History Literature / EarthsChildren

16th Nov '17 1:22:24 PM Stevebob
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* GenreBusting: Romance x Historical Fiction x Historical Fantasy x Travelogue x Ecology Essay

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* GenreBusting: Romance x Historical Fiction x Historical Fantasy x Travelogue x Ecology EssayEssay.
* GladToBeAliveSex: Ayla and Jondalar several times in ''The Plains of Passage''. One of the most notable times is after they finally make it over the glacier. [[spoiler: As the most dangerous part of their journey is now over, Ayla decides on a whim not to make the contraceptive tea she's been taking and so falls pregnant]].



* GladToBeAliveSex: Ayla and Jondalar several times in ''The Plains of Passage''. One of the most notable times is after they finally make it over the glacier. [[spoiler: As the most dangerous part of their journey is now over, Ayla decides on a whim not to make the contraceptive tea she's been taking and so falls pregnant]].


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*** Actually, in this case Ayla had been trying to encourage him all day to make the Signal at her using Clan postures and gestures, becoming frustrated when he doesn't get it. And when she 'assumes the position', she seems more hesitant due to it reminding her of what [[spoiler: Broud]] did to her, than from not wanting sex. This would indicate she ''did'' want sex with Jondalar and was more concerned it would hurt due to her previous experience. Still, Jondalar treats the signal as a bit of lighthearted humour and should perhaps be taking it more seriously...


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*** In fairness, Jondalar is actually horrified and filled with self-loathing that he may have forced Ayla. She herself enthusiastically took part and consented...well, in her head anyway. She later tries to explain this to Jondalar, though he's too busy beating himself up to listen...really, it's just another example of the atrocious lack of communication between these two in the third book.
** Possibly Ayla and Ranec's first time. He propositions her and she seems to be under the impression she is obligated to go with him (due to the Clan training), in spite of the fact she finds him attractive. Mamut actually points out to her that it's her right to say no.
** [[spoiler: Ayla]] and Laramar in the sixth book, considering she was extremely drunk at the time. Laramar claims she sought him out, but she was still intoxicated and Laramar's hardly the most honest and honorable man of the Zelandonii.
15th Nov '17 12:30:05 PM Stevebob
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The novels revolve around "Ayla," a Cro-Magnon woman who lived about 30,000 years ago, somewhere near the Black Sea (modern-day Ukraine). Orphaned at five due to an earthquake, she is taken in by a group of Neanderthals. Auel goes into great detail on the physiology of these Neanderthals, who call themselves the [[TitleDrop Clan of the Cave Bear]] after their primary deity. The main difference between Clan and "Others" (Cro-Magnons) is that Clan have access to GeneticMemory, which makes them quick studies for anything their species already knows but very slow to accept innovation or change. Ayla is adopted by the clan's medicine woman, and her brother, a crippled shaman, learning a great deal of herb lore and practical medicine, but also learns to hunt in direct defiance of the Clan's traditions. Her clan's leader (the brother of the medicine woman and shaman both) accepts her as best he can, able to recognize her talents and skills even if they make him uncomfortable, but when his snotty son takes up the mantle of leadership, the son has Ayla exiled from the Clan [[spoiler:(after raping her)]]. This would be easier on 14-year-old Ayla if she hadn't borne a son, Durc, a ''Homo neanderthalensis x sapiens'' hybrid that must be left behind.

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The novels revolve around "Ayla," a Cro-Magnon woman who lived about 30,000 years ago, somewhere near the Black Sea (modern-day Ukraine). Orphaned at five due to an earthquake, she is taken in by a group of Neanderthals. Auel goes into great detail on the physiology of these Neanderthals, who call themselves the [[TitleDrop Clan of the Cave Bear]] after their primary deity. The main difference between Clan and "Others" (Cro-Magnons) is that Clan have access to GeneticMemory, which makes them quick studies for anything their species already knows but very slow to accept innovation or change. Ayla is adopted by the clan's medicine woman, and her brother, a crippled shaman, learning a great deal of herb lore and practical medicine, but also learns to hunt in direct defiance of the Clan's traditions. Her clan's leader (the brother of the medicine woman and shaman both) accepts her as best he can, able to recognize her talents and skills even if they make him uncomfortable, but when his snotty son takes up the mantle of leadership, the son has Ayla exiled from the Clan [[spoiler:(after raping her)]].Clan. This would be easier on 14-year-old Ayla if she hadn't borne a son, Durc, a ''Homo neanderthalensis x sapiens'' hybrid that must be left behind.



* EverybodyHasLotsOfSex: As one of the themes of the series seems to be refuting the SexIsEvil trope, the author describes sex between Ayla and Jondalar with lots of detail.

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* EverybodyHasLotsOfSex: As one of the themes of the series seems to be refuting the SexIsEvil trope, the author describes sex between Ayla and Jondalar (and a few other people) with lots of detail.


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* GladToBeAliveSex: Ayla and Jondalar several times in ''The Plains of Passage''. One of the most notable times is after they finally make it over the glacier. [[spoiler: As the most dangerous part of their journey is now over, Ayla decides on a whim not to make the contraceptive tea she's been taking and so falls pregnant]].
23rd Oct '17 2:37:26 PM Theriocephalus
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23rd Oct '17 2:37:10 PM Theriocephalus
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** Most Cro-Magnon cultures are ''very'' liberal about sex, to the point where having full blown orgies is considered a sacred tradition and promiscuity is practically encouraged. Sex is talked about openly with children and no one minds if they witness sexual acts - some kids are even known to mimic sexual acts during play in imitation of their parents. Girls are expected to go through First Rites, where they are ritually deflowered by an experienced older man, as soon as they hit menarche, meaning most girls having First Rites are between 12 and 16. Boys are assigned to a donii-woman to teach them about sex when they hit puberty, so they are generally around the same age as girls. It's also not considered that strange for people to be married with kids by their late teens. This is partly TruthInTelevision, as real hunter-gatherer cultures where people live in close proximity are often more open about sex.

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** Most Cro-Magnon cultures are ''very'' liberal about sex, to the point where having full blown orgies is considered a sacred tradition and promiscuity is practically encouraged. Sex is talked about openly with children and no one minds if they witness sexual acts - -- some kids are even known to mimic sexual acts during play in imitation of their parents. Girls are expected to go through First Rites, where they are ritually deflowered by an experienced older man, as soon as they hit menarche, meaning most girls having First Rites are between 12 and 16. Boys are assigned to a donii-woman to teach them about sex when they hit puberty, so they are generally around the same age as girls. It's also not considered that strange for people to be married with kids by their late teens. This is partly TruthInTelevision, as real hunter-gatherer cultures where people live in close proximity are often more open about sex.



* HeinousHyena: Ayla has a strong aversion to hyenas, ever since a hyena grabbed a baby during a mammoth hunt. She sees hyenas as scum and will never allow a hyena around. She is otherwise a FriendToAllLivingThings (even those she kills for food).



** Frebec of the Mamutoi Lion Camp is not a nice person - he's neglectful to his mate, bickers constantly with his mother-in-law, riles up everyone else and is very judgmental of Ayla and Rydag, but it's implied that a lot of this stems from feelings of inferiority, he genuinely loves Fralie and he [[spoiler: turns into a NiceGuy by the end of the book]].

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** Frebec of the Mamutoi Lion Camp is not a nice person - -- he's neglectful to his mate, bickers constantly with his mother-in-law, riles up everyone else and is very judgmental of Ayla and Rydag, but it's implied that a lot of this stems from feelings of inferiority, he genuinely loves Fralie and he [[spoiler: turns into a NiceGuy by the end of the book]].



* RejectionRitual: In ''Clan of the Cave Bear'', the Clan have a ritual called the Death Curse the medicine man does to make a person "dead." Nobody acknowledges the person and it's implied that YourMindMakesItReal--they ''really can't'' see them, and the person figures that if they're dead, they'll just lay down and die. Ayla has this done to her [[spoiler:twice; the first time it's just for a month, but the second time it's permanent]]. She doesn't actually die [[spoiler: either time]] though.

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* RejectionRitual: In ''Clan of the Cave Bear'', the Clan have a ritual called the Death Curse the medicine man does to make a person "dead." "dead". Nobody acknowledges the person and it's implied that YourMindMakesItReal--they YourMindMakesItReal -- they ''really can't'' see them, and the person figures that if they're dead, they'll just lay down and die. Ayla has this done to her [[spoiler:twice; the first time it's just for a month, but the second time it's permanent]]. She doesn't actually die [[spoiler: either time]] though.
23rd Oct '17 10:05:41 AM CaptEquinox
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* BiggerIsBetterInBed: Deconstructed and reconstructed. Jondalar is so well-endowed that he has had to hold back with basically every partner he's ever had... except Ayla, whose painful past experience has given her sufficient "character depth" to love all of him.

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* BiggerIsBetterInBed: Deconstructed and reconstructed. Jondalar is so well-endowed that he has had to hold back with basically every partner all but a few partners he's ever had... except Ayla, whose painful past experience has given her sufficient "character depth" to love all of him.
14th Oct '17 2:47:02 PM Eolewyn1010
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* QuestionableConsent: At least two times between Jondalar and Ayla.
** First, while he teaches her still about the pleasures of sexuality and makes "the sign" to her that, according to the Clan's rules, commands her to immediatey allow him to have his way with her. Ayla obeys because she is conditioned a lifetime long to do as man tells her, but her thoughts are in the range of "for the first time, she would have refused". The fact that she's into it immediately as he starts makes it come across a bit like NotIfTheyEnjoyedItRationalization.
** Second, in the third book while Ayla is technically in a relationship with Ranec and Jondalar generally behaves like a Jerkass when they go on a hunting trip. Jondalar, pissed off and jealous, forces himself upon her and realizes this afterwards, and while Ayla insists that she is "always ready for him", he definitely did not ask for her consent.

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* QuestionableConsent: At least two times twice between Jondalar and Ayla.
** First, while he still teaches her still about the pleasures of sexuality and makes "the sign" to her that, according to the Clan's rules, commands her to immediatey allow him to have his way with her. Ayla obeys because she is conditioned a lifetime long to do as man tells her, but her thoughts are in the range of "for the first time, she would have refused". The fact that she's into it immediately as he starts makes it come across a bit like NotIfTheyEnjoyedItRationalization.
** Second, in the third book when they go on a hunting trip, while Ayla is technically in a relationship with Ranec and Jondalar generally behaves like a Jerkass when they go on a hunting trip.Jerkass. Jondalar, pissed off and jealous, forces himself upon her and realizes this afterwards, and while Ayla insists that she is "always ready for him", he definitely did not ask for her consent.
7th Oct '17 11:48:14 AM Eolewyn1010
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** For a short period of time in the first book, [[spoiler: Ayla is raped by Broud, [[WrongfulHeirToTheThrone the son and heir-designate of the clan's leader]]. Since he gave her the Signal, the women of the clan can't figure out why Ayla objects, whereas Ayla knows he does it to humiliate her. And indeed, Broud loses interest when she stops resisting because she [[ChildByRape got pregnant by him]]]].

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** For a short period of time in the first book, [[spoiler: Ayla is raped by Broud, [[WrongfulHeirToTheThrone [[TheWrongfulHeirToTheThrone the son and heir-designate of the clan's leader]]. Since he gave her the Signal, the women of the clan can't figure out why Ayla objects, whereas Ayla knows he does it to humiliate her. And indeed, Broud loses interest when she stops resisting because she [[ChildByRape got pregnant by him]]]].
6th Oct '17 1:39:55 PM Eolewyn1010
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* PlatonicLifePartners: Iza, after having lost her mate in an earthquake, lives on the hearth of her brother Creb, caring for his needs, confering with him about the Clan's daily business (he is the shaman, she is the healer) and with Iza stating that, over time, she has come to love Creb as other women love their mate, without this having a sexual touch. The siblings also raise an adopted child together, Ayla, who pretty much considers Iza her mother and Creb her father.
6th Oct '17 6:46:09 AM Eolewyn1010
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** First, while he teaches her still about the pleasures of sexuality and makes "the sign" to her that, according to the Clan's rules, commands her to immediatey allow him to have his way with her. Ayla obeys becuse she is conditioned a lifetime long to do as man tells her, but her thoughts are in the range of "for the first time, she would have refused". The fact tht she's into it immediately as he starts makes it come across a bit like NotIfTheyEnjoyedItRationalization.
** Second, in the third book while Ayla is technically in a relationship with Ranec and Jondalar generally behaves like a Jerkass, when they go on a hunting trip. Jondalar, pissed off and jealous, forces himself upon her and knows this very well afterwards, and while Ayla insists that she is "always ready for him", he definitely did not ask for her consent.

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** First, while he teaches her still about the pleasures of sexuality and makes "the sign" to her that, according to the Clan's rules, commands her to immediatey allow him to have his way with her. Ayla obeys becuse because she is conditioned a lifetime long to do as man tells her, but her thoughts are in the range of "for the first time, she would have refused". The fact tht that she's into it immediately as he starts makes it come across a bit like NotIfTheyEnjoyedItRationalization.
** Second, in the third book while Ayla is technically in a relationship with Ranec and Jondalar generally behaves like a Jerkass, Jerkass when they go on a hunting trip. Jondalar, pissed off and jealous, forces himself upon her and knows realizes this very well afterwards, and while Ayla insists that she is "always ready for him", he definitely did not ask for her consent.
6th Oct '17 6:43:28 AM Eolewyn1010
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** First, while he teaches her still about the pleasures of sexuality and makes "the sign" to her that, according to the Clan's rules, commands her to immediatey allow him to have his way with her. Ayla obeys becuse she is conditioned a lifetime long to do as man tells her, but her thoughts are in the range of "for the first time, she would have refused". The fact tht she's into it immediately as he starts makes it come across a bit like [[NotIfTheyEnjoyedItRationalization]].
** Second, in the third book when Ayla is technically in a relationship with Ranec and Jondalar generally behaves like a [[Jerkass]], when they go on a hunting trip. Jondalar forces himself upon her and knows this very well afterwards, and while Ayla insists that she is "always ready for him", he definitely did not ask for her consent.

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** First, while he teaches her still about the pleasures of sexuality and makes "the sign" to her that, according to the Clan's rules, commands her to immediatey allow him to have his way with her. Ayla obeys becuse she is conditioned a lifetime long to do as man tells her, but her thoughts are in the range of "for the first time, she would have refused". The fact tht she's into it immediately as he starts makes it come across a bit like [[NotIfTheyEnjoyedItRationalization]].
NotIfTheyEnjoyedItRationalization.
** Second, in the third book when while Ayla is technically in a relationship with Ranec and Jondalar generally behaves like a [[Jerkass]], Jerkass, when they go on a hunting trip. Jondalar Jondalar, pissed off and jealous, forces himself upon her and knows this very well afterwards, and while Ayla insists that she is "always ready for him", he definitely did not ask for her consent.
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