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* Dreverhaven in the Dutch movie ''Character'' has such an antagonistic relationship with his son that said son is the prime suspect when Dreverhaven is murdered.

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Homestuck isn\'t really an example. The KND example is an example of whatever trope we have that means \"this family is evil\".


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* Every generation of the Mishima clan starting with Heihachi has this issue. Jinpachi was a nice enough guy, but Heihachi hated him anyways, so I guess you could count him too if you wabted. In fact, pretty much the entire main plot of the [[Tekken]] series exists because the Mishimas all hate fight their fathers until they turn corrupt.

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* [[{{Tekken}} Every generation of the Mishima clan starting with Heihachi has this issue. issue.]] Jinpachi was a nice enough guy, but Heihachi hated him anyways, so I guess you could count him too if you wabted. wanted. In fact, pretty much the entire main plot of the [[Tekken]] {{Tekken}} series exists because the Mishimas all hate fight their fathers until they turn corrupt.



* This happens to Tiltyu and Lex in fireEmblemJugdral, since their fathers Leptor and Langobalt are members of a conspiracy led by [[spoiler: Alvis. Or better said, by Manfloy from the Lopto Sect.]]

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* This happens to Tiltyu and Lex in fireEmblemJugdral, ''[[FireEmblemJugdral Fire Emblem: Genealogy of the Holy War]]'', since their fathers Leptor and Langobalt are members of a conspiracy led by [[spoiler: Alvis. Or better said, by Manfloy from the Lopto Sect.]]



* Most of the kids interact with their guardians in this fashion in the {{MS Paint Adventures}} series ''{{Homestuck}}''.



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* The archnemesis of the ''KidsNextDoor'' is known as "Father."
** The EvilerThanThou BigBad of TheMovie is Father's father [[EvilOldFolks Grandfather]].



* [[spoiler: Kratos]] from TalesOfSymphonia is this to the main character. Unlike Darth Vader, it results in [[spoiler: a much more successful HeelFaceTurn]].

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* [[spoiler: Kratos]] Kratos Aurion]] from TalesOfSymphonia is this to the main character. Unlike Darth Vader, it results in [[spoiler: a much more successful HeelFaceTurn]].



** [[spoiler:Miang, revealed to be the mother of]] ''[[spoiler:all humanity,]]'' [[spoiler:is also the story's BigBad. And as a BodySurfer who can awaken in any human woman, one of Miang's incarnations was Fei's own mother Karen. Fei and Karen were not technically adversaries, but Miang's consciousness was in control most of the time. Karen resurfaced in the end to be a HeroicSacrifice to save young Fei's life. Miang simply surfed to another new body somewhere else in the world.]]
** [[spoiler:Fei's father got some of this too. Grahf, a mysterious and dark adversary of Fei for most of the game, is not only actually]] ''[[spoiler:himself]]'' [[spoiler:from a previous life incarnation who survives as a BodySurfer, but it's Fei's own father Kahn who turns out to have been Grahf's host for years already. Though Kahn and Fei are also not technically adversaries, Kahn does all he can just to stay in control of his own body, though Kahn appeared to have even more periods of useful self-control than Karen did.]]

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** [[spoiler:Miang, revealed to be the mother of]] ''[[spoiler:all humanity,]]'' [[spoiler:is also the story's BigBad. And as a BodySurfer {{BodySurf}}er who can awaken in any human woman, one of Miang's incarnations was Fei's own mother Karen. Fei and Karen were not technically adversaries, but Miang's consciousness was in control most of the time. Karen resurfaced in the end to be a HeroicSacrifice to save young Fei's life. Miang simply surfed to another new body somewhere else in the world.]]
** [[spoiler:Fei's father got some of this too. Grahf, a mysterious and dark adversary of Fei for most of the game, is not only actually]] ''[[spoiler:himself]]'' [[spoiler:from a previous life incarnation who survives as a BodySurfer, {{BodySurf}}er, but it's Fei's own father Kahn who turns out to have been Grahf's host for years already. Though Kahn and Fei are also not technically adversaries, Kahn does all he can just to stay in control of his own body, though Kahn appeared to have even more periods of useful self-control than Karen did.]]



* [[spoiler: Nergal]] is this for [[spoiler: Ninian and Nils]] in fireEmblemElibe.

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* [[spoiler: Nergal]] is this for [[spoiler: Ninian and Nils]] in fireEmblemElibe.''[[FireEmblemElibe Fire Emblem: Blazing Sword]]''.

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* This happens to Tiltyu and Lex in fireEmblemJugdral, since their fathers Leptor and Langobalt are members of a conspiracy led by [[spoiler: Alvis. Or better said, by Manfloy from the Lopto Sect.]]


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* [[spoiler: Nergal]] is this for [[spoiler: Ninian and Nils]] in fireEmblemElibe.
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** Actually, he was performing tests on himself originally. And some of it was passed on genetically when Bruce was conceived.
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* In ''{{Psychonauts}}'', the final boss of Raz and [[spoiler:Coach Oleander]]'s minds are their grotesque antagonistic fathers. [[spoiler:In Raz's case, [[JustForPun it's all in his head]].]]

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* In ''{{Psychonauts}}'', the final boss of Raz and [[spoiler:Coach Oleander]]'s minds are their grotesque antagonistic fathers. [[spoiler:In In Raz's case, [[JustForPun [[spoiler:[[JustForPun it's all in his head]].]]head]]--his dad shows up and [[PapaWolf helps him defeat the monster]]]].




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* In ''OrderOfTheStick,'' Tarquin ''wants'' this for himself and [[MadScientistsBeautifulDaughter Elan]] in a bizarre way. He clearly cares about his son, but since Elan won't ignore his atrocities GenreSavvy Tarquin figures that them eventually fighting to the death will at least make an excellent story that could have them live forever in legends. Elan is...[[HeroicBSOD somewhat less keen on this plan]].



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* Inverted with ''SpiderMan''. His ArchEnemy, the Green Goblin, is not this, but a major development of the last decade or so is that he more or less imagines he is, seeing Peter- a smart, brave, capable self-made man- as a better son than his own child, Harry. On an older level, Peter's search for a father figure is one of the underlying themes of the comic, and the idea that Osborn- as well as other enemies like Doctor Octopus- are twisted inversions of this has been around for a while.

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* Inverted with ''SpiderMan''.''{{Spider-Man}}''. His ArchEnemy, the Green Goblin, is not this, but a major development of the last decade or so is that he more or less imagines he is, seeing Peter- a smart, brave, capable self-made man- as a better son than his own child, Harry. On an older level, Peter's search for a father figure is one of the underlying themes of the comic, and the idea that Osborn- as well as other enemies like Doctor Octopus- are twisted inversions of this has been around for a while.
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** Played straight and then suberted in the ''Black Glove'' story arc, where it is implied that the titular villain is actually Bruce's dad Thomas, who was really an evil psychopath. Neither allegation turns out to be true, though the real Black Glove, one [[CompleteMonster Doctor Simon Hurt]], nonetheless claims to be Thomas Wayne to both Bruce and Alfred's face, even though both men obviously knew he was'nt. It is implied that Hurt is actually {{Satan}} himself, though for a moment Batman accuses him of being an actor who used to impersonate his father, which would make this yet another inversion. Hurt denies this and claimed to have killed said actor and ''wore his skin'' to a party. So it's a triple subversion, with Hurt being a guy pretending to be a guy who pretended to be Bruce Waynes dad, ''and'' pretending to be Bruce's Wayne's dad. Phew!

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** Played straight and then suberted subverted in the ''Black Glove'' story arc, where it is implied that the titular villain is actually Bruce's dad Thomas, who was really an evil psychopath. Neither allegation turns out to be true, though the real Black Glove, one [[CompleteMonster Doctor Simon Hurt]], nonetheless claims to be Thomas Wayne to both Bruce and Alfred's face, even though both men obviously knew he was'nt. It is implied that Hurt is actually {{Satan}} himself, though for a moment Batman accuses him of being an actor who used to impersonate his father, which would make this yet another inversion. Hurt denies this and claimed to have killed said actor and ''wore his skin'' to a party. So it's a triple subversion, with Hurt being a guy pretending to be a guy who pretended to be Bruce Waynes dad, ''and'' pretending to be Bruce's Wayne's dad. Phew!
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*** In some versions of myth he did not trapped and "was not in the mood" but rather hadn't stopped it in the first place.
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*** ''Return of Bruce Wayne'' suggests that Hurt ''is'' Dr Thomas Wayne. Just not ''[[IdenticalGrandson that]]'' Dr Thomas Wayne...
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* Seriously, how on Earth is Darth Vader not already on this list?

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*** This is despite the fact that the closest relative of his was either Zeus' great-nephew or his second cousin (Achilles' mother was Thetis the sea nymph, whose father was either Poseidon, Zeus' brother, or Oceanus, Zeus' uncle). Although most of the heroes did have some percentage of divine blood, it was really no more than just about any prominent person would have.
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* In [[LessThanThreeComics LessThanThreeComics]]' Brat Pack, Firestorm's father abused him through his entire life, but the rest of the world only knows him as Napalm, one of America's greatest superheroes.



* In [[LessThanThreeComics LessThanThreeComics]]' Brat Pack, Firestorm's father abused him through his entire life, but the rest of the world only knows him as Napalm, one of America's greatest superheroes.

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* In [[LessThanThreeComics LessThanThreeComics]]' Brat Pack, Firestorm's father abused him through his entire life, but the rest of the world only knows him as Napalm, one of America's greatest superheroes.

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* In [[LessThanThreeComics LessThanThreeComics]]' Brat Pack, Firestorm's father abused him through his entire life, but the rest of the world only knows him as Napalm, one of America's greatest superheroes.
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* In [[ElInternado]], Iván's father is the bad guy the main characters know the best, because he is the one who delivers the threats [[spoiler:and the medicines]].
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* In I Am A Genius of Unspeakable Evil and I Want to Be Your Class President, Oliver Watson describes his father as his "archnemesis (a.k.a. Daddy)".
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* [[UruseiYatsura Ryuunosuke's]] father is quite insistent on [[BerserkButton treating the female Ryuunosuke like a man]], down to [[WouldHitAGirl violent fisticuffs and paralyzing poisons]] on a regular basis. Ryuunosuke ''hates'' her father. Then again, it's PlayedForLaughs.

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* [[UruseiYatsura Ryuunosuke's]] father is quite insistent on [[BerserkButton treating the female Ryuunosuke like a man]], down to [[WouldHitAGirl violent fisticuffs and paralyzing poisons]] on a regular basis. Her father would only let her act feminine pretty much over his dead body. Ryuunosuke ''hates'' her father. Then again, it's PlayedForLaughs.
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* [[UruseiYatsura Ryuunosuke's]] father is quite insistent on [[BerserkButton treating the female Ryuunosuke like a man]], down to [[WouldHitAGirl violent fisticuffs and paralyzing poisons]] on a regular basis. Ryuunosuke ''hates'' her father. Then again, it's PlayedForLaughs.
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* Darth Vader, of course. [[ItWasHisSled Hope I didn't]] [[YouShouldKnowThisAlready just spoil]] ''TheEmpireStrikesBack'' [[LukeIAmYourFather for anybody]].

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* [[StarWars Darth Vader, of course. [[ItWasHisSled Hope I didn't]] [[YouShouldKnowThisAlready just spoil]] ''TheEmpireStrikesBack'' [[LukeIAmYourFather for anybody]].
Vader]] is an archetypical example.
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* In JadeEmpire, [[spoiler: not only is Master Li your character's father figure, it's also possible to find out that he's Dawn Star's father. In a subversion, absolutely nothing changes with his reactions to Dawn Star.]]
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* In Blazblue, one of the main villains of the game is Carl's father and personal antagonist Relius Clover, who turned Carl's sister into the machine known as Nirvana. [[spoiler: Relius used the knowledge from that experiment to make a new and improved version of Nirvana, harvesting Carl's mother in the process. When Carl finally finds and confronts him in Continuum Shift's story mode, Relius [[OffingTheOffspring tries to kill him]] for [[CallingTheOldManOut calling him out]]]]. Needless to say, [[UnderStatement they aren't exactly on good terms]].

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* In Blazblue, BlazBlue, one of the main villains of the game is Carl's father and personal antagonist Relius Clover, who turned Carl's sister into the machine known as Nirvana. [[spoiler: Relius used the knowledge from that experiment to make a new and improved version of Nirvana, harvesting Carl's mother in the process. When Carl finally finds and confronts him in Continuum Shift's story mode, Relius [[OffingTheOffspring tries to kill him]] for [[CallingTheOldManOut calling him out]]]]. Needless to say, [[UnderStatement they aren't exactly on good terms]].
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* Seriously, how on Earth is Darth Vader not already on this list?
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** Fear of the new generation overthrowing the old one is a major running theme in Greek mythology, so there are a lot of examples of fathers becoming enemies of their children.

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** Fear of the new generation overthrowing the old one is a major running theme in Greek mythology, so there are a lot of examples of fathers becoming enemies of their children.
children. In some tellings of the story, the entire Trojan War was a BatmanGambit by Zeus, who wanted to [[Chessmaster find a way to kill off his demigod children]] so they wouldn't overthrow him.
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* In Blazblue, one of the main villains of the game is Carl's father and personal antagonist Relius Clover, who turned Carl's sister into the machine known as Nirvana. [[spoiler: Relius used the knowledge from that experiment to make a new and improved version of Nirvana, harvesting Carl's mother in the process. When Carl finally finds and confronts him in Continuum Shift's story mode, Relius [[OffingTheOffspring tries to kill him]] for [[CallingTheOldManOut calling him out]]]]. Needless to say, [[UnderStatement they aren't exactly on good terms]].
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* Lorenzo Leonelli from ''HeatGuyJ''. When he wasn't [[ParentalNeglect leaving Clair alone for extended periods of time]], he was being physically and emotionally (and many believe sexually) abusive towards [[WellDoneSonGuy Clair]]. [[spoiler: This went on for years, causing Clair to go insane and [[TheDogBitesBack eventually kill him.]]]]

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* Lorenzo Leonelli from ''HeatGuyJ''. When he wasn't [[ParentalNeglect leaving Clair alone for extended periods of time]], he was being physically and emotionally (and [[{{Fanon}} many believe believe]] sexually) abusive towards [[WellDoneSonGuy Clair]]. [[spoiler: This went on for years, causing Clair to go insane and [[TheDogBitesBack eventually kill him.]]]]
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** Played straight and then suberted in the ''Black Glove'' story arc, where it is implied that the titular villain is actually Bruce's dad Thomas, who was really an evil psychopath. Neither allegation turns out to be true, though the real Black Glove, one [[CompeleteMonster Doctor Simon Hurt]], nonetheless claims to be Thomas Wayne to both Bruce and Alfred's face, even though both men obviously knew he was'nt. It is implied that Hurt is actually {{Satan}} himself, though for a moment Batman accuses him of being an actor who used to impersonate his father, which would make this yet another inversion. Hurt denies this and claimed to have killed said actor and ''wore his skin'' to a party. So it's a triple subversion, with Hurt being a guy pretending to be a guy who pretended to be Bruce Waynes dad, ''and'' pretending to be Bruce's Wayne's dad. Phew!

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** Played straight and then suberted in the ''Black Glove'' story arc, where it is implied that the titular villain is actually Bruce's dad Thomas, who was really an evil psychopath. Neither allegation turns out to be true, though the real Black Glove, one [[CompeleteMonster [[CompleteMonster Doctor Simon Hurt]], nonetheless claims to be Thomas Wayne to both Bruce and Alfred's face, even though both men obviously knew he was'nt. It is implied that Hurt is actually {{Satan}} himself, though for a moment Batman accuses him of being an actor who used to impersonate his father, which would make this yet another inversion. Hurt denies this and claimed to have killed said actor and ''wore his skin'' to a party. So it's a triple subversion, with Hurt being a guy pretending to be a guy who pretended to be Bruce Waynes dad, ''and'' pretending to be Bruce's Wayne's dad. Phew!
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* Inverted with ''SpiderMan''. His ArchEnemy, the Green Goblin, is not this, but a major development of the last decade or so is that he more or less imagines he is, seeing Peter- a smart, brave, capable self-made man- as a better son than his own child, Harry. On an older level, Peter's search for a father figure is one of the underlying themes of the comic, and the idea that Osborn- as well as other enemies like Doctor Octopus- are twisted inversions of this has been around for a while.
* A similar situation exists between ''{{Batman}}'' and Ra's Al Ghul. He, too, sees Bruce almost like the son he never had, and he actually plans on making him both his heir and his son-in-law by marrying him to his daughter Talia, something both Bruce and Talia are seriously tempted to do.
** Played straight and then suberted in the ''Black Glove'' story arc, where it is implied that the titular villain is actually Bruce's dad Thomas, who was really an evil psychopath. Neither allegation turns out to be true, though the real Black Glove, one [[CompeleteMonster Doctor Simon Hurt]], nonetheless claims to be Thomas Wayne to both Bruce and Alfred's face, even though both men obviously knew he was'nt. It is implied that Hurt is actually {{Satan}} himself, though for a moment Batman accuses him of being an actor who used to impersonate his father, which would make this yet another inversion. Hurt denies this and claimed to have killed said actor and ''wore his skin'' to a party. So it's a triple subversion, with Hurt being a guy pretending to be a guy who pretended to be Bruce Waynes dad, ''and'' pretending to be Bruce's Wayne's dad. Phew!
* In ''{{Fables}}'', the Advesary is revealed to be [[spoiler:Geppeto]], thereby making him [[spoiler: Pinnochio's]] ArchnemesisDad.

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* In ''BakiTheGrappler'', Baki's father is the BigBad right from the start.
* Th relationship between [[NeonGenesisEvangelion Shinji and Gendo Ikari]] is... [[{{Understatement}} complicated]].
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** [[spoiler:Miang, revealed to be the mother of]] ''[[spoiler:all humanity,]]'' [[spoiler:is also the story's BigBad.]]
** [[spoiler:Grahf, a mysterious and dark adversary of Fei for most of the game, is not only actually]] ''[[spoiler:himself]]'' [[spoiler:from a previous life incarnation who survives as a BodySurfer, but it's Fei's own father Kahn who turns out to have been Grahf's host for years already. Though Kahn and Fei are not technically adversaries, Kahn does all he can just to stay in control of his own body.]]

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** [[spoiler:Miang, revealed to be the mother of]] ''[[spoiler:all humanity,]]'' [[spoiler:is also the story's BigBad. And as a BodySurfer who can awaken in any human woman, one of Miang's incarnations was Fei's own mother Karen. Fei and Karen were not technically adversaries, but Miang's consciousness was in control most of the time. Karen resurfaced in the end to be a HeroicSacrifice to save young Fei's life. Miang simply surfed to another new body somewhere else in the world.]]
** [[spoiler:Grahf, [[spoiler:Fei's father got some of this too. Grahf, a mysterious and dark adversary of Fei for most of the game, is not only actually]] ''[[spoiler:himself]]'' [[spoiler:from a previous life incarnation who survives as a BodySurfer, but it's Fei's own father Kahn who turns out to have been Grahf's host for years already. Though Kahn and Fei are also not technically adversaries, Kahn does all he can just to stay in control of his own body.body, though Kahn appeared to have even more periods of useful self-control than Karen did.]]
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** [[spoiler:Grahf, a mysterious and dark adversary of Fei for most of the game, is not only actually]] ''[[spoiler:himself]]'' [[spoiler:from a previous life incarnation who survives as a BodySurfer, but it's Fei's own father Kahn who turns out to have been Grahf's host for years already. Though Kahn and Fei are not technically adversaries, Kahn does all he can just to stay in control of his own body.]]
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* {{Xenogears}} has a few of these.
** [[spoiler:Miang, revealed to be the mother of]] ''[[spoiler:all humanity,]]'' [[spoiler:is also the story's BigBad.]]
** [[spoiler:Rico's archnemesis Kaiser Sigmund is actually his father, and]] ''[[spoiler:neither of them knew they were related.]]''

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