History Literature / KittyNorville

30th May '16 1:55:39 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* WeCouldHaveAvoidedAllThis: Kitty falling into Balthasar's clutches and almost being sacrificed to the Band of Tiamat could have been easily prevented if Odysseus Grant had merely [[PoorCommunicationKills come out and told her the truth]] instead of resorting to VaguenessIsComing pronouncements. To be fair, he was sure [[CassandraTruth she wouldn't have believed him]] and that [[YouAreNotReady she wasn't ready]], but still...
27th May '16 10:30:11 PM merotoker
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** Amazingly, [[spoiler:after going half the series alternately hating and being terrified of him, Kitty ends up feeling sorry for Roman as he lies dying from the backblast of the Manus Herculei. Even as she commiserates with him over how he must have felt after Kumarbis turned him, [[MurderByInaction she can't bring herself to truly do anything to help him]], certainly not to offer him her blood. But she does suggest trying to get him to shelter from the sun so he won't be destroyed by the dawn, and as much as Roman suggests she is simply trying to do the ethical thing to salve her conscience and [[EvilCannotComprehendGood couldn't really want to help him]], that she'd do better to abandon him after all he had done to her and her friends, she still wishes she could save him. She even tries to talk to him about his past, and calls him by his real name as he stakes himself.]]
* AllMythsAreTrue: Or most of them anyway--whenever Kitty hears of a new type of supernatural creature or magic, or encounters a ConspiracyTheorist, inevitably the creature/magic/theory turns out to be real, if not quite what the [[{{Bowdlerise}} Bowdlerised]] versions [[MetaphoricallyTrue would make her]] [[SadlyMythtaken believe them to be]]. While the FantasyKitchenSink of the series makes this trope fairly self-evident, a particularly effective and even insightful explanation (aside from the {{masquerade}}) for [[LegendFadesToMyth why this is the case]], yet nobody knows about it, is given in book two when Ahmed explains that [[BeethovenWasAnAlienSpy Daniel of the lion's den was really a werelion]] and Enkidu of ''[[Literature/TheEpicOfGilgamesh Gilgamesh]]'' was a werecreature as well.

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** Amazingly, [[spoiler:after going half the series alternately hating and being terrified of him, Kitty ends up feeling sorry for Roman as he lies dying from the backblast of the Manus Herculei. Even as she commiserates with him over how he must have felt after Kumarbis turned him, [[MurderByInaction she can't bring herself to truly do anything to help him]], certainly not to offer him her blood. But she does suggest trying to get him to shelter from the sun so he won't be destroyed by the dawn, and as much as Roman suggests she is simply trying to do the ethical thing to salve her conscience and [[EvilCannotComprehendGood couldn't really want to help him]], that she'd do better to abandon him after all he had done to her and her friends, she still wishes she could save him. She even tries to talk to him about his past, and calls him by his real name as he stakes himself.]]
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* AllMythsAreTrue: Or most of them anyway--whenever Kitty hears of a new type of supernatural creature or magic, or encounters a ConspiracyTheorist, inevitably the creature/magic/theory turns out to be real, if not quite what the [[{{Bowdlerise}} Bowdlerised]] {{bowdlerise}}d versions [[MetaphoricallyTrue would make her]] [[SadlyMythtaken believe them to be]]. While the FantasyKitchenSink of the series makes this trope fairly self-evident, a particularly effective and even insightful explanation (aside from the {{masquerade}}) for [[LegendFadesToMyth why this is the case]], yet nobody knows about it, is given in book two when Ahmed explains that [[BeethovenWasAnAlienSpy Daniel of the lion's den was really a werelion]] and Enkidu of ''[[Literature/TheEpicOfGilgamesh Gilgamesh]]'' was a werecreature as well.



* [[BadassArmy Badass Squad]]: In ''Kitty Goes to War'', Captain Gordon and his pack of Special Forces werewolves are these, achieving results far beyond their expectations, but [[spoiler:the pack completely fall apart after Gordon, the alpha, dies.]]

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* [[BadassArmy Badass Squad]]: In ''Kitty Goes to War'', Captain Gordon and his pack of Special Forces werewolves are these, achieving results far beyond their expectations, but [[spoiler:the pack completely fall apart after Gordon, the alpha, dies.]]dies]].



* TheBait: The plan Cormac comes up with to try and flush Roman out so they can assassinate him, involves this: [[spoiler:using Tina to stand in for Amelia, whom Roman had been communicating with via e-mail, so they could get close enough to strike a killing blow.]] Kitty [[GenreSavvy of course]] lampshades how such a plan is a terrible mistake likely to go wrong which Roman will see right through; Cormac counters that even if he does, he'll still be lured in [[spoiler:since he might believe Tina was channeling Amelia]]. Turns out they were both right.

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* TheBait: The plan Cormac comes up with to try and flush Roman out so they can assassinate him, involves this: [[spoiler:using Tina to stand in for Amelia, whom Roman had been communicating with via e-mail, so they could get close enough to strike a killing blow.]] blow]]. Kitty [[GenreSavvy of course]] lampshades how such a plan is a terrible mistake likely to go wrong which Roman will see right through; Cormac counters that even if he does, he'll still be lured in [[spoiler:since he might believe Tina was channeling Amelia]]. Turns out they were both right.



** ''Kitty's Big Trouble'' starts off with Kitty investigating rumors concerning [[spoiler: General Sherman and Wyatt Earp.]] They turn out to be true.
** ''Kitty Steals the Show'' introduces Ned, the Vampire Master of London... better known as [[spoiler: Edward Alleyn]]

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** ''Kitty's Big Trouble'' starts off with Kitty investigating rumors concerning [[spoiler: General Sherman and Wyatt Earp.]] Earp]]. They turn out to be true.
** ''Kitty Steals the Show'' introduces Ned, the Vampire Master of London... better known as [[spoiler: Edward Alleyn]] Alleyn]].



* BiggerBad: Charles Lightman [[spoiler:aka Lucifer]]



** With the ending of the series drawing closer, and due to the nature and far-reaching effects of the London conference, numerous characters from early in the series have reappeared in ''Kitty Steals the Show''. Luis and Emma are back with fairly large roles, as is Dr. Flemming; Alette, Tom, and Mercedes all get TheCameo (the latter, however, acting as a [[TheManBehindTheMan Woman Behind the Man]] for most of the book); and Tyler gets to be the DistressedDude this time. Jules from the Paradox PI crew is also there, though only named as a guest on Kitty's show. The only ones we haven't seen return are Ahmed, Tony, Grant, Peter, Brenda and Evan, and the non-evil members of the Band of Tiamat...and with the way the series is shaping up, it's likely at least some of them will appear too.

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** With the ending of the series drawing closer, and due to the nature and far-reaching effects of the London conference, numerous characters from early in the series have reappeared in ''Kitty Steals the Show''. Luis and Emma are back with fairly large roles, as is Dr. Flemming; Alette, Tom, and Mercedes all get TheCameo (the latter, however, acting as a [[TheManBehindTheMan Woman Behind the Man]] for most of the book); and Tyler gets to be the DistressedDude this time. Jules from the Paradox PI crew is also there, though only named as a guest on Kitty's show. The only ones we haven't seen return are Ahmed, Tony, Grant, Peter, Brenda and Evan, and the non-evil members of the Band of Tiamat...and with the way the series is shaping up, it's likely at least some of them will appear too.



* TheChessmaster: Mercedes, and most definitely [[spoiler:Roman]] And [[BiggerBad his master]] [[spoiler:Lucifer]]: "There's always another time. Always another tool. I'll wait."

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* TheChessmaster: Mercedes, and most definitely [[spoiler:Roman]] [[spoiler:Roman]]. And [[BiggerBad [[GreaterScopeVillain his master]] [[spoiler:Lucifer]]: "There's always another time. Always another tool. I'll wait."



** ''Kitty in the Underworld'': So the ritual to destroy Dux Bellorum fails, [[spoiler:costing the lives of the entire cult save Sakhmet]], the demon bounty hunter most likely escaped again, and Dux Bellorum has retrieved his ArtifactOfDoom. But Kitty has obtained Zora's Book of Shadows, [[spoiler:and with the help of Cormac/Amelia and people at KNOB she has managed to post its entire contents online--thus exposing Roman even more to the world, and providing anyone who finds and decodes it the means to band together and stop him.]]

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** ''Kitty in the Underworld'': So the ritual to destroy Dux Bellorum fails, [[spoiler:costing the lives of the entire cult save Sakhmet]], the demon bounty hunter most likely escaped again, and Dux Bellorum has retrieved his ArtifactOfDoom. But Kitty has obtained Zora's Book of Shadows, [[spoiler:and with the help of Cormac/Amelia and people at KNOB she has managed to post its entire contents online--thus exposing Roman even more to the world, and providing anyone who finds and decodes it the means to band together and stop him.]]him]].



* CreateYourOwnVillain: This has happened at least twice that we know of among the vampires: Father Columban was the vampire who sired [[spoiler:Fray Juan]], who later underwent a FaceHeelTurn by leaving the Order of St. Lazarus and trying to create his own faction of world-conquerors [[spoiler:with cannibalistic perverted Christian rites]]; he in turn created his own hero, [[spoiler:Rick]]. And it turns out that Kumarbis turned [[spoiler:Roman]], believing him meant for greatness and the one who could unite all vampires. Instead [[spoiler:Roman was [[FantasticRacism horrified]] and [[IHateYouVampireDad enraged]] at being turned against his will, usurped the Long Game, gathered wicked allies and dark powers [[EvenEvilHasStandards even Kumarbis would not employ]], and tried to take over the supernatural world.]]

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* CreateYourOwnVillain: This has happened at least twice that we know of among the vampires: Father Columban was the vampire who sired [[spoiler:Fray Juan]], who later underwent a FaceHeelTurn by leaving the Order of St. Lazarus and trying to create his own faction of world-conquerors [[spoiler:with cannibalistic perverted Christian rites]]; he in turn created his own hero, [[spoiler:Rick]]. And it turns out that Kumarbis turned [[spoiler:Roman]], believing him meant for greatness and the one who could unite all vampires. Instead [[spoiler:Roman was [[FantasticRacism horrified]] and [[IHateYouVampireDad enraged]] at being turned against his will, usurped the Long Game, gathered wicked allies and dark powers [[EvenEvilHasStandards even Kumarbis would not employ]], and tried to take over the supernatural world.]]world]].



** The more literal and explicit example appears in the form of [[spoiler:Charles Lightman's offer to give Kitty the live prime-time TV show she's always wanted, and the fame and accolades to go with it, if she will just leave Denver to do it.]] The fact it occurs in the form of [[spoiler:an actual contract, and that Lucifer poses as a TV executive producer who seems "too good to be true", is both hilarious and absolutely fitting.]] Interestingly, he later claims he expected Kitty to reject it, and the fact she had to debate about it at all [[VillainTakesAnInterest intrigued him]]. Naturally Kitty is very disturbed by this.

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** The more literal and explicit example appears in the form of [[spoiler:Charles Lightman's offer to give Kitty the live prime-time TV show she's always wanted, and the fame and accolades to go with it, if she will just leave Denver to do it.]] it]]. The fact it occurs in the form of [[spoiler:an actual contract, and that Lucifer poses as a TV executive producer who seems "too good to be true", is both hilarious and absolutely fitting.]] fitting]]. Interestingly, he later claims he expected Kitty to reject it, and the fact she had to debate about it at all [[VillainTakesAnInterest intrigued him]]. Naturally Kitty is very disturbed by this.



** ForScience: Thanks to PotentialApplications, HeWhoFightsMonsters, and ScaleOfScientificSins, Flemming's motivation [[SlowlySlippingIntoEvil turns into this]] by the end.

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** ForScience: Thanks to PotentialApplications, [[JustThinkOfThePotential Potential Applications]], HeWhoFightsMonsters, and ScaleOfScientificSins, Flemming's motivation [[SlowlySlippingIntoEvil turns into this]] by the end.



* TheFinalBattle: Although not quite the battle royale it could have been, it's still fairly impressive, since it involves Kitty and her closest allies [[spoiler:with the assistance of Anastasia, the Monkey King, a pair of angels, and the sudden appearance of Rick and his fellow members of the Order of the Shadows]] facing off with a horde of demons, all so they can prevent Roman from using his ArtifactOfDoom [[spoiler:to set off the Yellowstone caldera]].

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* TheFinalBattle: FinalBattle: Although not quite the battle royale it could have been, it's still fairly impressive, since it involves Kitty and her closest allies [[spoiler:with the assistance of Anastasia, the Monkey King, a pair of angels, and the sudden appearance of Rick and his fellow members of the Order of the Shadows]] facing off with a horde of demons, all so they can prevent Roman from using his ArtifactOfDoom [[spoiler:to set off the Yellowstone caldera]].



* FriendlyNeighborhoodVampires : Alette, Rick, Henry, the Boss of San Francisco, Anastasia, Ned, Marid, Antony, and to some degree every good character. Staying sane requires werewolves and vampires to keep some semblance of a normal civilized life.

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* FriendlyNeighborhoodVampires : FriendlyNeighborhoodVampire: Alette, Rick, Henry, the Boss of San Francisco, Anastasia, Ned, Marid, Antony, and to some degree every good character. Staying sane requires werewolves and vampires to keep some semblance of a normal civilized life.



* GreaterScopeVillain: Charles Lightman [[spoiler:aka Lucifer]]



* HauledBeforeASenateSubcommittee: Most of the plot of the second book is this, after the masquerade is broken. Unfortunately for Kitty, the senator in charge is a MoralGuardian on a WitchHunt (and [[EnemyMine is in bed with]] the [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman not-so-ethical]] [[ForScience scientist]] who wants supernaturals proven real [[PotentialApplications so he can get funding and study them]]).

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* HauledBeforeASenateSubcommittee: Most of the plot of the second book is this, after the masquerade is broken. Unfortunately for Kitty, the senator in charge is a MoralGuardian on a WitchHunt (and [[EnemyMine is in bed with]] the [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman not-so-ethical]] [[ForScience scientist]] who wants supernaturals proven real [[PotentialApplications [[JustThinkOfThePotential so he can get funding and study them]]).



* HeWhoFightsMonsters: Flemming falls into this in the end. As Kitty herself says, "Science can become its own brand of fanaticism."
** Cormac was on the verge of becoming this as well, before he met Kitty, thanks to GoodIsNotNice (or [[GoodIsNotSoft Soft]]). In "God's Creatures" [[NotSoDifferent he explicitly compares himself]] to the werewolf he is hunting, noting how the people he helps are no more comfortable in his presence than they are with the "monsters", that they are [[{{Foil}} two sides]] [[EvilCounterpart of the same coin]], and that while the monster he's hunting hasn't killed anybody (yet), he has killed many times.



* HeWhoFightsMonsters: Flemming falls into this in the end. As Kitty herself says, "Science can become its own brand of fanaticism."
** Cormac was on the verge of becoming this as well, before he met Kitty, thanks to GoodIsNotNice (or [[GoodIsNotSoft Soft]]). In "God's Creatures" [[NotSoDifferent he explicitly compares himself]] to the werewolf he is hunting, noting how the people he helps are no more comfortable in his presence than they are with the "monsters", that they are [[{{Foil}} two sides]] [[EvilCounterpart of the same coin]], and that while the monster he's hunting hasn't killed anybody (yet), he has killed many times.



* ISurrenderSuckers: How Carl [[spoiler:kills T.J.]]

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* ISurrenderSuckers: How Carl [[spoiler:kills T.J.]]J]].



** Dr. Flemming was also an example until [[spoiler:[[YouHaveFailedMe book 10]].]]

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** Dr. Flemming was also an example until [[spoiler:[[YouHaveFailedMe book 10]].]] 10]]]].



** A less far-reaching (but no less critical, in terms of the series' plot) example occurs in the very first book: Meg goes to Arturo to have Kitty taken out (out of [[GreenEyedMonster jealousy]] and fear of her growing independence); he, wishing to maintain the {{masquerade}}, agrees and, using a third party with ties to [[RightWingMilitiaFanatic Right Wing Militia Fanatics]], hires Cormac to do the deed (but also [[PlayingBothSides calls the cops so he will take the fall]]). When this is revealed to Cormac and Kitty, it causes the former to change sides and become a firm ally, and causes Kitty herself to stand up to Carl and Meg.
** Incredibly, as of book 11 [[spoiler:Dux Bellorum is actually TheDragon to one of these in turn, a "Caesar" magician and ruler for whom he is the literal general of his armies. It's not clear yet whether this is true, and said villain is actually the BigBad of the setting, or if he is the BiggerBad, or Roman is a DragonInChief.]]

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** A less far-reaching (but no less critical, in terms of the series' plot) example occurs in the very first book: Meg goes to Arturo to have Kitty taken out (out of [[GreenEyedMonster jealousy]] and fear of her growing independence); he, wishing to maintain the {{masquerade}}, agrees and, using a third party with ties to [[RightWingMilitiaFanatic Right {{Right Wing Militia Fanatics]], Fanatic}}s, hires Cormac to do the deed (but also [[PlayingBothSides calls the cops so he will take the fall]]). When this is revealed to Cormac and Kitty, it causes the former to change sides and become a firm ally, and causes Kitty herself to stand up to Carl and Meg.
** Incredibly, as of book 11 [[spoiler:Dux Bellorum is actually TheDragon to one of these in turn, a "Caesar" magician and ruler for whom he is the literal general of his armies. It's not clear yet whether this is true, and said villain is actually the BigBad of the setting, or if he is the BiggerBad, GreaterScopeVillain, or Roman is a DragonInChief.]]DragonInChief]].



** Kumarbis considers turning [[spoiler:Roman]] to be this, since not only did he end up doing it against his will, but [[spoiler:Roman]] betrayed him, delved into powers and beings he would not dare to consort with, and eventually warped his design into [[spoiler:one to destroy the mortal world, then dominate the supernatural one]]; as a result he is now determined to do anything if it will allow him to kill [[spoiler:Roman]] and [[MustMakeAmends make up for his sins]]. If Kitty's surmise is correct as to [[BiggerBad just where]] Kumarbis's feelings and instincts about [[spoiler:Roman]] being meant for greatness came from, he is [[UnwittingPawn more right than he knows]] in considering this such a terrible act.

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** Kumarbis considers turning [[spoiler:Roman]] to be this, since not only did he end up doing it against his will, but [[spoiler:Roman]] betrayed him, delved into powers and beings he would not dare to consort with, and eventually warped his design into [[spoiler:one to destroy the mortal world, then dominate the supernatural one]]; as a result he is now determined to do anything if it will allow him to kill [[spoiler:Roman]] and [[MustMakeAmends make up for his sins]]. If Kitty's surmise is correct as to [[BiggerBad [[GreaterScopeVillain just where]] Kumarbis's feelings and instincts about [[spoiler:Roman]] being meant for greatness came from, he is [[UnwittingPawn more right than he knows]] in considering this such a terrible act.



** A major example of this occurs in ''Rocks the House'': Because Father Columban [[YouAreNotReady does not bother to tell Kitty what sort of dark forces are pursuing him]], and [[PoorCommunicationKills neither she nor Rick will inform the police of the Long Game and his role in fighting it]], Hardin acts on the information from Interpol that seems to tell her the priest is a murderer and arsonist, hiring Cormac to break his protective spell so she can arrest him; his recklessness and loathing for vampires, and [[spoiler:Amelia's curiosity about the magic involved]], lead him to agree. The end result? The spell is broken all right, a demon is unleashed, and by the time the dust has settled and she has been banished, [[spoiler:Father Columban has died to save Rick, Rick has nearly killed Cormac for it, Kitty nearly died, and Rick has left town to join the Order of St. Lazarus, leaving Kitty with only Angelo to work with and spearheading the fight against the Long Game on her own]]. Cormac is of course [[GoodIsNotNice completely unrepentant about this]]; the only good to come out of the whole mess is that Kitty now knows [[spoiler:there's a BiggerBad behind Roman]] and Hardin is now fully in the loop and willing to help bring down the Long Game.

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** A major example of this occurs in ''Rocks the House'': Because Father Columban [[YouAreNotReady does not bother to tell Kitty what sort of dark forces are pursuing him]], and [[PoorCommunicationKills neither she nor Rick will inform the police of the Long Game and his role in fighting it]], Hardin acts on the information from Interpol that seems to tell her the priest is a murderer and arsonist, hiring Cormac to break his protective spell so she can arrest him; his recklessness and loathing for vampires, and [[spoiler:Amelia's curiosity about the magic involved]], lead him to agree. The end result? The spell is broken all right, a demon is unleashed, and by the time the dust has settled and she has been banished, [[spoiler:Father Columban has died to save Rick, Rick has nearly killed Cormac for it, Kitty nearly died, and Rick has left town to join the Order of St. Lazarus, leaving Kitty with only Angelo to work with and spearheading the fight against the Long Game on her own]]. Cormac is of course [[GoodIsNotNice completely unrepentant about this]]; the only good to come out of the whole mess is that Kitty now knows [[spoiler:there's a BiggerBad GreaterScopeVillain behind Roman]] and Hardin is now fully in the loop and willing to help bring down the Long Game.



* OurWerebeastsAreDifferent: Many different varieties of werebeasts have been seen so far. In addition to {{werewolves}}, there are also werelions, weretigers, were-jaguars, were-African wild dogs, and ''were-seals''. Kitty says that as far as she knows, no were-varieties exist of herbivorous species, only predators. Werebeasts are infected through bites. They change into human sized animals[[note]]whether they are unusually large or unusually small depends on the animal in question[[/note]], observing conservation of mass. They can change when they want, must force themselves not to change when under enough stress, have to change once a month at the full moon, and don't always remember what they did as an animal. They have a HealingFactor and are pretty much immune to any sort of normal illness. Silver is nasty for 'em, though, and they can die when [[OffWithHisHead decapitated]], their hearts are destroyed, or their bodies suffer extreme major trauma (like [[FamilyUnfriendlyDeath explosions]] or [[GuttedLikeAFish evisceration]]). [[spoiler:Female werebeasts can't carry children to term due to the shapeshifting.]]

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* OurWerebeastsAreDifferent: Many different varieties of werebeasts have been seen so far. In addition to {{werewolves}}, [[OurWerewolvesAreDifferent werewolves]], there are also werelions, weretigers, were-jaguars, were-African wild dogs, and ''were-seals''. Kitty says that as far as she knows, no were-varieties exist of herbivorous species, only predators. Werebeasts are infected through bites. They change into human sized animals[[note]]whether they are unusually large or unusually small depends on the animal in question[[/note]], observing conservation of mass. They can change when they want, must force themselves not to change when under enough stress, have to change once a month at the full moon, and don't always remember what they did as an animal. They have a HealingFactor and are pretty much immune to any sort of normal illness. Silver is nasty for 'em, though, and they can die when [[OffWithHisHead decapitated]], their hearts are destroyed, or their bodies suffer extreme major trauma (like [[FamilyUnfriendlyDeath explosions]] or [[GuttedLikeAFish evisceration]]). [[spoiler:Female werebeasts can't carry children to term due to the shapeshifting.]]



* StagesOfMonsterGrief: Appears at various points throughout the series, with different characters at different stages. Most have reached the Acceptance stage, with people like Kitty, T.J., Alette, Anastasia, Rick, Luis, and so on being FriendlyNeighborhoodVampires (or [[ReluctantMonster werebeasts]]), while those like Carl, Meg, Mercedes, and Roman are clearly {{Fully Embraced Fiend}}s (the latter two being TransHumanTreachery as well). Examples from both sides also exist among Kitty's callers. The two best examples of characters running the whole gamut of stages would be [[spoiler:Emma]], who (although most of this happens off-screen between books two and ten, other than "Life is the Teacher") goes from contemplating SuicideBySunlight to a FriendlyNeighborhoodVampire and in many ways a SheepInWolfsClothing, and James, who goes through an accelerated version thanks to his mental instability; [[SympathyForTheDevil it's a sad process to watch]]. [[spoiler:Ben]] goes through this too, of course, though after his initial depression and contemplation of suicide he gets over it and accepts his new life with admirable swiftness.

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* StagesOfMonsterGrief: Appears at various points throughout the series, with different characters at different stages. Most have reached the Acceptance stage, with people like Kitty, T.J., Alette, Anastasia, Rick, Luis, and so on being FriendlyNeighborhoodVampires {{Friendly Neighborhood Vampire}}s (or [[ReluctantMonster werebeasts]]), while those like Carl, Meg, Mercedes, and Roman are clearly {{Fully Embraced Fiend}}s (the latter two being TransHumanTreachery as well). Examples from both sides also exist among Kitty's callers. The two best examples of characters running the whole gamut of stages would be [[spoiler:Emma]], who (although most of this happens off-screen between books two and ten, other than "Life is the Teacher") goes from contemplating SuicideBySunlight to a FriendlyNeighborhoodVampire and in many ways a SheepInWolfsClothing, and James, who goes through an accelerated version thanks to his mental instability; [[SympathyForTheDevil it's a sad process to watch]]. [[spoiler:Ben]] goes through this too, of course, though after his initial depression and contemplation of suicide he gets over it and accepts his new life with admirable swiftness.



** [[LaserGuidedKarma Ironically]] [[spoiler:Mercedes herself ends up suffering this fate in the last book when her "having overstepped her bounds in London" causes Roman to abandon her, then allow the bounty hunter to kill her.]]

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** [[LaserGuidedKarma Ironically]] [[spoiler:Mercedes herself ends up suffering this fate in the last book when her "having overstepped her bounds in London" causes Roman to abandon her, then allow the bounty hunter to kill her.]] her]].
21st May '16 2:02:53 PM erforce
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* SignOfTheApocalypse: Kitty twice makes this joke regarding [[Film/{{Ghostbusters}} dogs and cats being friendly/lovers]], despite the fact she got along just fine already with Luis and his sister.

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* SignOfTheApocalypse: Kitty twice makes this joke regarding [[Film/{{Ghostbusters}} [[Film/{{Ghostbusters 1984}} dogs and cats being friendly/lovers]], despite the fact she got along just fine already with Luis and his sister.
23rd Apr '16 6:31:46 PM Ingonyama
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** A stealth reference at the end of the first book: in a list of scientific names for various creatures "''Homo sapiens pinnipedia''" is mentioned, though it cuts off before explaining that seals are pinnipeds. Even more notible due to the fact that the only ones named before them (and therefore the only other ones named in the passage) are vampires[[labelnote:*]]Homo sapiens sanguinis[[/labelnote]] and werewolves[[labelnote:*]]Homo sapiens lupus[[/labelnote]].

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** A stealth reference at the end of the first book: in a list of scientific names for various creatures "''Homo sapiens pinnipedia''" is mentioned, though it cuts off before explaining that seals are pinnipeds. Even more notible notable due to the fact that the only ones named before them (and therefore the only other ones named in the passage) are vampires[[labelnote:*]]Homo sapiens sanguinis[[/labelnote]] and werewolves[[labelnote:*]]Homo sapiens lupus[[/labelnote]].
23rd Apr '16 6:07:28 PM Ingonyama
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* LaserGuidedKarma: All the villains who have died thus far have been targets of this in one way or another, but the fates of Meg and Carl are particularly delicious. Evan and Brenda setting up Boris and Sylvia to take the fall for the shootout at the Hanging Gardens is also quite fitting. The deaths of all the RightWingMilitaFanatic hunters in book 7 are definitely this, especially Provost since [[KarmicTransformation he actually gets turned into a werewolf first]], and Roman's final fate is this as well.

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* LaserGuidedKarma: All the villains who have died thus far have been targets of this in one way or another, but the fates of Meg and Carl are particularly delicious. Evan and Brenda setting up Boris and Sylvia to take the fall for the shootout at the Hanging Gardens is also quite fitting. The deaths of all the RightWingMilitaFanatic RightWingMilitiaFanatic hunters in book 7 are definitely this, especially Provost since [[KarmicTransformation he actually gets turned into a werewolf first]], and Roman's final fate is this as well.
23rd Apr '16 6:06:33 PM Ingonyama
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* LaserGuidedKarma: All the villains who have died thus far have been targets of this in one way or another, but the fates of Meg and Carl are particularly delicious. Evan and Brenda setting up Boris and Sylvia to take the fall for the shootout at the Hanging Gardens is also quite fitting.

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* LaserGuidedKarma: All the villains who have died thus far have been targets of this in one way or another, but the fates of Meg and Carl are particularly delicious. Evan and Brenda setting up Boris and Sylvia to take the fall for the shootout at the Hanging Gardens is also quite fitting. The deaths of all the RightWingMilitaFanatic hunters in book 7 are definitely this, especially Provost since [[KarmicTransformation he actually gets turned into a werewolf first]], and Roman's final fate is this as well.
23rd Apr '16 5:36:08 PM Ingonyama
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* FamilyUnfriendlyViolence[=/=][[FamilyUnfriendlyDeath Death]]: Unsurprisingly there's a lot of this throughout the series, but notable examples would be Meg and especially Carl's death, Arturo's death, and Mick's death. The whole slew of deaths in ''House of Horrors'' takes this UpToEleven, but among those [[spoiler:Jerome, Lee, and Gemma]] stand out. Jan's death also counts.

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* FamilyUnfriendlyViolence[=/=][[FamilyUnfriendlyDeath Death]]: Unsurprisingly there's a lot of this throughout the series, but notable examples would be Meg and especially Carl's death, Arturo's death, and Mick's death. The whole slew of deaths in ''House of Horrors'' takes this UpToEleven, but among those [[spoiler:Jerome, Lee, and Gemma]] stand out. Jan's death also counts. And unsurprisingly, Roman suffers the former trope thanks to [[spoiler:[[HoistByHisOwnPetard the backblast from the Manus Herculei]]]].
23rd Apr '16 5:20:43 PM Ingonyama
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** While many vampires in the series are either portrayed negatively due to their ambitions, or their ambitions [[DrunkWithPower actually caused them to become evil]], others are shown to use their power only for good and/or to have obtained it so as to stop the evil ambitions of others. Examples of the first type are Roman, Mercedes, Jan, [[spoiler:Leo]], Farida, and to some degree Arturo (although he has a HeelRealization before the end and does what he can to help the heroes win); examples of the second type are Rick, Alette, Ned, Anastasia, the Boss of San Francisco, Antony, and Marid. There are borderline cases though, such as Nasser (since he was willing to encourage someone to take out Kitty because he thought she wasn't strong enough to face Roman); Kumarbis, who started off with evil ambitions but realized the wrong in this when he discovered how far Roman was willing to go and thus set out to stop him; or [[spoiler:Arturo]] who became 'evil' out of fear and self-preservation rather than ambition, and vampires like Dominic who are only in it for the trappings of power and are otherwise figureheads. A few lycanthropes are even portrayed this way such as Carl and Meg or [[spoiler:Dack]].

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** While many vampires in the series are either portrayed negatively due to their ambitions, or their ambitions [[DrunkWithPower actually caused them to become evil]], others are shown to use their power only for good and/or to have obtained it so as to stop the evil ambitions of others. Examples of the first type are Roman, Mercedes, Jan, [[spoiler:Leo]], Farida, and to some degree Arturo (although he has a HeelRealization before the end and does what he can to help the heroes win); examples of the second type are Rick, Alette, Ned, Anastasia, the Boss of San Francisco, Antony, and Marid. There are borderline cases though, such as Nasser (since he was willing to encourage someone to take out Kitty because he thought she wasn't strong enough to face Roman); Kumarbis, who started off with evil ambitions but realized the wrong in this when he discovered how far Roman was willing to go and thus set out to stop him; or [[spoiler:Arturo]] [[spoiler:Angelo]] who became 'evil' out of fear and self-preservation rather than ambition, and vampires like Dominic who are only in it for the trappings of power and are otherwise figureheads. A few lycanthropes are even portrayed this way such as Carl and Meg or [[spoiler:Dack]].
23rd Apr '16 5:17:50 PM Ingonyama
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* AmbitionIsEvil: Played with in various ways.
** While many vampires in the series are either portrayed negatively due to their ambitions, or their ambitions [[DrunkWithPower actually caused them to become evil]], others are shown to use their power only for good and/or to have obtained it so as to stop the evil ambitions of others. Examples of the first type are Roman, Mercedes, Jan, [[spoiler:Leo]], Farida, and to some degree Arturo (although he has a HeelRealization before the end and does what he can to help the heroes win); examples of the second type are Rick, Alette, Ned, Anastasia, the Boss of San Francisco, Antony, and Marid. There are borderline cases though, such as Nasser (since he was willing to encourage someone to take out Kitty because he thought she wasn't strong enough to face Roman); Kumarbis, who started off with evil ambitions but realized the wrong in this when he discovered how far Roman was willing to go and thus set out to stop him; or [[spoiler:Arturo]] who became 'evil' out of fear and self-preservation rather than ambition, and vampires like Dominic who are only in it for the trappings of power and are otherwise figureheads. A few lycanthropes are even portrayed this way such as Carl and Meg or [[spoiler:Dack]].
** [[NotSoDifferent One other interesting parallel]] is set up through Amelia: aside from her [[IDidWhatIHadToDo being willing to do unscrupulous things to achieve her ends]], at various points when the reader gets in her head it's revealed how she is so hungry and eager for magical knowledge that she comes across as greedy, troubling, and even unlikable, particularly in [[{{Pride}} how entitled to it all she acts]] (such as when trying to obtain knowledge of Native American rituals). This is especially true in ''Low Midnight'' where both her desire for Kuzniak's Book of Shadows and the amulet seem quite unsettling and off-putting, and where her claims she is doing this "because it's the right thing to do" and such things shouldn't be left in Layne's hands seem like justifications to disguise her power-mongering; it's telling that Judi and Frida both think at first [[spoiler:Cormac wants the code to Zora's Book of Shadows for Amelia rather than for any altruistic motive, and she can't quite deny it]]. She is even willing at one point to [[AdmiringTheAbomination try and learn from Roman]] just because of the kind of knowledge he possesses! The key differences which separate her from Roman however are that she is clearly quite determined to save and protect the world; her desire for knowledge comes not from wanting to dominate but [[ToBeAMaster simply being an obsessed academic who loves and admires every magical thing she comes across]]; and the fact she pulls back from doing things the way Roman would have and thus subverts ScrewTheRulesIHaveSupernaturalPowers. So in the end her ambition, while a bit excessive at times, turns out not to be evil and in fact quite helpful at various points.
14th Apr '16 1:54:11 AM Ingonyama
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* CueTheSun: No, not whenever sunrise threatens a vampire, but the actual symbolic meaning of the trope--Rick overthrows Arturo just before dawn, and Kitty and the pack take out Meg and Carl not long afterward; she and Ben drive away into the sunrise, the beginning of a new and heroic era of leadership for Denver's vampires and werewolves.

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No, not whenever sunrise threatens a vampire, but the actual symbolic meaning of the trope--Rick overthrows Arturo just before dawn, and Kitty and the pack take out Meg and Carl not long afterward; she and Ben drive away into the sunrise, the beginning of a new and heroic era of leadership for Denver's vampires and werewolves. werewolves.
** The very last book also has a moment like this, since the defeat of Roman happens just before sunrise. After his death, Kitty spends a great deal of time watching the sunrise, feeling its warmth, and reflecting on how good it feels, with the symbolism of the trope very much coming through in how she finally feels safe, happy, and free of worry at last.
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