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** They're last seen in a driverless carriage heading [[DeadFootLeadFoot down a hill]], complaining about the bumpy ride from running over [[HarsherInHindsight the driver's corpse]] as they do. [[LaserGuidedKarma What do you think]] [[MinorInjuryOverreaction happened]]? (...[[DataVampires I could swear I'd done this]] before, down to the last two {{Pot Hole}}s being the same.)
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** They're last seen in a driverless carriage heading [[DeadFootLeadFoot down a hill]], complaining about the bumpy ride from running over [[HarsherInHindsight the driver's corpse]] as they do. [[LaserGuidedKarma What do you think]] [[MinorInjuryOverreaction happened]]? (...[[DataVampires [[Administrivia/DataVampires I could swear I'd done this]] before, down to the last two {{Pot Hole}}s being the same.)
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* During the song explaining her backstory, it was mentioned that after [[spoiler: Barkis]] murdered her, Emily vowed to wait by that tree for her true love to come and set her free. If this was the case, and she spent all of her time beneath that very tree, then how did so many members of the underworld come to learn her story?
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* During the song explaining her backstory, it was mentioned that after [[spoiler: Barkis]] Barkis murdered her, Emily vowed to wait by that tree for her true love to come and set her free. If this was the case, and she spent all of her time beneath that very tree, then how did so many members of the underworld come to learn her story?
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* The fact that the resting spot of Emily's corpse was a relatively short walk away from the village where Victor lived indicates that she probably lived somewhere nearby in life, and [[spoiler: Barkis]] still being alive and at a fit age for marriage implies that Emily's murder couldn't have taken place that long before the film, correct? So shouldn't [[spoiler: Barkis]] still be something of a wanted man when he shows up to attend Victor and Victoria's wedding? If not for running off with their daughter, wouldn't Emily's parents have at least put out word of how he'd stolen all of their family's treasures?
** Emily tried to elope, remember? After her father specifically said she couldn't marry [[spoiler: Lord Barkis]], the two of them just disappearing at the same time with the family valuables makes sense; they probably thought the "lovers" ran away and needed money to start a new life. The family probably disowned Emily for running off with a man they didn't approve of, and trying to arrest the man who ran off with their daughter would mean acknowledging that they couldn't control their own child. It's a bit of a pride thing.
** Emily tried to elope, remember? After her father specifically said she couldn't marry [[spoiler: Lord Barkis]], the two of them just disappearing at the same time with the family valuables makes sense; they probably thought the "lovers" ran away and needed money to start a new life. The family probably disowned Emily for running off with a man they didn't approve of, and trying to arrest the man who ran off with their daughter would mean acknowledging that they couldn't control their own child. It's a bit of a pride thing.
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* The fact that the resting spot of Emily's corpse was a relatively short walk away from the village where Victor lived indicates that she probably lived somewhere nearby in life, and [[spoiler: Barkis]] Barkis still being alive and at a fit age for marriage implies that Emily's murder couldn't have taken place that long before the film, correct? So shouldn't [[spoiler: Barkis]] Barkis still be something of a wanted man when he shows up to attend Victor and Victoria's wedding? If not for running off with their daughter, wouldn't Emily's parents have at least put out word of how he'd stolen all of their family's treasures?
** Emily tried to elope, remember? After her father specifically said she couldn't marry[[spoiler: Lord Barkis]], Barkis, the two of them just disappearing at the same time with the family valuables makes sense; they probably thought the "lovers" ran away and needed money to start a new life. The family probably disowned Emily for running off with a man they didn't approve of, and trying to arrest the man who ran off with their daughter would mean acknowledging that they couldn't control their own child. It's a bit of a pride thing.
** Emily tried to elope, remember? After her father specifically said she couldn't marry
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* If the Everglots were broke, then how they paid Hildegarde and the butler for their services? I don't think these two worked for free, though I agree that Hildegarde would have done it as long she could accompany Victoria...
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* If the Everglots were broke, then how they paid Hildegarde and the butler for their services? I don't think these two worked for free, though I agree that Hildegarde would have done it as long she could accompany Victoria...Victoria...
** It is possible they burned the last of their finances to guarantee Hildegarde and the Butler on their employ for while. The movie itself takes place over a week or so, so we can't really say if this was like the last month they could afford them. This would give added context to their hurry in marrying off Victoria and also to the butler's decision to go ScrewThisImOuttaHere in the climax. It is also possible, of course, that both are just continuing to serve out of a (peerhaps misplaced0 sense of gratitude and obligation.
** It is possible they burned the last of their finances to guarantee Hildegarde and the Butler on their employ for while. The movie itself takes place over a week or so, so we can't really say if this was like the last month they could afford them. This would give added context to their hurry in marrying off Victoria and also to the butler's decision to go ScrewThisImOuttaHere in the climax. It is also possible, of course, that both are just continuing to serve out of a (peerhaps misplaced0 sense of gratitude and obligation.
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** Since Victor is new and everyone is seen to have a bit of fun messing with him, Bonejangles may have been answering him in a roundabout way: Victor is here because of Emily, so Bonejangles tells Victor her story and uses it as an excuse to sing a jive tune while he's at it. By telling him the story of Emily's murder, the obvious follow-up to that is that this is where dead people go, especially since everyone else around them is also clearly dead. Therefore, he's letting Victor put two and two together instead of answering him outright, probably because, again, the lively, undead folk are delighted with the novelty of the timid and very much alive Victor and they can't resist messing with him.
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** Since Victor is new and everyone is seen to have a bit of fun messing with him, Bonejangles may have been answering him in a roundabout way: Victor is here because of Emily, so Bonejangles tells Victor her story and uses it as an excuse to sing a jive tune while he's at it. By telling him the story of Emily's murder, the obvious follow-up to that is that this is must be where dead people go, especially since everyone else around them is also clearly dead. Therefore, he's letting Victor put two and two together instead of answering him outright, probably because, again, because he and the lively, rest of the lively undead folk are delighted with the novelty of the timid and very much alive Victor and they can't resist messing with him.
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** Since Victor is new and everyone is seen to have a bit of fun messing with him, Bonejangles may have been answering him in a roundabout way: Victor is here because of Emily, so Bonejangles tells Victor her story and uses it as an excuse to sing a jive tune while he's at it. By telling him the story of Emily's murder, the obvious follow-up to that is that this is where dead people go, especially since everyone else around them is also clearly dead. Therefore, he's letting Victor put two and two together instead of answering him outright, probably because, again, the lively, undead folk are delighted with the novelty of the timid and very much alive Victor and they can't resist messing with him.
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** I think Barkis [[FakeAristocrat is not actually a lord at all]], and was at the rehearsal solely to pass himself off as one. The story makes note that Victoria's parents don't recognize him, implying that this is suspicious. And he ''is'' a con artist, so it makes sense he would be faking it.
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** They worked themselves into the grave in the terrible working conditions of the Victorian Era. Their unfinished business is taking time to relax and enjoy being alive, or post-alive in this case!
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** Also plausible that Victor has some dead relatives running around, especially considering the time. It seems unlikely at his age his grandparents aren't dead, and Emily seems popular enough among the dead that when she finds a husband they might know and recognize him?
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** Also plausible that Victor has some dead relatives running around, especially considering the time. It seems unlikely at his age his grandparents aren't dead, and Emily seems popular enough among the dead that when she finds a husband they might know and recognize him?him?
* If the Everglots were broke, then how they paid Hildegarde and the butler for their services? I don't think these two worked for free, though I agree that Hildegarde would have done it as long she could accompany Victoria...
* If the Everglots were broke, then how they paid Hildegarde and the butler for their services? I don't think these two worked for free, though I agree that Hildegarde would have done it as long she could accompany Victoria...
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**** It's true that Victor's accidental proposal couldn't possibly be mistaken for a real marriage by any rational person, but Emily is the only one who was there when he practiced his vows. Likely all anyone else in the land of the dead knows is what Emily told them, that Victor said his vows to her "perfectly" and gave her a ring, meaning Bang! they're married. They're all already dead and they aren't getting any younger, who cares if the marriage has witnesses or a pastor or whatever, as long as two people love each other? So that's how they view Victor and Emily's relationship, and that's why they feel Victor is betraying Emily by going to Victoria. Victor iirc never exactly ''explains'' what happened, just that it was "a mistake".
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*** You’re completely minimizing the issue. All Victor did was place a ring on what he thought to be a twig while practicing his vows — I’m pretty sure at no point in history would that be upheld as the grounds for a legal binding marriage. It’s completely ridiculous to take “Marriage can’t be accidental” and extrapolate that to something like this.
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** I was wondering this too. It'd be different if we saw him suggest for Victor to go in the woods or saw him follow Victor there to try to kill him or something but we don't. I can see them not wanting to spoil him as the villain but it's still pretty obvious he's gonna be the villain from the start. Plus again, we don't see him charming the Everglots while Victor's gone he just kinda shows up and leaves randomly.
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** I was wondering this too. It'd be different if we saw him suggest for Victor to go in the woods or saw him follow Victor there to try to kill him or something but we don't. I can see them not wanting to spoil him as the villain but it's still pretty obvious he's gonna be the villain from the start. Plus again, we don't see him charming the Everglots while Victor's gone he just kinda shows up and leaves randomly.randomly.
* When Victor runs from The Ball & Socket and Emily goes looking for him, she calls him by his name... even though the two had just met, AccidentalMarriage or not, and Victor didn't even have a chance to introduce himself (understandably, considering how fast things were going). She also somehow knew that Scraps was Victor's deceased dog, despite that, again, she and Victor had technically just met.
** Considering she knew Scraps and could understand him, it's possible they met at some point and he told her about Victor, who serendipitously happened to be the one to propose to her corpse.
** Also plausible that Victor has some dead relatives running around, especially considering the time. It seems unlikely at his age his grandparents aren't dead, and Emily seems popular enough among the dead that when she finds a husband they might know and recognize him?
* When Victor runs from The Ball & Socket and Emily goes looking for him, she calls him by his name... even though the two had just met, AccidentalMarriage or not, and Victor didn't even have a chance to introduce himself (understandably, considering how fast things were going). She also somehow knew that Scraps was Victor's deceased dog, despite that, again, she and Victor had technically just met.
** Considering she knew Scraps and could understand him, it's possible they met at some point and he told her about Victor, who serendipitously happened to be the one to propose to her corpse.
** Also plausible that Victor has some dead relatives running around, especially considering the time. It seems unlikely at his age his grandparents aren't dead, and Emily seems popular enough among the dead that when she finds a husband they might know and recognize him?
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*What was Lord Barkis's plan when he showed up to the rehearsal? He didn't try to do much to psych out Victor or even charm the Everglots, so what was he trying to do? What would he have done if Victor had came back from the woods/never disappeared in the first place?
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** Barkis might have used a different name - [[FridgeLogic or for that matter, does so with Victoria's parents]], and possibly wears disguises. Also, it appears as quite a bit of time has passed since then, given Emily's young appearance and the obvious age difference between him and Victoria.
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** Barkis might have used a different name - [[FridgeLogic or for that matter, does so with Victoria's parents]], and possibly wears disguises. Also, it appears as quite a bit of time has passed since then, given Emily's young appearance and the obvious age difference between him and Victoria. Her parents may well have passed on.
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** Victoria would never have had a chance- Pastor Galswells' response was quite realistic for the time- any woman spouting such claims would be considered mad and sent home for detainment.
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*** If it wasnt for WordOfGod, I never would of thought of Jack being dead, I thought they were all mostly some form of AnthropomorphicPersonification, all essentially the spirit of halloween, just like the christmastown has a real santa and elves.
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** Poor Emily must be the type to miss the obvious "wait for a dead single guy" and insist on getting married to a living one. As for Bonejangles -- well, all I can say there is that Tim obviously had no idea how popular the guy would get. Must be DannyElfman and his magic voice.
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** Poor Emily must be the type to miss the obvious "wait for a dead single guy" and insist on getting married to a living one. As for Bonejangles -- well, all I can say there is that Tim obviously had no idea how popular the guy would get. Must be DannyElfman Music/DannyElfman and his magic voice.
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* Just before the ''Remains of the Day'' musical number, Victor asks "Who are you? Where am I?". Bonejangles answer with the story of Emily, which Victor didn't ask about, without even so much as, you know, basically telling him he's in the Underworld.
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** Barkis might have used a different name - [[fridgelogic or is now.]] Also, it appears as quite a bit of time has passed since then, given Emily's young appearance and the age difference between him and Victoria.
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** Barkis and Emily never actually got married - their plan was to elope in secret, and as soon as Emily met up with him with her dowry, he killed her before any wedding could take place and took her fortune. Also, it appears as quite a bit of time has passed since then, given Emily's young appearance and the age difference between him and Victoria.
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** Barkis and Emily never actually got married might have used a different name - their plan was to elope in secret, and as soon as Emily met up with him with her dowry, he killed her before any wedding could take place and took her fortune. [[fridgelogic or is now.]] Also, it appears as quite a bit of time has passed since then, given Emily's young appearance and the age difference between him and Victoria.
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*** Barkis and Emily never actually got married - their plan was to elope in secret, and as soon as Emily met up with him with her dowry, he killed her before any wedding could take place and took her fortune. Also, it appears as quite a bit of time has passed since then, given Emily's young appearance and the age difference between him and Victoria.
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*** Barkis and Emily never actually got married - their plan was to elope in secret, and as soon as Emily met up with him with her dowry, he killed her before any wedding could take place and took her fortune. Also, it appears as quite a bit of time has passed since then, given Emily's young appearance and the age difference between him and Victoria.
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** He probably wasn't being serious. He probably needed something to rhyme, and also wanted to emphasize how everybody has decayed over the years. He himself has no ears, but can hear just fine.
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** Both of the above points are true and would probably take care of the matter easily. However, if for some reason that isn't enough, there is a fallback: Victoria can simply have the marriage annulled. The dead rose up in the middle of the wedding dinner and Barkis "vanished" around the same time, so it would be easy for her to petition for an annulment on the grounds of non-consummation. Then, from a legal standpoint, her marriage to Barkis never happened and she would be free to marry Victor.
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** Both of the above points are true and would probably take care of the matter easily. However, if for some reason that isn't enough, there is a fallback: Victoria can simply have the marriage annulled. The dead rose up in the middle of the wedding dinner right after the ceremony and Barkis "vanished" around the same time, so it would be easy for her to petition for an annulment on the grounds of non-consummation. Then, from a legal standpoint, her marriage to Barkis never happened and she would be free to marry Victor.
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** Both of the above points are true and would probably take care of the matter easily. However, if for some reason that isn't enough, there is a fallback: Victoria can simply have the marriage annulled. The dead rose up in the middle of the wedding dinner and Barkis "vanished" around the same time, so it would be easy for her to petition for an annulment on the grounds of non-consummation. Then, from a legal standpoint, her marriage to Barkis never happened and she would be free to marry Victor.
