History MagnificentBastard / Literature

13th Aug '16 12:33:22 PM nombretomado
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* [[DichterUndDenker German philosopher]] Oswald Spengler was fascinated by them (like so many), and stated in his non-fiction book ''Literature/TheDeclineOfTheWest'' that there's barely if anything comparable to the satisfaction than that you feel if all the pieces of a great combination fall into place, JustAsPlanned.

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* [[DichterUndDenker [[UsefulNotes/DichterAndDenker German philosopher]] Oswald Spengler was fascinated by them (like so many), and stated in his non-fiction book ''Literature/TheDeclineOfTheWest'' that there's barely if anything comparable to the satisfaction than that you feel if all the pieces of a great combination fall into place, JustAsPlanned.
10th Aug '16 9:11:17 PM PaulA
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* Toranaga in ''Literature/Shogun}}'' is a quintessential Magnificent Bastard, and if the book were more widely known, it is quite possible he would be considered the TropeCodifier rather than [[Series/{{Dallas}} J.R. Ewing]] or [[Series/{{Smallville}} Lionel Luthor]]. Toranaga combines TheChessmaster and ManipulativeBastard gloriously, and plays an awesome game of XanatosSpeedChess when his plans get derailed. The latter detail is one of the best aspects of the way he has been written; he is not omniscient, and does make mistakes, and has occasionally been faced with a situation that puts him at a potentially fatal disadvantage, but he is very good at improvising his way out. It is impossible not to hope Toranaga ends up at the top of the GambitPileup that forms the book's backdrop, even though he is the black in the BlackAndGreyMorality; both Toranaga and his nemesis Ishido had sworn to their late master that they would protect his young son until he was old enough to rule, but Ishido believes Toranaga intends to supplant the boy and become Shogun himself, [[spoiler: and he's absolutely right]]. If any doubts about his Magnificent Bastard credentials remain towards the end of the book, the reveal in the final chapter of the insanely elaborate KansasCityShuffle he's been playing through the entire second half, ending with [[spoiler: his brutal ToThePain revenge on his nemesis Ishido,]] puts him firmly in this category: "It wasn't an Act of God. It was an Act of Toranaga."

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* Toranaga in ''Literature/Shogun}}'' ''{{Literature/Shogun}}'' is a quintessential Magnificent Bastard, and if the book were more widely known, it is quite possible he would be considered the TropeCodifier rather than [[Series/{{Dallas}} J.R. Ewing]] or [[Series/{{Smallville}} Lionel Luthor]]. Toranaga combines TheChessmaster and ManipulativeBastard gloriously, and plays an awesome game of XanatosSpeedChess when his plans get derailed. The latter detail is one of the best aspects of the way he has been written; he is not omniscient, and does make mistakes, and has occasionally been faced with a situation that puts him at a potentially fatal disadvantage, but he is very good at improvising his way out. It is impossible not to hope Toranaga ends up at the top of the GambitPileup that forms the book's backdrop, even though he is the black in the BlackAndGreyMorality; both Toranaga and his nemesis Ishido had sworn to their late master that they would protect his young son until he was old enough to rule, but Ishido believes Toranaga intends to supplant the boy and become Shogun himself, [[spoiler: and he's absolutely right]]. If any doubts about his Magnificent Bastard credentials remain towards the end of the book, the reveal in the final chapter of the insanely elaborate KansasCityShuffle he's been playing through the entire second half, ending with [[spoiler: his brutal ToThePain revenge on his nemesis Ishido,]] puts him firmly in this category: "It wasn't an Act of God. It was an Act of Toranaga."
10th Aug '16 9:10:29 PM PaulA
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* Toranaga in ''[[Literature/AsianSaga Shogun]]'' is a quintessential Magnificent Bastard, and if the book were more widely known, it is quite possible he would be considered the TropeCodifier rather than [[Series/{{Dallas}} J.R. Ewing]] or [[Series/{{Smallville}} Lionel Luthor]]. Toranaga combines TheChessmaster and ManipulativeBastard gloriously, and plays an awesome game of XanatosSpeedChess when his plans get derailed. The latter detail is one of the best aspects of the way he has been written; he is not omniscient, and does make mistakes, and has occasionally been faced with a situation that puts him at a potentially fatal disadvantage, but he is very good at improvising his way out. It is impossible not to hope Toranaga ends up at the top of the GambitPileup that forms the book's backdrop, even though he is the black in the BlackAndGreyMorality; both Toranaga and his nemesis Ishido had sworn to their late master that they would protect his young son until he was old enough to rule, but Ishido believes Toranaga intends to supplant the boy and become Shogun himself, [[spoiler: and he's absolutely right]]. If any doubts about his Magnificent Bastard credentials remain towards the end of the book, the reveal in the final chapter of the insanely elaborate KansasCityShuffle he's been playing through the entire second half, ending with [[spoiler: his brutal ToThePain revenge on his nemesis Ishido,]] puts him firmly in this category: "It wasn't an Act of God. It was an Act of Toranaga."

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* Toranaga in ''[[Literature/AsianSaga Shogun]]'' ''Literature/Shogun}}'' is a quintessential Magnificent Bastard, and if the book were more widely known, it is quite possible he would be considered the TropeCodifier rather than [[Series/{{Dallas}} J.R. Ewing]] or [[Series/{{Smallville}} Lionel Luthor]]. Toranaga combines TheChessmaster and ManipulativeBastard gloriously, and plays an awesome game of XanatosSpeedChess when his plans get derailed. The latter detail is one of the best aspects of the way he has been written; he is not omniscient, and does make mistakes, and has occasionally been faced with a situation that puts him at a potentially fatal disadvantage, but he is very good at improvising his way out. It is impossible not to hope Toranaga ends up at the top of the GambitPileup that forms the book's backdrop, even though he is the black in the BlackAndGreyMorality; both Toranaga and his nemesis Ishido had sworn to their late master that they would protect his young son until he was old enough to rule, but Ishido believes Toranaga intends to supplant the boy and become Shogun himself, [[spoiler: and he's absolutely right]]. If any doubts about his Magnificent Bastard credentials remain towards the end of the book, the reveal in the final chapter of the insanely elaborate KansasCityShuffle he's been playing through the entire second half, ending with [[spoiler: his brutal ToThePain revenge on his nemesis Ishido,]] puts him firmly in this category: "It wasn't an Act of God. It was an Act of Toranaga."
1st Jul '16 8:14:40 PM Materioptikon
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** Moist von Lipwig also falls here by sheer RefugeInAudacity, while less inclined to actual villainy than Gilt. Forced into the highly dangerous position of Postmaster, which has already killed the five previous incumbents, he manages to hold on to dear life with enormous amounts of charisma, convincing first the older, retired postmen and later all of Ankh-Morpork that the Post Office is returning to life. When Gilt arranges for the Post Office arson, he comes up with a way to revitalize the Post - unearth all the cash he made as a conman and passing it as a gift from the gods, putting the money to good use and beginning the path to true redemption. He goes against Gilt and suckers him into an unwinnable wager with a ''broom''. When his criminal past catches up with him in the next book, he sucker punches ''everyone'' trying to take advantage of it ''[[HonestyIsTheBestPolicy by confessing it all]]'', robbing them of any actual ammunition and gaining the full trust of the city in the bargain.

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** Moist von Lipwig also falls here by sheer RefugeInAudacity, while less inclined to actual villainy than Gilt. Forced into the highly dangerous position of Postmaster, which has already killed the five four previous incumbents, he manages to hold on to dear life with enormous amounts of charisma, convincing first the older, retired postmen and later all of Ankh-Morpork that the Post Office is returning to life. When Gilt arranges for the Post Office arson, he comes up with a way to revitalize the Post - unearth all the cash he made as a conman and passing it as a gift from the gods, putting the money to good use and beginning the path to true redemption. He goes against Gilt and suckers him into an unwinnable wager with a ''broom''. When his criminal past catches up with him in the next book, he sucker punches ''everyone'' trying to take advantage of it ''[[HonestyIsTheBestPolicy by confessing it all]]'', robbing them of any actual ammunition and gaining the full trust of the city in the bargain.
26th Jun '16 2:42:22 PM Materioptikon
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** Moist von Lipwig also falls here by sheer RefugeInAudacity, while less inclined to actual villainy than Gilt. Forced into the highly dangerous position of Postmaster, which has already killed the five previous incumbents, he manages to hold on to dear life with enormous amounts of charisma, convincing first the older, retired postmen and later all of Ankh-Morpork that the Post Office is returning to life. When Gilt arranges for the Post Office arson, he comes up with a way to revitalize the Post - unearth all the cash he made as a conman and passing it as a gift from the gods, putting the money to good use and beginning the path to true redemption. He goes against Gilt and suckers him into an unwinnable wager with a ''broom''. When his criminal past catches up with him in the next book, he sucker punches ''everyone'' trying to take advantage of it ''[[HonestyIsTheBestPolicy by confessing it all]]'', robbing them of any actual ammunition.

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** Moist von Lipwig also falls here by sheer RefugeInAudacity, while less inclined to actual villainy than Gilt. Forced into the highly dangerous position of Postmaster, which has already killed the five previous incumbents, he manages to hold on to dear life with enormous amounts of charisma, convincing first the older, retired postmen and later all of Ankh-Morpork that the Post Office is returning to life. When Gilt arranges for the Post Office arson, he comes up with a way to revitalize the Post - unearth all the cash he made as a conman and passing it as a gift from the gods, putting the money to good use and beginning the path to true redemption. He goes against Gilt and suckers him into an unwinnable wager with a ''broom''. When his criminal past catches up with him in the next book, he sucker punches ''everyone'' trying to take advantage of it ''[[HonestyIsTheBestPolicy by confessing it all]]'', robbing them of any actual ammunition.ammunition and gaining the full trust of the city in the bargain.
26th Jun '16 2:41:30 PM Materioptikon
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** Moist von Lipwig also falls here by sheer RefugeInAudacity, while less inclined to actual villainy than Gilt. Forced into the highly dangerous position of Postmaster, which has already killed the five previous incumbents, he manages to hold on to dear life with enormous amounts of charisma, convincing first the older, retired postmen and later all of Ankh-Morpork that the Post Office is returning to life. When Gilt arranges for the Post Office arson, he comes up with a way to revitalize the Post - unearth all the cash he made as a conman and passing it as a gift from the gods, putting the money to good use and beginning the path to true redemption. He goes against Gilt and outfoxes him into an unwinnable wager with a ''broom''. When his criminal past catches up with him in the next book, he sucker punches ''everyone'' trying to take advantage of it ''[[HonestyIsTheBestPolicy by confessing it all]]'', robbing them of any actual ammunition.

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** Moist von Lipwig also falls here by sheer RefugeInAudacity, while less inclined to actual villainy than Gilt. Forced into the highly dangerous position of Postmaster, which has already killed the five previous incumbents, he manages to hold on to dear life with enormous amounts of charisma, convincing first the older, retired postmen and later all of Ankh-Morpork that the Post Office is returning to life. When Gilt arranges for the Post Office arson, he comes up with a way to revitalize the Post - unearth all the cash he made as a conman and passing it as a gift from the gods, putting the money to good use and beginning the path to true redemption. He goes against Gilt and outfoxes suckers him into an unwinnable wager with a ''broom''. When his criminal past catches up with him in the next book, he sucker punches ''everyone'' trying to take advantage of it ''[[HonestyIsTheBestPolicy by confessing it all]]'', robbing them of any actual ammunition.
26th Jun '16 2:38:39 PM Materioptikon
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** ''Discworld/GoingPostal'' contrasts Vetinari with Reacher Gilt, who fits the classic version of this trope to a T; the protagonist even describes him as the greatest conman he's ever met. He secretly has people killed, he's the toast of the upper classes, and he admits freely that he's a pirate, but no-one listens. He buys the clacks with its own money, makes money running it into the ground, will make money selling its remains to himself for a pittance, profit as it's built back up... he might even make a profit running the damn thing, though that's more gravy than anything. And he gets away with it because he's [[RefugeInAudacity so bald-faced about it]], as well as amazingly charming, that no-one believes he's serious.

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** ''Discworld/GoingPostal'' contrasts Vetinari with Reacher Gilt, who fits the classic version of this trope to a T; Moist, the protagonist even mentioned below, describes him as the greatest conman he's ever met. He secretly has people killed, he's the toast of the upper classes, and he admits freely that he's a pirate, but no-one listens. He buys the clacks with its own money, makes money running it into the ground, will make money selling its remains to himself for a pittance, profit as it's built back up... he might even make a profit running the damn thing, though that's more gravy than anything. And he gets away with it because he's [[RefugeInAudacity so bald-faced about it]], as well as amazingly charming, that no-one believes he's serious.serious.
** Moist von Lipwig also falls here by sheer RefugeInAudacity, while less inclined to actual villainy than Gilt. Forced into the highly dangerous position of Postmaster, which has already killed the five previous incumbents, he manages to hold on to dear life with enormous amounts of charisma, convincing first the older, retired postmen and later all of Ankh-Morpork that the Post Office is returning to life. When Gilt arranges for the Post Office arson, he comes up with a way to revitalize the Post - unearth all the cash he made as a conman and passing it as a gift from the gods, putting the money to good use and beginning the path to true redemption. He goes against Gilt and outfoxes him into an unwinnable wager with a ''broom''. When his criminal past catches up with him in the next book, he sucker punches ''everyone'' trying to take advantage of it ''[[HonestyIsTheBestPolicy by confessing it all]]'', robbing them of any actual ammunition.
19th Jun '16 2:30:59 PM nombretomado
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** One of the ComicBook/XWingSeries novels has a chapter that's basically a POVSequel for the Bilbringi battle (the climax of ''[[TheThrawnTrilogy The Last Command]]'') from [[CanonSue Corran]] [[TropesAreNotBad Horn]]'s perspective. When he realizes that the Republic fleet has been [[OutGambitted neatly maneuvered into Thrawn's trap]], he gives us this quote which sums up the MB in a nutshell:

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** One of the ComicBook/XWingSeries novels has a chapter that's basically a POVSequel for the Bilbringi battle (the climax of ''[[TheThrawnTrilogy The Last Command]]'') ''Literature/TheLastCommand'') from [[CanonSue Corran]] [[TropesAreNotBad Horn]]'s perspective. When he realizes that the Republic fleet has been [[OutGambitted neatly maneuvered into Thrawn's trap]], he gives us this quote which sums up the MB in a nutshell:
19th May '16 8:16:10 AM Morgenthaler
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* [[spoiler:Lawrence John Wargrave]], aka U. N. Owen from ''AndThenThereWereNone''. Manages to craft the ultimate LockedRoomMystery and only his desire that someone appreciate his genius allowed the mystery to be solved. He even manages to fake his own death, and gets the last two victims to, respectively, try and kill one another, with the survivor committing suicide.

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* [[spoiler:Lawrence John Wargrave]], aka U. N. Owen from ''AndThenThereWereNone''.''Literature/AndThenThereWereNone''. Manages to craft the ultimate LockedRoomMystery and only his desire that someone appreciate his genius allowed the mystery to be solved. He even manages to fake his own death, and gets the last two victims to, respectively, try and kill one another, with the survivor committing suicide.



* In BrandonSanderson's first ''Literature/{{Mistborn}}'' book, main character Kelsier straddles the line between this and GuileHero - he's solidly on the good guys' side, but is a bit of a WellIntentionedExtremist who continually skirts JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope. He's also a revolutionary brilliant enough to topple a thousand-year-old empire led by a PhysicalGod [[spoiler: [[MyDeathIsJustTheBeginning posthumously]].]]

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* In BrandonSanderson's Creator/BrandonSanderson's first ''Literature/{{Mistborn}}'' book, main character Kelsier straddles the line between this and GuileHero - he's solidly on the good guys' side, but is a bit of a WellIntentionedExtremist who continually skirts JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope. He's also a revolutionary brilliant enough to topple a thousand-year-old empire led by a PhysicalGod [[spoiler: [[MyDeathIsJustTheBeginning posthumously]].]]
16th May '16 9:12:20 AM NNinja
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* ''Literature/HarryPotter'': Though a true SmugSnake at his core, Lord Voldemort took this to almost VillainSue proportions before his VillainDecay. He displays mastery of the {{plan}} in books one, two and four and even manages to infiltrate the Ministry in book five. By ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows Deathly Hallows]]'' he's even able to take over the Ministry and rule the Wizarding World as the power behind the throne but things just go downhill from there. It's possible that the destruction of his horcruxes is having a shrinking effect on his [[AxeCrazy sanity]], causing him to act more impulsively and irrationally than before or alternatively that when he was a powerless spirit, he had to rely more on his intelligence but once his body and power are restored, he [[{{Pride}} retains his former cockiness]] and starts making the same mistakes as before. He still nearly manages to kill Harry and destroy Hogwarts though. Voldemort would have won if it weren't for his mammoth ego, marriage to the VillainBall and of course, ThePowerOfLove and his [[EvilCannotComprehendGood lack of comprehension thereof]].

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Though a true SmugSnake at his core, Lord Voldemort took this to almost VillainSue proportions before his VillainDecay. He displays mastery of the {{plan}} in books one, two and four and even manages to infiltrate the Ministry in book five. By ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows Deathly Hallows]]'' he's even able to take over the Ministry and rule the Wizarding World as the power behind the throne but things just go downhill from there. It's possible that the destruction of his horcruxes is having a shrinking effect on his [[AxeCrazy sanity]], causing him to act more impulsively and irrationally than before or alternatively that when he was a powerless spirit, he had to rely more on his intelligence but once his body and power are restored, he [[{{Pride}} retains his former cockiness]] and starts making the same mistakes as before. He still nearly manages to kill Harry and destroy Hogwarts though. Voldemort would have won if it weren't for his mammoth ego, marriage to the VillainBall and of course, ThePowerOfLove and his [[EvilCannotComprehendGood lack of comprehension thereof]].thereof]].
**The title for THE Magnificent Bastard of the Harry Potter series however doesn't go to Voldemort, it belongs to none other than '''Albus Dumbledore himself'''. Jo once called him a Machiavellian figure - a Huge Understatement. Directly and indirectly, intentionally or otherwise, this one man, in some way or the other has been responsible for everything, '''everything''', that has driven his time and beyond in the history of the Potter Universe.
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