History Main / AppealToNature

8th Aug '16 6:35:01 AM Morgenthaler
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* In UsefulNotes/NaziGermany, propaganda glorified the "natural order" which, according to the Nazis, was that the strong should dominate the weak and that the "master race" should subjugate the "inferior" races. This worldview is illustrated in ''Disney/EducationForDeath'', in which the Nazi teacher uses the story of a fox devouring a rabbit to teach students the "lesson" that the weak ''should'' perish and the strong ''should'' kill and devour them. This argument preceded the Nazis by decades: social Darwinists used the argument to justify many horrible things, like "scientific" racism and eugenics. Indeed, it even preceded Darwinism [[http://scienceblogs.com/primatediaries/2010/01/05/deconstructing-social-darwinis/ itself.]] The Nazis actually didn't justify themselves based on Darwinism either (Darwin's works were among those banned by the [[https://coelsblog.wordpress.com/2011/11/08/nazi-racial-ideology-was-religious-creationist-and-opposed-to-darwinism/ regime).]]

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* In UsefulNotes/NaziGermany, propaganda glorified the "natural order" which, according to the Nazis, was that the strong should dominate the weak and that the "master race" should subjugate the "inferior" races. This worldview is illustrated in ''Disney/EducationForDeath'', in which the Nazi teacher uses the story of a fox devouring a rabbit to teach students the "lesson" that the weak ''should'' perish and the strong ''should'' kill and devour them. This argument preceded the Nazis by decades: social Darwinists used the argument to justify many horrible things, like "scientific" racism and eugenics. Indeed, it even preceded Darwinism [[http://scienceblogs.com/primatediaries/2010/01/05/deconstructing-social-darwinis/ itself.]] The argument that MightMakesRight is the natural order of things goes back ''millennia''. The Nazis actually didn't justify themselves based on Darwinism either (Darwin's works were among those banned by the [[https://coelsblog.wordpress.com/2011/11/08/nazi-racial-ideology-was-religious-creationist-and-opposed-to-darwinism/ regime).]]
3rd Aug '16 10:04:54 AM Kalaong
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* In ''Film/JurassicPark'', Malcolm states that bringing back dinosaurs is bad partly because that's going against natural selection and humans shouldn't oppose nature.

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* In ''Film/JurassicPark'', Malcolm states that bringing back dinosaurs is bad partly because that's going against natural selection selection. Notably, he says this is not for any moral reason, but because they haven't been part of Earth's environment for aeons, and humans shouldn't oppose nature.resurrecting them might be akin to turning rabbits loose in Australia.
3rd Jun '16 8:27:13 PM Fireblood
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* The overuse and misuse of antibiotics, pesticides, and herbicides (and the resulting resistance and health and environmental effects) have led quite a few people to denouncing ''all'' use of them per the appeal to nature, right down to claiming a ConspiracyTheory that any or all of the above are part of a DepopulationBomb conspiracy. The problem is that while overuse and misuse needs to stop, to obliterate these products entirely (or allowing their continuing overuse and misuse to do just that by creating 100% resistance) ''will'' lead to TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. Especially in regard to antibiotics -- these are the medications that turned such diseases as pneumonia, syphilis, and bubonic plague from terminal pandemic illnesses into quickly curable illnesses. In the same way, while many modern pesticides and their manufacture are bad for the environment, they are also a vital part in the control of disease-spreading, food-ruining, or venomous insect pests, especially for people and situations where setting up more natural methods of barriers and predators would be problematic. Ironically, organic farmers ''also'' use pesticides (made of "natural" toxins) which can be ''more'' harmful than synthetic ones since they are subject to far less testing. Additionally organic farming requires far more land use, meaning it could not possibly feed all the people necessary in today's world. The same arguments also apply to GMOs.

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* The overuse and misuse of antibiotics, pesticides, and herbicides (and the resulting resistance and health and environmental effects) have led quite a few people to denouncing ''all'' use of them per the appeal to nature, right down to claiming a ConspiracyTheory that any or all of the above are part of a DepopulationBomb conspiracy. The problem is that while overuse and misuse needs to stop, to obliterate these products entirely (or allowing their continuing overuse and misuse to do just that by creating 100% resistance) ''will'' lead to TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. Especially in regard to antibiotics -- these are the medications that turned such diseases as pneumonia, syphilis, and bubonic plague from terminal pandemic illnesses into quickly curable illnesses. In the same way, while many modern pesticides and their manufacture are bad for the environment, they are also a vital part in the control of disease-spreading, food-ruining, or venomous insect pests, especially for people and situations where setting up more natural methods of barriers and predators would be problematic. Ironically, organic farmers ''also'' use pesticides (made of "natural" toxins) which can be ''more'' harmful than synthetic ones since they are subject to far less testing. Additionally organic farming requires far more land use, meaning it could not possibly feed all the people necessary in today's world. The same arguments also apply to GMOs.[=GMO=]s.
11th May '16 3:25:24 PM Josef5678
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* In ''Film/{{JurassicPark}}'', Malcolm states that bringing back dinosaurs is bad partly because that's going against natural selection and humans shouldn't oppose nature.

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* In ''Film/{{JurassicPark}}'', ''Film/JurassicPark'', Malcolm states that bringing back dinosaurs is bad partly because that's going against natural selection and humans shouldn't oppose nature.
11th May '16 11:49:55 AM Mr.Phorcys
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* In ''Film/{{JurassicPark}}'', Malcolm states that bringing back dinosaurs is bad partly because that's going against natural selection and humans shouldn't oppose nature.
1st May '16 3:44:03 PM Fireblood
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* The overuse and misuse of antibiotics, pesticides, and herbicides (and the resulting resistance and health and environmental effects) have led quite a few people to denouncing ''all'' use of them per the appeal to nature, right down to claiming a ConspiracyTheory that any or all of the above are part of a DepopulationBomb conspiracy. The problem is that while overuse and misuse needs to stop, to obliterate these products entirely (or allowing their continuing overuse and misuse to do just that by creating 100% resistance) ''will'' lead to TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. Especially in regard to antibiotics -- these are the medications that turned such diseases as pneumonia, syphilis, and bubonic plague from terminal pandemic illnesses into quickly curable illnesses. In the same way, while modern pesticides and their manufacture are bad for the environment and are carcinogenic and mutagenic, they are also a vital part in the control of disease-spreading, food-ruining, or venomous insect pests, especially for people and situations where setting up more natural methods of barriers and predators would be problematic.
* The idea of the superior "NobleSavage" has popped up repeatedly for centuries. The supposed moral superiority of the primitive person or beasts over civilized man has been a repeated assertion of certain philosophical romanticists such as Rousseau. Of course, since NatureIsNotNice, a lot of these savage cultures have some 25% of their men dying in war, 20-50% of children failing to survive their childhood, and widespread polygamy (not very popular with these romanticists) in part as a consequence of the imbalance in the sexes resulting from this high mortality rate; not exactly what most of these philosophers would deem desirable outcomes for our cultures. Lampshaded by a December 1977 ''Magazine/{{MAD}} Magazine'' article on "The History of Medicine": "In the Stone Age, very few people had childhood illnesses. The reason for this was simple: very few people had childhoods."

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* The overuse and misuse of antibiotics, pesticides, and herbicides (and the resulting resistance and health and environmental effects) have led quite a few people to denouncing ''all'' use of them per the appeal to nature, right down to claiming a ConspiracyTheory that any or all of the above are part of a DepopulationBomb conspiracy. The problem is that while overuse and misuse needs to stop, to obliterate these products entirely (or allowing their continuing overuse and misuse to do just that by creating 100% resistance) ''will'' lead to TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. Especially in regard to antibiotics -- these are the medications that turned such diseases as pneumonia, syphilis, and bubonic plague from terminal pandemic illnesses into quickly curable illnesses. In the same way, while many modern pesticides and their manufacture are bad for the environment and are carcinogenic and mutagenic, environment, they are also a vital part in the control of disease-spreading, food-ruining, or venomous insect pests, especially for people and situations where setting up more natural methods of barriers and predators would be problematic.
problematic. Ironically, organic farmers ''also'' use pesticides (made of "natural" toxins) which can be ''more'' harmful than synthetic ones since they are subject to far less testing. Additionally organic farming requires far more land use, meaning it could not possibly feed all the people necessary in today's world. The same arguments also apply to GMOs.
* The idea of the superior "NobleSavage" has popped up repeatedly for centuries. The supposed moral superiority of the primitive person or beasts over civilized man has been a repeated assertion of certain philosophical romanticists such as Rousseau. Of course, since NatureIsNotNice, a lot of these savage "savage" cultures have some 25% of their men dying in war, 20-50% of children failing to survive their childhood, and widespread polygamy (not very popular with these romanticists) in part as a consequence of the imbalance in the sexes resulting from this high mortality rate; not exactly what most of these philosophers would deem desirable outcomes for our cultures. Lampshaded by a December 1977 ''Magazine/{{MAD}} Magazine'' article on "The History of Medicine": "In the Stone Age, very few people had childhood illnesses. The reason for this was simple: very few people had childhoods."
1st May '16 3:36:09 PM Fireblood
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Unlike the laws of physics, the laws of morality can be disobeyed, such that science cannot prove the transgression to be inherently wrong. Science only knows that murder exists, and cannot prove murder is wrong (this often comes up in questions of WhatIsEvil). Science cannot answer questions of good and evil, these being [[AboveGoodAndEvil out of its jurisdiction]]. All science can do is ''inform'' ethical decisions by telling people how various aspects of nature work (such as whether smoking tobacco is harmful and thus immoral to advertise to people one shouldn't be harming). There is a minority of philosophers that disagree, saying science can determine moral values.

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Unlike the laws of physics, the laws of morality can be disobeyed, such that science cannot prove the transgression to be inherently wrong. Science only knows that murder exists, and cannot prove murder is wrong (this often comes up in questions of WhatIsEvil). Science cannot answer questions of good and evil, these being [[AboveGoodAndEvil out of its jurisdiction]]. All science can do is ''inform'' ethical decisions by telling people how various aspects of nature work (such work, such as whether smoking tobacco is harmful and thus it may be immoral to advertise to people one shouldn't be harming). There harming (there is a minority of philosophers that disagree, saying science can determine moral values.values).
17th Apr '16 4:02:12 PM DiagorasCinna
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* ''Literature/OneNationUnderJupiter'': Diagoras invokes this, claiming homosexuality goes against evolution.
6th Apr '16 1:54:08 PM Tuckerscreator
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* In ''The Big Honey Hunt'' (the first of ''Literature/TheBerenstainBears'' series), the Bear family is out of honey. Mama Bear asks Papa Bear to buy some more, but he insists on gathering it the old fashioned way, bringing along his son to search for honey from a wild comb. In the process they anger many animals, including the beehive defending the honey they want. At the end, Papa and son settle for buying honey from the store.
24th Mar '16 2:42:44 PM margdean56
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** In another book, Ankh-Morpork's notorious CMOT Dibbler is making himself a killing off a particularly desperate dandruff sufferer selling herbal shampoo "now with more herbs!" One character notes, "throw a bunch of weeds in the pot and you've got herbs."

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** In another book, Ankh-Morpork's notorious CMOT Dibbler is making himself a killing off of a particularly desperate dandruff sufferer by selling herbal shampoo "now with more herbs!" One character notes, "throw a bunch of weeds in the pot and you've got herbs."
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