History JustForFun / TheTropelessTale

17th Nov '17 8:26:42 AM DustSnitch
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Some works have come close to reaching this nebulous quality such as ''WesternAnimation/{{Allegretto}}'', ''Film/AfterLastSeason'', ''Film/{{Koyaanisqatsi}}'', ''Film/MyDinnerWithAndre'', ''The Man with the Movie Camera'', ''Film/RussianArk'', ''Film/{{Decasia}}'' and quite a few TrueArtIsIncomprehensible works, although all of these are arguable and subjective, and well... they tend to come up with tropes anyway. Also, ''Literature/FinnegansWake''. No, wait, that's a MindScrew... Arguably, the closest thing to it is the film ''Film/RoundhayGardenScene'' which is 2 seconds long and depicts no real action, but it's questionable whether it can even be considered a "work". [[note]]Even so, aside from JustForFun/TheTropelessTale being a trope itself, its brevity inverts EpicMovie.[[/note]]

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Some works have come close to reaching this nebulous quality such as ''WesternAnimation/{{Allegretto}}'', ''Film/AfterLastSeason'', ''Film/{{Koyaanisqatsi}}'', ''Film/MyDinnerWithAndre'', ''The Man with the Movie Camera'', ''Film/RussianArk'', ''Film/{{Decasia}}'' ''Film/{{Decasia}}'', ''Literature/AMillionRandomDigitsWithOneHundredThousandNormalDeviates'' and quite a few TrueArtIsIncomprehensible works, although all of these are arguable and subjective, and well... they tend to come up with tropes anyway. Also, ''Literature/FinnegansWake''. No, wait, that's a MindScrew... Arguably, the closest thing to it is the film ''Film/RoundhayGardenScene'' which is 2 seconds long and depicts no real action, but it's questionable whether it can even be considered a "work". [[note]]Even so, aside from JustForFun/TheTropelessTale being a trope itself, its brevity inverts EpicMovie.[[/note]]
29th Oct '17 3:54:22 PM Trying2CIt
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Some works have come close to reaching this nebulous quality such as ''WesternAnimation/{{Allegretto}}'', ''Film/AfterLastSeason'', ''Film/{{Koyaanisqatsi}}'', ''Film/MyDinnerWithAndre'', ''The Man with the Movie Camera'', ''Film/RussianArk'', ''Film/{{Decasia}}'' and quite a few TrueArtIsIncomprehensible works, although all of these are arguable and subjective, and well... they tend to come up with tropes anyway. Also, ''Literature/FinnegansWake''. No, wait, that's a MindScrew... Arguably, the closest thing to it is the film ''Film/RoundhayGardenScene'' which is 2 seconds long and depicts no real action, but it's questionable if it can even be considered a "work". [[note]]Even so, aside from JustForFun/TheTropelessTale being a trope itself, its brevity inverts EpicMovie.[[/note]]

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Some works have come close to reaching this nebulous quality such as ''WesternAnimation/{{Allegretto}}'', ''Film/AfterLastSeason'', ''Film/{{Koyaanisqatsi}}'', ''Film/MyDinnerWithAndre'', ''The Man with the Movie Camera'', ''Film/RussianArk'', ''Film/{{Decasia}}'' and quite a few TrueArtIsIncomprehensible works, although all of these are arguable and subjective, and well... they tend to come up with tropes anyway. Also, ''Literature/FinnegansWake''. No, wait, that's a MindScrew... Arguably, the closest thing to it is the film ''Film/RoundhayGardenScene'' which is 2 seconds long and depicts no real action, but it's questionable if whether it can even be considered a "work". [[note]]Even so, aside from JustForFun/TheTropelessTale being a trope itself, its brevity inverts EpicMovie.[[/note]]



* EmptyRoomPsych: The lack of tropes is going to make people want to find meaning and content in the story anyway, even if there wasn't any content intended in the first place.

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* EmptyRoomPsych: The lack of tropes is going to would make people want to find meaning and content in the story anyway, even if there wasn't weren't any content intended in the first place.



* UnpleasableFanbase: Even if you manage to create a tropeless tale, someone will still find something in your work to bash and/or criticize.

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* UnpleasableFanbase: Even if you manage managed to create a tropeless tale, someone will would still find something in your work to bash and/or criticize.



* YouCantFightFate: Even if it would be possible to succeed any work created that way would act as a TropeMaker for new tropes. If you found a way around that, "tropeless tale" itself would become a trope. Worse yet, since you're reading this, it already is.

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* YouCantFightFate: Even if it would be were possible to succeed succeed, any work created that way would act as a TropeMaker for new tropes. If you found a way around that, "tropeless tale" itself would become a trope. Worse yet, since you're reading this, it already is.
16th Sep '17 7:10:11 PM TropesForever
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* AddedAlliterativeAppeal: The '''T'''ropesless '''T'''ale.

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* AddedAlliterativeAppeal: The '''T'''ropesless '''T'''ropeless '''T'''ale.
16th Sep '17 7:09:41 PM TropesForever
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* AddedAlliterativeAppeal: The '''T'''ropesless '''T'''ale.
12th Sep '17 10:21:30 AM AndIntroducingALeg
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* TropeMaker: Maybe, just maybe, you might come up with something that averts all existing tropes. Success? Nope, as the page quote shows, the best you can hope for is that you've created a new one.



* UrExample: Maybe, just maybe, you might come up with something that doesn't fit into any existing tropes. Success? Nope, as the page quote shows, the best you can hope for is that you've created a new one.
12th Sep '17 10:17:20 AM AndIntroducingALeg
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* UrExample: Maybe, just maybe, you might come up with something that doesn't fit into any existing tropes. Success? Nope, as the page quote shows, the best you can hope for is that you've created a new one.
27th Aug '17 12:41:01 PM Piterpicher
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Or this: ∞

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Or this:
∞ [[note]][[{{Infinite}} No, wait, this won't work either.]][[/note]]
26th Aug '17 2:19:12 PM DustSnitch
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It's important to note that this page is not meant as a smug, pop-psychology attack on the stupidity and unoriginality of the human brain, but rather a testament to how many tropes authors and artists have created, including some pairs of tropes that are exact opposites and even some that necessarily occur whenever others don't. In contrast, the message here is that writing a tropeless tale is impossible because writers long ago have thought of so much, often in deliberate attempts to avoid using tropes. So don't take it personally. Heck, even stories purposefully written with as few words as possible can unintentionally spawn a myriad of tropes, such as Literature/HemingwaysSixWordStory and Literature/TheUglyBarnacle.

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It's important to note that this page is not meant as a smug, pop-psychology attack on the stupidity and unoriginality of the human brain, but rather a testament to how many tropes authors and artists have created, including some pairs of tropes that are exact opposites and even some that necessarily occur whenever others don't. In contrast, the message here is that writing a tropeless tale is impossible because writers long ago have thought of so much, often in deliberate attempts to avoid using tropes. So don't take it personally. Heck, even stories purposefully written with as few words as possible can unintentionally spawn a myriad of tropes, such as Literature/HemingwaysSixWordStory Literature/HemingwaysSixWordStory, the three surviving lines of ''Theatre/TheProgeny'', and Literature/TheUglyBarnacle.
25th Aug '17 7:05:37 PM MasterofGalaxies4628
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It's at this point that [[YourHeadASplode your head explodes]] [[GoMadFromTheRevelation from the sheer number of paradoxes]] that have arisen from trying to create a Tropeless Tale. [[WingedSoulFliesOffAtDeath Your spirit rises out of your body into]] [[FluffyCloudHeaven the clouds]], where JustForFun/TropeTan, goddess of tropes, is waiting for you. Incensed, you say to her, "Is this some kind of cosmic prank you're pulling? I'm sure there ''has'' to be a way to write a story without tropes!"

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It's at this point that [[YourHeadASplode your head explodes]] [[GoMadFromTheRevelation from the sheer number of paradoxes]] that have arisen from trying to create a Tropeless Tale. [[WingedSoulFliesOffAtDeath Your spirit rises out of your body into]] [[FluffyCloudHeaven the clouds]], where JustForFun/TropeTan, goddess of tropes, is waiting for you. Incensed, you say to her, "Is this some kind of [[CosmicPlaything cosmic prank prank]] you're pulling? I'm sure there ''has'' to be a way to write a story without tropes!"



# "Even if you actually accomplish it somehow, despite all the other issues you encountered, even if you manage to create a story that is well and truly tropeless, what's to stop other people from liking your ideas enough to [[FollowTheLeader copy them in their stories]]? Then your tale would no longer be tropeless, but instead be the TropeMaker for an entirely new set of tropes, because that's what a {{trope}} is: a pattern of elements meant to convey meaning."

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# "Even if you actually accomplish it somehow, despite all the other issues you encountered, even if you manage to create a story that is well and truly tropeless, what's to stop what happens if other people from liking decide they like your ideas enough to [[FollowTheLeader copy them in their in]] ''[[FollowTheLeader their]]'' [[FollowTheLeader stories]]? Then your tale would no longer be tropeless, but instead be the TropeMaker for an entirely new set of tropes, because that's what a {{trope}} is: a pattern of elements meant to convey meaning."
23rd Aug '17 11:09:47 AM MasterofGalaxies4628
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You're sick of all of those TropeOverdosed stories. It's getting on your nerves. Why doesn't anybody do anything ''original''? You know! You're going to write one yourself! So now you compose a list of tropes, and cross out what you can't have in your story. Work something out afterwards.

# You can't have a {{hero|Tropes}} or a {{villain|s}}. Not a deal-breaker so far, [[DecoyProtagonist there have been works]] [[NoAntagonist that did that.]]

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You're sick of all of those ClicheStorm, {{Troperrific}}, and TropeOverdosed stories. It's getting on your nerves. Why doesn't anybody do anything ''original''? ''original?'' Something new enough not to get the label of "trope" stamped on them? [[BlatantLies It's just a term used to]] [[UnusualEuphemism avoid having to say]] [[TWordEuphemism the C-word]][[note]][[IThoughtItMeant No, not]] ''[[CountryMatters that]]'' [[CountryMatters C-word]][[/note]], [[BlatantLies anyway!]]

Then you get an idea.
You know! know what you're going to do! You're going to write one yourself! A [[TitleDrop Tropeless Tale]]! So now you compose a list of tropes, go on Wiki/TVTropes and cross out what [[ArchiveBinge start finding every trope that exists]] so that you can't have in your story. won't use them, consciously or unwittingly. Work something out afterwards.

afterwards once you know what you're left with.

As you browse the site and learn about more and more tropes to steer clear of, you think about how not using them will restrict you from writing a story conventionally, and how you might work around it:

# You can't have a {{hero|Tropes}} or a {{villain|s}}. Not a deal-breaker so far, there have been works that did that.

But then it hits you: those two storytelling elements having been used by other stories means that they're
[[DecoyProtagonist there have been works]] tropes of]] [[NoAntagonist that did that.]]their own]], so you can't ''not'' have a hero or villain. As you think about this, you continue gathering tropes and realize:

[numlist:2]



# [[AuthorAppeal You can't write about anything you like]]. That's okay, you will write about what you hate--No, wait! [[PetPeeveTrope You can't do that, either]].
# You will not go [[PurpleProse overboard with your descriptions]], but you can't [[BeigeProse limit those descriptions either]].

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# [[AuthorAppeal You can't write about anything you like]]. That's okay, That might be fixable, if you will just write about what you hate--No, wait! [[PetPeeveTrope You can't do that, either]].
# You will not go [[PurpleProse overboard with your descriptions]], but you can't [[BeigeProse limit those descriptions descriptions, either]].



# You should avert all tropes, but you cannot use AvertedTrope either. Sound like some sort of LogicBomb? [[MindScrew Well, you have to avert that now too]].[[note]][[OverlyLongGag And you have to avert]] MindScrew as well, [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment and]] OverlyLongGag, and [[ShapedLikeItself Department of Redundancy Department]] and...[[/note]]
# Finally, let's say that you actually do it, somehow, despite all the other issues we've mentioned. You manage to create a story that is well and truly tropeless. Now let's say that other people like your ideas enough to [[FollowTheLeader copy them many, many times]]. Now your tale is no longer tropeless, but the TropeMaker for an entirely new set of tropes, because that's what a {{trope}} is: a pattern of elements meant to convey meaning.

Due to the ''impossibility'' of writing a story without tropes, it is generally not to be undertaken except as an artistic challenge, and attempting to not use tropes is not necessarily intelligent writing; instead, an easier end toward intelligent writing is to take old tropes and [[TropesAreTools use them in a new way]]. ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'' is considered a masterpiece, even though nothing in it was new. It just used the old in a fascinating way. Creator/WilliamShakespeare lifted all of his plots from other works (except [[Theatre/TheTempest one]]). ''Literature/TheBelgariad'' is one of the most critically acclaimed fantasy series in modern fiction, and was deliberately filled with every trope, convention and cliche that the writer could think of. Also, let's not forget that the three highest grossing movies of all time, ''Film/TheForceAwakens'', ''Film/Titanic1997'' and ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' are riddled with tried and true formulas, familiar story structure and arc characterisations.

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# You should avert all tropes, but you cannot use AvertedTrope AvertedTrope, either. Sound like some sort of LogicBomb? [[MindScrew Well, you have to avert that now too]].[[note]][[OverlyLongGag And then you realize]] you have to avert]] avert MindScrew as well, [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment and]] OverlyLongGag, and [[ShapedLikeItself Department of Redundancy Department]] and...[[/note]]
# Finally, let's say [/numlist]

It's at this point
that [[YourHeadASplode your head explodes]] [[GoMadFromTheRevelation from the sheer number of paradoxes]] that have arisen from trying to create a Tropeless Tale. [[WingedSoulFliesOffAtDeath Your spirit rises out of your body into]] [[FluffyCloudHeaven the clouds]], where JustForFun/TropeTan, goddess of tropes, is waiting for you. Incensed, you say to her, "Is this some kind of cosmic prank you're pulling? I'm sure there ''has'' to be a way to write a story without tropes!"

Trope-tan shakes her head and answers:

[numlist:7]
# "Even if
you actually do it, accomplish it somehow, despite all the other issues we've mentioned. You you encountered, even if you manage to create a story that is well and truly tropeless. Now let's say that tropeless, what's to stop other people like from liking your ideas enough to [[FollowTheLeader copy them many, many times]]. Now in their stories]]? Then your tale is would no longer be tropeless, but instead be the TropeMaker for an entirely new set of tropes, because that's what a {{trope}} is: a pattern of elements meant to convey meaning.

meaning."
[/numlist]

You stare in silence for several seconds. [[AndKnowingIsHalfTheBattle Finally, Trope-tan asks you, "So what did you learn?"\\
And you reply, "I learned two things:]]

# "I can't write a story without tropes, and that's OK.
# [[SpaceWhaleAesop "Trying to write a story without tropes will make your head explode."]]

->''[TheEnd and roll credits]''
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Due to the ''impossibility'' of writing a story without tropes, it is generally not to be undertaken except as an artistic challenge, and attempting to not use tropes is not necessarily intelligent writing; instead, an easier end toward intelligent writing is to take old tropes and [[TropesAreTools use them in a new way]]. ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'' is considered a masterpiece, even though nothing in it was new. It just used the old in a fascinating way. Creator/WilliamShakespeare lifted all of his plots from other works (except [[Theatre/TheTempest one]]). ''Literature/TheBelgariad'' is one of the most critically acclaimed fantasy series in modern fiction, and was [[{{Troperiffic}} deliberately filled with every trope, convention and cliche cliché that the writer could think of.of]]. Also, let's not forget that the three highest grossing movies of all time, ''Film/TheForceAwakens'', ''Film/Titanic1997'' and ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' are riddled with tried and true formulas, familiar story structure and arc characterisations.



* AnAesop: You can't write a story without tropes and that's OK.
* AwfulTruth: You will never be 100 percent original. Yes, it's sad but you have to accept it and move on.

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* AnAesop: You can't write a story without tropes tropes, and that's OK.
* AwfulTruth: You will never be 100 percent 100% original. Yes, it's sad sad, but you have to accept it and move on.



* ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin: It's a story without tropes (or at least, it's ideal is to be one).

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* ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin: It's a story without tropes (or at least, it's its ideal is to be one).



* ShaggyDogStory: In the end you couldn't create a tropeless tale.
* ShowDontTell: The story proves the folly of trying a write a story with no tropes by showing that a story with no tropes has nothing in it at all, and yet still manages to spawn content and a reaction to it anyway.

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* ShaggyDogStory: In the end end, you couldn't create a tropeless tale.
* ShowDontTell: The story proves the folly of trying a write a story with no tropes by showing that a story with no tropes has nothing in it at all, and yet still manages to spawn content content, tropes, and a reaction to it it, anyway.




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* YouKeepUsingThatWord: If you honestly think in the way portrayed by the Tropeless Tale, you're confusing "{{Trope}}" with "{{Cliche}}".
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