History JustForFun / TheTropelessTale

16th Jul '17 11:01:44 AM Korodzik
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Some works have come close to reaching this nebulous quality such as ''WesternAnimation/{{Allegreto}}'', ''Film/AfterLastSeason'', ''Film/{{Koyaanisqatsi}}'', ''Film/MyDinnerWithAndre'', ''The Man with the Movie Camera'', ''Film/RussianArk'', ''Film/{{Decasia}}'' and quite a few TrueArtIsIncomprehensible works, although all of these are arguable and subjective, and well... they tend to come up with tropes anyway. Also, ''Literature/FinnegansWake''. No, wait, that's a MindScrew... Arguably, the closest thing to it is the film ''Film/RoundhayGardenScene'' which is 2 seconds long and depicts no real action, but it's questionable if it can even be considered a "work". [[note]]Even so, aside from JustForFun/TheTropelessTale being a trope itself, its brevity inverts EpicMovie.[[/note]]

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Some works have come close to reaching this nebulous quality such as ''WesternAnimation/{{Allegreto}}'', ''WesternAnimation/{{Allegretto}}'', ''Film/AfterLastSeason'', ''Film/{{Koyaanisqatsi}}'', ''Film/MyDinnerWithAndre'', ''The Man with the Movie Camera'', ''Film/RussianArk'', ''Film/{{Decasia}}'' and quite a few TrueArtIsIncomprehensible works, although all of these are arguable and subjective, and well... they tend to come up with tropes anyway. Also, ''Literature/FinnegansWake''. No, wait, that's a MindScrew... Arguably, the closest thing to it is the film ''Film/RoundhayGardenScene'' which is 2 seconds long and depicts no real action, but it's questionable if it can even be considered a "work". [[note]]Even so, aside from JustForFun/TheTropelessTale being a trope itself, its brevity inverts EpicMovie.[[/note]]
15th Jul '17 10:29:45 AM LB7979
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To put it another way, TheTropelessTale is [[SelfDemonstrating/TheTropelessTale this]]. [[note]][[EmptyRoomPsych Oh wait.]][[/note]]

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To put it another way, TheTropelessTale the Tropeless Tale is [[SelfDemonstrating/TheTropelessTale this]]. [[note]][[EmptyRoomPsych Oh wait.]][[/note]]
4th Jul '17 6:42:12 PM MasterofGalaxies4628
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# You can't have a [[HeroTropes hero]] or a [[{{Villains}} villain]]. That's okay, [[DecoyProtagonist there have been works]] [[NoAntagonist that did that.]]
# You can't have an [[ActionHero Action Guy]] ''or'' a NonActionGuy - nor can you have [[ImprobablyFemaleCast only women]].
# [[AuthorAppeal You can't like anything you write about]]. That's okay, you will write about what you hate-- No, wait! [[PetPeeveTrope You can't do that, either]].

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# You can't have a [[HeroTropes hero]] {{hero|Tropes}} or a [[{{Villains}} villain]]. That's okay, {{villain|s}}. Not a deal-breaker so far, [[DecoyProtagonist there have been works]] [[NoAntagonist that did that.]]
# You can't have an [[ActionHero Action Guy]] ''or'' a NonActionGuy - NonActionGuy, nor can you have [[ImprobablyFemaleCast only women]].
# [[AuthorAppeal You can't like write about anything you write about]]. like]]. That's okay, you will write about what you hate-- No, hate--No, wait! [[PetPeeveTrope You can't do that, either]].



# You will not have a [[NarrativeTropes narrative]] in your story. That means no {{Dialogue}}, no {{Conflict}}, no {{Characters}}, no {{Plot|s}}. Your story will be about the [[NoPlotNoProblem purely abstract]], maybe even nothingness. [[SceneryPorn Just a page or two describing the non-existent scenery]] that is [[IncrediblyLamePun utropeia]]. [[PurpleProse Or maybe just describing nothingness]]. [[SeinfeldianConversation Aww, nuts, that won't work either...]]

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# You will not have a [[NarrativeTropes narrative]] {{narrative|Tropes}} in your story. That means no {{Dialogue}}, no {{Conflict}}, no {{Characters}}, no {{Plot|s}}. Your story will be about the [[NoPlotNoProblem purely abstract]], maybe even nothingness. [[SceneryPorn Just a page or two describing the non-existent scenery]] that is [[IncrediblyLamePun utropeia]].uTropia]]. [[PurpleProse Or maybe just describing nothingness]]. [[SeinfeldianConversation Aww, nuts, that won't work either...]]



# Finally, let's say that you actually do it, somehow, despite all the other issues we've mentioned. You manage to create a story that is well and truly tropeless. Now let's say that other people like your ideas enough to [[FollowTheLeader copy them many, many times]]. Now your tale is no longer tropeless, but the TropeMaker for an entirely new set of tropes, because that's what a trope is -- a pattern of elements meant to convey meaning.

Due to the ''impossibility'' of writing a story without tropes, it is generally not to be undertaken except as an artistic challenge, and attempting to not use tropes is not necessarily intelligent writing; instead, an easier end toward intelligent writing is to take old tropes and [[TropesAreTools use them in a new way]]. ''{{ComicBook/Watchmen}}'' is considered a masterpiece, even though nothing in it was new. It just used the old in a fascinating way. Creator/WilliamShakespeare lifted all of his plots from other works (except [[Theatre/TheTempest one]]). ''Literature/TheBelgariad'' is one of the most critically acclaimed fantasy series in modern fiction, and was deliberately filled with every trope, convention and cliche that the writer could think of. Also, let's not forget that the three highest grossing movies of all time, ''Film/TheForceAwakens'', ''Film/{{Titanic 1997}}'' and ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' are riddled with tried and true formulas, familiar story structure and arc characterisations.

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# Finally, let's say that you actually do it, somehow, despite all the other issues we've mentioned. You manage to create a story that is well and truly tropeless. Now let's say that other people like your ideas enough to [[FollowTheLeader copy them many, many times]]. Now your tale is no longer tropeless, but the TropeMaker for an entirely new set of tropes, because that's what a trope is -- {{trope}} is: a pattern of elements meant to convey meaning.

Due to the ''impossibility'' of writing a story without tropes, it is generally not to be undertaken except as an artistic challenge, and attempting to not use tropes is not necessarily intelligent writing; instead, an easier end toward intelligent writing is to take old tropes and [[TropesAreTools use them in a new way]]. ''{{ComicBook/Watchmen}}'' ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'' is considered a masterpiece, even though nothing in it was new. It just used the old in a fascinating way. Creator/WilliamShakespeare lifted all of his plots from other works (except [[Theatre/TheTempest one]]). ''Literature/TheBelgariad'' is one of the most critically acclaimed fantasy series in modern fiction, and was deliberately filled with every trope, convention and cliche that the writer could think of. Also, let's not forget that the three highest grossing movies of all time, ''Film/TheForceAwakens'', ''Film/{{Titanic 1997}}'' ''Film/Titanic1997'' and ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' are riddled with tried and true formulas, familiar story structure and arc characterisations.



The closest thing to a Tropeless Tale is TV static from a channel you can tune to, but don't get -- SnowyScreenOfDeath! ''Curses!'' YouAreTooLate!

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The closest thing to a Tropeless Tale is TV static from a channel you can tune to, but don't get -- in other words, a SnowyScreenOfDeath! ''Curses!'' YouAreTooLate!



See also SoYouWantTo.BeOriginal.



* UnwinnableTrainingSimulation: The Tropeless Tale is the storytelling equivalent of this.



* YouCantFightFate: Even if it would be possible to succeed any work created that way would act as a trope maker for new tropes. If you found a way around that, "tropeless tale" itself would become a trope. Worse yet, since you're reading this it already is.

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* YouCantFightFate: Even if it would be possible to succeed any work created that way would act as a trope maker TropeMaker for new tropes. If you found a way around that, "tropeless tale" itself would become a trope. Worse yet, since you're reading this this, it already is.



-->...and that, folks, is the reason why we say TropesAreNotBad around here. Even the mere ''concept'' of a Tropeless Tale has {{trope}}s.

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-->...and And that, folks, is the reason why we say TropesAreNotBad around here. Even the mere ''concept'' of a Tropeless Tale has {{trope}}s.
{{trope}}s.
4th Jun '17 2:49:40 PM nombretomado
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* SelfReferentialHumor: This is TVTropes making fun of its troping ability.

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* SelfReferentialHumor: This is TVTropes Wiki/TVTropes making fun of its troping ability.
10th Feb '17 2:05:06 AM Argon2
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* AnAesop: You can't write a story without tropes and that's ok.

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* AnAesop: You can't write a story without tropes and that's ok.OK.
8th Feb '17 9:33:17 AM Prinzenick
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* RealityEnsues: Writers attempting to create a tropeless tale, even one where absolutely nothing exists or happens, will discover that even that kind of thinking spawns a type of context due to the thought process behind it, as well as other stories and tropes and the thought process behind them contrasting the utter lack of content in the attempt at a tropeless story. Art and creativity does not exist in a vacuum, and for a tropeless tale to even remotely be possible, there would have to be absolutely no existence at all--and even that could probably [[LogicBomb spawn tropes by itself.]]

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* RealityEnsues: Writers attempting to create a tropeless tale, even one where absolutely nothing exists or happens, will discover that even that kind of thinking spawns a type of context due to the thought process behind it and the real life audiences reaction to it, as well as other stories and tropes and the thought process behind them contrasting the utter lack of content in the attempt at a tropeless story. Art and creativity does not exist in a vacuum, and for a tropeless tale to even remotely be possible, there would have to be absolutely no existence at all--and even that could probably [[LogicBomb spawn tropes by itself.]]
8th Feb '17 9:32:27 AM Prinzenick
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* SchmuckBait: Both the link to the Self Demonstrating page and the challenge to write something tropeless seem appealing.'

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* SchmuckBait: Both the link to the Self Demonstrating page and the challenge to write something tropeless seem appealing.'
8th Feb '17 9:32:04 AM Prinzenick
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* ShowDontTell: The story proves the folly of trying a write a story with no tropes by showing that a story with no tropes has nothing in it at all.

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* ShowDontTell: The story proves the folly of trying a write a story with no tropes by showing that a story with no tropes has nothing in it at all. all, and yet still manages to spawn content and a reaction to it anyway.
8th Feb '17 9:31:13 AM Prinzenick
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* SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism: Can go either way, depending on whether you interpret the impossibility of making a Tropeless Tale as a good thing or a bad thing.
1st Feb '17 9:10:49 AM Prinzenick
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* ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin: It's a story without tropes (or at least, it's ideal is to be one).
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