hollywood tactics. Some examples:
19th Jul '16 9:34:14 AM Willbyr
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* ''CryHavoc'' mainly averts this, but plays it straight when it comes to psychers. Their psychic powers can make them virtually bullet proof, and allow for some very hollywood-esq tactics including a one (wo)man ZergRush against dug in opponents. The rest of the time, the dogs of war and rebels use real tactics such as suppression, maneuver, misinformation, combined arms, and ambush reaction.

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* ''CryHavoc'' ''Webcomic/CryHavoc'' mainly averts this, but plays it straight when it comes to psychers. Their psychic powers can make them virtually bullet proof, and allow for some very hollywood-esq tactics including a one (wo)man ZergRush against dug in opponents. The rest of the time, the dogs of war and rebels use real tactics such as suppression, maneuver, misinformation, combined arms, and ambush reaction.



-->'''Torg:''' ''Alright'', we'll need some of the townsfolk to chop down trees, mine for gold, and set up solar collectors in case we need to build more troops. Do we have any dragons yet?
-->'''Val:''' Why are the cute ones always insane?

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-->'''Torg:''' ''Alright'', we'll need some of the townsfolk to chop down trees, mine for gold, and set up solar collectors in case we need to build more troops. Do we have any dragons yet?
-->'''Val:'''
yet?\\
'''Val:'''
Why are the cute ones always insane?



* ''GIJoe''. Just to start, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN034sBeF4c the opening for the movie]] has COBRA's apparent goal to be destroying the Statue of Liberty. After somehow getting an airship right above it, instead of using a missile or dropping some bombs, they send hundreds of paratroopers (who would be falling all over each other if they're that close) and a couple air vehicles down to set one time bomb at the base of it and they have ships for backup which didn't even try to do anything until they were within about twenty feet of the island and got blown up by Joe fighter planes.

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* ''GIJoe''.''WesternAnimation/GIJoe''. Just to start, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN034sBeF4c the opening for the movie]] has COBRA's apparent goal to be destroying the Statue of Liberty. After somehow getting an airship right above it, instead of using a missile or dropping some bombs, they send hundreds of paratroopers (who would be falling all over each other if they're that close) and a couple air vehicles down to set one time bomb at the base of it and they have ships for backup which didn't even try to do anything until they were within about twenty feet of the island and got blown up by Joe fighter planes.
17th Jul '16 8:05:25 AM nombretomado
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** In the book ''Discworld/{{Pyramids}}'' the Tsortean and Agatean armies are lining up to face each other, and both sides build a load of wooden horses and hide in them.

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** In the book ''Discworld/{{Pyramids}}'' the Tsortean and Agatean Ephebian armies are lining up to face each other, and both sides build a load of wooden horses and hide in them.
8th Jul '16 8:51:47 PM nombretomado
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->''It is magnificent, but it is not war. It is madness.''

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->''It ->''"It is magnificent, but it is not war. It is madness.''"''
8th Jul '16 8:51:31 PM nombretomado
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* ''[[Series/BabylonFive Babylon 5: The Legend of the Rangers]]''. "We do not retreat, whatever the reason." A rather stupid tactic for a group known as 'Rangers', whose job often involves [[BringNewsBack bringing back information]] on mysterious aliens of [[OutsideContextVillain terrifying technological superiority]].

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* ''[[Series/BabylonFive Babylon 5: The Legend of the Rangers]]''. "We do not retreat, whatever the reason." A rather stupid tactic for a group known as 'Rangers', whose job often involves [[BringNewsBack bringing back information]] on mysterious aliens of [[OutsideContextVillain [[TechnologicallyAdvancedFoe terrifying technological superiority]].
27th Jun '16 2:35:56 AM SeptimusHeap
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* In space battles ([[AcrophobicBird or using aircraft]]), [[{{Two-DSpace}} failing to consider the third dimension]].

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* In space battles ([[AcrophobicBird or using aircraft]]), [[{{Two-DSpace}} [[TwoDSpace failing to consider the third dimension]].
18th Apr '16 4:47:06 AM SeptimusHeap
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* The {{Novelization}} of ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquer: Tiberium Wars'' has this in ''spades''. Among the most {{egregious}} examples of tactics in the book is a scene where a [[HumongousMecha Juggernaut artillery walker]] attacks a Nod machinegun emplacement. Does it use its cannons to bombard it from a distance as artillery emplacements are ''supposed'' to? No. Does it blast the emplacement directly with its cannons? Nope. It ''charges'' the emplacement and ''steps on it.'' Aside from the obvious stupidity of doing that, what kind of idiotic commander ''puts his artillery close enough to the enemy that it can '''step''' on their gun emplacements?'' Especially when the Juggernaut only has legs because it is supposed to stay out of the line of fire in the first place? (We have a trope page for the FixFic ''FanFic/TiberiumWars'', by the way.)

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* The {{Novelization}} of ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquer: Tiberium Wars'' ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquerTiberiumWars'' has this in ''spades''. Among the most {{egregious}} examples of tactics in the book is a scene where a [[HumongousMecha Juggernaut artillery walker]] attacks a Nod machinegun emplacement. Does it use its cannons to bombard it from a distance as artillery emplacements are ''supposed'' to? No. Does it blast the emplacement directly with its cannons? Nope. It ''charges'' the emplacement and ''steps on it.'' Aside from the obvious stupidity of doing that, what kind of idiotic commander ''puts his artillery close enough to the enemy that it can '''step''' on their gun emplacements?'' Especially when the Juggernaut only has legs because it is supposed to stay out of the line of fire in the first place? (We have a trope page for the FixFic ''FanFic/TiberiumWars'', by the way.)
16th Apr '16 10:58:42 AM nombretomado
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* The battle tactics used in ''TheMalazanBookOfTheFallen'' series aren't necessarily bad; they'd probably work pretty well if used by RealLife generals during ancient times. However, in their world, magic exists, and it can be just as powerful, if not more powerful, than any modern weaponry, something which most generals seem completely unprepared for. Most of the time, marching their soldiers across the countryside in large formations just makes them sitting ducks for High Mages, who can kill hundreds with a single sorcerous blast.
* The ''{{Starfist}}'' series contains several blatant examples, particularly with the issue regarding uncombined arms.

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* The battle tactics used in ''TheMalazanBookOfTheFallen'' ''Literature/TheMalazanBookOfTheFallen'' series aren't necessarily bad; they'd probably work pretty well if used by RealLife generals during ancient times. However, in their world, magic exists, and it can be just as powerful, if not more powerful, than any modern weaponry, something which most generals seem completely unprepared for. Most of the time, marching their soldiers across the countryside in large formations just makes them sitting ducks for High Mages, who can kill hundreds with a single sorcerous blast.
* The ''{{Starfist}}'' ''Literature/{{Starfist}}'' series contains several blatant examples, particularly with the issue regarding uncombined arms.
5th Mar '16 12:27:07 AM SeptimusHeap
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* Both ''StarWarsCloneWars'' and ''StarWarsTheCloneWars'' series display countless, repeated examples of this trope from the Jedi and the Republic in general, despite A) the clones being outnumbered by several orders of magnitude by the Separatist droid army (the latter manufactured in factories across the galaxy while the clones are only produced in a few small cities on one planet), and B) the Republic on the brink of winning the war by the time of ''RevengeOfTheSith'', pushing the Separatists to a handful of Outer Rim fortresses. This is despite the clones being allergic to cover and commonly meeting the droids (entirely viable) ZergRush tactics with their own, having minimal-to-non-existant armoured or aerial/orbital support, and generally being utterly useless unless a Jedi is around to help them (''especially'' in the second series). The few examples of competency, for example the unbelievably badass ARC troopers in the first series, just rub salt in the wound. The largest example of this is displayed in the first few minutes of the pilot film. Despite the clones having ample cover and artillery support to hold off the large amount of incoming droids, once Anakin springs his 'ambush' (a staggering ''5 soldiers''), the clones immediately jump out of cover and charge the enemy droids head-on. They predictably get slaughtered.

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* Both ''StarWarsCloneWars'' ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsCloneWars'' and ''StarWarsTheCloneWars'' ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' series display countless, repeated examples of this trope from the Jedi and the Republic in general, despite A) the clones being outnumbered by several orders of magnitude by the Separatist droid army (the latter manufactured in factories across the galaxy while the clones are only produced in a few small cities on one planet), and B) the Republic on the brink of winning the war by the time of ''RevengeOfTheSith'', pushing the Separatists to a handful of Outer Rim fortresses. This is despite the clones being allergic to cover and commonly meeting the droids (entirely viable) ZergRush tactics with their own, having minimal-to-non-existant armoured or aerial/orbital support, and generally being utterly useless unless a Jedi is around to help them (''especially'' in the second series). The few examples of competency, for example the unbelievably badass ARC troopers in the first series, just rub salt in the wound. The largest example of this is displayed in the first few minutes of the pilot film. Despite the clones having ample cover and artillery support to hold off the large amount of incoming droids, once Anakin springs his 'ambush' (a staggering ''5 soldiers''), the clones immediately jump out of cover and charge the enemy droids head-on. They predictably get slaughtered.
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