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** Third here: If there wasn't an airlock, then it would have the same reaction as an airplane I would guess. With the change in pressure, it would send everything not bolted down into the empty, vacuum of space. While it wouldn't kill them, it would be annoying at least and catastrophic at most; as a transformer could get lost forever in space. [[YoufailPhysicsForEver Or I could just not know how spaceships work.]]

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** Third here: If there wasn't an airlock, then it would have the same reaction as an airplane I would guess. With the change in pressure, it would send everything not bolted down into the empty, vacuum of space. While it wouldn't kill them, it would be annoying at least and catastrophic at most; as a transformer could get lost forever in space. [[YoufailPhysicsForEver [[ArtisticLicensePhysics Or I could just not know how spaceships work.]]
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* Where are all the rest of the Autobots (and by extension Decepticons)coming from if they didn't end up on the Ark.

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* Where are all the rest of the Autobots (and by extension Decepticons)coming Decepticons) coming from if they didn't end up on the Ark.Ark?
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* Why isn't Unicron generally voiced by MauriceLaMarche? His Orson Welles is ''perfect''!

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* Why isn't Unicron generally voiced by MauriceLaMarche? Creator/MauriceLaMarche? His Orson Welles is ''perfect''!
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*** The question is "Why do people assume everything not quite human enough to recognize gender is a male?" People would react to [[{{Metroid}} Samus]] the same way if they didn't [[SamusIsAGirl know she was a girl]]. Of course, there's also the question of why the cartoon gave them clearly male voices.

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*** The question is "Why do people assume everything not quite human enough to recognize gender is a male?" People would react to [[{{Metroid}} [[Franchise/{{Metroid}} Samus]] the same way if they didn't [[SamusIsAGirl know she was a girl]]. Of course, there's also the question of why the cartoon gave them clearly male voices.
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** Well we know Megatron left Shockwave to look after Cybertron in the pilot, so it's plausible that others (of both factions) were also left on the planet and came to Earth later; travel between the two worlds was shown reasonably frequently, so it's possible they came to Earth off screen. In fact, talking of those trips shown, if I recall correctly, we even see other Seekers (i.e. not Starscream, Skywarp, Thundercracker or even the Conehead trio) under Shockwave's command, adding credence to there being others that were left on Cybertron who could have traveled at a later date. Also, pre-The Movie we even see evidence that interstellar travel is reasonably trivial for the Transformers and at least one lost colony shows up meaning that there may have been units, battalions and so forth stationed/fighting offworld at the time of the Ark's launch who could have reunited at a later date, not to mention the non-aligned Transformer worlds that were out there that the Autobots and Deceptacons could recruit from off camera between televised episodes. On top of this, is it actually confirmed that the Season One Autobots were all there were on the Ark? Maybe there were more that weren't woken from stasis initially and were kept stasis locked until the Autobots had built up a large enough power reserve to justify waking them up. A similar thing could go for Soundwave's extra casseticons, with him keeping Frenzy, Buzzclaw, etc in casset mode until the Deceptacons had built a large enough power reserve to justify making use of them. Lastly, there are numerous cases of both sides building new teams (off the top of my head there's the Dinobots, the Arielbots and the Constructicons), so maybe some were built off camera and we just didn't see it because there wasn't anything episode worthy about it for those times.
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** I'm not sure if this is what you're asking, but in the script for TransformersTheMovie, it's revealed that Autobot City is basically a massive energy-gathering operation, with wind turbines, solar panels, oil derricks etc. all over the shop.

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** I'm not sure if this is what you're asking, but in the script for TransformersTheMovie, ''WesternAnimation/TheTransformersTheMovie'', it's revealed that Autobot City is basically a massive energy-gathering operation, with wind turbines, solar panels, oil derricks etc. all over the shop.



** Because the [[TransformersTheMovie Movie]] takes place in the G1 Animated continuity, which didn't ''have'' Primus; the TF were made by the [[TheManBehindTheMan Quintessons]], and Unicron was made by [[CanonDisContinuity a monkey]]. To all involved (including Unicron), Cybertron was just the home planet of the TF, and not the physical embodiment of Primus. DevilButNoGod, indeed.

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** Because the [[TransformersTheMovie [[WesternAnimation/TheTransformersTheMovie Movie]] takes place in the G1 Animated continuity, which didn't ''have'' Primus; the TF were made by the [[TheManBehindTheMan Quintessons]], and Unicron was made by [[CanonDisContinuity a monkey]]. To all involved (including Unicron), Cybertron was just the home planet of the TF, and not the physical embodiment of Primus. DevilButNoGod, indeed.



** From the POV of the current canon of a single Unicron and a single Primus across the multiverse, we may consider the release dates rather than the given dates (unless it's treated as a "future timeline" of a current timeline, like the future UK stories). I mean, TransformersTheMovie was in 1986, but Unicron didn't know Cybertron was Primus' new form because he couldn't trace the dormant Primus, and there's enough worlds of Transformers (Junk, Paradron, etc) to avert him from doing the math. Primus awoke in the TransformersMarvel universe in 1989, and then Unicron traced the awakened Primus noticed that Cybertron was Primus. The Watsonian explanation is a good one too.

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** From the POV of the current canon of a single Unicron and a single Primus across the multiverse, we may consider the release dates rather than the given dates (unless it's treated as a "future timeline" of a current timeline, like the future UK stories). I mean, TransformersTheMovie ''WesternAnimation/TheTransformersTheMovie'' was in 1986, but Unicron didn't know Cybertron was Primus' new form because he couldn't trace the dormant Primus, and there's enough worlds of Transformers (Junk, Paradron, etc) to avert him from doing the math. Primus awoke in the TransformersMarvel universe in 1989, and then Unicron traced the awakened Primus noticed that Cybertron was Primus. The Watsonian explanation is a good one too.
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** This was actually {{Lampshaded}} in a TransformersAnimated short. Turns out even Optimus doesn't know.

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** This was actually {{Lampshaded}} in a TransformersAnimated ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'' short. Turns out even Optimus doesn't know.



* Why do Transformer spaceships have air locks? I was watching TransformersAnimated and I noticed all of the spaceships they used had air locks. This doesn't seem all that useful if they don't have to breathe and have been shown to be able to travel through space with no ill effects.

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* Why do Transformer spaceships have air locks? I was watching TransformersAnimated ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'' and I noticed all of the spaceships they used had air locks. This doesn't seem all that useful if they don't have to breathe and have been shown to be able to travel through space with no ill effects.



* Why is there IDW comics stuff in the Generation 1 entries? It isn't more G1 than the Unicron Trilogy, the live-action movies and TransformersAnimated; all those series replicate the same characters and throw some G1 references into the mix. There's even a few name re-uses as different characters in all of them (Red Alert in the UT, Galvatron in IDW, Scorponok in the 1st movie, Skids in ROTF, Ironhide in Animated, just to name a few). The Dreamwave comic was a modern G1 continuity, ComicBook/TransformersWingsOfHonor is in a G1 continuity (and even then, it has its own entry), Anime/TransformersVictory, WesternAnimation/BeastWars and others are part of G1 and have their own entries due to complexity. Why Transformers IDW doesn't have its own Main and Characters entries? I admit I'm kind of a Gee-Wun and despise most of IDW material, but I really think IDW can't be considered G1 even if you like it.

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* Why is there IDW comics stuff in the Generation 1 entries? It isn't more G1 than the Unicron Trilogy, the live-action movies and TransformersAnimated; ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated''; all those series replicate the same characters and throw some G1 references into the mix. There's even a few name re-uses as different characters in all of them (Red Alert in the UT, Galvatron in IDW, Scorponok in the 1st movie, Skids in ROTF, Ironhide in Animated, just to name a few). The Dreamwave comic was a modern G1 continuity, ComicBook/TransformersWingsOfHonor is in a G1 continuity (and even then, it has its own entry), Anime/TransformersVictory, WesternAnimation/BeastWars and others are part of G1 and have their own entries due to complexity. Why Transformers IDW doesn't have its own Main and Characters entries? I admit I'm kind of a Gee-Wun and despise most of IDW material, but I really think IDW can't be considered G1 even if you like it.
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* Why is there IDW comics stuff in the Generation 1 entries? It isn't more G1 than the Unicron Trilogy, the live-action movies and TransformersAnimated; all those series replicate the same characters and throw some G1 references into the mix. There's even a few name re-uses as different characters in all of them (Red Alert in the UT, Galvatron in IDW, Scorponok in the 1st movie, Skids in ROTF, Ironhide in Animated, just to name a few). The Dreamwave comic was a modern G1 continuity, ComicBook/TransformersWingsOfHonor is in a G1 continuity (and even then, it has its own entry), TransformersVictory, WesternAnimation/BeastWars and others are part of G1 and have their own entries due to complexity. Why Transformers IDW doesn't have its own Main and Characters entries? I admit I'm kind of a Gee-Wun and despise most of IDW material, but I really think IDW can't be considered G1 even if you like it.

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* Why is there IDW comics stuff in the Generation 1 entries? It isn't more G1 than the Unicron Trilogy, the live-action movies and TransformersAnimated; all those series replicate the same characters and throw some G1 references into the mix. There's even a few name re-uses as different characters in all of them (Red Alert in the UT, Galvatron in IDW, Scorponok in the 1st movie, Skids in ROTF, Ironhide in Animated, just to name a few). The Dreamwave comic was a modern G1 continuity, ComicBook/TransformersWingsOfHonor is in a G1 continuity (and even then, it has its own entry), TransformersVictory, Anime/TransformersVictory, WesternAnimation/BeastWars and others are part of G1 and have their own entries due to complexity. Why Transformers IDW doesn't have its own Main and Characters entries? I admit I'm kind of a Gee-Wun and despise most of IDW material, but I really think IDW can't be considered G1 even if you like it.
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*** No, it wouldn't. If some of Megatron's matter was converted to energy (or shuffled into a pocket dimension or whatever), then his mass would decrease as well, since mass is literally "the amount of matter within in an object," barring mass-increasing effects from special relativity. For that [[{{Pun}}matter]], mass-shifting seems intrinsic to Transformers. A car is mostly an empty box, yet Bumblebee and Optimus Prime don't behave like their chests are completely hollow.

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*** No, it wouldn't. If some of Megatron's matter was converted to energy (or shuffled into a pocket dimension or whatever), then his mass would decrease as well, since mass is literally "the amount of matter within in an object," barring mass-increasing effects from special relativity. For that [[{{Pun}}matter]], [[{{Pun}} matter]], mass-shifting seems intrinsic to Transformers. A car is mostly an empty box, yet Bumblebee and Optimus Prime don't behave like their chests are completely hollow.
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*** No, it wouldn't. If some of Megatron's matter was converted to energy (or shuffled into a pocket dimension or whatever), then his mass would decrease as well, since mass is literally "the amount of matter within in an object," barring mass-increasing effects from special relativity. For that [[{{Pun}}matter]], mass-shifting seems intrinsic to Transformers. A car is mostly an empty box, yet Bumblebee and Optimus Prime don't behave like their chests are completely hollow.
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** Well, a decent case could actually be made they they're ''not'' robots, but rather EnergyBeings that happen to be too fragile to survive outside of a protective mechanical shell, since their "soul" and mind are located in the Spark, which is a physical thing often of separate origin from the crunchy robot exteriors.

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*** Which, of course, leads into the matter of Transformer "sexuality". Bar [[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Tidal_Wave#Energon one]], all on-screen romance is between males and females. Given the existence of Transformer romance and given that nearly all of them are male, it's reasonable to assume that numerous male/male romantic relationships exist and are just delicately skipped over by the censors.

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*** Which, of course, leads into the matter of Transformer "sexuality". Bar [[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Tidal_Wave#Energon net/wiki/Tidal_Wave_(Armada)#Energon_cartoon one]], all on-screen romance is between males and females. Given the existence of Transformer romance and given that nearly all of them are male, it's reasonable to assume that numerous male/male romantic relationships exist and are just delicately skipped over by the censors.censors.
****Except the part where, you know, there are no males at all. Cybertronians don't even have sexes, nevermind genders, where humans have two sexes and at least 6 genders, if not the 50+ that some theorists claim. Basically, Cybertronian relationships have nothing to do with sex at all. They don't reproduce sexually, but they are a highly social species which do form relationships that ''look'' romantic to human eyes. Likewise, all of their speech is either translated in to Earth languages or they use an Earth language for the convenience of their human allies when present, so even their own use of sexed/gendered pronouns isn't accurate, because (with the exception of Jhiaxxus' experiments and ''Kiss Players''), those words don't actually exist in Cybertronian languages.
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* Why is there IDW comics stuff in the Generation 1 entries? It isn't more G1 than the Unicron Trilogy, the live-action movies and TransformersAnimated; all those series replicate the same characters and throw some G1 references into the mix. There's even a few name re-uses as different characters in all of them (Red Alert in the UT, Galvatron in IDW, Scorponok in the 1st movie, Skids in ROTF, Ironhide in Animated, just to name a few). The Dreamwave comic was a modern G1 continuity, TransformersWingsOfHonor is in a G1 continuity (and even then, it has its own entry), TransformersVictory, WesternAnimation/BeastWars and others are part of G1 and have their own entries due to complexity. Why Transformers IDW doesn't have its own Main and Characters entries? I admit I'm kind of a Gee-Wun and despise most of IDW material, but I really think IDW can't be considered G1 even if you like it.

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* Why is there IDW comics stuff in the Generation 1 entries? It isn't more G1 than the Unicron Trilogy, the live-action movies and TransformersAnimated; all those series replicate the same characters and throw some G1 references into the mix. There's even a few name re-uses as different characters in all of them (Red Alert in the UT, Galvatron in IDW, Scorponok in the 1st movie, Skids in ROTF, Ironhide in Animated, just to name a few). The Dreamwave comic was a modern G1 continuity, TransformersWingsOfHonor ComicBook/TransformersWingsOfHonor is in a G1 continuity (and even then, it has its own entry), TransformersVictory, WesternAnimation/BeastWars and others are part of G1 and have their own entries due to complexity. Why Transformers IDW doesn't have its own Main and Characters entries? I admit I'm kind of a Gee-Wun and despise most of IDW material, but I really think IDW can't be considered G1 even if you like it.
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**** No gender means "no girls" and "no boys". Technicaly Optimus, Ratchet, Bumblebee and the others are not more male than they are female, we identify they as male because we are socialy conditioned to asign masculine gender to everything that's not explicitly female. But the secondary sexual characteristics we use to identify a character as girl (including voice pitch) are inaplicable to most of earth species (I'm pretty sure you can't find anything specialy "femenine" in, for example, a female [[{{Futurama}} crab]]) let alone to a race of [[StarfishAliens alien giant transforming robots, only vagely humanoid]]. So a robot with [[NonMammalMammaries breasts]], hourglass figure, [[TertiarySexualCharacteristics some contraption in the head imitating hairdo]], and a higher pitch voice, makes little sense, but the Autobots decided to make Arcee this way to meet our preconceptions, only they overdid it. Maybe a little less [[PinkGirlBlueBoy pink]] would have helped, but in fairness I think it would be very hard to make something that is naturaly genderless look "femenine" without it looking "stereotypical femenine". Sometimes you just can't win.

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**** No gender means "no girls" and "no boys". Technicaly Optimus, Ratchet, Bumblebee and the others are not more male than they are female, we identify they as male because we are socialy conditioned to asign masculine gender to everything that's not explicitly female. But the secondary sexual characteristics we use to identify a character as girl (including voice pitch) are inaplicable to most of earth species (I'm pretty sure you can't find anything specialy "femenine" in, for example, a female [[{{Futurama}} [[{{WesternAnimation/Futurama}} crab]]) let alone to a race of [[StarfishAliens alien giant transforming robots, only vagely humanoid]]. So a robot with [[NonMammalMammaries breasts]], hourglass figure, [[TertiarySexualCharacteristics some contraption in the head imitating hairdo]], and a higher pitch voice, makes little sense, but the Autobots decided to make Arcee this way to meet our preconceptions, only they overdid it. Maybe a little less [[PinkGirlBlueBoy pink]] would have helped, but in fairness I think it would be very hard to make something that is naturaly genderless look "femenine" without it looking "stereotypical femenine". Sometimes you just can't win.
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**** You're forgetting that [[AwesomeEgo the amazingly perfect and incredibly marvelous Lieutenant Commander Sky Lynx of the Autobot Third Air Strike Division]] did travel between planets multiple times, like in "Chaos", "Call of The Primitives" and "The Big Broadcast of 2006"; as well as numerous other instances.
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** Besides that, Galvatron has a pretty good group of loyal, high-ranking followers (Cyclonus, Scourge and Soundwave with his cassettes) who would take quite the offense to disloyalty within the ranks of the Decepticons.




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**** Sideswipe was in storyboards, but not in the final movie, Gears may or may not have been on Moonbase One, Trailbreaker was killed in the battle of Autobot City in the storyboards, Grapple is (''very'') briefly seen during the Battle of Autobot City and as for the others, they may not have had time to work them into the movie's script.
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*** Not quite accurate on the ''Beast Wars'' front; the inital beast forms, from what the animations suggest, were a faux skin similar to Pretender shells. Transmetals aren't quite cyborgs, either; they have organic robot modes, but robotic beast modes, not both at the same time. The only cyborg in ''Beast Wars'' was Transmetal-II Cheetor, from what I remember.
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* Are the Transformers really robots? All the material seems to point to them as un-programmed (or programmed by Primus, a deity which doesn't seem to give orders), autonomous, naturally intelligent mechanical beings. Would cyborg be more accuate?

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* Are the Transformers really robots? All the material seems to point to them as un-programmed (or programmed by Primus, a deity which doesn't seem to give orders), autonomous, naturally intelligent mechanical beings. Would cyborg be more accuate?
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**...no. Cyborgs, by definition, have organic parts. The characters in Beast Wars were, Pretenders might be depending on what their shells are actually made from, but the vast majority of Transformers, who aren't specifically modified with organic parts, are not cyborgs. ("Robot" is a poor choice of word for the reasons you state, but until we encounter sapient free-willed mechanical life, [[TranslationConvention human languages are unlikely to develop decent translations for the Cybertronian word for "person"]].)
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* Are the Transformers really robots? All the material seems to point to them as un-programmed (or programmed by Primus, a deity which doesn't seem to give orders), autonomous, naturally intelligent mechanical beings. Would cyborg be more accuate?
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* Where are all the rest of the Autobots (and by extension Decepticons)coming from if they didn't end up on the Ark.
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** Most of the robots mankind has made aren't shaped like humans, the ones built for labor take on a shape akin to whatever we think is most efficient for the job. The original Alt-modes may have been work shapes akin to industrial robots, with the humanoid mode primarily for mobility in bad conditions such as construction sites, as notably a humanoid form can handle pretty much any kind of terrain and pick up any kind of tool where more specialized shapes might have trouble.
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** My understanding was that it wasn't just a little extra protection, the pretender shells made them ''much'' tougher. Second, calling Transformers "building sized" is a slight exaggeration... not your fault, a lot of the comic covers do it, and scale is always a problem as we know. The bad guys have monster-y looking ones because they're supposed to be intimidating. Also, in the Transformers universe, there are plenty of biological lifeforms out there too... some might be Transformer-sized, so a Pretender shell would let you blend in with them. The main reason, though, is that even the comics exist to sell toys, and they told Furman and the rest "Put in Pretenders."
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*** Or ''more'' dangerous. Even G1 implied that Starscream, while having a bad sense of timing and not a lot of guts, was pretty scary smart. He was a scientist before he was a Decepticon, and at one point built an entire combiner team all by himself, a task that it took a bunch of Autobots (including one who ''specialized'' in rebuilding Transformers) to replicate. Megatron's a schemer, but lying underneath the veneer of that is a big dumb brute, essentially. Megatron's power and ruthlessness is scary, Starscream's brain is.
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*** Yup. Generation 1 seemed to have all of the Cybertronian computers that weren't actually Transformers as "dumb" AIs. It could figure out enough to say "Hey, my occupants are screwed up, better initiate disguise and repair protocols" but not enough to go "Hey wait a minute, this occupant wasn't on my roster and his symbol is purple, I better slag his big square butt instead of repairing it". Later franchises, like ''Beast Wars'', had even the Transformers' personal, on-board computers as being smarter.
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** "Framecrusher" just doesn't have the same ring to it.
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** Ironhide probably didn't want to hurt Spike. The rest are because it's a hastily-written toy commercial animated by the cheapest animation sweatshops Asia could provide.

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** Ironhide probably didn't want to hurt Spike.Sparkplug. The rest are because it's a hastily-written toy commercial animated by the cheapest animation sweatshops Asia could provide.
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** Ironhide probably didn't want to hurt Spike. The rest are because it's a hastily-written toy commercial animated by the cheapest animation sweatshops Asia could provide.

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