History Fridge / RedVsBlue

21st Aug '16 8:59:46 PM Knightofbalance
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** [[spoiler: It's been stated that Church dies this time around, he's not coming back. Meaning there will be no Epislon, thus no chance of ever becoming a full AI again.]]
19th Aug '16 8:17:00 PM deltaslug
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* How exactly did the Director know that torturing an AI was the most effective way of getting a viable AI fragment AND that it would need to be paired with someone of a certain psychological profile?
** Did the UNSC have a classified handbook on torturing AI's for the best results either thru an intentional experiment or even by accidental observation? Or did the Director have to pioneer the field himself? I find it hard to believe he'd try to break up his only AI without a proven method. And if the Director did do it himself, he did have AIs and VIs such as FILSS and Vic around. How many AIs did he subject to experimentation before he got it right?
*** Could FILSS's behavior (As mentioned above) also be because of what happened?
** Did Project Freelancer see an entire batch of soldiers get wiped out because of a flawed implantation? Or could even soldiers such as Agent Georgia who died in funny ways be part of a proto-batch that was still under observation before the Alpha fragments were getting installed?
19th Aug '16 12:52:47 PM korben600
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** Also, she could feel abandoned by her brother. All of the "good" guys on the team are pretty close, Wash, York and North all have similar personalities (respecting and caring for their AI, all of them have an actual sense of humor, and none of them really care about their place on the leaderboard (FYI Wash, York, and North care about their spot on the board the least out of everyone, however South is the one who is bumped off of it after the Sarcophagus mission, and according to a later scene with North in the training room, she is at the bottom of the board period ), and get along well (probably related to the fact that they don't care about competing with the others). The other people on the team are a complete and utter mess...
*** Wyoming and Florida doesn't show up enough to interact with anyone
*** Maine is...Maine
*** Carolina doesn't have time for anyone, and is implied to spend all her waking hours training to beat everyone else on the leaderboard. Plus any hope of a relationship with South are destroyed when Carolina takes the AI intended for her.
*** CT seems to have the same problems South does (ie being ignored because of her place on the leaderboard) and South actually reaches out to CT prior to a mission ("Us girls gotta stick together") but then [[Spoiler: CT betrays the whole team and is "axed"]].
*** And then there's Texas. In the locker room scene, Texas and South have a dominance standoff, where South basically has to roll over for Texas, and can't stand up to her, since Texas would kick her ass and she knows it. South is now not only literally below her in the leaderboard but she has to literally pick up her trash (it was South's fault for breaking it, but before Texas showed up, she could break whatever she wanted and her brother and even Carolina would let her do what she wants, so this was probably the first time she was ever forced to restrain herself since she got into Project Freelancer).
** So she literally has no friends at Project Freelancer outside of her brother. Her brother on the other hand has several (Wash, York) and once Theta came around she could have felt neglected now that her brother focused his nurturing side on Theta. Any hope of an AI companion she could confide in was squashed by Carolina taking the one that was slated for her, and Wash's experience practically ending the program. And once her brother sided with Texas over her, (while still having at least one friend, York, by his side) leaving her functionally alone, she might have snapped.
** Oh, and her problem with Theta may be why she was so quick to ditch Delta into the Meta's hands in Season 6. She always wanted an AI, but she had disdain for them because it stole her brother's affections.



* In Season 8 Caboose and Epsilon are able to get into an old Freelancer facility with no trouble because the computer recognizes Church's voice, and the AI in the facility, FILSS follows every one of their commands without question. This seems like really low level security for a top secret military facility, as they're allowed to do tons of things that are extremely dangerous (breaking out Tex's new body, destroying multiple pieces of equipment and firing extremely dangerous weapons willy nilly). It isn't until the next season that we realize that is pretty much exactly what went on at project Freelancer. Agents would use weapons in unauthorized ways and try to kill teammates (Wyoming and Maine nearly kill York in a training exercise because they were using live rounds when it's against regulations and is insanely dangerous) and were even encouraged to do so, the Director (and the other soldiers) would authorize questionable orders to FILSS verbally with no passwords or security (The Director overrides FILSS's safety protocols regarding sending an ordinance pod to Texas by saying "Just fire it FILSS", so apparently his voice alone is an override), and FILSS doesn't automatically do what she can to stop their fight ("Are you sure you don't want to activate standard safety protocols?") because she has been reprogrammed to question her superiors as little as possible (she allows a lot of things to happen that honestly shouldn't be allowed on a ship, like live fire demonstrations of untested military equipment (North's first test with Theta and the bubble shield that had previously worked once, and had a .01% chance of success), orbital bombardment of an inhabited city, and has fired on herself (York got the Mother of Invention to shoot itself which caused it to crash)). Honestly, it's a wonder she even suggested immobilizing the Reds, Blues, and Texas, she probably figured it was some kind of sick game.



* Caboose's stupidity is generally played for laughs, but it turns ino both this and Fridge Sadness when you look back at season 1. In his initial appearance, Caboose was not nearly as dumb as he is currently. He expressed the capabilities to be lwed (calling Church's girlfriend a cow/ expressing sexual desires for Sheila, though that last one may actually be Omega expressing sexual desires) and getting angry at Sheila for killing Church. He genuinely regretted his first Team Kill, and strongly desired to make amends. Now, he apparently has completely forgotten how reproduction works (his confusion when Junior came around) and generally doesn't care/acknowlage when he commits friendly fire (Shooting Private Jones in the back and nearly killing South when told she was on their side). A big difference. Like I said, he was somewhat normal upon his introduction. However, he was shortly infected by Omega. And then he was subsequently entered by Tex and Church while Omega was still rooting around in his head. Now, Carolina nearly killed herself by having two AI's, relatively minor and weak ones at that, in her at once. Omega and Tex were some of the smartest [[spoiler:A.I. splinters, and Church was the Alpha.]] It would be pretty much impossible for him to survive this experience without some mental damage. This, and multiple other examples such as being locked in his armor with no access to outside air for two days, several forced A.I. Ejections (like the one that nearly drove Wash over the edge), the battle between three A.I.'s in his head, and allegedly consuming gasoline, all suggest Caboose has permanent brain damage. Essentially, his time in Blood Gulch drove him from a somewhat dumb, but semi-normal person into a man utterly devorced from reality and entirely dependent on Church or the closest thing that he thinks resembles Church.

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* Caboose's stupidity is generally played for laughs, but it turns ino into both this and Fridge Sadness when you look back at season 1. In his initial appearance, Caboose was not nearly as dumb as he is currently. He expressed the capabilities to be lwed (calling Church's girlfriend a cow/ expressing sexual desires for Sheila, though that last one may actually be Omega expressing sexual desires) and getting angry at Sheila for killing Church. He genuinely regretted his first Team Kill, and strongly desired to make amends. Now, he apparently has completely forgotten how reproduction works (his confusion when Junior came around) and generally doesn't care/acknowlage when he commits friendly fire (Shooting Private Jones in the back and nearly killing South when told she was on their side). A big difference. Like I said, he was somewhat normal upon his introduction. However, he was shortly infected by Omega. And then he was subsequently entered by Tex and Church while Omega was still rooting around in his head. Now, Carolina nearly killed herself by having two AI's, relatively minor and weak ones at that, in her at once. Omega and Tex were some of the smartest [[spoiler:A.I. splinters, and Church was the Alpha.]] It would be pretty much impossible for him to survive this experience without some mental damage. This, and multiple other examples such as being locked in his armor with no access to outside air for two days, several forced A.I. Ejections (like the one that nearly drove Wash over the edge), the battle between three A.I.'s in his head, and allegedly consuming gasoline, all suggest Caboose has permanent brain damage. Essentially, his time in Blood Gulch drove him from a somewhat dumb, but semi-normal person into a man utterly devorced from reality and entirely dependent on Church or the closest thing that he thinks resembles Church.
2nd Aug '16 3:32:40 PM TheGracefullyWicked
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** Aren't they just a spoof of the multiplayer?
1st Aug '16 3:32:53 AM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* So, in regards to the recent revelation from episode 16, many were surprised. One can, however, be spoiled of it in episode 15. '''Of Season 9'''. Yes, one could discover the contents of the Sarcophagus from before Season 10 began. This can be done by looking on the box. [[http://www.gophoto.it/view.php?i=http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111011020030/rvb/images/2/29/The_Sarcophagus.png#.UGo_X1GJPAk this is a clear image of the front of the box.]] Now, some might find the marks on it to be...familiar. [[http://www.gophoto.it/view.php?i=http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091009211439/halo/images/c/c9/DotSymbol.jpg#.UGo-tFGJPAk Does this look familiar?]] for those who don't know what this is, it is [[spoiler:the mark left by the Huragok, otherwise known to humans as Engineers.]] Yes, the [=RvB=] team just hid one of the greatest secrets of the series right under everyone's noses, and even used previously known Halo lore to back it up!

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* So, in regards to the recent revelation from episode 16, many were surprised. One can, however, be spoiled of it in episode 15. '''Of Season 9'''. Yes, one could discover the contents of the Sarcophagus from before Season 10 began. This can be done by looking on the box. [[http://www.gophoto.it/view.php?i=http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111011020030/rvb/images/2/29/The_Sarcophagus.png#.UGo_X1GJPAk this is a clear image of the front of the box.]] Now, some might find the marks on it to be...familiar. [[http://www.gophoto.it/view.php?i=http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091009211439/halo/images/c/c9/DotSymbol.jpg#.UGo-tFGJPAk Does this look familiar?]] for those who don't know what this is, it is [[spoiler:the mark left by the Huragok, otherwise known to humans as Engineers.]] Yes, the [=RvB=] team just hid one of the greatest secrets of the series right under everyone's noses, and even used previously known Halo ''Halo'' lore to back it up!



* Rampancy in the Halo universe is caused by a smart AI learning too much and becoming overwhelmed by its own thought processes, with metastability as the theoretical state in which an AI prevents this by learning to overcome the problem of over-learning (literally stable on a meta level). So it actually makes perfect sense that Epsilon!Church has become metastable. He's learned to let go of old thoughts.

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* Rampancy in the Halo ''Halo'' universe is caused by a smart AI learning too much and becoming overwhelmed by its own thought processes, with metastability as the theoretical state in which an AI prevents this by learning to overcome the problem of over-learning (literally stable on a meta level). So it actually makes perfect sense that Epsilon!Church has become metastable. He's learned to let go of old thoughts.



* Not sure if this counts as Fridge Brilliance or something else. But in Texas theme song from the soundtrack "On your knees" Practically every state/agent is mentioned being thrashed by Texas...Except Florida. Why is this brilliant? Because Florida both the state and the agent was erased from the Halo Universe officially.

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* Not sure if this counts as Fridge Brilliance or something else. But in Texas theme song from the soundtrack "On your knees" Practically every state/agent is mentioned being thrashed by Texas...Except Florida. Why is this brilliant? Because Florida both the state and the agent was erased from the Halo ''Halo'' Universe officially.



* Sister, unlike the rest of the show since Season 11, is not shown in the Halo 4 engine, but instead in the Halo 2 Anniversary Edition one - due to the presence of Blood Gulch in the multiplayer of that game and that the last time we saw Sister, she'd been left behind in Blood Gulch, while everyone else left, and have upgraded their armor twice. Sister's still in the old armor because she never left Blood Gulch and was never issued new armor.

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* Sister, unlike the rest of the show since Season 11, is not shown in the Halo 4 ''Halo 4'' engine, but instead in the Halo ''Halo 2 Anniversary Anniversary'' Edition one - due to the presence of Blood Gulch in the multiplayer of that game and that the last time we saw Sister, she'd been left behind in Blood Gulch, while everyone else left, and have upgraded their armor twice. Sister's still in the old armor because she never left Blood Gulch and was never issued new armor.



* According to ''{{Halo}}'' [[AllThereInTheManual lore]], the ability to wield an energy sword is considered so impressive in elite society that anyone who can master one can mate with any female they desire. [[CasanovaWannabe Tucker can't pick up women to save his life,]] [[MrSeahorse but he does get chosen to be impregnated with an elite parasite, specifically because he had his sword!]]
* [[spoiler: In ''The End'' the Reds and Blues are taking the alien gear and elite weaponry from the Chairman's museum. Simmons, seemingly against all logic, grabs a simple pistol. According to the DVD commentary, though, it wasn't just any gun: it was the notoriously O.P. HaloCombatEvolved pistol!]]

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* According to ''{{Halo}}'' ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'' [[AllThereInTheManual lore]], the ability to wield an energy sword is considered so impressive in elite society that anyone who can master one can mate with any female they desire. [[CasanovaWannabe Tucker can't pick up women to save his life,]] [[MrSeahorse but he does get chosen to be impregnated with an elite parasite, specifically because he had his sword!]]
* [[spoiler: In ''The End'' the Reds and Blues are taking the alien gear and elite weaponry from the Chairman's museum. Simmons, seemingly against all logic, grabs a simple pistol. According to the DVD commentary, though, it wasn't just any gun: it was the notoriously O.P. HaloCombatEvolved VideoGame/HaloCombatEvolved pistol!]]



* It's revealed eventually that Church is not a ghost like he thinks, but is instead the Alpha. Now, the Alpha is a "smart" AI, one that is subject to side effects from the Halo Universe. All AI's eventually turn to rampancy. Church is living on a set amount of time unless there's something preventing it.

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* It's revealed eventually that Church is not a ghost like he thinks, but is instead the Alpha. Now, the Alpha is a "smart" AI, one that is subject to side effects from the Halo ''Halo'' Universe. All AI's eventually turn to rampancy. Church is living on a set amount of time unless there's something preventing it.



* If [=AIs=] are created the same way in [=RvB=] as in Halo, the Director would have had to [[spoiler: flash-clone himself and then kill the clone to create Alpha.]]

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* If [=AIs=] are created the same way in [=RvB=] as in Halo, ''Halo'', the Director would have had to [[spoiler: flash-clone himself and then kill the clone to create Alpha.]]



** Also worth noting that Halsey already did this when she created Cortana

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** Also worth noting that Halsey already did this when she created CortanaCortana.



* So the Director "kept trying" to [[spoiler:recreate Alison, enough times to build a small army of "her" (I use the term loosely). So, was he working from copies of Beta, or did he keep recreating Alpha until he could get what he wanted? In Halo you make an AI by MURDERING A FLASH CLONE OF YOURSELF. So how many times did he commit sorta suicide. And if it's the latter, ''what did he do with the leftovers?'' If the brain is the only part needed to make an AI and no mention of how he ever got food is given ...]]

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* So the Director "kept trying" to [[spoiler:recreate Alison, enough times to build a small army of "her" (I use the term loosely). So, was he working from copies of Beta, or did he keep recreating Alpha until he could get what he wanted? In Halo ''Halo'' you make an AI by MURDERING A FLASH CLONE OF YOURSELF. So how many times did he commit sorta suicide. And if it's the latter, ''what did he do with the leftovers?'' If the brain is the only part needed to make an AI and no mention of how he ever got food is given ...]]



** Halo spoiler: [[spoiler: Perhaps they could have even saved Cortana.]]

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** Halo ''Halo'' spoiler: [[spoiler: Perhaps they could have even saved Cortana.]]



*** Halo affects [=RvB=], but not the other way around (unfortunately).
*** Well, it's all a what-if anyway. The Director could've helped Cortana if he was a good guy, but he wasn't and he went crazy and killed himself, so he wouldn't help Cortana, even if 343 decided to pull a Canon Immigrant [[spoiler:Besides, there's tons of other canonical ways that Cortana can come back to life for Halo 5, but that's a subject for WMG.]]

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*** Halo ''Halo'' affects [=RvB=], but not the other way around (unfortunately).
*** Well, it's all a what-if anyway. The Director could've helped Cortana if he was a good guy, but he wasn't and he went crazy and killed himself, so he wouldn't help Cortana, even if 343 decided to pull a Canon Immigrant [[spoiler:Besides, there's tons of other canonical ways that Cortana can come back to life for Halo 5, ''Halo 5'', but that's a subject for WMG.]]
24th Jul '16 6:13:09 PM streakson22
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** Additionally, what company hired Locus and Felix for the mission on this planet? '''C'''haron Industries.
24th Jul '16 5:56:15 PM streakson22
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* I just realized something that may be veering into [[InsaneTrollLogic Insane Troll Logic]], but I think it was intentional on the creators' part. When you first meet [[spoiler: Felix and Locus]], they're wearing orange and green respectively, colors that derive from red and blue. But to make orange and green, you need to mix in the same color for both: Yellow. Why is this important? Because [[spoiler: even though they're on opposite sides (Red/Federal Army vs. Blue/New Republic) they still work for a third party (Yellow/Charon Industries!)]]

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* I just realized something that may be veering into [[InsaneTrollLogic Insane Troll Logic]], but I think it was intentional on the creators' part. When you first meet [[spoiler: Felix and Locus]], they're wearing orange and green respectively, colors that derive from red and blue. But to make orange and green, you need to mix in the same color for both: Yellow. Why is this important? Because [[spoiler: even though they're on opposite sides (Red/Federal Army vs. Blue/New Republic) they still work for a third party (Yellow/Charon Industries!)]]Industries!) In fact, the Charon Industries logo is yellow!]]
24th Jul '16 6:37:44 AM WolfofBlades
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* In Season 14 all of Locus' and Felix's Backstory Episodes start with the letter C, like: '''C'''lub, '''C'''all & '''C'''onsequences. Where do both of them ultimately end up in? The far away planet known as '''C'''horus.
24th Jul '16 1:03:19 AM BeardedSquirtle
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* I just realized something that may be veering into [[InsaneTrollLogic Insane Troll Logic]], but I think it was intentional on the creators' part. When you first meet [[spoiler: Felix and Locus]], they're wearing orange and green respectively, colors that derive from red and blue. But to make orange and green, you need to mix in the same color for both: Yellow. Why is this important? Because [[spoiler: even though they're on opposite sides (Red/Federal Army vs. Blue/New Republic) they still work for a third party (Yellow/Charon Industries!)]]
10th Jul '16 2:01:42 PM passivesmoking
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* Locus is so far the only character to understand Lopez properly. Turns out that Locus' real name is [[spoiler: Sam Cortez, suggesting a bloodline that traces back to Spanish/Mexican roots]]. That name was dropped quite casually during season 14 so it took a while for that particular nugget to sink in but we finally get an explanation as to why Locus is bilingual.
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