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21st May '16 2:02:53 PM erforce
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* SignOfTheApocalypse: Kitty twice makes this joke regarding [[Film/{{Ghostbusters}} dogs and cats being friendly/lovers]], despite the fact she got along just fine already with Luis and his sister.

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* SignOfTheApocalypse: Kitty twice makes this joke regarding [[Film/{{Ghostbusters}} [[Film/{{Ghostbusters 1984}} dogs and cats being friendly/lovers]], despite the fact she got along just fine already with Luis and his sister.
23rd Apr '16 6:31:46 PM Ingonyama
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** A stealth reference at the end of the first book: in a list of scientific names for various creatures "''Homo sapiens pinnipedia''" is mentioned, though it cuts off before explaining that seals are pinnipeds. Even more notible due to the fact that the only ones named before them (and therefore the only other ones named in the passage) are vampires[[labelnote:*]]Homo sapiens sanguinis[[/labelnote]] and werewolves[[labelnote:*]]Homo sapiens lupus[[/labelnote]].

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** A stealth reference at the end of the first book: in a list of scientific names for various creatures "''Homo sapiens pinnipedia''" is mentioned, though it cuts off before explaining that seals are pinnipeds. Even more notible notable due to the fact that the only ones named before them (and therefore the only other ones named in the passage) are vampires[[labelnote:*]]Homo sapiens sanguinis[[/labelnote]] and werewolves[[labelnote:*]]Homo sapiens lupus[[/labelnote]].
23rd Apr '16 6:07:28 PM Ingonyama
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* LaserGuidedKarma: All the villains who have died thus far have been targets of this in one way or another, but the fates of Meg and Carl are particularly delicious. Evan and Brenda setting up Boris and Sylvia to take the fall for the shootout at the Hanging Gardens is also quite fitting. The deaths of all the RightWingMilitaFanatic hunters in book 7 are definitely this, especially Provost since [[KarmicTransformation he actually gets turned into a werewolf first]], and Roman's final fate is this as well.

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* LaserGuidedKarma: All the villains who have died thus far have been targets of this in one way or another, but the fates of Meg and Carl are particularly delicious. Evan and Brenda setting up Boris and Sylvia to take the fall for the shootout at the Hanging Gardens is also quite fitting. The deaths of all the RightWingMilitaFanatic RightWingMilitiaFanatic hunters in book 7 are definitely this, especially Provost since [[KarmicTransformation he actually gets turned into a werewolf first]], and Roman's final fate is this as well.
23rd Apr '16 6:06:33 PM Ingonyama
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* LaserGuidedKarma: All the villains who have died thus far have been targets of this in one way or another, but the fates of Meg and Carl are particularly delicious. Evan and Brenda setting up Boris and Sylvia to take the fall for the shootout at the Hanging Gardens is also quite fitting.

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* LaserGuidedKarma: All the villains who have died thus far have been targets of this in one way or another, but the fates of Meg and Carl are particularly delicious. Evan and Brenda setting up Boris and Sylvia to take the fall for the shootout at the Hanging Gardens is also quite fitting. The deaths of all the RightWingMilitaFanatic hunters in book 7 are definitely this, especially Provost since [[KarmicTransformation he actually gets turned into a werewolf first]], and Roman's final fate is this as well.
23rd Apr '16 5:36:08 PM Ingonyama
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* FamilyUnfriendlyViolence[=/=][[FamilyUnfriendlyDeath Death]]: Unsurprisingly there's a lot of this throughout the series, but notable examples would be Meg and especially Carl's death, Arturo's death, and Mick's death. The whole slew of deaths in ''House of Horrors'' takes this UpToEleven, but among those [[spoiler:Jerome, Lee, and Gemma]] stand out. Jan's death also counts.

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* FamilyUnfriendlyViolence[=/=][[FamilyUnfriendlyDeath Death]]: Unsurprisingly there's a lot of this throughout the series, but notable examples would be Meg and especially Carl's death, Arturo's death, and Mick's death. The whole slew of deaths in ''House of Horrors'' takes this UpToEleven, but among those [[spoiler:Jerome, Lee, and Gemma]] stand out. Jan's death also counts. And unsurprisingly, Roman suffers the former trope thanks to [[spoiler:[[HoistByHisOwnPetard the backblast from the Manus Herculei]]]].
23rd Apr '16 5:20:43 PM Ingonyama
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** While many vampires in the series are either portrayed negatively due to their ambitions, or their ambitions [[DrunkWithPower actually caused them to become evil]], others are shown to use their power only for good and/or to have obtained it so as to stop the evil ambitions of others. Examples of the first type are Roman, Mercedes, Jan, [[spoiler:Leo]], Farida, and to some degree Arturo (although he has a HeelRealization before the end and does what he can to help the heroes win); examples of the second type are Rick, Alette, Ned, Anastasia, the Boss of San Francisco, Antony, and Marid. There are borderline cases though, such as Nasser (since he was willing to encourage someone to take out Kitty because he thought she wasn't strong enough to face Roman); Kumarbis, who started off with evil ambitions but realized the wrong in this when he discovered how far Roman was willing to go and thus set out to stop him; or [[spoiler:Arturo]] who became 'evil' out of fear and self-preservation rather than ambition, and vampires like Dominic who are only in it for the trappings of power and are otherwise figureheads. A few lycanthropes are even portrayed this way such as Carl and Meg or [[spoiler:Dack]].

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** While many vampires in the series are either portrayed negatively due to their ambitions, or their ambitions [[DrunkWithPower actually caused them to become evil]], others are shown to use their power only for good and/or to have obtained it so as to stop the evil ambitions of others. Examples of the first type are Roman, Mercedes, Jan, [[spoiler:Leo]], Farida, and to some degree Arturo (although he has a HeelRealization before the end and does what he can to help the heroes win); examples of the second type are Rick, Alette, Ned, Anastasia, the Boss of San Francisco, Antony, and Marid. There are borderline cases though, such as Nasser (since he was willing to encourage someone to take out Kitty because he thought she wasn't strong enough to face Roman); Kumarbis, who started off with evil ambitions but realized the wrong in this when he discovered how far Roman was willing to go and thus set out to stop him; or [[spoiler:Arturo]] [[spoiler:Angelo]] who became 'evil' out of fear and self-preservation rather than ambition, and vampires like Dominic who are only in it for the trappings of power and are otherwise figureheads. A few lycanthropes are even portrayed this way such as Carl and Meg or [[spoiler:Dack]].
23rd Apr '16 5:17:50 PM Ingonyama
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* AmbitionIsEvil: Played with in various ways.
** While many vampires in the series are either portrayed negatively due to their ambitions, or their ambitions [[DrunkWithPower actually caused them to become evil]], others are shown to use their power only for good and/or to have obtained it so as to stop the evil ambitions of others. Examples of the first type are Roman, Mercedes, Jan, [[spoiler:Leo]], Farida, and to some degree Arturo (although he has a HeelRealization before the end and does what he can to help the heroes win); examples of the second type are Rick, Alette, Ned, Anastasia, the Boss of San Francisco, Antony, and Marid. There are borderline cases though, such as Nasser (since he was willing to encourage someone to take out Kitty because he thought she wasn't strong enough to face Roman); Kumarbis, who started off with evil ambitions but realized the wrong in this when he discovered how far Roman was willing to go and thus set out to stop him; or [[spoiler:Arturo]] who became 'evil' out of fear and self-preservation rather than ambition, and vampires like Dominic who are only in it for the trappings of power and are otherwise figureheads. A few lycanthropes are even portrayed this way such as Carl and Meg or [[spoiler:Dack]].
** [[NotSoDifferent One other interesting parallel]] is set up through Amelia: aside from her [[IDidWhatIHadToDo being willing to do unscrupulous things to achieve her ends]], at various points when the reader gets in her head it's revealed how she is so hungry and eager for magical knowledge that she comes across as greedy, troubling, and even unlikable, particularly in [[{{Pride}} how entitled to it all she acts]] (such as when trying to obtain knowledge of Native American rituals). This is especially true in ''Low Midnight'' where both her desire for Kuzniak's Book of Shadows and the amulet seem quite unsettling and off-putting, and where her claims she is doing this "because it's the right thing to do" and such things shouldn't be left in Layne's hands seem like justifications to disguise her power-mongering; it's telling that Judi and Frida both think at first [[spoiler:Cormac wants the code to Zora's Book of Shadows for Amelia rather than for any altruistic motive, and she can't quite deny it]]. She is even willing at one point to [[AdmiringTheAbomination try and learn from Roman]] just because of the kind of knowledge he possesses! The key differences which separate her from Roman however are that she is clearly quite determined to save and protect the world; her desire for knowledge comes not from wanting to dominate but [[ToBeAMaster simply being an obsessed academic who loves and admires every magical thing she comes across]]; and the fact she pulls back from doing things the way Roman would have and thus subverts ScrewTheRulesIHaveSupernaturalPowers. So in the end her ambition, while a bit excessive at times, turns out not to be evil and in fact quite helpful at various points.
14th Apr '16 1:54:11 AM Ingonyama
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* CueTheSun: No, not whenever sunrise threatens a vampire, but the actual symbolic meaning of the trope--Rick overthrows Arturo just before dawn, and Kitty and the pack take out Meg and Carl not long afterward; she and Ben drive away into the sunrise, the beginning of a new and heroic era of leadership for Denver's vampires and werewolves.

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No, not whenever sunrise threatens a vampire, but the actual symbolic meaning of the trope--Rick overthrows Arturo just before dawn, and Kitty and the pack take out Meg and Carl not long afterward; she and Ben drive away into the sunrise, the beginning of a new and heroic era of leadership for Denver's vampires and werewolves. werewolves.
** The very last book also has a moment like this, since the defeat of Roman happens just before sunrise. After his death, Kitty spends a great deal of time watching the sunrise, feeling its warmth, and reflecting on how good it feels, with the symbolism of the trope very much coming through in how she finally feels safe, happy, and free of worry at last.
28th Feb '16 3:59:07 PM Ingonyama
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* NakedPeopleAreFunny: Considering the main character is a werewolf and throughout the story she and other lycanthropes are constantly losing their clothes, witnessed mid-transformation, or seen after Changing back to human form (and very few of these situations are at all funny), this trope is always avoided...until ''Low Midnight'', when as part of the ritual to call gold from the earth, Cormac has to take off his clothes at night, in the mountains, getting close to winter. What makes it even funnier is that [[spoiler:Amelia is of course still in his mind, which prompts Cormac to accuse her of just ''wanting'' to see him naked, and once he is, her ''also'' getting to experience just why he was against the idea]].

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* NakedPeopleAreFunny: Considering the main character is a werewolf and throughout the story she and other lycanthropes are constantly losing their clothes, witnessed mid-transformation, or seen after Changing back to human form (and very few of these situations are at all funny), this trope is always avoided...until ''Low Midnight'', when as part of the ritual to call gold from the earth, Cormac has to take off his clothes at night, in the mountains, getting close to at the tail end of winter. What makes it even funnier is that [[spoiler:Amelia is of course still in his mind, which prompts Cormac to accuse her of just ''wanting'' to see him naked, and once he is, her ''also'' getting to experience just why he was against the idea]].
15th Feb '16 6:33:35 PM Ingonyama
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** Amelia speaks of this when she references how even when she was still alive, magicians were exploring how spellwork could be applied to technology (she mentions in passing someone attempting to cast through the telegraph lines, with "ambiguous results"). It also applies to the protective runes [[spoiler:she places on]] Cormac's laptop, to keep out energies that might be dangerous; [[invoked]] [[SugarWiki/FunnyMoments the result is his e-mail account being "strangely free of spam."]]

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** Amelia speaks of this when she references how even when she was still alive, magicians were exploring how spellwork could be applied to technology (she mentions in passing someone attempting to cast through the telegraph lines, with "ambiguous results"). It also applies to the protective runes [[spoiler:she places on]] places]] on Cormac's laptop, to keep out energies that might be dangerous; [[invoked]] [[SugarWiki/FunnyMoments the result is his e-mail account being "strangely free of spam."]]
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