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** Gai ''was'' sent on a mission, completed it, and ran back to learn the result of Lee's surgery. Lee, for his part, was not sent to help bring back Sasuke, he basically woke up from Surgery, presumably got some kind of update on the Sasuke situation, and actually ''escaped the hospital'' to go after the Genin. Part of the drama about Lee going to help Naruto was precisely the fact that he was supposed to be recovering from surgery and resume training the next day. But, like basically every male pre-teen in that village, he has more determination to be the strongest ninja ever than sense and decided that the moment he got out of surgery was the perfect time to go off and join an insanely perilous mission.
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* The Akimichi clan jutsu are known things ("secret" seems to mean "they don't teach it" not "no one knows about it"), and Choza Akimichi was part of a well-known team, who would likely have quite a few victories to his name. Even the kids of Naruto's generation should know that the Akimichi clan jutsus are incredibly powerful, that one of said jutsus is the ability to convert calories to chakra (presumably at a much higher rate than usual), and that they 'have' to eat a lot 'because' of their jutsu. So why in the hell do all of Choji's peers give him so much crap for being a kind of chubby kid? I know full well that kids can be little punks, and don't necessarily have the best reasoning capabilities, but even then, these kids should be fully aware of the reason Choji is always eating, and 'what he can do' because he's always eating.

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* The Akimichi clan jutsu are known things ("secret" seems to mean "they don't teach it" not "no one knows about it"), and Choza Akimichi was part of a well-known team, who would likely have quite a few victories to his name. Even the kids of Naruto's generation should know that the Akimichi clan jutsus are incredibly powerful, that one of said jutsus is the ability to convert calories to chakra (presumably at a much higher rate than usual), and that they 'have' ''have'' to eat a lot 'because' ''because'' of their jutsu. So why in the hell do all of Choji's peers give him so much crap for being a kind ''kind of chubby chubby'' kid? I know full well that kids can be little punks, and don't necessarily have the best reasoning capabilities, but even then, these kids should be fully aware of the reason Choji is always eating, and 'what ''what he can do' do'' because he's always eating.
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* The Akimichi clan jutsu are known things ("secret" seems to mean "they don't teach it" not "no one knows about it"), and Choza Akimichi was part of a well-known team, who would likely have quite a few victories to his name. Even the kids of Naruto's generation should know that the Akimichi clan jutsus are incredibly powerful, that one of said jutsus is the ability to convert calories to chakra (presumably at a much higher rate than usual), and that they 'have' to eat a lot 'because' of their jutsu. So why in the hell do all of Choji's peers give him so much crap for being a kind of chubby kid? I know full well that kids can be little punks, and don't necessarily have the best reasoning capabilities, but even then, these kids should be fully aware of the reason Choji is always eating, and 'what he can do' because he's always eating.
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** While Sasuke is definitely suffering from some form of emotional/personality disorder, delusional disorder is a pretty poor pick, and the evidence for it is pretty weak. To break down the reasons why, using the list referenced above:
### The patient expresses an idea or belief with unusual persistence or force. Sasuke's beliefs are normal, natural reactions to the various tragic events in his life and his perception of them, from his conviction to getting revenge on Itachi to his turning on the Leaf and eventually wanting to reform the entire ninja world.
### That idea appears to exert an undue influence on the patient's life, and the way of life is often altered to an inexplicable extent. This is talking in context of a delusional idea that has no foundational basis in the real world. However, all of Sasuke's beliefs are firmly planted in reality and take into consideration real facts and information he has at that time. Sasuke's motivated and dedicated to revenge, which eventually turns into a desire to reform the world, and his focus and fixation on that are simply a result of his conviction.
### Despite his/her profound conviction, there is often a quality of secretiveness or suspicion when the patient is questioned about it. Sasuke never once tries to hide what it is he's after. From the very first chapter, he states his desire to kill Itachi. When Sasuke finds out the truth, and later attacks the Five Kage Summit, he states multiple times he wishes to destroy the Leaf. After he shows up during the war arc, he outright declares his desire to become Hokage, and later explains to Naruto EXACTLY what he intends to do to reform the ninja world.
### The individual tends to be humorless and oversensitive, especially about the belief. Sasuke's always been a consistently humorless character, as well as severely socially/emotionally stunted. Childhood trauma tends to do that. There's no specific focus on his beliefs or desires. He's just a dry character.
### There is a quality of centrality: no matter how unlikely it is that these strange things are happening to him, the patient accepts them relatively unquestioningly. Once again, the context of this is about an actual delusion, which Sasuke doesn't have. All his beliefs are real and centered around real facts. Every "strange" thing that happens to him actually happens to him.
### An attempt to contradict the belief is likely to arouse an inappropriately strong emotional reaction, often with irritability and hostility. I mean, this one's fair, but only because Sasuke is a character with strong conviction and motivation, not because he's delusional.
### The belief is, at the least, unlikely, and out of keeping with the patient's social, cultural and religious background. Sasuke's beliefs are, in order: Itachi is evil because he killed the entire Uchiha clan. Then the Leaf is evil because internal corruption and conflict forced Itachi to kill the entire Uchiha clan to prevent a coup. THEN the entire shinobi world is inherently flawed because the entire system lends itself to conflict and violence that breeds more revenge and violence and needs to be reformed. All of these beliefs are 100% understandable given the information Sasuke has at the time, the latter two are based in actual fact and multiple characters INCLUDING NARUTO agree that the world needs to be reformed, and it's only how Sasuke wishes to accomplish this that Naruto has a problem with.
### The patient is emotionally over-invested in the idea and it overwhelms other elements of their psyche. I really can't argue with this one, but once again, taking context into account, clearly this is just Sasuke being poorly adjusted due to other emotional instabilities, not delusion.
### The delusion, if acted out, often leads to behaviors which are abnormal and/or out of character, although perhaps understandable in the light of the delusional beliefs. Once again, Sasuke's not delusional. Everything he believes is grounded in either real events he witnessed or true information other people told him after the fact.
### Individuals who know the patient observe that the belief and behavior are uncharacteristic and alien. Literally the point of Naruto's desire to save Sasuke stems from a fundamental understanding that Sasuke is just misguided, not delusional. No one questions why Sasuke wants to kill his brother, or later why Sasuke wants to reform the world, it's only his methods for doing so that are called into question because they lean towards a fundamental conflict that is called into question MULTIPLE TIMES by MULTIPLE CHARACTERS throughout the series, particularly the last arcs. Delusional disorder describes a mental condition that stems from a fundamental lack of understanding of the real world. A breakdown in the ability to separate mental narratives from real life. Sasuke might not be the most mentally stable character, but everything he believes is grounded in the best information and knowledge he has at the time, and while his personal ways of handling and coping with the beliefs he holds is extreme and at times borders on downright radical, his ultimate conviction by the end of the series that the ninja world was fumdamentally flawed and needed to be changed was something that MULTIPLE CHARACTERS understood as fact and the conflict was merely born from the various ways each individual tried to "solve" this problem, with Naruto's idealist view ultimately coming out on top.
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** Shisui wanted to change the hearts of people and got the ability to force them to change their mind.

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** Shisui wanted to change the hearts of people and got the ability to force them to change their mind.mind in Kotoamatsukami.
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* The Hyuga clan is divided into a Main and a Branch family, why was Hinata or Hanabi never considered a Branch family member? Hiashi's brother was considered one from birth and Neji got his curse seal before he turned ten so why was Hanabi never given one or Hinata once she was passed over as Heiress in favor of her sister? Because they are girls. Only males can create a Branch family this is true even today when you look at the Japanese Imperial family. Only male members can create a cadet branch female members give up all titles and positions when they get married and are no longer considered to be members of the royal family. The same is probably true for the Hyuga, women of the main family stay a part of the main family until they get married, even then their children would not be considered Hyuga branch family members but members of whatever family she married into.

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* The Hyuga clan is divided into a Main and a Branch family, why was Hinata or Hanabi never considered a Branch family member? Hiashi's brother was considered one from birth and Neji got his curse seal before he turned ten so why was Hanabi never given one or Hinata once she was passed over as Heiress in favor of her sister? Because they are girls. Only males can create a Branch family this is true even today when you look at the Japanese Imperial family. Only male members can create a cadet branch because female members give up all titles and positions when they get married and are no longer considered to be members of the royal family. The same is probably true for the Hyuga, women of the main family stay a part of the main family until they get married, even then their children would not be considered Hyuga branch family members but members of whatever family she married into.
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** Second hokage made a terrible (as in sad and partly nightmare fuel technique). In Orochimaru using said technique he stopped the hokages of the past from being used against the nations army. (As it was shown that Madara also knows how to use this technique saved himself from getting neutralized. It was always in the plans to for him to use this technique.)

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** Second hokage made a terrible (as in sad and partly nightmare fuel technique).fuel) technique. In Orochimaru using said technique he stopped the hokages of the past from being used against the nations army. (As it was shown that Madara also knows how to use this technique saved himself from getting neutralized. It was always in the plans to for him to use this technique.)
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* The Hyuga clan is divided into a Main and a Branch family, why was Hinata or Hanabi never considered a Branch family member? Hiashi's brother was considered one from birth and Neji got his curse seal before he turned ten so why was Hanabi never given one or Hinata once she was passed over as Heiress in favor of her sister? Because they are girls. Only males can create a Branch family this is true even today when you look at the Japanese Imperial family. Only male members can create a cadet branch female members give up all titles and positions when they get married and are no longer considered to be members of the royal family. The same is probably true for the Hyuga, women of the main family stay a part of the main family until they get married, even then their children would not be considered Hyuga branch family members but members of whatever family she married into.
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*** Pretty much confirmed in Chapter 671. [[spoiler: Hashirama and Naruto are both reincarnations of Ashura, the Senju/Uzumaki ancestor son of the Rikudo Sennin.]]

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*** Pretty much confirmed in Chapter 671. [[spoiler: Hashirama and Naruto are both reincarnations of Ashura, Asura, the Senju/Uzumaki ancestor son of the Rikudo Sennin.]]




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* When Naruto finally catches up with Sasuke, they are both standing on the statues of two important shinobi: Naruto is standing on the statue of the First Hokage, Hashirama Senju, and Sasuke is standing on the statue of the man who helped the First build the Leaf Village (who at that point was unnamed) Madara Uchiha. [[spoiler: Naruto and Sasuke are reincarnations of Hashirama and Madara, and are standing on the statues of their previous incarnations.]]
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!! Hidan & Kakazu Arc
* From a lot of people in the fandom, they say that Shikamaru killing Hidan created a BrokenAesop in the story; however I feel that not’s quiet true at all. To start with, Asuma never asked Shikamaru, Choji and Ino to get revenge for him, he asked them to “protect the next generation” aka protect Kurenai and her child but that saying could be easily misinterpreted by Shikamaru, Ino and Choji. Secondly in the battle with Hidan, we discovered that even with his head cut of Hidan could still talk and function without a body which means that Hidan could be easily is capture and interrogated and in that case Hidan really isn’t that much of threat in comparison to Kakazu. Thirdly Kakashi was only there so that he can protect them from doing something stupid, Shikamaru was the one that ultimately in charge and he was the one that left Ino, Choji, and Kakashi alone with Kakazu (who is arguably more dangerous than his partner) which is kinda reckless in some sense. Fourthly, I also find it weird that Asuma ghost showed up when Shikamaru was about to kill Hidan but it’s possible that this ghost is in Shikamaru head of what Shikamaru “believes” Asuma wanted (much like how Sasuke believes that killing everyone in Konoha is what the Uchiha Clan wanted). Anyway my major point that the Hidan and Kakazu arc is one of the important arc in the series and the reason is that if Shikamaru had captured Hidan(through decapitation) and gain information from him, every tragic event that happens afterwards could been avoided or stop for example
** They could have learned where the Akatsuki bases were located, who are the members and their associates and who is in charge of the organization. They would then learn that the Akatsuki base would be in the hidden rain village and prepare for an invasion force earlier on and thus Jiraiya would still be alive and the attack on Konoha would have been avoided.
** They would also gain the knowledge of where Itachi and therefore Sasuke are and instead of running around in the purist of Itachi arc. If they could capture Itachi then they would be able to learn the full truth about the Uchiha massacre. They would also lend to Sasuke’s goal to have more (or less depending on how you interpret the character) weight.
** Capturing Hidan would also mean learning how many bijuu and jinchūriki are left and learning their locates and possibility helping them out or in the case of the bijuu ether capturing it, sealing it away forever or straight out killing it. They could also use this info to warn the other villages about their jinchūriki about to be taken (if they even care or too afraid to help him/her). But ultimately it would halt, completely stop the Akatsuki plan entirely or make things more difficult for them.

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!! Hidan & Kakazu Kakuzu Arc
* From a lot of people in the fandom, they say that Shikamaru killing Hidan created a BrokenAesop in the story; however I feel that not’s quiet true at all. To start with, Asuma never asked Shikamaru, Choji and Ino to get revenge for him, he asked them to “protect the next generation” aka protect Kurenai and her child but that saying could be easily misinterpreted by Shikamaru, Ino and Choji. Secondly in the battle with Hidan, we discovered that even with his head cut of Hidan could still talk and function without a body which means that Hidan could be could've been easily is capture captured and interrogated interrogated, and in that case case, Hidan really isn’t that much of threat in comparison to Kakazu. Thirdly Kakuzu. Thirdly, Kakashi was only there so that he can could protect them from doing something stupid, Shikamaru was the one that ultimately in charge and he was the one that left Ino, Choji, and Kakashi alone with Kakazu Kakuzu (who is was arguably more dangerous than his partner) which is was kinda reckless in some sense. Fourthly, I also find it weird that Asuma Asuma's ghost showed up when Shikamaru was about to kill Hidan Hidan, but it’s possible that this ghost is was in Shikamaru head of ShikamarShikamaru was what Shikamaru “believes” “believed” Asuma wanted (much like how Sasuke believes believed that killing everyone in Konoha is what the Uchiha Clan wanted). Anyway Anyway, my major point that the Hidan and Kakazu Kakuzu arc is one of the important arc arcs in the series and the reason is that if Shikamaru had captured Hidan(through Hidan (through decapitation) and gain gained information from him, every tragic event that happens happened afterwards could been avoided or stop for example
** They could have learned where the Akatsuki bases were located, who are the members were, and their associates and who is was in charge of the organization. They would have then learn learned that the Akatsuki base would be was in the hidden rain village Hidden Rain Village and prepare prepared for an invasion force earlier on and thus Jiraiya would still be alive and the attack on Konoha would have been avoided.
** They would also gain have gained the knowledge of where Itachi and therefore Sasuke are were and instead of running around in the purist Pursuit of Itachi arc. If they could capture have captured Itachi then they would be have been able to learn the full truth about the Uchiha massacre. They This would have also lend to Sasuke’s goal to have lent more (or less less, depending on how you interpret the character) weight.weight to Sasuke's goalhave.
** Capturing Hidan would also mean have meant learning how many bijuu and jinchūriki are were left and learning their locates locations and possibility helping them out or in the case of the bijuu ether either capturing it, sealing it away forever or straight out killing it. They could have also use used this info to warn the other villages about their jinchūriki about to be taken (if they even care cared or weren't too afraid to help him/her). But ultimately it would halt, have completely stop stopped the Akatsuki Akatsuki's plan entirely or make made things more difficult for them.
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* Why was that Rain ninja so obsessed with Team 7? Because he's under orders from Pain to secure the Kyuubi Jinchuriki, or at least to identify him and survey his power. The Rain village has no more interest in these exams than do Sand or Sound, but their goals are different. Of course, neither the Hokage nor the proctors are aware that Rain is under the control of the Akatsuki, or that the Akatsuki is an international threat.

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* Why was that Rain ninja so obsessed with Team 7? Because he's under orders from Pain to secure the Kyuubi Jinchuriki, jinchūriki, or at least to identify him and survey his power. The Rain village has no more interest in these exams than do Sand or Sound, but their goals are different. Of course, neither the Hokage nor the proctors are aware that Rain is under the control of the Akatsuki, or that the Akatsuki is an international threat.



** To further appreciate this comparison, in between the incident with Sakura in this arc and the incident with Hinata in the Invasion of Pain arc, Naruto's seal had gradually been weakening over time. Minato strengthened the seal ''after'' Naruto almost released the Kyuubi, and as stated above, the only reason Naruto nearly released the Kyuubi was because he saw Hinata get hurt. This means that, in a very dark way, had Hinata not tried to help Naruto, Naruto would not have gone berserk, which meant that he would not have been able to meet Minato -- keep in mind that Minato planned for his spirit to visit Naruto ''specifically'' in case the Kyuubi ever gained that much influence over him -- nor would Naruto have learned some enlightening information about his parents, why he was made a jinchuriki, and what he was meant to do. One would think that because the seal was very weak when Naruto went berserk, Six-Tailed and/or Eight-Tailed Kyuubi-Naruto would have definitely killed Hinata during his skirmish against Pain, which explains why he was so worried about her after Katsuyu told him what happened. In retrospect, the fact that [[PlotArmor Naruto managed to not harm Hinata any further or even come close to killing her]] when he was in his Six-Tailed and Eight-Tailed states and the seal was a lot weaker, unlike how he almost killed Sakura when he was just in his Four-Tailed state and the seal was a lot stronger, speaks volumes in the vast differences between his [[LovingAShadow "feelings"]] for [[LikeBrotherAndSister Sakura]] and, as was made clear from the {{canon}} movie ''[[Anime/TheLastNarutoTheMovie The Last]]'' onward, his underlying love for [[OneTrueLove Hinata]].

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** To further appreciate this comparison, in between the incident with Sakura in this arc and the incident with Hinata in the Invasion of Pain arc, Naruto's seal had gradually been weakening over time. Minato strengthened the seal ''after'' Naruto almost released the Kyuubi, and as stated above, the only reason Naruto nearly released the Kyuubi was because he saw Hinata get hurt. This means that, in a very dark way, had Hinata not tried to help Naruto, Naruto would not have gone berserk, which meant that he would not have been able to meet Minato -- keep in mind that Minato planned for his spirit to visit Naruto ''specifically'' in case the Kyuubi ever gained that much influence over him -- nor would Naruto have learned some enlightening information about his parents, why he was made a jinchuriki, jinchūriki, and what he was meant to do. One would think that because the seal was very weak when Naruto went berserk, Six-Tailed and/or Eight-Tailed Kyuubi-Naruto would have definitely killed Hinata during his skirmish against Pain, which explains why he was so worried about her after Katsuyu told him what happened. In retrospect, the fact that [[PlotArmor Naruto managed to not harm Hinata any further or even come close to killing her]] when he was in his Six-Tailed and Eight-Tailed states and the seal was a lot weaker, unlike how he almost killed Sakura when he was just in his Four-Tailed state and the seal was a lot stronger, speaks volumes in the vast differences between his [[LovingAShadow "feelings"]] for [[LikeBrotherAndSister Sakura]] and, as was made clear from the {{canon}} movie ''[[Anime/TheLastNarutoTheMovie The Last]]'' onward, his underlying love for [[OneTrueLove Hinata]].



** Capturing Hidan would also mean learning how many bijou and jinchuriki are left and learning their locates and possibility helping them out or in the case of the Bijou ether capturing it, sealing it away forever or straight out killing it. They could also use this info to warn the other villages about their jinchuriki about to be taken (if they even care or too afraid to help him/her). But ultimately it would halt, completely stop the Akatsuki plan entirely or make things more difficult for them.

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** Capturing Hidan would also mean learning how many bijou bijuu and jinchuriki jinchūriki are left and learning their locates and possibility helping them out or in the case of the Bijou bijuu ether capturing it, sealing it away forever or straight out killing it. They could also use this info to warn the other villages about their jinchuriki jinchūriki about to be taken (if they even care or too afraid to help him/her). But ultimately it would halt, completely stop the Akatsuki plan entirely or make things more difficult for them.



!! Confining The Jinchuuriki Arc
* Just prior to the Kyuubi's attack on Konoha, Kakashi notes that he feels "something strange". This is certainly to show that he is far more observant and just generally awesome than most other people...but it quickly becomes FridgeBrilliance when you remember that [[spoiler: Kakashi has Obito's eye, and while he can't see through it -- at least not yet -- he certainly had to have felt Obito's immense effort controlling the Biju with his remaining eye, especially since they were in such close proximity to one another that night.]]

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!! Confining The Jinchuuriki Jinchūriki Arc
* Just prior to the Kyuubi's attack on Konoha, Kakashi notes that he feels "something strange". This is certainly to show that he is far more observant and just generally awesome than most other people... but it quickly becomes FridgeBrilliance when you remember that [[spoiler: Kakashi has Obito's eye, and while he can't see through it -- at least not yet -- he certainly had to have felt Obito's immense effort controlling the Biju bijuu with his remaining eye, especially since they were in such close proximity to one another that night.]]



* Guys, this “Biju Revival” plot hole isn’t really a plot hole at all and the answer is a really long but simple one.
** First, the Kyuubi stated to that Naruto that if he dies, he dies too. Now why would the Kyuubi say that if all the Biju could revive them after death? Because the simple truth is that they can’t. Think about the actions and behavior of the Biju, they get hurt and even the Hachibi states that even they have feelings, to me this means if the Biju could revive themselves then they wouldn’t care that host dies or if they get killed or even worst commit suicide. This would also make them useless militarily because even if of the villages could fit the right host, the Biju would try to die in order to escape anyway they can. Yet the Bijus and Kyuubi all protect their host all the time and Kyuubi has always been trying to escape from Naruto’s body. This means that as long as they are connected to a host, they can die!
** Secondly, the one who brought up this fact was Ay right? However, doesn’t anyone find that kinda sketchy? Ay has been characterized as a person who cares and looks out for his men, especially Killer Bee however he is also a bit of a hypocritic since denies a lot of incidents that the Hidden Cloud village were responsible in (Stealing ninjustu from other villages, abducting a young Hinata and Kushina, causing the death of Tobirama, the Second Hokage). He is also characterized as a person who gets really aggressive and stubborn when Killer Bee is in danger. Now considering that both Naruto and Killer Bee were at risk of being capture and killed, would it really be out of Ay’s character to Lie about the Kyuubi being able to revive in order to kill Naruto to save his brother, the world and keep the Biju truce with the Hidden Leaf?

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* Guys, this “Biju “Bijuu Revival” plot hole isn’t really a plot hole at all and the answer is a really long but simple one.
** First, the Kyuubi stated to that Naruto that if he dies, he dies too. Now why would the Kyuubi say that if all the Biju bijuu could revive them after death? Because the simple truth is that they can’t. Think about the actions and behavior of the Biju, bijuu, they get hurt and even the Hachibi states that even they have feelings, to me this means if the Biju bijuu could revive themselves then they wouldn’t care that host dies or if they get killed or even worst commit suicide. This would also make them useless militarily because even if of the villages could fit the right host, the Biju bijuu would try to die in order to escape anyway they can. Yet the Bijus bijuu and Kyuubi all protect their host all the time and Kyuubi has always been trying to escape from Naruto’s body. This means that as long as they are connected to a host, they can die!
** Secondly, the one who brought up this fact was Ay right? However, doesn’t anyone find that kinda sketchy? Ay has been characterized as a person who cares and looks out for his men, especially Killer Bee however he is also a bit of a hypocritic since denies a lot of incidents that the Hidden Cloud village were responsible in (Stealing ninjustu from other villages, abducting a young Hinata and Kushina, causing the death of Tobirama, the Second Hokage). He is also characterized as a person who gets really aggressive and stubborn when Killer Bee is in danger. Now considering that both Naruto and Killer Bee were at risk of being capture and killed, would it really be out of Ay’s character to Lie about the Kyuubi being able to revive in order to kill Naruto to save his brother, the world and keep the Biju bijuu truce with the Hidden Leaf?



*** It also would contradicts what we have learned about Ay, Killer Bee, The Hachibi and The Hidden Cloud Village. If the Bijus could revive themselves then both Ay and his father should have gone all out to kill the Hachibi thus saving more lives. In the case the Hidden Cloud, they could easily recover the Hachibi, thanks to those sacred treasures that they have. It also would contradict what Ay said about finding some who can control the Biju rare a lie because the village would have plenty of time to strong people to become a Jinchuriki.

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*** It also would contradicts what we have learned about Ay, Killer Bee, The Hachibi Hachibi, and The Hidden Cloud Village. If the Bijus bijuu could revive themselves then both Ay and his father should have gone all out to kill the Hachibi thus saving more lives. In the case the Hidden Cloud, they could easily recover the Hachibi, thanks to those sacred treasures that they have. It also would contradict what Ay said about finding some who can control the Biju bijuu rare a lie because the village would have plenty of time to strong people to become a Jinchuriki.jinchūriki.



*** Third, why would Madara risk losing a Tailed Beast that is needed for the Moon-Eye Plan in a gambit to get a kid on to his side? He wouldn’t, because killing the Biju would stop the plan completely

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*** Third, why would Madara risk losing a Tailed Beast that is needed for the Moon-Eye Plan in a gambit to get a kid on to his side? He wouldn’t, because killing the Biju bijuu would stop the plan completely



** It’s a stretch but here is what I believe really happen, Madara mind controls Rin and the Hidden Mist shinobi and makes them act and behave like they implanted Rin with the Sanbi and that it’s going to destroy the Hidden Leaf village, thus giving Kakashi a reason to kill Rin. Kakashi of refuses to kill to Rin and tries to save her some other way but Madara forces Rin to get stab by Kakashi Raikiri, thus setting off Obito’s berserk button and setting him up to the dark side. After failing to get the Kyuubi, Obito later travels to the Hidden Mist village in order to find other jinchuriki and discovers that the Sanbi is inside Yagura.

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** It’s a stretch but here is what I believe really happen, Madara mind controls Rin and the Hidden Mist shinobi and makes them act and behave like they implanted Rin with the Sanbi and that it’s going to destroy the Hidden Leaf village, thus giving Kakashi a reason to kill Rin. Kakashi of refuses to kill to Rin and tries to save her some other way but Madara forces Rin to get stab by Kakashi Raikiri, thus setting off Obito’s berserk button and setting him up to the dark side. After failing to get the Kyuubi, Obito later travels to the Hidden Mist village in order to find other jinchuriki jinchūriki and discovers that the Sanbi is inside Yagura.



** With these three main points I made, one can argue that the Biju in do die and the need to keep them alive in the case of both the heroes and villains is still valid. Therefore this isn’t a plothole. -- ZanyHedgehog

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** With these three main points I made, one can argue that the Biju bijuu in do die and the need to keep them alive in the case of both the heroes and villains is still valid. Therefore this isn’t a plothole. -- ZanyHedgehog



* For a while, I was wondering exactly why Tobi trained Sasuke, when no aspect of the Moon's Eye plan really required Sasuke's participation. Then, after Tobi and Madara's conversation in 614, in which it is explained to the audience, that, while the two of them work together, they are ''not'' friends, it finally makes sense. [[spoiler: Obito was never planning on reviving Madara in the first place! He was going to use ''Sasuke'' as the Juubi Jinchuriki instead, so that he wouldn't have to sacrifice himself to use Rinne Tensei, and so that he could control the Moon's Eye Plan without Madara's interference.]]

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* For a while, I was wondering exactly why Tobi trained Sasuke, when no aspect of the Moon's Eye plan really required Sasuke's participation. Then, after Tobi and Madara's conversation in 614, in which it is explained to the audience, that, while the two of them work together, they are ''not'' friends, it finally makes sense. [[spoiler: Obito was never planning on reviving Madara in the first place! He was going to use ''Sasuke'' as the Juubi Jinchuriki Jinchūriki instead, so that he wouldn't have to sacrifice himself to use Rinne Tensei, and so that he could control the Moon's Eye Plan without Madara's interference.]]



** Politics. Let's face it, the village was probably quite war-weary by this time. They hadn't recovered from the Third Great Ninja War before the Kyuubi attack, and then within a year or two, they're at war with Kumo, now without the Yellow Flash or a mature Jinchuriki. Danzo is scheming all the while, trying to come up with some excuse to overthrow Hiruzen (it's quite possible that Danzo was involved in the kidnapping plot, which could have turned into a civil war, or other bad stuff). And why do we know so much about Asuma, but nothing about his brother, Konohamaru's father? Probably because he died in the war with Kumo. The Hyuuga were probably informed that if they attempted to resume the war over this, they would do so without the help of the village or worse. Wiping out the Hyuuga Clan would not be off the table for some of the elders.

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** Politics. Let's face it, the village was probably quite war-weary by this time. They hadn't recovered from the Third Great Ninja War before the Kyuubi attack, and then within a year or two, they're at war with Kumo, now without the Yellow Flash or a mature Jinchuriki.jinchūriki. Danzo is scheming all the while, trying to come up with some excuse to overthrow Hiruzen (it's quite possible that Danzo was involved in the kidnapping plot, which could have turned into a civil war, or other bad stuff). And why do we know so much about Asuma, but nothing about his brother, Konohamaru's father? Probably because he died in the war with Kumo. The Hyuuga were probably informed that if they attempted to resume the war over this, they would do so without the help of the village or worse. Wiping out the Hyuuga Clan would not be off the table for some of the elders.



* When it was revealed that Naruto was not the first Jinchuriki, I thought that it was stupid for everyone to hate Naruto because the previous ones worked as well. A few hours later the FridgeBrilliance hit: the Kyuubi was released from the previous Jinchuriki, so it's reasonable for the villagers to think that the seal could break a second time.

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* When it was revealed that Naruto was not the first Jinchuriki, jinchūriki, I thought that it was stupid for everyone to hate Naruto because the previous ones worked as well. A few hours later the FridgeBrilliance hit: the Kyuubi was released from the previous Jinchuriki, jinchūriki, so it's reasonable for the villagers to think that the seal could break a second time.



** Actually, only very few people knew that Kushina and Mito were [[SealedEvilInACan Jinchuriki]] in Konoha, mostly the elders and Hokage.

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** Actually, only very few people knew that Kushina and Mito were [[SealedEvilInACan Jinchuriki]] jinchūriki]] in Konoha, mostly the elders and Hokage.



* Why does Nagato repeatedly neglect Konan's warnings and spam attacks that are CastFromLifeSpan? Because he's an Uzumaki, gifted with an exceedingly long life span. If Kushina's life force was strong enough to withstand having a Bijuu extracted, which was unambiguously shown to be fatal in all other cases, it speaks volumes about why Nagato would sacrifice several years of his own life so cavalierly. To wit, CastFromLifeSpan techniques aren't a DesperationAttack for him; they are his standard combat techniques! Even maintaining the HiveMind drains his lifespan, but it's so long and durable that he doesn't care!

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* Why does Nagato repeatedly neglect Konan's warnings and spam attacks that are CastFromLifeSpan? Because he's an Uzumaki, gifted with an exceedingly long life span. If Kushina's life force was strong enough to withstand having a Bijuu bijuu extracted, which was unambiguously shown to be fatal in all other cases, it speaks volumes about why Nagato would sacrifice several years of his own life so cavalierly. To wit, CastFromLifeSpan techniques aren't a DesperationAttack for him; they are his standard combat techniques! Even maintaining the HiveMind drains his lifespan, but it's so long and durable that he doesn't care!



### Both were kidnapped by Kumo ninja when they were younger because of the powers they possessed. For Kushina, it was because she was the host of the Jinchuuriki and thus had unique chakra. For Hinata, it was her Byakugan.

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### Both were kidnapped by Kumo ninja when they were younger because of the powers they possessed. For Kushina, it was because she was the host of the Jinchuuriki jinchūriki and thus had unique chakra. For Hinata, it was her Byakugan.



** It's not even so much CantCatchUp, but rather that all of the surviving Sharingan users are super-elites. The run-of-the-mill Uchiha were probably considerably inferior to the average Hyuuga, and certainly to elite Byakugan users like Hiashi and Neji. They aren't over-hyped when they call themselves Konoha's strongest; it's just that they aren't able to compete with people who are on par with or superior to master jinchurikis.

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** It's not even so much CantCatchUp, but rather that all of the surviving Sharingan users are super-elites. The run-of-the-mill Uchiha were probably considerably inferior to the average Hyuuga, and certainly to elite Byakugan users like Hiashi and Neji. They aren't over-hyped when they call themselves Konoha's strongest; it's just that they aren't able to compete with people who are on par with or superior to master jinchurikis.jinchūrikis.



*** Wow, this theory has a lot of chains in it. Following this logic, Hiruzen would be an analogue for Emperor Hirohito -- a ReasonableAuthorityFigure who waited too long to address a problem and wound up losing control of the situation because he trusted his advisors or was simply naive. Hashirama becomes an analogue for the Meiji, while Madara represents those who clung to the old ways of the shogunate. Then, if you think of Jinchuriki as being an [[FantasticNuke analogue for nuclear weapons,]] you can think of the pragmatism of acknowledging that your enemy has two functioning nuclear weapons while your nuclear program is years away from developing a working bomb [[note]]Yes, Japan really did have a nuclear weapons program in WWII, but it was several years behind the Manhattan Project and certainly would never have resulted in a nuclear bomb in time to affect the outcome of the war[[/note]].

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*** Wow, this theory has a lot of chains in it. Following this logic, Hiruzen would be an analogue for Emperor Hirohito -- a ReasonableAuthorityFigure who waited too long to address a problem and wound up losing control of the situation because he trusted his advisors or was simply naive. Hashirama becomes an analogue for the Meiji, while Madara represents those who clung to the old ways of the shogunate. Then, if you think of Jinchuriki jinchūriki as being an [[FantasticNuke analogue for nuclear weapons,]] you can think of the pragmatism of acknowledging that your enemy has two functioning nuclear weapons while your nuclear program is years away from developing a working bomb [[note]]Yes, Japan really did have a nuclear weapons program in WWII, but it was several years behind the Manhattan Project and certainly would never have resulted in a nuclear bomb in time to affect the outcome of the war[[/note]].



* Hinata seems to be taking in Naruto's Biju Mode Aura in Chapter 615, looking like she's powering up from the chakra. Why is this? Since Hyuga have ''two'' Kekkei Genkai as explained in Part I, the Hyuga have the Byakugan to see Tenketsu, the body's internal organs, and vast distances, but for Jyuken they need their secondary Kekkei Genkai which enables them to control every tenketsu in their body all at once and expel chakra from it. Now...whose to say the ''reverse'' isn't true, what if this Kekkei Genkai allows them to ''absorb'' another person's chakra and add it to their own. So Hinata may get a permanent power up after absorbing Naruto's Biju Mode chakra, possibly gaining her own [[SuperMode Nine-Tailed Chakra Mode]]. Note, the effect was different than Kurama supercharging Kakashi since [[http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/609/7 there was no visible effects]] as we [[http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/609/8 can see]] [[http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/609/12 here]], which means that he only got a set amount of chakra he couldn't keep. Hinata though seems to be taking it ''in'' in [[http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/615/16 this]] panel, since her hair is levitating and the chakra's surrounding her.

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* Hinata seems to be taking in Naruto's Biju Bijuu Mode Aura in Chapter 615, looking like she's powering up from the chakra. Why is this? Since Hyuga have ''two'' Kekkei Genkai as explained in Part I, the Hyuga have the Byakugan to see Tenketsu, the body's internal organs, and vast distances, but for Jyuken they need their secondary Kekkei Genkai which enables them to control every tenketsu in their body all at once and expel chakra from it. Now...whose to say the ''reverse'' isn't true, what if this Kekkei Genkai allows them to ''absorb'' another person's chakra and add it to their own. So Hinata may get a permanent power up after absorbing Naruto's Biju Bijuu Mode chakra, possibly gaining her own [[SuperMode Nine-Tailed Chakra Mode]]. Note, the effect was different than Kurama supercharging Kakashi since [[http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/609/7 there was no visible effects]] as we [[http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/609/8 can see]] [[http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/609/12 here]], which means that he only got a set amount of chakra he couldn't keep. Hinata though seems to be taking it ''in'' in [[http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/615/16 this]] panel, since her hair is levitating and the chakra's surrounding her.



* Just before the TimeSkip, Jiraiya informs Naruto that he is safe from the Akatsuki for about three years, but with no reason why. [[spoiler: In the latest chapter, it is revealed that when Kakashi killed Rin, she was the jinchuriki for Sanbi, the Three-Tails.]] It's been stated before that when a jinchuriki dies, the Tailed Beast within dies too but will be revived after a long period of time. [[spoiler: Sanbi]] may not have been revived until near the end of the TimeSkip, so there was no point for the Akatsuki to risk capturing the other Tailed Beasts yet when they would still be one short.

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* Just before the TimeSkip, Jiraiya informs Naruto that he is safe from the Akatsuki for about three years, but with no reason why. [[spoiler: In the latest chapter, it is revealed that when Kakashi killed Rin, she was the jinchuriki jinchūriki for Sanbi, the Three-Tails.]] It's been stated before that when a jinchuriki jinchūriki dies, the Tailed Beast within dies too but will be revived after a long period of time. [[spoiler: Sanbi]] may not have been revived until near the end of the TimeSkip, so there was no point for the Akatsuki to risk capturing the other Tailed Beasts yet when they would still be one short.



* The words of [[spoiler: The Sage of Six Paths]] regarding one with no power relying on friends vs one with power standing alone reflects on Gaara and Tobi just as much as on Sasuke. The real difference between Naruto and Gaara in the beginning was their power levels. Gaara's invincibility and power made others afraid of him which is why he was alone. Because of his sand powers, he could take out his rage and frustration on people around him. Naruto on the other hand, had no real power back then. People hated him, but didn't fear him and he couldn't do anything about it but to keep on struggling to get acceptance. Because he had no power, he had no choice but to keep looking for friends. As for Obito, he was only able to pull his one man attempt to subjugate the world because of his new abilities. Without them, his Moon's Eye Plan would have been impossible and in fact he still needed the help of the Akatsuki to get most of the Bijuu.

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* The words of [[spoiler: The Sage of Six Paths]] regarding one with no power relying on friends vs one with power standing alone reflects on Gaara and Tobi just as much as on Sasuke. The real difference between Naruto and Gaara in the beginning was their power levels. Gaara's invincibility and power made others afraid of him which is why he was alone. Because of his sand powers, he could take out his rage and frustration on people around him. Naruto on the other hand, had no real power back then. People hated him, but didn't fear him and he couldn't do anything about it but to keep on struggling to get acceptance. Because he had no power, he had no choice but to keep looking for friends. As for Obito, he was only able to pull his one man attempt to subjugate the world because of his new abilities. Without them, his Moon's Eye Plan would have been impossible and in fact he still needed the help of the Akatsuki to get most of the Bijuu.bijuu.



* Some might be left scratching their heads as to [[spoiler: how Boruto and Himawari inherit Naruto's whiskers when they're not jinchuriki and their grandmother and Mito Uzumaki never had them. Like their father, they've been exposed to Kurama's chakra since birth as opposed to later in life. Also the fact that they only have two makes sense considering how their exposure was weaker than Naruto's as Hinata is not Kurama's jinchuriki.]]

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* Some might be left scratching their heads as to [[spoiler: how Boruto and Himawari inherit Naruto's whiskers when they're not jinchuriki jinchūriki and their grandmother and Mito Uzumaki never had them. Like their father, they've been exposed to Kurama's chakra since birth as opposed to later in life. Also the fact that they only have two makes sense considering how their exposure was weaker than Naruto's as Hinata is not Kurama's jinchuriki.jinchūriki.]]



* Jinchuuriki are usually related to the reigning Kage of the village. Extracting their bijuu kills a jinchuuriki. To prevent the bijuu from escaping, the Kages must periodically transfer them to new hosts. Which means that on multiple occasions, the ruler of a village has likely ordered the death of their own blood to reseal a demon into another member of their family who will suffer the same fate.

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* Jinchuuriki Jinchūriki are usually related to the reigning Kage of the village. Extracting their bijuu kills a jinchuuriki.jinchūriki. To prevent the bijuu from escaping, the Kages must periodically transfer them to new hosts. Which means that on multiple occasions, the ruler of a village has likely ordered the death of their own blood to reseal a demon into another member of their family who will suffer the same fate.



* The reason the leaders of the villages allowed the cruelty to the jinchuriki when they should have been trying to ensure their loyalty? They probably decided that the Tailed Beasts were more trouble than they were worth and tried to goad the jinchuriki into suicide, also killing the beast.

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* The reason the leaders of the villages allowed the cruelty to the jinchuriki jinchūriki when they should have been trying to ensure their loyalty? They probably decided that the Tailed Beasts were more trouble than they were worth and tried to goad the jinchuriki jinchūriki into suicide, also killing the beast.Beast.



** First off, that means that [[spoiler:Minato's own student [[strike:attempted to]] killed him, his wife, and [[SealedEvilInACan UTTERLY]] [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer RUINED]] his child's life. What's more everthing bad that Tobi caused was all rooted from Obito saving Kakashi from that boulder.]] In short everything is Kakashi's fault!

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** First off, that means that [[spoiler:Minato's own student [[strike:attempted to]] killed kill him, his wife, and [[SealedEvilInACan UTTERLY]] [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer RUINED]] his child's life. What's more everthing more, everything bad that Tobi caused was all rooted from Obito saving Kakashi from that boulder.]] In short short, everything is Kakashi's fault!



** Actually, it's [[spoiler: Obito's own fault. Kakashi lost his eye protecting ''him'' earlier on, which is why he didn't see the boulder and needed saving in the first place. All of which happened because Obito broke the Shinobi code. Morally he was right to do that of course, but that makes no difference since Rin was doomed anyway. And we don't know exactly ''why'' Kakashi killed her,]] so it's pretty harsh to say it's all his fault.
*** TheReveal points out it's neither's fault, [[spoiler: and while it seems to be Rin's at first glance (for forcing Kakashi to kill her) all the "real blame" can be placed squarely on the enemy ninja who put the three of them through all of those hardships in the first place]].

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** Actually, it's [[spoiler: Obito's own fault. Kakashi lost his eye protecting ''him'' earlier on, which is why he didn't see the boulder and needed saving in the first place. All of which happened because Obito broke the Shinobi shinobi code. Morally Morally, he was right to do that of course, but that makes no difference since Rin was doomed anyway.doomed, anyways. And we don't know exactly ''why'' Kakashi killed her,]] so it's pretty harsh to say it's all his fault.
*** TheReveal points out it's neither's fault, [[spoiler: and while it seems to be Rin's at first glance (for forcing Kakashi to kill her) her), all the "real blame" can be placed squarely on the enemy ninja who put the three of them through all of those hardships in the first place]].



** It very nearly did happen, and almost in the exact same scenario. Remember when Team 7 briefly reunited/confronted each other after Sasuke killed Danzou? Sasuke (parallel to Kakashi) was about to kill Sakura (Rin) with a Chidori no less mere moments before Naruto (Obito) arrived and saved her. Think how eerily similar it would've been to Obito's start of darkness had Naruto just been a moment too late and saw Sakura, his crush, be killed by his best friend. For added bonus, both Kakashi and Tobi/Obito were watching the whole thing play out and MUST have felt the parallel too.

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** It very nearly did happen, and almost in the exact same scenario. Remember when Team 7 briefly reunited/confronted each other after Sasuke killed Danzou? Sasuke (parallel to Kakashi) was about to kill Sakura (Rin) with a Chidori no less mere moments before Naruto (Obito) arrived and saved her. Think how eerily similar it would've been to Obito's start of darkness had Naruto just been a moment too late and saw Sakura, his crush, be killed by his best friend. For added bonus, both Kakashi and Tobi/Obito were watching the whole thing play out and MUST have felt the parallel parallel, too.



** It's made even more horrifying in ''Road To Ninja''. When Sakura was in the same situation and is regarded as the child of a hero. This leads you to question, Was it because of Naruto status as a Jinchuriki kept his parents' name, a secret.

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** It's made even more horrifying in ''Road To Ninja''. When Sakura was in the same situation and is regarded as the child of a hero. This leads you to question, Was it because of Naruto status as a Jinchuriki jinchūriki kept his parents' name, a secret.



** I think there's a way out of this so called plothole... We don't know if the current Kyuubi and the "revived" Biju would have the same personality. If Kyuubi dies, his personality and his memories could be lost. If that's the case, he could be an easy victim to shinobi (especially those with the sharingan), who would seal him again or enslave his mind. The shinobi of Sunagakure wanted to kill Gaara (maybe for this reason?), but soon realized that Shukaku had too much control over Gaara's body and wouldn't let his host die so easily. Kyuubi trying to escape his seal is only natural, since escaping the seal with your memories is a better choice than escaping without them.

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** I think there's a way out of this so called plothole... We don't know if the current Kyuubi and the "revived" Biju biju would have the same personality. If Kyuubi dies, his personality and his memories could be lost. If that's the case, he could be an easy victim to shinobi (especially those with the sharingan), who would seal him again or enslave his mind. The shinobi of Sunagakure wanted to kill Gaara (maybe for this reason?), but soon realized that Shukaku had too much control over Gaara's body and wouldn't let his host die so easily. Kyuubi trying to escape his seal is only natural, since escaping the seal with your memories is a better choice than escaping without them.



** Actually, Kushina stated her chakra was special and unique, with the chains being the manifestation of that. Which is both why she was chosen as a jinchuuriki and why she was targeted by Kumogakure. Which means that Tobi most likely incorporated her abilities the same way he did to the Senju and Uchiha in order to use Izanagi... which, when you think about it, is a ''lot worse'' than Tobi being an Uzumaki.

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** Actually, Kushina stated her chakra was special and unique, with the chains being the manifestation of that. Which is both why she was chosen as a jinchuuriki jinchūriki and why she was targeted by Kumogakure. Which means that Tobi most likely incorporated her abilities the same way he did to the Senju and Uchiha in order to use Izanagi... which, when you think about it, is a ''lot worse'' than Tobi being an Uzumaki.



*** There's a couple other things to take into account. 1) The last time he tried to take the Kyuubi, half his body got blown up by the Hokage. I don't think it's out of the question that some of the intervening time has been spent recuperating. 2) The second episode of ''Shippuden'' is titled "The Akatsuki Makes Its Move." Presumably to avoid setting off red flags all over the world, the members of the Akatsuki were planning what essentially amounts to a coup. If you take one Jinchuuriki several years before you take the rest, there's a decent chance that someone will figure out what you're up to. Take them all at once and you stand an excellent chance of getting most or all of them before the villages have a chance to get their act together and do something about it.

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*** There's a couple other things to take into account. 1) The last time he tried to take the Kyuubi, half his body got blown up by the Hokage. I don't think it's out of the question that some of the intervening time has been spent recuperating. 2) The second episode of ''Shippuden'' is titled "The Akatsuki Makes Its Move." Presumably to avoid setting off red flags all over the world, the members of the Akatsuki were planning what essentially amounts to a coup. If you take one Jinchuuriki jinchūriki several years before you take the rest, there's a decent chance that someone will figure out what you're up to. Take them all at once and you stand an excellent chance of getting most or all of them before the villages have a chance to get their act together and do something about it.



** Couldn't it be that there is more than one pre-Genin academy in Konoha? This explains why the 'Rookie Nine' seem unfamiliar with other Konoha Genin during the Chunnin Exams, and why you have all of the high profile targets in one class -- children form the main branches of all the major clans, and Naruto, the jinchuriki of the Kyuubi. It also is an extension of the fact that Genin teams, even after being promoted to Chunnin often continue to work together. Unfortunately, this doesn't explain people like Sakura, Tenten, or Lee, unless you consider (based on how perfectly well rounded most teams are, and how Naruto's class split evenly into three teams) that perhaps Genin teams were being considered years before Academy graduation.

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** Couldn't it be that there is more than one pre-Genin academy in Konoha? This explains why the 'Rookie Nine' seem unfamiliar with other Konoha Genin during the Chunnin Exams, and why you have all of the high profile targets in one class -- children form the main branches of all the major clans, and Naruto, the jinchuriki jinchūriki of the Kyuubi. It also is an extension of the fact that Genin teams, even after being promoted to Chunnin often continue to work together. Unfortunately, this doesn't explain people like Sakura, Tenten, or Lee, unless you consider (based on how perfectly well rounded most teams are, and how Naruto's class split evenly into three teams) that perhaps Genin teams were being considered years before Academy graduation.



** It was my interpretation that Academy students, outside of war time, are able to graduate at age 9, except if there are extenuating circumstances, like Naruto and Lee failing due to being the dead lasts, or Sasuke and Neji being held back because they weren't stable enough to become Ninjas at those times. As for the others, well lets have a look at who else is in the Konoha 12 for a moment, shall we. First, there is Sakura and Ino, both of whom are apart of a large number of girls in the Sasuke Fan-Club, you honestly don't think that they'd pass on graduating in some way or another for a chance to be on Sasuke's team. Then you have Hinata, who is pretty much the same way for Naruto as the others are for Sasuke, plus she may have failed one of the exams, due to her clan's specialisation. Next up you have Kiba, Choji, and Shikamaru, both of whom were apart of the slacker quartet, a group that had the lowest grades in the class, to varying degrees, so it's no stretch to assume that they would have failed their exams as well, coupled with the fact that as the children of the heads of their clans, Ino, Shikamaru, and Choji would only have graduated together, so if one of them was held back, then all three of them would be held back. Now, while this theory doesn't explain Tenten or Shino, let me ask, has there been any mention of any other kind of school in the Naruto world? This would mean that civilian children would've also gone to the academy as well, and, unless Lee's condition is a pseudo-Kekkei Genkai [[spoiler: as it was shown that both Guy and his dad also have this condition]] then it could be that civilians have poor chakra control/etc just like Lee, and is why they don't become ninja. But then you get those stubborn few that still try even when they, realistically, shouldn't. However, instead of focusing on Taijutsu like Lee, [[spoiler: Guy, and Dai]], Tenten honed her weapons skills and had better control than Lee. Now if this is the case, then she may not have been dead last, ie her grades were spectacular, it was just that final exam that kept her from progressing until she did. Which just leaves Shino, to which I present exhibit A): Torune. Ignoring the filler arc that showed Shino and Torune friends when they were growing up, BEFORE he worked for ROOT, Torune is still one of the most prized members of the Aburame clan, and yet NONE of the clan members wondered where the hell he had gone during his ROOT training? I just find it impossible that he wasn't put on guard 24/7 not only because of how rare the bugs he carries are, but also how dangerous, as only his dad has the bugs necessary to counter-act Torune's ones effects. I put it to you dear Tropers that the Aburame clan not only knows of, but is a big supporter of ROOT, because think about it... who, outside an Aburame, nor someone whom has a specific Aburame on their team, would notice the disappearance of an Aburame? Which would mean that Shino was placed in that class by Danzo, so as to not only keep an eye on Naruto, but also an eye on each of the clan children there as well, because that boy is a genius, and if it merely required a clone technique, and not necessarily THE clone technique to pass, then Shino could've just used a bug clone and be done with it, but no he was held back, until all but Naruto would've most likely passed, and then Danzo could've either took Naruto as a new operative, or just planted another ROOT member to keep an eye on the Jinchuuriki, which is why Shino wasn't on Naruto's team, because neither he nor Danzo predicted that the Jinchuriki would pass that year. (either that or Shino was a selective genius, and had piss poor grades/couldn't get the necessary passing grade to advance)

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** It was my interpretation that Academy students, outside of war time, are able to graduate at age 9, except if there are extenuating circumstances, like Naruto and Lee failing due to being the dead lasts, or Sasuke and Neji being held back because they weren't stable enough to become Ninjas at those times. As for the others, well lets have a look at who else is in the Konoha 12 for a moment, shall we. First, there is Sakura and Ino, both of whom are apart of a large number of girls in the Sasuke Fan-Club, you honestly don't think that they'd pass on graduating in some way or another for a chance to be on Sasuke's team. Then you have Hinata, who is pretty much the same way for Naruto as the others are for Sasuke, plus she may have failed one of the exams, due to her clan's specialisation. Next up you have Kiba, Choji, and Shikamaru, both of whom were apart of the slacker quartet, a group that had the lowest grades in the class, to varying degrees, so it's no stretch to assume that they would have failed their exams as well, coupled with the fact that as the children of the heads of their clans, Ino, Shikamaru, and Choji would only have graduated together, so if one of them was held back, then all three of them would be held back. Now, while this theory doesn't explain Tenten or Shino, let me ask, has there been any mention of any other kind of school in the Naruto world? This would mean that civilian children would've also gone to the academy as well, and, unless Lee's condition is a pseudo-Kekkei Genkai [[spoiler: as it was shown that both Guy and his dad also have this condition]] then it could be that civilians have poor chakra control/etc just like Lee, and is why they don't become ninja. But then you get those stubborn few that still try even when they, realistically, shouldn't. However, instead of focusing on Taijutsu like Lee, [[spoiler: Guy, and Dai]], Tenten honed her weapons skills and had better control than Lee. Now if this is the case, then she may not have been dead last, ie her grades were spectacular, it was just that final exam that kept her from progressing until she did. Which just leaves Shino, to which I present exhibit A): Torune. Ignoring the filler arc that showed Shino and Torune friends when they were growing up, BEFORE he worked for ROOT, Torune is still one of the most prized members of the Aburame clan, and yet NONE of the clan members wondered where the hell he had gone during his ROOT training? I just find it impossible that he wasn't put on guard 24/7 not only because of how rare the bugs he carries are, but also how dangerous, as only his dad has the bugs necessary to counter-act Torune's ones effects. I put it to you dear Tropers that the Aburame clan not only knows of, but is a big supporter of ROOT, because think about it... who, outside an Aburame, nor someone whom has a specific Aburame on their team, would notice the disappearance of an Aburame? Which would mean that Shino was placed in that class by Danzo, so as to not only keep an eye on Naruto, but also an eye on each of the clan children there as well, because that boy is a genius, and if it merely required a clone technique, and not necessarily THE clone technique to pass, then Shino could've just used a bug clone and be done with it, but no he was held back, until all but Naruto would've most likely passed, and then Danzo could've either took Naruto as a new operative, or just planted another ROOT member to keep an eye on the Jinchuuriki, jinchūriki, which is why Shino wasn't on Naruto's team, because neither he nor Danzo predicted that the Jinchuriki jinchūriki would pass that year. (either that or Shino was a selective genius, and had piss poor grades/couldn't get the necessary passing grade to advance)



* The Road to Ninja trailer: most of the weirdness can be explained by ForWantOfANail. There was no Kyuubi attack, and so Minato and Kushina are still alive, and [[spoiler:Kushina is still the Jinchuriki of Kurama.]] That in turn means that Naruto was neither an orphan, nor a jinchuriki, so he'd have a normal childhood with normal social interaction. This, in turn, means Kumo either didn't start a war three years later, or Minato and Kushina [[CurbStompBattle utterly destroy them.]] This means there was either no kidnapping attempt on Hinata or it was quickly put down and led to Kumo's unconditional surrender because Kushina has had quite enough of Kumo kidnapping Konoha citizens and threatens to wipe them out if they don't. As a result, Hinata and Neji don't have traumatic childhoods and so Hinata doesn't become a ShrinkingViolet and Neji doesn't become a NietzscheWannabe. Some crisis happens when the Konoha 12 are about six (possibly Tobi/Akatsuki related), and Sakura's parents are among the casualties, and maybe Shikamaru suffers a head injury, which explains those two. Orochimaru is either dealt with swiftly by Minato or doesn't dare attempt anything, so Sasuke never turns evil. But how does any of that explain Kiba using cats or Shino having Venus Fly Traps? Their clans shouldn't be any different.
** Wherever you got that first bit of information....It is wrong. [[spoiler: It is not stated how it happens, but Kushina is NOT the Kyuubi Jinchuuriki, Naruto's counterpart, Menma, is. And Sakura's father died sealing the Kyuubi in Menma.]]

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* The Road to Ninja trailer: most of the weirdness can be explained by ForWantOfANail. There was no Kyuubi attack, and so Minato and Kushina are still alive, and [[spoiler:Kushina is still the Jinchuriki jinchūriki of Kurama.]] That in turn means that Naruto was neither an orphan, nor a jinchuriki, jinchūriki, so he'd have a normal childhood with normal social interaction. This, in turn, means Kumo either didn't start a war three years later, or Minato and Kushina [[CurbStompBattle utterly destroy them.]] This means there was either no kidnapping attempt on Hinata or it was quickly put down and led to Kumo's unconditional surrender because Kushina has had quite enough of Kumo kidnapping Konoha citizens and threatens to wipe them out if they don't. As a result, Hinata and Neji don't have traumatic childhoods and so Hinata doesn't become a ShrinkingViolet and Neji doesn't become a NietzscheWannabe. Some crisis happens when the Konoha 12 are about six (possibly Tobi/Akatsuki related), and Sakura's parents are among the casualties, and maybe Shikamaru suffers a head injury, which explains those two. Orochimaru is either dealt with swiftly by Minato or doesn't dare attempt anything, so Sasuke never turns evil. But how does any of that explain Kiba using cats or Shino having Venus Fly Traps? Their clans shouldn't be any different.
** Wherever you got that first bit of information....It is wrong. [[spoiler: It is not stated how it happens, but Kushina is NOT the Kyuubi Jinchuuriki, jinchūriki, Naruto's counterpart, Menma, is. And Sakura's father died sealing the Kyuubi in Menma.]]



* Why would [[spoiler: Rin]] think it was a better idea to [[spoiler: kill herself and get rid of the Sanbi so as to not risk it being unleashed on Konoha when Minato, Kushina, Jiraiya, and the Third Hokage are all still alive and among the best seal masters around? The Kyuubi is far stronger than the Three-Tails, so suppressing or resealing it would be incredibly easy for Minato, and they would gain another Biju in the middle of a war giving them a boost in power. Instead it ends up going right back to the people who sealed it in her after her death. Even worse ''Minato'' was on his way to back her and Kakashi up so it wouldn't have even made it into the village in the first place.]]

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* Why would [[spoiler: Rin]] think it was a better idea to [[spoiler: kill herself and get rid of the Sanbi so as to not risk it being unleashed on Konoha when Minato, Kushina, Jiraiya, and the Third Hokage are all still alive and among the best seal masters around? The Kyuubi is far stronger than the Three-Tails, so suppressing or resealing it would be incredibly easy for Minato, and they would gain another Biju bijuu in the middle of a war giving them a boost in power. Instead it ends up going right back to the people who sealed it in her after her death. Even worse ''Minato'' was on his way to back her and Kakashi up so it wouldn't have even made it into the village in the first place.]]



** [[spoiler:I don't know where you can find a reference for this, but I could swear that this was mentioned at some point in the manga -- there's a reason why the Tailed Beasts are all sealed inside children. The Tailed Beast's chakra significantly alters and affects a person's chakra network. When sealed inside a child, the Tailed Beast is mixed with that child's chakra network, and the child's chakra network adapts to the large amount of chakra that comes from the Tailed Beast as they grow older. This is the reason why the host dies if the Tailed Beast is ever ripped out of the Jinchuriki's body -- the core of their chakra networks is essentially being ripped out (except for anyone from the Uzumaki clan, who all have a great amount of their own chakra to still draw from). That said, the older a host initially is, the less capable that person is of adapting to the Tailed Beast's chakra in their system, meaning Rin was far from being capable of taking in Isobu the same way that Naruto, Gaara, and Bee were able to with their respective Tailed Beasts. Not to mention the sealing work done by the Mist Ninja was already intentionally shoddy to account for the time it would take Rin and Kakashi to reach Konoha, so her fate was sealed the moment they put the Three-Tails inside of her -- she was either going die from the seal's failure and Isobu forcing its way out, or by Isobu ripping her chakra system apart and destroying her internally, that is if the Mist Ninja didn't kill Kakashi during the chase and use some other means of delivering her to Konoha. If I'm completely mistaken about something mentioning the age of the host at the time of implantation being important in the manga... well, it makes for a great theory.]] That said, to completely answer the original troper's question of why [[spoiler:Rin]] would want to kill herself in that particular situation, [[spoiler:Rin making it to Konoha would have been playing in to the Mist Village's entire plan in the first place. Kirigakure's entire plan revolved around taking a Konoha ninja and turning him/her into a literal TykeBomb that would destroy Konoha upon arrival, and Rin didn't want that to happen]]. And really, regardless of whatever arguments can be made for her actions, [[spoiler:Rin]] ''didn't have time to think about any and all of this while being chased down by Mist ninja''.

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** [[spoiler:I don't know where you can find a reference for this, but I could swear that this was mentioned at some point in the manga -- there's a reason why the Tailed Beasts are all sealed inside children. The Tailed Beast's chakra significantly alters and affects a person's chakra network. When sealed inside a child, the Tailed Beast is mixed with that child's chakra network, and the child's chakra network adapts to the large amount of chakra that comes from the Tailed Beast as they grow older. This is the reason why the host dies if the Tailed Beast is ever ripped out of the Jinchuriki's jinchūriki's body -- the core of their chakra networks is essentially being ripped out (except for anyone from the Uzumaki clan, who all have a great amount of their own chakra to still draw from). That said, the older a host initially is, the less capable that person is of adapting to the Tailed Beast's chakra in their system, meaning Rin was far from being capable of taking in Isobu the same way that Naruto, Gaara, and Bee were able to with their respective Tailed Beasts. Not to mention the sealing work done by the Mist Ninja was already intentionally shoddy to account for the time it would take Rin and Kakashi to reach Konoha, so her fate was sealed the moment they put the Three-Tails inside of her -- she was either going die from the seal's failure and Isobu forcing its way out, or by Isobu ripping her chakra system apart and destroying her internally, that is if the Mist Ninja didn't kill Kakashi during the chase and use some other means of delivering her to Konoha. If I'm completely mistaken about something mentioning the age of the host at the time of implantation being important in the manga... well, it makes for a great theory.]] That said, to completely answer the original troper's question of why [[spoiler:Rin]] would want to kill herself in that particular situation, [[spoiler:Rin making it to Konoha would have been playing in to the Mist Village's entire plan in the first place. Kirigakure's entire plan revolved around taking a Konoha ninja and turning him/her into a literal TykeBomb that would destroy Konoha upon arrival, and Rin didn't want that to happen]]. And really, regardless of whatever arguments can be made for her actions, [[spoiler:Rin]] ''didn't have time to think about any and all of this while being chased down by Mist ninja''.



* Something that always bugged me for a while -- why does Naruto's Bijuu transformations comprise of pure energy rather than a flesh-and-blood form like the rest? At first I thought it was to represent Naruto being one of a kind, but then it hit me! Kurama is only one half of what he was originally, since Minato sealed away the other half.

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* Something that always bugged me for a while -- why does Naruto's Bijuu bijuu transformations comprise of pure energy rather than a flesh-and-blood form like the rest? At first I thought it was to represent Naruto being one of a kind, but then it hit me! Kurama is only one half of what he was originally, since Minato sealed away the other half.



** Powerful enough to blow apart his torso and dwarf the explosive power of a ''[[FantasticNuke Tailed Beast Bomb]]''. Keep in mind that Madara, in his Ten-Tails form, is [[GodModeSue the most resilient and durable shinobi of all time]], and even before his Jinchuuriki-hood, he withstood a physical and ninjutsu assault from ''all nine Tailed Beasts'', so of course he had good reason to be worried.

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** Powerful enough to blow apart his torso and dwarf the explosive power of a ''[[FantasticNuke Tailed Beast Bomb]]''. Keep in mind that Madara, in his Ten-Tails form, is [[GodModeSue the most resilient and durable shinobi of all time]], and even before his Jinchuuriki-hood, jinchūriki-hood, he withstood a physical and ninjutsu assault from ''all nine Tailed Beasts'', so of course he had good reason to be worried.



* Naruto explicitly states that he believes in Majority Rules (I.e. The solution the most people believe in is the right/best one). Expanding on this, if one person must die to save ten or a hundred then by majority rules Naruto would believe it right and just to kill that one person. Sound familiar? It should because this point of view justifies his becoming a jinchuriki, if Naruto didn't believe in majority rules he would have no way of justifying all the pain and suffering he has experienced and, therefore, no way to forgive Konoha!

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* Naruto explicitly states that he believes in Majority Rules (I.e. The solution the most people believe in is the right/best one). Expanding on this, if one person must die to save ten or a hundred then by majority rules Naruto would believe it right and just to kill that one person. Sound familiar? It should because this point of view justifies his becoming a jinchuriki, jinchūriki, if Naruto didn't believe in majority rules he would have no way of justifying all the pain and suffering he has experienced and, therefore, no way to forgive Konoha!
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* Obito and Madara crippled the village hidden in the mist by killing most of their Kekkai genkai bloodlines in a probably fake civil war. Haku's life is ruined by two ninja's he never met.
* After all that he’s done and all of the people that have been killed as a result of his actions even if by some miracle the Kohona forgives Sasuke, it is highly unlikely that the other villages will; meaning that even if the heroes do defeat Madara, another ninja war is right round the corner.
** Then there is the fact that they still have the land of iron to deal with.
** Jossed, he is basically WalkingTheEarth without any repercussions, as Kakashi pulled some strings to absolve Sasuke using his and Sasuke's war hero status. Also it is highly unlikely that the 5 nations will war again on the regards of a single war criminal, after everything said and done.

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* Obito and Madara crippled the village hidden Village Hidden in the mist Mist by killing most of their Kekkai kekkai genkai bloodlines in a probably a fake civil war. Haku's life is ruined by two ninja's ninjas he never met.
* After all that he’s done and all of the people that have been killed as a result of his actions even if by some miracle the Kohona Konoha forgives Sasuke, it is highly unlikely that the other villages will; meaning that even if the heroes do defeat Madara, another ninja war is right round the corner.
** Then Then, there is the fact that they still have the land Land of iron Iron to deal with.
** Jossed, he is basically WalkingTheEarth without any repercussions, as Kakashi pulled some strings to absolve Sasuke using his and Sasuke's war hero status. Also Also, it is highly unlikely that the 5 nations Five Nations will war again on the regards of a single war criminal, after everything is said and done.
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* Naruto always seemed to put a massive emphasis on the idea of the prodigy or genius. Characters like Neji and Sasuke were considered geniuses, while other characters like Lee, Hinata, and Naruto were labeled as failures and were even called as such by both Neji (pre-CharacterDevelopment) and Sasuke. At first I thought it was just sort of a DumbIsGood situation, until Lee was called a genius by Kakashi for being able to open the gates. It was then that I realized that one of Naruto's morals is that everyone is a genius or very talented at something. They just have to figure out what it is and how to use it to it's full potential. -{{@/Wind Weaver19}}

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* Naruto always seemed to put a massive emphasis on the idea of the prodigy or genius. Characters like Neji and Sasuke were considered geniuses, while other characters like Lee, Hinata, and Naruto were labeled as failures and were even called as such by both Neji (pre-CharacterDevelopment) and Sasuke. At first I thought it was just sort of a DumbIsGood situation, until Lee was called a genius by Kakashi for being able to open the gates.Gates. It was then that I realized that one of Naruto's morals is that everyone is a genius or very talented at something. They just have to figure out what it is and how to use it to it's its full potential. -{{@/Wind Weaver19}}



** Lee was also forbidden by Gai from releasing his weights or using the 5 gates that he could open unless it was a situation where he absolutely had to protect people important to him. Considering how Lee is and how important Gai's respect is for him, he would not use those abilities in a simple Grudge Match unless he got a permission. Also look at Neji's reaction to both Lee's true speed and the gates. It's clear that Neji didn't actually have a clue as to Lee's true skill level. Also since Lee never fought Neji going all out, he didn't know that he had actually surpassed his rival a long time ago. That is why it is so ironic though, that Neji made Jounin during the TimeSkip because he is more well rounded than Lee can ever be. Half of Neji's moves are considered to be Ninjutsu rather than Taijutsu and he is also very efficient at breaking Genjutsu due to his Byakugan. Full Jonin need to be versatile in all aspects of the ninja arts. Lee on the other hand can only use Taijutsu, meaning that other than being made a Hokage for some reason, the highest rank Lee can ever gain is that of a Tokubetsu-Jonin, a ninja who has jonin-level skills on one area and lower or even poor skills on the rest. Tenten too seems to be destined for the rank of Tokubetsu-Jonin because all she ever uses are weapons, weapons and more weapons. She hasn't even been shown using Henge, Bunshin or Kawarimi.

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** Lee was also forbidden by Gai from releasing his weights or using the 5 gates Five Gates that he could open unless it was a situation where he absolutely had to protect people important to him. Considering how Lee is and how important Gai's respect is for him, he would not use those abilities in a simple Grudge Match unless he got a permission. Also look at Neji's reaction to both Lee's true speed and the gates.Gates. It's clear that Neji didn't actually have a clue as to Lee's true skill level. Also since Lee never fought Neji going all out, he didn't know that he had actually surpassed his rival a long time ago. That is why it is so ironic though, that Neji made Jounin during the TimeSkip because he is more well rounded than Lee can ever be. Half of Neji's moves are considered to be Ninjutsu rather than Taijutsu and he is also very efficient at breaking Genjutsu due to his Byakugan. Full Jonin Jounin need to be versatile in all aspects of the ninja arts. Lee on the other hand can only use Taijutsu, meaning that other than being made a Hokage for some reason, the highest rank Lee can ever gain is that of a Tokubetsu-Jonin, Tokubetsu-Jounin, a ninja who has jonin-level skills on one area and lower or even poor skills on the rest. Tenten too seems to be destined for the rank of Tokubetsu-Jonin because all she ever uses are weapons, weapons and more weapons. She hasn't even been shown using Henge, Bunshin Bunshin, or Kawarimi.



*** Neji was probably surprised at Lee's speed because before that fight he had assumed that Lee was worse than Naruto. To be able to perform 8 Trigrams 64 Palms (instead of the default 32 Palms) Neji would have to be faster than Lee. Also, in the same arc, Might Gai actually said (paraphrased) "The Gentle Fist, while not as spectacular as other variations of Taijutsu, is much more deadly." A picture of Rock Lee is actually shown on screen, implying that Neji is still better.
*** That's not the implication at all. In fact, Gai out right says that the Gates made Lee better than Neji. There's no evidence that Neji or anyone else considered Lee inferior to Naruto. Firstly, because everyone in the exam knows Lee smacked Sasuke and Naruto around before they started. Neji even says that Lee should have beaten him more when Naruto arrogantly boasted that hed beat everyone in the exam. Secondly, because Lee was considered one of the elite at the exam and Natuto was considered an underdog loser.

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*** Neji was probably surprised at Lee's speed because before that fight he had assumed that Lee was worse than Naruto. To be able to perform 8 Trigrams 64 Palms (instead of the default 32 Palms) Neji would have to be faster than Lee. Also, in the same arc, Might Gai Guy actually said (paraphrased) "The Gentle Fist, while not as spectacular as other variations of Taijutsu, is much more deadly." A picture of Rock Lee is actually shown on screen, implying that Neji is still better.
*** That's not the implication at all. In fact, Gai Guy out right says that the Gates made Lee better than Neji. There's no evidence that Neji or anyone else considered Lee inferior to Naruto. Firstly, because everyone in the exam knows Lee smacked Sasuke and Naruto around before they started. Neji even says that Lee should have beaten him more when Naruto arrogantly boasted that hed beat everyone in the exam. Secondly, because Lee was considered one of the elite at the exam and Natuto was considered an underdog loser.



* By that logic, Gai wouldn't be able to hit him, either.

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* By that logic, Gai Guy wouldn't be able to hit him, either.



*** Solved. [[spoiler:Tobi is Obito, an Uchiha, so technically he is, in fact, a descendant of the sage just not a direct one. Then there was the fact that the other half of his body was grafted with Hashima's cloned cell, which in itself already makes half of him the descendant of the the Sage's good son -- then you found out that having both Senju and Uchiha's cell is what needed to receive the Sage's power.]]

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*** Solved. [[spoiler:Tobi is Obito, an Uchiha, so technically he is, in fact, a descendant of the sage Sage, just not a direct one. Then there was the fact that the other half of his body was grafted with Hashima's cloned cell, which in itself already makes half of him the descendant of the the Sage's good son -- then you found out that having both Senju and Uchiha's cell cells is what needed to receive the Sage's power.]]



*** Because without the other eight Tailed Beasts, capturing Naruto is useless to the Akatsuki, and there's plenty of stuff that could go wrong in the interim. There's no way he didn't know Nagato had his own agenda, and why risk a scenario where Nagato could use Naruto to help him overthrow Tobi? As it turns out, Tobi would have been in serious trouble if he had to fight Nagato, Konan and Naruto in short succession, and Nagato would be quite happy to pull a LetsYouAndHimFight between Naruto and Tobi.

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*** Because without the other eight Tailed Beasts, capturing Naruto is useless to the Akatsuki, and there's plenty of stuff that could go wrong in the interim. There's no way he didn't know Nagato had his own agenda, and why risk a scenario where Nagato could use Naruto to help him overthrow Tobi? As it turns out, Tobi would have been in serious trouble if he had to fight Nagato, Konan Konan, and Naruto in short succession, and Nagato would be quite happy to pull a LetsYouAndHimFight between Naruto and Tobi.



** It was my interpretation that Academy students, outside of war time, are able to graduate at age 9, except if there are extenuating circumstances, like Naruto and Lee failing due to being the dead lasts, or Sasuke and Neji being held back because they weren't stable enough to become Ninjas at those times. As for the others, well lets have a look at who else is in the Konoha 12 for a moment, shall we. First there is Sakura and Ino, both of whom are apart of a large number of girls in the Sasuke Fan-Club, you honestly don't think that they'd pass on graduating in some way or another for a chance to be on Sasuke's team. Then you have Hinata, who is pretty much the same way for Naruto as the others are for Sasuke, plus she may have failed one of the exams, due to her clan's specialisation. Next up you have Kiba, Choji and Shikamaru, both of whom were apart of the slacker quartet, a group that had the lowest grades in the class, to varying degrees, so it's no stretch to assume that they would have failed their exams as well, coupled with the fact that as the children of the heads of their clans, Ino, Shikamaru and Choji would only have graduated together, so if one of them was held back, then all three of them would be held back. Now, while this theory doesn't explain Tenten or Shino, let me ask, has there been any mention of any other kind of school in the Naruto world? This would mean that civilian children would've also gone to the academy as well, and, unless Lee's condition is a pseudo-Kekkei Genkai [[spoiler: as it was shown that both Guy and his dad also have this condition]] then it could be that civilians have poor chakra control/etc just like Lee, and is why they don't become Ninja. But then you get those stubborn few that still try even when they, realistically, shouldn't, except unlike Lee [[spoiler: Guy and Dai]] Tenten, instead of focusing on Taijutsu, honed her weapons skills, yet had better control than Lee. Now if this is the case, then she may not have been the dead last, ie her grades were spectacular, it was just that final exam that kept her from progressing until she did. Which just leaves Shino, to which I present exhibit A): Torune. Ignoring the filler arc that showed Shino and Torune friends when they were growing up, BEFORE he worked for ROOT, Torune is still one of the most prized members of the Aburame clan, and yet NONE of the clan members wondered where the hell he had gone during his ROOT training? I just find it impossible that he wasn't put on guard 24/7 not only because of how rare the bugs he carries are, but also how dangerous, as only his dad has the bugs necessary to counter-act Torune's ones effects. I put it to you dear Tropers that the Aburame clan not only knows of, but is a big supporter of ROOT, because think about it... who, outside an Aburame, nor someone whom has a specific Aburame on their team, would notice the disappearance of an Aburame? Which would mean that Shino was placed in that class by Danzo, so as to not only keep an eye on Naruto, but also an eye on each of the clan children there as well, because that boy is a genius, and if it merely required A clone technique, and not necessarily THE clone technique to pass, then Shino could've just used a bug clone and be done with it, but no he was held back, until all but Naruto would've most likely passed, and then Danzo could've either took Naruto as a new operative, or just planted another ROOT member to keep an eye on the Jinchuriki, which is why Shino wasn't on Naruto's team, because neither he nor Danzo predicted that the Jinchuriki would pass that year. (either that or Shino was a selective genius, and had piss poor grades/couldn't get the necessary passing grade to advance)

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** It was my interpretation that Academy students, outside of war time, are able to graduate at age 9, except if there are extenuating circumstances, like Naruto and Lee failing due to being the dead lasts, or Sasuke and Neji being held back because they weren't stable enough to become Ninjas at those times. As for the others, well lets have a look at who else is in the Konoha 12 for a moment, shall we. First First, there is Sakura and Ino, both of whom are apart of a large number of girls in the Sasuke Fan-Club, you honestly don't think that they'd pass on graduating in some way or another for a chance to be on Sasuke's team. Then you have Hinata, who is pretty much the same way for Naruto as the others are for Sasuke, plus she may have failed one of the exams, due to her clan's specialisation. Next up you have Kiba, Choji Choji, and Shikamaru, both of whom were apart of the slacker quartet, a group that had the lowest grades in the class, to varying degrees, so it's no stretch to assume that they would have failed their exams as well, coupled with the fact that as the children of the heads of their clans, Ino, Shikamaru Shikamaru, and Choji would only have graduated together, so if one of them was held back, then all three of them would be held back. Now, while this theory doesn't explain Tenten or Shino, let me ask, has there been any mention of any other kind of school in the Naruto world? This would mean that civilian children would've also gone to the academy as well, and, unless Lee's condition is a pseudo-Kekkei Genkai [[spoiler: as it was shown that both Guy and his dad also have this condition]] then it could be that civilians have poor chakra control/etc just like Lee, and is why they don't become Ninja. ninja. But then you get those stubborn few that still try even when they, realistically, shouldn't, except unlike Lee [[spoiler: Guy and Dai]] Tenten, shouldn't. However, instead of focusing on Taijutsu, Taijutsu like Lee, [[spoiler: Guy, and Dai]], Tenten honed her weapons skills, yet skills and had better control than Lee. Now if this is the case, then she may not have been the dead last, ie her grades were spectacular, it was just that final exam that kept her from progressing until she did. Which just leaves Shino, to which I present exhibit A): Torune. Ignoring the filler arc that showed Shino and Torune friends when they were growing up, BEFORE he worked for ROOT, Torune is still one of the most prized members of the Aburame clan, and yet NONE of the clan members wondered where the hell he had gone during his ROOT training? I just find it impossible that he wasn't put on guard 24/7 not only because of how rare the bugs he carries are, but also how dangerous, as only his dad has the bugs necessary to counter-act Torune's ones effects. I put it to you dear Tropers that the Aburame clan not only knows of, but is a big supporter of ROOT, because think about it... who, outside an Aburame, nor someone whom has a specific Aburame on their team, would notice the disappearance of an Aburame? Which would mean that Shino was placed in that class by Danzo, so as to not only keep an eye on Naruto, but also an eye on each of the clan children there as well, because that boy is a genius, and if it merely required A a clone technique, and not necessarily THE clone technique to pass, then Shino could've just used a bug clone and be done with it, but no he was held back, until all but Naruto would've most likely passed, and then Danzo could've either took Naruto as a new operative, or just planted another ROOT member to keep an eye on the Jinchuriki, Jinchuuriki, which is why Shino wasn't on Naruto's team, because neither he nor Danzo predicted that the Jinchuriki would pass that year. (either that or Shino was a selective genius, and had piss poor grades/couldn't get the necessary passing grade to advance)



** At the same time one must realize that he was absolutely out of options at that point. He already asked the Hokage (and Danzo too, through blackmail) to protect Sasuke. That would've been a reasonable maneuver, but he could probably see how well the Hokage's protection went for Naruto, so he needed something else. He couldn't ask anyone else to do anything for him because after the massacre he would be seen as an S-ranked traitorous criminal so his word would be suspect. Thus, he had to rely on more heavy-duty tactics. Itachi already knew that Sasuke was very emotional and prone to jealousy and anger so he resorted to using that to his advantage. Itachi made Sasuke hate him as much as he could because that was the only way he knew how to make him strong enough to survive on his own.

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** At the same time one must realize that he was absolutely out of options at that point. He already asked the Hokage (and Danzo too, through blackmail) to protect Sasuke. That would've been a reasonable maneuver, but he could probably see how well the Hokage's protection went for Naruto, so he needed something else. He couldn't ask anyone else to do anything for him because after the massacre he would be seen as an S-ranked traitorous criminal so his word would be suspect. Thus, he had to rely on more heavy-duty tactics. Itachi already knew that Sasuke was very emotional and prone to jealousy and anger anger, so he resorted to using that to his advantage. Itachi made Sasuke hate him as much as he could because that was the only way he knew how to make him strong enough to survive on his own.



** Wherever you got that first bit of information....It is wrong. [[spoiler: It is not stated how it happens, but Kushina is NOT the Kyuubi Jinchuuriki, Narutos counterpart, Menma, is. And Sakuras father died sealing the Kyuubi in Menma.]]
*** As for the rest of that, its just personality quirks making them opposite to their counterparts in the original world.

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** Wherever you got that first bit of information....It is wrong. [[spoiler: It is not stated how it happens, but Kushina is NOT the Kyuubi Jinchuuriki, Narutos Naruto's counterpart, Menma, is. And Sakuras Sakura's father died sealing the Kyuubi in Menma.]]
*** As for the rest of that, its it's just personality quirks making them opposite to their counterparts in the original world.



** A year or two nothing, this is months after his death. The series starts with Kakashi at 26 and the Kurama's attack having been 12 years ago when Kakashi was 14. Kakashi Became a Jonin at 13 and Obito's eye was his gift to Kakshi for his promotion. That means Obito had a year max to get to were we see him against Minato.
** [[spoiler: Considering how its been said that one needs Senju and Uchiha blood/genes/cells to unlock both full potential, and that Tobi has half his body a synthetic version of Mokuton, probably compensates in a way. Or, maybe, its less taxing to teleport himself, rather than others]]

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** A year or two nothing, this is months after his death. The series starts with Kakashi at 26 and the Kurama's attack having been 12 years ago when Kakashi was 14. Kakashi Became became a Jonin Jounin at 13 and Obito's eye was his gift to Kakshi Kakashi for his promotion. That means Obito had a year max to get to were where we see him against Minato.
** [[spoiler: Considering how its it's been said that one needs Senju and Uchiha blood/genes/cells to unlock both full potential, and that Tobi has having half his body as a synthetic version of Mokuton, Mokuton probably compensates in a way. Or, maybe, its it's less taxing to teleport himself, rather than others]]others]].



** [[spoiler: Actually, neither fighter used their full strenght against each other. While Minato's brilliance and combat experience put a dent to Obito's raw power, he was distracted by his family in danger. Obito, for his part, never used Mokuton or Enton against his former teacher.]]

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** [[spoiler: Actually, neither fighter used their full strenght strength against each other. While Minato's brilliance and combat experience put a dent to Obito's raw power, he was distracted by his family being in danger. Obito, for his part, never used Mokuton or Enton against his former teacher.]]



* [[spoiler: It comes as an even bigger TearJerker when you consider that, through all of his years as Tobi and his grudge towards Kakashi, he never managed to bring himself to take revenge and kill the later until being forced to do so for the sake of the Moon Eye Plan. Deep inside, Obito still cares for his former comrades and does everything he can to avoid facing his true feelings.]]

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* [[spoiler: It comes as an even bigger TearJerker when you consider that, through all of his years as Tobi and his grudge towards Kakashi, he never managed to bring himself to take revenge and kill the later latter until being forced to do so for the sake of the Moon Eye Plan. Deep inside, Obito still cares for his former comrades and does everything he can to avoid facing his true feelings.]]



*** Well, for one thing, there have consistently been more male than female ninja. If sending children to battle at the age of twelve instead of seven was a revolutionary concept to them, I doubt the clans were shy about marrying the non-ninja girls off the moment they were "old enough" and otherwise actively working to ensure there were enough children. Your fiance died in battle? Too bad. Here, take this forty year old, his wife just died giving birth for the sixth time.

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*** Well, for one thing, there have consistently been more male than female ninja. If sending children to battle at the age of twelve instead of seven was a revolutionary concept to them, I doubt the clans were shy about marrying the non-ninja girls off the moment they were "old enough" and otherwise actively working to ensure there were enough children. Your fiance died in battle? Too bad. Here, take this forty year old, forty-year-old, his wife just died giving birth for the sixth time.



** FridgeLogic: However it should be noted, that Kushina is also a seal specialist.

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** FridgeLogic: However However, it should be noted, that Kushina is also a seal specialist.



*** [[RealityIsUnrealistic 40 weeks is considered full term for human pregnancy.]] If 4 weeks equals one month, that makes ten months.
** Depends on how good she was. Judging from what's been implied, Minato and Jiraiya was the better specialist. Kushina may have known some advanced seals, but not to the extent Minato could, despite her being the one who taught Minato. In fact, we don't even know if Kushina could use something like the Eight Trigrams seal. She may have known it from theory alone, but it depends if she can actually pull it off. Another possibility is that she would need to know what kind of seal the Mist used. If she doesn't know the formula, she can't reverse the unsealing. It's like hacking or jailbreaking. If you don't know the code that makes up the software, you can't hack it.

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*** [[RealityIsUnrealistic 40 weeks is considered full term for human pregnancy.]] If 4 four weeks equals one month, that makes ten months.
** Depends on how good she was. Judging from what's been implied, Minato and Jiraiya was were the better specialist.specialists. Kushina may have known some advanced seals, but not to the extent Minato could, despite her being the one who taught Minato. In fact, we don't even know if Kushina could use something like the Eight Trigrams seal.Seal. She may have known it from theory alone, but it depends if she can actually pull it off. Another possibility is that she would need to know what kind of seal the Mist used. If she doesn't know the formula, she can't reverse the unsealing. It's like hacking or jailbreaking. If you don't know the code that makes up the software, you can't hack it.
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*** That's not the implication at all. In fact, Gain out right says that the Gates made Lee better than Neji. Theres no evidence that Neji or anyone else considered Lee inferior to Naruto. Firstly, because everyone in the exam knows Lee smacked Sasuke and Naruto around before they started. Neji even says that Lee should have beaten him more when Naruto arrogantly boasted that hed beat everyone in the exam. Secondly, because Lee was considered one of the elite at the exam and Natuto was considered an underdog loser.

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*** That's not the implication at all. In fact, Gain Gai out right says that the Gates made Lee better than Neji. Theres There's no evidence that Neji or anyone else considered Lee inferior to Naruto. Firstly, because everyone in the exam knows Lee smacked Sasuke and Naruto around before they started. Neji even says that Lee should have beaten him more when Naruto arrogantly boasted that hed beat everyone in the exam. Secondly, because Lee was considered one of the elite at the exam and Natuto was considered an underdog loser.



* By that logic, Gai wouldn't be able to hit him either.

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* By that logic, Gai wouldn't be able to hit him him, either.



*** Actually no. It's not that Lee can't use chakra at all, it's that he can't mold it. Hand seals mean little or nothing to him. Lee is incapable of shape recomposition or nature recomposition. No elements and no forms. Even something like Rasengan which requires no hand seals also requires the absolute highest level of shape manipulation so it's out of his grasp. But the tree climbing technique and water walking technique both only require simple manipulation of chakra in its basic state. Holding chakra to his feet and releasing it steadily respectively. I wouldn't be surprised if Lee could also use the Body flicker technique as it's just chakra control to the muscles boosting speed. Although in Lee's case that's redundant. It's a fact however that Lee can use chakra, as the Eight Gates are specifically stated when they are first described to use chakra to forcefully override the body's restrictions. But Lee can not alter his chakra into anything other than chakra in its most raw state. But that doesn't preclude him from doing simple things like canceling genjutsu either. And don't underestimate Lee becoming a full Jonin. Though Guy can use ninjutsu, he isn't special at it. He is a Jonin because of his superlative taijutsu and his goal is to make Lee even stronger than him.

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*** Actually Actually, no. It's not that Lee can't use chakra at all, it's that he can't mold it. Hand seals mean little or nothing to him. Lee is incapable of shape recomposition or nature recomposition. No elements and no forms. Even something like Rasengan which requires no hand seals also requires the absolute highest level of shape manipulation so it's out of his grasp. But the tree climbing technique and water walking technique both only require simple manipulation of chakra in its basic state. Holding chakra to his feet and releasing it steadily respectively. I wouldn't be surprised if Lee could also use the Body body flicker technique as it's just chakra control to the muscles boosting speed. Although in Lee's case that's redundant. It's a fact however that Lee can use chakra, as the Eight Gates are specifically stated when they are first described to use chakra to forcefully override the body's restrictions. But Lee can not alter his chakra into anything other than chakra in its most raw state. But that doesn't preclude him from doing simple things like canceling genjutsu genjutsu, either. And don't underestimate Lee becoming a full Jonin. Though Guy can use ninjutsu, he isn't special at it. He is a Jonin because of his superlative taijutsu and his goal is to make Lee even stronger than him.



* Sasukes hatred towards Konoha as a whole often seems unreasonable. But if you think of it: The Elders of Konoha wanted the entire Uchiha-Clan to be extincted, also innocent children who probably didn't know about a rebellion. In Sasuke's mind, it's the best to punish the entire village, regardless if they were involved in the massacre or not. Note that Sasuke's jutsu "Kirin" is named after a mythical creature that punishes evil "an eye for an eye".

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* Sasukes hatred towards Konoha as a whole often seems unreasonable. But if you think of it: The Elders of Konoha wanted the entire Uchiha-Clan Uchiha Clan to be extincted, also innocent children who probably didn't know about a rebellion. In Sasuke's mind, it's the best to punish the entire village, regardless if they were involved in the massacre or not. Note that Sasuke's jutsu "Kirin" is named after a mythical creature that punishes evil "an eye for an eye".



*** The specific condition is if a soul has not yet crossed the threshold between life and death. Kakashi and Sakumo were on the threshold the entire time -- talking to each-other. When Kakashi was being revived, Sakumo was finally able to move on. With Madara's body kept in a safe spot, which was why Obito freaked out when Kabuto revealed he got to it, Madara's soul never moved on -- he never accepted death and remained in limbo. Yahiko would have died happy knowing (or believing) that Nagato and Konan would get out of there alive, thus he'd move on.

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*** The specific condition is if a soul has not yet crossed the threshold between life and death. Kakashi and Sakumo were on the threshold the entire time -- talking to each-other.each other. When Kakashi was being revived, Sakumo was finally able to move on. With Madara's body kept in a safe spot, which was why Obito freaked out when Kabuto revealed he got to it, Madara's soul never moved on -- he never accepted death and remained in limbo. Yahiko would have died happy knowing (or believing) that Nagato and Konan would get out of there alive, thus he'd move on.
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* They probably didn't plan this far ahead, but it seemed to me that Kakashi took the Zabuza/Haku battle much more seriously after Haku jumped in front of his Lightning Cutter, basically committing suicide to protect Zabuza. Compare this to the earlier (but more recently revealed) [[spoiler:death of Rin]]: suicide by Kakashi's Lightning Cutter in order to protect [[spoiler:Konoha from the tailed beast inside her]]. Maybe the parallels shook the poor guy up.

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* They probably didn't plan this far ahead, but it seemed to me that Kakashi took the Zabuza/Haku battle much more seriously after Haku jumped in front of his Lightning Cutter, basically committing suicide to protect Zabuza. Compare this to the earlier (but more recently revealed) [[spoiler:death of Rin]]: suicide by Kakashi's Lightning Cutter in order to protect [[spoiler:Konoha from the tailed beast Tailed Beast inside her]]. Maybe the parallels shook the poor guy up.



* The Shukaku, and presumably the other tailed beasts tend to get antsy when a full moon rises. [[spoiler:Guess where their chimera body is located.]]

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* The Shukaku, and presumably the other tailed beasts Tailed Beasts tend to get antsy when a full moon rises. [[spoiler:Guess where their chimera body is located.]]



** Looking even deeper into that theory, who were the only other featured Rain Ninja during the Chunin Exams? The ''Rain Ninja that Gaara killed!'' They could have been under similar orders to observe the One Tails, but Gaara killed them in the process!

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** Looking even deeper into that theory, who were the only other featured Rain Ninja during the Chunin Exams? The ''Rain Ninja that Gaara killed!'' They could have been under similar orders to observe the One Tails, One-Tailed, but Gaara killed them in the process!



** When Orochimaru goaded Naruto about Sasuke in this arc, Naruto gradually grew his tails until he reached his 4-tailed state. When he was in that state, Sakura ran to him and begged him to stop, and he turned around and ''smacked her hard enough that he almost killed her''. Then he didn't even remember that he attacked her, and then he ''barely reacted'' when Yamato told him about it later.
** Conversely, when he thought Pain killed Hinata in the Invasion of Pain arc, Naruto ''instantly'' went to his 6-tailed state, and the manga even highlighted this as Naruto feeling "seethed with the worst emotions he'd ever felt." Essentially, he got his worst HeroicBSOD ''ever'', and this was ''only his first one'' (out of a total of four -- see that entry in his character page). Even in his 6-tailed state, even after he destroyed the First Hokage's necklace, even after [[UpToEleven he entered his 8-tailed state]], Naruto managed to not harm Hinata, let alone nearly kill her or even outright kill her. He also crossed the DespairEventHorizon so badly that [[DarkestHour he completely lost his will to live]], to the point where [[FromBadToWorse he was ready to release the Kyuubi]]. When Minato stopped him from ripping off the seal at the last second and then they talked, Minato strengthened the seal again, and Naruto reverted to normal, Katsuyu told him what happened when he was still in Kyuubi mode. Naruto immediately thought about Hinata and became worried that he might have killed her (and the other villagers) when he went berserk, and then he cried {{Manly|Tears}} TearsOfJoy when he found out that Hinata was still alive. Later on in Chapter 490, he explicitly states [[http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/490/14 here]] that being ForcedToWatch Pain attack Hinata was what caused him to go berserk -- clearly showing that he remembered what happened to be the trigger of his UnstoppableRage (Hinata), even though he was in two higher Kyuubi-states. The deaths of Jiraiya, Kakashi, and his frog-sensei, and the destruction of Konoha, had nothing to do with Naruto's UnstoppableRage; Hinata alone was the trigger. Her near-death established herself as Naruto's LivingEmotionalCrutch.
** To further appreciate this comparison, in between the incident with Sakura in this arc and the incident with Hinata in the Invasion of Pain arc, Naruto's seal had gradually been weakening over time. Minato strengthened the seal ''after'' Naruto almost released the Kyuubi, and as stated above, the only reason Naruto nearly released the Kyuubi was because he saw Hinata get hurt. This means that, in a very dark way, had Hinata not tried to help Naruto, Naruto would not have gone berserk, which meant that he would not have been able to meet Minato -- keep in mind that Minato planned for his spirit to visit Naruto ''specifically'' in case the Kyuubi ever gained that much influence over him -- nor would Naruto have learned some enlightening information about his parents, why he was made a jinchuriki, and what he was meant to do. One would think that because the seal was very weak when Naruto went berserk, 6-tailed and/or 8-tailed Kyuubi-Naruto would have definitely killed Hinata during his skirmish against Pain, which explains why he was so worried about her after Katsuyu told him what happened. In retrospect, the fact that [[PlotArmor Naruto managed to not harm Hinata any further or even come close to killing her]] when he was in his 6-tailed and 8-tailed states and the seal was a lot weaker, unlike how he almost killed Sakura when he was just in his 4-tailed state and the seal was a lot stronger, speaks volumes in the vast differences between his [[LovingAShadow "feelings"]] for [[LikeBrotherAndSister Sakura]] and, as was made clear from the {{canon}} movie ''[[Anime/TheLastNarutoTheMovie The Last]]'' onward, his underlying love for [[OneTrueLove Hinata]].

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** When Orochimaru goaded Naruto about Sasuke in this arc, Naruto gradually grew his tails until he reached his 4-tailed Four-Tailed state. When he was in that state, Sakura ran to him and begged him to stop, and he turned around and ''smacked her hard enough that he almost killed her''. Then he didn't even remember that he attacked her, and then he ''barely reacted'' when Yamato told him about it later.
** Conversely, when he thought Pain killed Hinata in the Invasion of Pain arc, Naruto ''instantly'' went to his 6-tailed Six-Tailed state, and the manga even highlighted this as Naruto feeling "seethed with the worst emotions he'd ever felt." Essentially, he got his worst HeroicBSOD ''ever'', and this was ''only his first one'' (out of a total of four -- see that entry in his character page). Even in his 6-tailed Six-Tailed state, even after he destroyed the First Hokage's necklace, even after [[UpToEleven he entered his 8-tailed Eight-Tailed state]], Naruto managed to not harm Hinata, let alone nearly kill her or even outright kill her. He also crossed the DespairEventHorizon so badly that [[DarkestHour he completely lost his will to live]], to the point where [[FromBadToWorse he was ready to release the Kyuubi]]. When Minato stopped him from ripping off the seal at the last second and then they talked, Minato strengthened the seal again, and Naruto reverted to normal, Katsuyu told him what happened when he was still in Kyuubi mode. Naruto immediately thought about Hinata and became worried that he might have killed her (and the other villagers) when he went berserk, and then he cried {{Manly|Tears}} TearsOfJoy when he found out that Hinata was still alive. Later on in Chapter 490, he explicitly states [[http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/490/14 here]] that being ForcedToWatch Pain attack Hinata was what caused him to go berserk -- clearly showing that he remembered what happened to be the trigger of his UnstoppableRage (Hinata), even though he was in two higher Kyuubi-states. The deaths of Jiraiya, Kakashi, and his frog-sensei, and the destruction of Konoha, had nothing to do with Naruto's UnstoppableRage; Hinata alone was the trigger. Her near-death established herself as Naruto's LivingEmotionalCrutch.
** To further appreciate this comparison, in between the incident with Sakura in this arc and the incident with Hinata in the Invasion of Pain arc, Naruto's seal had gradually been weakening over time. Minato strengthened the seal ''after'' Naruto almost released the Kyuubi, and as stated above, the only reason Naruto nearly released the Kyuubi was because he saw Hinata get hurt. This means that, in a very dark way, had Hinata not tried to help Naruto, Naruto would not have gone berserk, which meant that he would not have been able to meet Minato -- keep in mind that Minato planned for his spirit to visit Naruto ''specifically'' in case the Kyuubi ever gained that much influence over him -- nor would Naruto have learned some enlightening information about his parents, why he was made a jinchuriki, and what he was meant to do. One would think that because the seal was very weak when Naruto went berserk, 6-tailed Six-Tailed and/or 8-tailed Eight-Tailed Kyuubi-Naruto would have definitely killed Hinata during his skirmish against Pain, which explains why he was so worried about her after Katsuyu told him what happened. In retrospect, the fact that [[PlotArmor Naruto managed to not harm Hinata any further or even come close to killing her]] when he was in his 6-tailed Six-Tailed and 8-tailed Eight-Tailed states and the seal was a lot weaker, unlike how he almost killed Sakura when he was just in his 4-tailed Four-Tailed state and the seal was a lot stronger, speaks volumes in the vast differences between his [[LovingAShadow "feelings"]] for [[LikeBrotherAndSister Sakura]] and, as was made clear from the {{canon}} movie ''[[Anime/TheLastNarutoTheMovie The Last]]'' onward, his underlying love for [[OneTrueLove Hinata]].



* Pain taunts Naruto, who is in the [[SuperPoweredEvilSide 6-tailed state]], asking if Naruto hates him and if he still believes that people can be able to truly understand one another. Only that Naruto, while indeed furious, is under a HeroicBSOD and Kurama's at the reins. However, given later developments, it turns out Kurama is ''legitimately'' pissed as Pain is mocking the ideals of Kurama's creator and father figure, the Sage of the Six Paths. To which he reacts by forcing more chakra through the failing seal to go into the [[UpToEleven 8-tailed state]].
* I haven't actually read the most recent chapters, but all the talk surrounding it made me come to a revelation about the backstory of Pain/Nagato. The biggest complaints involved the idea that he hadn't gone through enough to justify the kind of heartless murderer he became. While this made sense, another point was made a few chapters later: [[spoiler:he can perform what amounts to Mass Raise Dead, and it's implied somewhere that he could possibly do it without dying]]. After thinking it over, Pain's character suddenly made a lot more sense. [[spoiler:He knew he could bring back the people he killed in his attacks (whether or not he actually did), and [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity knowing this led to him becoming disillusioned with life and death, caring less and less about his own murders.]] This was only compounded by his already-pretty-traumatic childhood.]] - @/ShotgunNinja

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* Pain taunts Naruto, who is in the [[SuperPoweredEvilSide 6-tailed Six-Tailed state]], asking if Naruto hates him and if he still believes that people can be able to truly understand one another. Only that Naruto, while indeed furious, is under a HeroicBSOD and Kurama's at the reins. However, given later developments, it turns out Kurama is ''legitimately'' pissed as Pain is mocking the ideals of Kurama's creator and father figure, the Sage of the Six Paths. To which he reacts by forcing more chakra through the failing seal to go into the [[UpToEleven 8-tailed Eight-Tailed state]].
* I haven't actually read the most recent chapters, but all the talk surrounding it made me come to a revelation about the backstory of Pain/Nagato. The biggest complaints involved the idea that he hadn't gone through enough to justify the kind of heartless murderer he became. While this made sense, another point was made a few chapters later: [[spoiler:he can perform what amounts to Mass Raise Dead, and it's implied somewhere that he could possibly do it without dying]]. After thinking it over, Pain's character suddenly made a lot more sense. [[spoiler:He knew he could bring back the people he killed in his attacks (whether or not he actually did), and [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity knowing this led to him becoming disillusioned with life and death, caring less and less about his own murders.]] This was only compounded by his already-pretty-traumatic childhood.]] - -- @/ShotgunNinja



** After re-reading the Pain fight, I finally understood how Naruto convinced him. It was mainly because Pain ''wasn't sure himself.'' His plan was a self admitted short-term solution that would just repeat endlessly. So, everytime he fought someone who said they were fighting for peace, he asked, "What's your plan?" When no one could answer, he continued on his way. Naruto reminded him of who he was, and just how far he had fallen in his efforts for peace. He saw in Naruto that maybe this is the one who could continue on and find a better way to peace than his own. This was someone who's beleif was unshakeable and who would keep going. A fellow pupil who could continue on, even considering all the pain he had suffered till now. So, he did the best he could to help his fellow pupil by [[spoiler: bringing the people of Konoha back to life.]]

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** After re-reading the Pain fight, I finally understood how Naruto convinced him. It was mainly because Pain ''wasn't sure himself.'' His plan was a self admitted short-term solution that would just repeat endlessly. So, everytime every time he fought someone who said they were fighting for peace, he asked, "What's your plan?" When no one could answer, he continued on his way. Naruto reminded him of who he was, and just how far he had fallen in his efforts for peace. He saw in Naruto that maybe this is the one who could continue on and find a better way to peace than his own. This was someone who's beleif belief was unshakeable and who would keep going. A fellow pupil who could continue on, even considering all the pain he had suffered till now. So, he did the best he could to help his fellow pupil by [[spoiler: bringing the people of Konoha back to life.]]



* This only really applies to the anime, but bear with me on this. I'm referring to the scene where Naruto has just heard Nagato's story and is about to give his answer. Naruto often brings up the parallels between himself and Sasuke. Sasuke's journey to being a villain began with him desiring revenge against Itachi above all else. When Naruto begins giving his answer to Nagato, in which he declares that he will ''not'' seek revenge, Itachi's theme song, Senya, starts playing in the background. At first I thought it was only because the soundtrack was a beautiful melody, but it took me a while to realize the significane of it.

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* This only really applies to the anime, but bear with me on this. I'm referring to the scene where Naruto has just heard Nagato's story and is about to give his answer. Naruto often brings up the parallels between himself and Sasuke. Sasuke's journey to being a villain began with him desiring revenge against Itachi above all else. When Naruto begins giving his answer to Nagato, in which he declares that he will ''not'' seek revenge, Itachi's theme song, Senya, starts playing in the background. At first I thought it was only because the soundtrack was a beautiful melody, but it took me a while to realize the significane significance of it.



* In retrospect, Chapters 450 and 451 [[{{Foreshadowing}} foreshadowed]] the '''definitive''' [=NaruSaku=] ShipSinking that came in Chapter 469 of the following arc. When Sakura ran up to Naruto and hugged him ([[DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale after hitting him, naturally]]) for defeating Pain, Naruto did not hug her back. Then, in the following chapter, when Tazuna asked if there was a LoveTriangle between Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura, Naruto wholeheartedly rejected the notion by cheerfully saying, "Of course not!" He was already gradually getting over his [[LovingAShadow one-sided shallow crush]] on her; it just took her infamous [[FalseConfession fake love confession]] for him to finally move on from her in the romantic sense.

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* In retrospect, Chapters 450 and 451 [[{{Foreshadowing}} foreshadowed]] the '''definitive''' [=NaruSaku=] ShipSinking that came in Chapter 469 of the following arc. When Sakura ran up to Naruto and hugged him ([[DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale after hitting him, naturally]]) for defeating Pain, Naruto did not hug her back. Then, in the following chapter, when Tazuna asked if there was a LoveTriangle between Naruto, Sasuke Sasuke, and Sakura, Naruto wholeheartedly rejected the notion by cheerfully saying, "Of course not!" He was already gradually getting over his [[LovingAShadow one-sided shallow crush]] on her; it just took her infamous [[FalseConfession fake love confession]] for him to finally move on from her in the romantic sense.



* Two more came to mean about the end of the "Hunt for the 8-Tails" Arc.\\

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* Two more came to mean about the end of the "Hunt for the 8-Tails" Eight-Tails" Arc.\\



The second was about how Sasuke stated [[spoiler:he didn't need the 8-Tails to destroy the Leaf Village because he had "a new power" that would be enough]]. This was confused me as I though he meant something yet introduced, until I realized he was just talking about [[spoiler:Amaterasu, the power he just used. He was trying to destroy a village that had wooden buildings and he had ''inextinguishable fire that burns continuously for a week'']]. His "[[KillItWithFire plan]]" became so much clearer, and if it weren't for [[spoiler:the village already being destroyed and Madara stopping him]] he could have [[spoiler:killed an ''assload'' of people]]. --@/{{thatother1dude}}

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The second was about how Sasuke stated [[spoiler:he didn't need the 8-Tails Eight-Tails to destroy the Leaf Village because he had "a new power" that would be enough]]. This was confused me as I though he meant something yet introduced, until I realized he was just talking about [[spoiler:Amaterasu, the power he just used. He was trying to destroy a village that had wooden buildings and he had ''inextinguishable fire that burns continuously for a week'']]. His "[[KillItWithFire plan]]" became so much clearer, and if it weren't for [[spoiler:the village already being destroyed and Madara stopping him]] he could have [[spoiler:killed an ''assload'' of people]]. --@/{{thatother1dude}}



* In ''Shippuden'' episode 232, Hinata was shown disappointed over being passed over for the position as field commander for the Hyuuga clan, but frankly Hiashi was absolutely right, and Hinata was misinterpreting his decision. See, it's not that her father doesn't respect her or recognize the fact that she has gotten a lot stronger, it's that strength alone does not a commander make. He wasn't doubting her strength; he was doubting her fitness as a commander because of her bearing and judgment. Determination to win without regard for one's own safety is a laudable trait in an individual soldier or even a platoon commander, but a field grade officer can't be recklessly endangering her own life the way Hinata has on two separate occasions, because if the field officer is killed or incapacitated, the troops are sent into disarray. Her training has been entirely focused on improving her personal skills, and she has no command experience to speak of. Her inexperience, recklessness and self-doubt was liable to get her subordinates killed.

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* In ''Shippuden'' episode Episode 232, Hinata was shown disappointed over being passed over for the position as field commander for the Hyuuga clan, but frankly Hiashi was absolutely right, and Hinata was misinterpreting his decision. See, it's not that her father doesn't respect her or recognize the fact that she has gotten a lot stronger, it's that strength alone does not a commander make. He wasn't doubting her strength; he was doubting her fitness as a commander because of her bearing and judgment. Determination to win without regard for one's own safety is a laudable trait in an individual soldier or even a platoon commander, but a field grade officer can't be recklessly endangering her own life the way Hinata has on two separate occasions, because if the field officer is killed or incapacitated, the troops are sent into disarray. Her training has been entirely focused on improving her personal skills, and she has no command experience to speak of. Her inexperience, recklessness recklessness, and self-doubt was liable to get her subordinates killed.



** Secondly, the one who brought up this fact was Ay right? However doesn’t anyone find that kinda sketchy? Ay has been characterized as a person who cares and looks out for his men, especially Killer Bee however he is also a bit of a hypocritic since denies a lot of incidents that the Hidden Cloud village were responsible in (Stealing ninjustu from other villages, abducting a young Hinata and Kushina, causing the death of Tobirama, the Second Hokage). He is also characterized as a person who gets really aggressive and stubborn when Killer Bee is in danger. Now considering that both Naruto and Killer Bee were at risk of being capture and killed, would it really be out of Ay’s character to Lie about the Kyuubi being able to revive in order to kill Naruto to save his brother, the world and keep the Biju truce with the Hidden Leaf?

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** Secondly, the one who brought up this fact was Ay right? However However, doesn’t anyone find that kinda sketchy? Ay has been characterized as a person who cares and looks out for his men, especially Killer Bee however he is also a bit of a hypocritic since denies a lot of incidents that the Hidden Cloud village were responsible in (Stealing ninjustu from other villages, abducting a young Hinata and Kushina, causing the death of Tobirama, the Second Hokage). He is also characterized as a person who gets really aggressive and stubborn when Killer Bee is in danger. Now considering that both Naruto and Killer Bee were at risk of being capture and killed, would it really be out of Ay’s character to Lie about the Kyuubi being able to revive in order to kill Naruto to save his brother, the world and keep the Biju truce with the Hidden Leaf?



*** Third, why would Madara risk losing a tailed-beast that is needed for the Moon-Eye Plan in a gambit to get a kid on to his side? He wouldn’t, because killing the Biju would stop the plan completely

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*** Third, why would Madara risk losing a tailed-beast Tailed Beast that is needed for the Moon-Eye Plan in a gambit to get a kid on to his side? He wouldn’t, because killing the Biju would stop the plan completely



* After Tobi is revealed to be [[spoiler: Obito Uchiha, the latter attacks Naruto, Gai and Kakashi with a powerful fire-breathing jutsu, further enhanced by his use of Kamui. This prompted fans to question why Obito never used such powerful fire jutsu in his other battles. However, what they forget is that as Tobi, Obito was practically always masked. Since the vast majority of Uchiha fire jutsu are launched from the mouth, this would have been quite impossible for Obito to do without unmasking himself in the process.]]

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* After Tobi is revealed to be [[spoiler: Obito Uchiha, the latter attacks Naruto, Gai Gai, and Kakashi with a powerful fire-breathing jutsu, further enhanced by his use of Kamui. This prompted fans to question why Obito never used such powerful fire jutsu in his other battles. However, what they forget is that as Tobi, Obito was practically always masked. Since the vast majority of Uchiha fire jutsu are launched from the mouth, this would have been quite impossible for Obito to do without unmasking himself in the process.]]



** Well, seeing as how much trouble Tobi was having with Sasuke, that doesn't really work. Why would Obito hand Sasuke godhood? The way they were talking, it sounds like only [[spoiler: Madara is really powerful enough to be capable of being the host of the Ten Tails. Otherwise, Obito could just do it himself. That being said, thanks to Obito, Sasuke has the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan. Give him an infusion of Senju DNA, which Obito has an abundance of, and Sasuke would have the Rinnegan as well. It's possible that Obito was planning to manipulate Sasuke, who really knows nothing about what is going on, into unknowingly sacrificing himself to revive Madara. Yes, there would be risks to Sasuke getting the Rinnegan, which he wouldn't know anything about, but there are even more risks to giving him infinite raw chakra, which any ninja could figure out what to do with]]. Not a bad idea, really.

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** Well, seeing as how much trouble Tobi was having with Sasuke, that doesn't really work. Why would Obito hand Sasuke godhood? The way they were talking, it sounds like only [[spoiler: Madara is really powerful enough to be capable of being the host of the Ten Tails.Ten-Tails. Otherwise, Obito could just do it himself. That being said, thanks to Obito, Sasuke has the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan. Give him an infusion of Senju DNA, which Obito has an abundance of, and Sasuke would have the Rinnegan as well. It's possible that Obito was planning to manipulate Sasuke, who really knows nothing about what is going on, into unknowingly sacrificing himself to revive Madara. Yes, there would be risks to Sasuke getting the Rinnegan, which he wouldn't know anything about, but there are even more risks to giving him infinite raw chakra, which any ninja could figure out what to do with]]. Not a bad idea, really.



* I always wondered why Tobi went and manipulated the Hidden Mist into becoming the Bloody Mist. In Chapter 629 we find out that [[spoiler: Rin was turned into a host for the Three Tails to be use to destroy Konoha by having the seal break as soon as she was within it, which caused her to commit Suicide by Cop to avoid such a fate.]] Suddenly it was clear that Tobi didn't run Mist straight into the ground because it was helpful to his plans but to get back at them for putting [[spoiler:Rin]] in that position.

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* I always wondered why Tobi went and manipulated the Hidden Mist into becoming the Bloody Mist. In Chapter 629 we find out that [[spoiler: Rin was turned into a host for the Three Tails Three-Tails to be use to destroy Konoha by having the seal break as soon as she was within it, which caused her to commit Suicide by Cop to avoid such a fate.]] Suddenly it was clear that Tobi didn't run Mist straight into the ground because it was helpful to his plans but to get back at them for putting [[spoiler:Rin]] in that position.



* This troper always wondered why removing a tailed beast automatically kills its human container, and then one day it occured to me. In Part I, there's a [[FreezeFrameBonus blink-and-you'll-miss-it]] scene (in the Naruto vs. Neji battle) where Naruto's chakra network is veiwed. Naruto's standard blue human chakra circulates throughout his body, but the Kyuubi shows up as a bright orange ball in the center, which then sends itself through the 'lines' of his chakra network when he calls upon it. The extraction ritual is [[FridgeHorror basically tearing that chakra right out of the center of the host's body]], basically ripping their chakra network to shreds. With this in mind, it makes it all that more impressive that [[spoiler: Kushina was not only able to survive having this happen to her, but actually maintain consciousness and even fire off a barrier jutsu or two afterwards.]]

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* This troper always wondered why removing a tailed beast Tailed Beast automatically kills its human container, and then one day it occured occurred to me. In Part I, there's a [[FreezeFrameBonus blink-and-you'll-miss-it]] scene (in the Naruto vs. Neji battle) where Naruto's chakra network is veiwed.viewed. Naruto's standard blue human chakra circulates throughout his body, but the Kyuubi shows up as a bright orange ball in the center, which then sends itself through the 'lines' of his chakra network when he calls upon it. The extraction ritual is [[FridgeHorror basically tearing that chakra right out of the center of the host's body]], basically ripping their chakra network to shreds. With this in mind, it makes it all that more impressive that [[spoiler: Kushina was not only able to survive having this happen to her, but actually maintain consciousness and even fire off a barrier jutsu or two afterwards.]]



* On the subject of Neji, ''why the heck didn't the Hyuuga clan, the 2nd or 3rd most powerful clan in Konoha, just kill the kidnappers instead of sacrificing one of their own?''

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* On the subject of Neji, ''why the heck didn't the Hyuuga clan, the 2nd second or 3rd third most powerful clan in Konoha, just kill the kidnappers instead of sacrificing one of their own?''



** In Chapter 622 it's pretty much confirmed canon, we are shown just how '''''bad''''' Hashirama and Madara had it in their childhoods. So the D/C rank missions are no doubt the solutions Hashirama created to solve the problems from the previous era, and prevent anymore needless deaths.

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** In Chapter 622 622, it's pretty much confirmed canon, we are shown just how '''''bad''''' Hashirama and Madara had it in their childhoods. So So, the D/C rank missions are no doubt the solutions Hashirama created to solve the problems from the previous era, and prevent anymore needless deaths.



### Both are considered really scary by their sons when they get mad. Naruto points this out about Kushina in Chapter 498. Boruto points this out about Hinata in the ''Manga/{{Boruto}}'' anime, specifically Episodes 1, 10 and 18.

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### Both are considered really scary by their sons when they get mad. Naruto points this out about Kushina in Chapter 498. Boruto points this out about Hinata in the ''Manga/{{Boruto}}'' anime, specifically Episodes 1, 10 10, and 18.



* Another related to Tobi. In Chapter 602 it is revealed that the [[spoiler: massive chamber which contains both the Gedo Mazo and the Hashirama tree is a creation of Real!Madara. While Obito may have expanded his hideout from there, it is still the place where he fell after being crushed by the rocks. In other words, he has been ''unable to move past that incident mentally or physically after all this time''.]]

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* Another related to Tobi. In Chapter 602 602, it is revealed that the [[spoiler: massive chamber which contains both the Gedo Mazo and the Hashirama tree is a creation of Real!Madara. While Obito may have expanded his hideout from there, it is still the place where he fell after being crushed by the rocks. In other words, he has been ''unable to move past that incident mentally or physically after all this time''.]]



* [[spoiler: Obito Uchiha's]] goals have gone through MotiveDecay ever since he became Tobi. At first, he wanted to bring everybody into a perfect world, but over the years, he seems to talk more and more about wiping the world out entirely. Remember how Naruto used to go through personality changes whenever the Kyuubi's chakra took over? What if Tobi's MotiveDecay is a result of his contact with Ten Tails chakra? We know for a fact that he can't control that thing perfectly. Plus, even before the Ten Tails was reborn, he was still in contact with its chakra via the Heretic Statue.

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* [[spoiler: Obito Uchiha's]] goals have gone through MotiveDecay ever since he became Tobi. At first, he wanted to bring everybody into a perfect world, but over the years, he seems to talk more and more about wiping the world out entirely. Remember how Naruto used to go through personality changes whenever the Kyuubi's chakra took over? What if Tobi's MotiveDecay is a result of his contact with Ten Tails Ten-Tails chakra? We know for a fact that he can't control that thing perfectly. Plus, even before the Ten Tails Ten-Tails was reborn, he was still in contact with its chakra via the Heretic Statue.



* Just before the TimeSkip, Jiraiya informs Naruto that he is safe from the Akatsuki for about three years, but with no reason why. [[spoiler: In the latest chapter, it is revealed that when Kakashi killed Rin, she was the jinchuriki for Sanbi, the three tails.]] It's been stated before that when a jinchuriki dies, the tailed beast within dies too but will be revived after a long period of time. [[spoiler: Sanbi]] may not have been revived until near the end of the TimeSkip, so there was no point for the Akatsuki to risk capturing the other tailed beasts yet when they would still be one short.

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* Just before the TimeSkip, Jiraiya informs Naruto that he is safe from the Akatsuki for about three years, but with no reason why. [[spoiler: In the latest chapter, it is revealed that when Kakashi killed Rin, she was the jinchuriki for Sanbi, the three tails.Three-Tails.]] It's been stated before that when a jinchuriki dies, the tailed beast Tailed Beast within dies too but will be revived after a long period of time. [[spoiler: Sanbi]] may not have been revived until near the end of the TimeSkip, so there was no point for the Akatsuki to risk capturing the other tailed beasts Tailed Beasts yet when they would still be one short.



** Furthermore while Kaguya's character was incredibly rushed, it was hardly and AssPull, not only is the name from the clan Kimimaro comes from, but she was effectively foreshadowed when Pain explains how the Sage of Sixth Paths created the moon with a Planetary Devastation jutsu to seal a monster, though this could mean just the ten tails since it was mentioned not long after, is really more an issue that Kishimoto didn't knew how to introduce Kaguya rather than not knowing how to defeat Madara.

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** Furthermore while Kaguya's character was incredibly rushed, it was hardly and AssPull, not only is the name from the clan Kimimaro comes from, but she was effectively foreshadowed when Pain explains how the Sage of Sixth Paths created the moon with a Planetary Devastation jutsu to seal a monster, though this could mean just the ten tails Ten-Tails since it was mentioned not long after, is really more an issue that Kishimoto didn't knew how to introduce Kaguya rather than not knowing how to defeat Madara.



** Due to his Uzumaki lineage, Naruto possesses a powerful life-force and physical energy, giving him an extreme longevity, stamina, and vitality. From this, he could survive the extraction of a tailed beast (albeit he was rendered unconscious and in a critical state). Naruto is also known for his greatly accelerated healing. Naruto has always demonstrated large chakra reserves, creating hundreds of multiple shadow clones at the age of 12, something not even common for high jounin level ninja. His lineage is part of the reason why he could synchronise with Kurama's chakra, this answers Yamato's thought as to why Naruto could enter the Four-Tailed Chakra Cloak and not die instantly. Being a [[spoiler:reincarnation of Asura]] further reinforces his chakra prowess and physical energy.
** During the Kage Summit, Karin remarked Sasuke's chakra had grown much darker than when using his cursed seal. When Sasuke met Kurama inside Naruto for the first time, the Nine Tailed Fox told Sasuke he had a much darker chakra than his own just like Madara Uchiha, [[spoiler:the previous reincarnation of Indra.]]

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** Due to his Uzumaki lineage, Naruto possesses a powerful life-force and physical energy, giving him an extreme longevity, stamina, and vitality. From this, he could survive the extraction of a tailed beast Tailed Beast (albeit he was rendered unconscious and in a critical state). Naruto is also known for his greatly accelerated healing. Naruto has always demonstrated large chakra reserves, creating hundreds of multiple shadow clones at the age of 12, something not even common for high jounin level ninja. His lineage is part of the reason why he could synchronise with Kurama's chakra, this answers Yamato's thought as to why Naruto could enter the Four-Tailed Chakra Cloak and not die instantly. Being a [[spoiler:reincarnation of Asura]] further reinforces his chakra prowess and physical energy.
** During the Kage Summit, Karin remarked Sasuke's chakra had grown much darker than when using his cursed seal. When Sasuke met Kurama inside Naruto for the first time, the Nine Tailed Nine-Tailed Fox told Sasuke he had a much darker chakra than his own just like Madara Uchiha, [[spoiler:the previous reincarnation of Indra.]]



* If you think carefully, the Sharingan might have been born from [[spoiler: The Ten Tails, a demon monster.]] That means [[spoiler: Uchiha might have inherited demon blood and are more sensitive to negative feelings.]]

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* If you think carefully, the Sharingan might have been born from [[spoiler: The Ten Tails, Ten-Tails, a demon monster.]] That means [[spoiler: Uchiha might have inherited demon blood and are more sensitive to negative feelings.]]



* Way back in episode three, Sakura telling Sasuke that Naruto is a jerk because he never had [[KickTheDog parents.]] Bad enough that Sasuke heard this, but if Naruto, who was impersonating him at the time, heard this, [[FridgeHorror who knows what that would do to him?]]

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* Way back in episode three, Episode 3, Sakura telling Sasuke that Naruto is a jerk because he never had [[KickTheDog parents.]] Bad enough that Sasuke heard this, but if Naruto, who was impersonating him at the time, heard this, [[FridgeHorror who knows what that would do to him?]]



* The reason the leaders of the villages allowed the cruelty to the jinchuriki when they should have been trying to ensure their loyalty? They probably decided that the tailed beasts were more trouble than they were worth and tried to goad the jinchuriki into suicide, also killing the beast.

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* The reason the leaders of the villages allowed the cruelty to the jinchuriki when they should have been trying to ensure their loyalty? They probably decided that the tailed beasts Tailed Beasts were more trouble than they were worth and tried to goad the jinchuriki into suicide, also killing the beast.



* In the latest chapter we learn [[spoiler: Madara implanted his real eyes into Nagato without him knowing.]] Thus confirming what Tobi told Konan. But that begs the question, WHERE DID HE GET THOSE NEW EYES?!

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* In the latest chapter chapter, we learn [[spoiler: Madara implanted his real eyes into Nagato without him knowing.]] Thus confirming what Tobi told Konan. But that begs the question, WHERE DID HE GET THOSE NEW EYES?!



*** Except that is completely false. Gyuuki took over the bodies of his host and was just sealed into another host. When the third tails' host died(Rin) it roamed free for over a decade.

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*** Except that is completely false. Gyuuki took over the bodies of his host and was just sealed into another host. When the third tails' Three-Tails' host died(Rin) died (Rin) it roamed free for over a decade.



*** The problem with that theory is that three tailed died and was revived. He remembers the Sage of Six Path very well.

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*** The problem with that theory is that three tailed Three-Tailed died and was revived. He remembers the Sage of Six Path very well.



* Why the hell didn't Tobi [[OrcusOnHisThrone just grab Naruto himself]] years ago, before he became powerful enough to challenge his plans? Even if he had to seal the Kyuubi last for his plan to work, he could have just kept Naruto imprisoned until he had the other tailed beasts.

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* Why the hell didn't Tobi [[OrcusOnHisThrone just grab Naruto himself]] years ago, before he became powerful enough to challenge his plans? Even if he had to seal the Kyuubi last for his plan to work, he could have just kept Naruto imprisoned until he had the other tailed beasts.Tailed Beasts.



*** Because without the other 8 tailed beasts, capturing Naruto is useless to the Akatsuki, and there's plenty of stuff that could go wrong in the interim. There's no way he didn't know Nagato had his own agenda, and why risk a scenario where Nagato could use Naruto to help him overthrow Tobi? As it turns out, Tobi would have been in serious trouble if he had to fight Nagato, Konan and Naruto in short succession, and Nagato would be quite happy to pull a LetsYouAndHimFight between Naruto and Tobi.

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*** Because without the other 8 tailed beasts, eight Tailed Beasts, capturing Naruto is useless to the Akatsuki, and there's plenty of stuff that could go wrong in the interim. There's no way he didn't know Nagato had his own agenda, and why risk a scenario where Nagato could use Naruto to help him overthrow Tobi? As it turns out, Tobi would have been in serious trouble if he had to fight Nagato, Konan and Naruto in short succession, and Nagato would be quite happy to pull a LetsYouAndHimFight between Naruto and Tobi.



* Why would [[spoiler: Rin]] think it was a better idea to [[spoiler: kill herself and get rid of the Sanbi so as to not risk it being unleashed on Konoha when Minato, Kushina, Jiraiya, and the Third Hokage are all still alive and among the best seal masters around? The Kyuubi is far stronger than the Three Tails so suppressing or resealing it would be incredibly easy for Minato, and they would gain another Biju in the middle of a war giving them a boost in power. Instead it ends up going right back to the people who sealed it in her after her death. Even worse ''Minato'' was on his way to back her and Kakashi up so it wouldn't have even made it into the village in the first place.]]

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* Why would [[spoiler: Rin]] think it was a better idea to [[spoiler: kill herself and get rid of the Sanbi so as to not risk it being unleashed on Konoha when Minato, Kushina, Jiraiya, and the Third Hokage are all still alive and among the best seal masters around? The Kyuubi is far stronger than the Three Tails Three-Tails, so suppressing or resealing it would be incredibly easy for Minato, and they would gain another Biju in the middle of a war giving them a boost in power. Instead it ends up going right back to the people who sealed it in her after her death. Even worse ''Minato'' was on his way to back her and Kakashi up so it wouldn't have even made it into the village in the first place.]]



** [[spoiler:I don't know where you can find a reference for this, but I could swear that this was mentioned at some point in the manga -- there's a reason why the tailed beasts are all sealed inside children. The tailed-beast's chakra significantly alters and affects a person's chakra network. When sealed inside a child, the tailed-beast is mixed with that child's chakra network, and the child's chakra network adapts to the large amount of chakra that comes from the tailed-beast as they grow older. This is the reason why the host dies if the tailed-beast is ever ripped out of the Jinchuriki's body -- the core of their chakra networks is essentially being ripped out (except for anyone from the Uzumaki clan, who all have a great amount of their own chakra to still draw from). That said, the older a host initially is, the less capable that person is of adapting to the tailed-beast's chakra in their system, meaning Rin was far from being capable of taking in Isobu the same way that Naruto, Gaara, and Bee were able to with their respective tailed-beasts. Not to mention the sealing work done by the Mist Ninja was already intentionally shoddy to account for the time it would take Rin and Kakashi to reach Konoha, so her fate was sealed the moment they put the Three-Tails inside of her -- she was either going die from the seal's failure and Isobu forcing its way out, or by Isobu ripping her chakra system apart and destroying her internally, that is if the Mist Ninja didn't kill Kakashi during the chase and use some other means of delivering her to Konoha. If I'm completely mistaken about something mentioning the age of the host at the time of implantation being important in the manga... well, it makes for a great theory.]] That said, to completely answer the original troper's question of why [[spoiler:Rin]] would want to kill herself in that particular situation, [[spoiler:Rin making it to Konoha would have been playing in to the Mist Village's entire plan in the first place. Kirigakure's entire plan revolved around taking a Konoha ninja and turning him/her into a literal TykeBomb that would destroy Konoha upon arrival, and Rin didn't want that to happen]]. And really, regardless of whatever arguments can be made for her actions, [[spoiler:Rin]] ''didn't have time to think about any and all of this while being chased down by Mist ninja''.

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** [[spoiler:I don't know where you can find a reference for this, but I could swear that this was mentioned at some point in the manga -- there's a reason why the tailed beasts Tailed Beasts are all sealed inside children. The tailed-beast's Tailed Beast's chakra significantly alters and affects a person's chakra network. When sealed inside a child, the tailed-beast Tailed Beast is mixed with that child's chakra network, and the child's chakra network adapts to the large amount of chakra that comes from the tailed-beast Tailed Beast as they grow older. This is the reason why the host dies if the tailed-beast Tailed Beast is ever ripped out of the Jinchuriki's body -- the core of their chakra networks is essentially being ripped out (except for anyone from the Uzumaki clan, who all have a great amount of their own chakra to still draw from). That said, the older a host initially is, the less capable that person is of adapting to the tailed-beast's Tailed Beast's chakra in their system, meaning Rin was far from being capable of taking in Isobu the same way that Naruto, Gaara, and Bee were able to with their respective tailed-beasts.Tailed Beasts. Not to mention the sealing work done by the Mist Ninja was already intentionally shoddy to account for the time it would take Rin and Kakashi to reach Konoha, so her fate was sealed the moment they put the Three-Tails inside of her -- she was either going die from the seal's failure and Isobu forcing its way out, or by Isobu ripping her chakra system apart and destroying her internally, that is if the Mist Ninja didn't kill Kakashi during the chase and use some other means of delivering her to Konoha. If I'm completely mistaken about something mentioning the age of the host at the time of implantation being important in the manga... well, it makes for a great theory.]] That said, to completely answer the original troper's question of why [[spoiler:Rin]] would want to kill herself in that particular situation, [[spoiler:Rin making it to Konoha would have been playing in to the Mist Village's entire plan in the first place. Kirigakure's entire plan revolved around taking a Konoha ninja and turning him/her into a literal TykeBomb that would destroy Konoha upon arrival, and Rin didn't want that to happen]]. And really, regardless of whatever arguments can be made for her actions, [[spoiler:Rin]] ''didn't have time to think about any and all of this while being chased down by Mist ninja''.



** Powerful enough to blow apart his torso and dwarf the explosive power of a ''[[FantasticNuke Tailed Beast Bomb]]''. Keep in mind that Madara, in his Ten-Tails form, is [[GodModeSue the most resilient and durable shinobi of all time]], and even before his Jinchuuriki-hood, he withstood a physical and ninjutsu assault from ''all nine tailed beasts'', so of course he had good reason to be worried.

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** Powerful enough to blow apart his torso and dwarf the explosive power of a ''[[FantasticNuke Tailed Beast Bomb]]''. Keep in mind that Madara, in his Ten-Tails form, is [[GodModeSue the most resilient and durable shinobi of all time]], and even before his Jinchuuriki-hood, he withstood a physical and ninjutsu assault from ''all nine tailed beasts'', Tailed Beasts'', so of course he had good reason to be worried.



* Black Zetsu explains how everything that has happened in the franchise is his fault, all makes plausible sense until you get to the Fourth Shinobi War, if we recall, Madara's original plan was to collect the ten tailed beasts use the Rinnegan from Nagato to revive and bring down the Infinite Tsukuyomi, Obito's plan was to use Sasuke after Nagato got defeated and he was 2 tailed beasts shy from getting it, either way Infinite Tsukuyomi=Kaguya, Black Zetsu never planned on the complete wild card that Kabuto was nor the 4th Shinobi War, not to mention all the dangling threads in the war itself, like the fact that while reversing the Edo Tensei takes time enough to sign off the contract taking the resurrected free will is immediate. BZ was lucky Kabuto was busy fighting the Uchiha brothers, was lucky that Itachi placed a Genjutsu on himself that ORIGINALLY was meant to Sasuke.

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* Black Zetsu explains how everything that has happened in the franchise is his fault, all makes plausible sense until you get to the Fourth Shinobi War, if we recall, Madara's original plan was to collect the ten tailed beasts Tailed Beasts use the Rinnegan from Nagato to revive and bring down the Infinite Tsukuyomi, Obito's plan was to use Sasuke after Nagato got defeated and he was 2 tailed beasts two Tailed Beasts shy from getting it, either way Infinite Tsukuyomi=Kaguya, Black Zetsu never planned on the complete wild card that Kabuto was nor the 4th Fourth Shinobi World War, not to mention all the dangling threads in the war itself, like the fact that while reversing the Edo Tensei takes time enough to sign off the contract taking the resurrected free will is immediate. BZ was lucky Kabuto was busy fighting the Uchiha brothers, was lucky that Itachi placed a Genjutsu on himself that ORIGINALLY was meant to Sasuke.
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*** It makes perfect sense for the test to be the same simple jutsu. The clone jutsu is one of the staples of being a ninja and a basic skill. If a Genin can't do that, how can you expect him to take on the more difficult aspects of shinobi training? Of course, it's only not applicable to Naruto because he learns the Shadow Clones, but he is a special case.

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*** It makes perfect sense for the test to be the same simple jutsu. The clone jutsu is one of the staples of being a ninja and a basic skill. If a Genin genin can't do that, how can you expect him to take on the more difficult aspects of shinobi training? Of course, it's only not applicable to Naruto because he learns the Shadow Clones, but he is a special case.



*** Although the above could be mitigated by two factors: First is that lee is clearly very intent on becoming a Justuless ninja, so they may have designed a second test. Second is that Might Guy is also a high ranking ninja, and he clearly is a master at Taijutsu, so even if they don't normally have course for Taijutus only, Might Guy may have them make an execption.
* Remember Kakashi's Ninja Test to steal the bells was designed to see if one person would sacrifice their goals for the good of the group? It gets a new meaning when you read Kakashi Gaiden and see Obito sacrifice his life to save Kakashi and Rin.

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*** Although the above could be mitigated by two factors: First First, is that lee Lee is clearly very intent on becoming a Justuless Jutsu-less ninja, so they may have designed a second test. Second Second, is that Might Guy is also a high ranking ninja, and he clearly is a master at Taijutsu, taijutsu, so even if they don't normally have course courses for Taijutus taijutsu only, Might Guy may have them make an execption.
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* Remember Kakashi's Ninja Test to steal the bells was designed to see if one person would sacrifice their goals for the good of the group? It gets a new meaning when you read Kakashi Gaiden ''Kakashi Gaiden'' and see Obito sacrifice his life to save Kakashi and Rin.



* Kakashi gives Naruto to Ebisu and they head to the hotsprings, because that's where Jiraiya was.

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* Kakashi gives Naruto to Ebisu and they head to the hotsprings, hot springs, because that's where Jiraiya was.



* Shizune mentioned that Tsunade's necklace only acknowledged her and that anyone else who wore it would die within a day. Naruto has not died yet and has had it for about three years. He is still alive. And guess who else had the necklace for a long time? HASHIRAMA! So the first two people to survive the necklace became Hokage. So this is Kishi's way of saying that Naruto will definitely become Hokage!

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* Shizune mentioned that Tsunade's necklace only acknowledged her and that anyone else who wore it would die within a day. Naruto has not died yet and has had it for about three years. He is still alive. And guess who else had the necklace for a long time? HASHIRAMA! So the first two people to survive the necklace became Hokage. So So, this is Kishi's way of saying that Naruto will definitely become Hokage!



*** Actually, ''"Hi, we're the bad guys, tell us where the McGuffin is; if you don't' we'll either kill you or beat the crap out of you to show how strong we are"'' is a fairly classic way of introducing new villains. It was aknowledged in-universe that Itachi was well meaning but just made a horrible mess of things.

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*** Actually, ''"Hi, we're the bad guys, tell us where the McGuffin [=MacGuffin=] is; if you don't' we'll either kill you or beat the crap out of you to show how strong we are"'' is a fairly classic way of introducing new villains. It was aknowledged acknowledged in-universe that Itachi was well meaning but just made a horrible mess of things.



* For a ''very'' long time I just thought Neji vs. Kidomaru was just supposedly to be a cool fight, but then I realized it was more than that: it was the ultimate culmination of Neji's story. Ever since [[DefeatMeansFriendship he lost to Naruto]] and learned of his father's true fate he decide that people ''aren't'' limited to the what's decided for them at birth. Kidomaru was beating him by exploiting the Byakugan's blind spot--its inherent flaw. While [[NietzscheWannabe the old Neji]] would have given in when faced with such an obstacle, the new Neji didn't, and ''won'', thus proving his new beliefs to be true. --@/{{thatother1dude}}

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* For a ''very'' long time I just thought Neji vs. Kidomaru was just supposedly to be a cool fight, but then I realized it was more than that: it was the ultimate culmination of Neji's story. Ever since [[DefeatMeansFriendship he lost to Naruto]] and learned of his father's true fate he decide that people ''aren't'' limited to the what's decided for them at birth. Kidomaru was beating him by exploiting the Byakugan's blind spot--its spot -- its inherent flaw. While [[NietzscheWannabe the old Neji]] would have given in when faced with such an obstacle, the new Neji didn't, and ''won'', thus proving his new beliefs to be true. --@/{{thatother1dude}}



* When Naruto meets Sakura upon his return from training with Jiraya, she asks if she looks more like a woman now, and Naruto replies that she's the same as ever. Naturally, Sakura is irritated by this, but the series has since demonstrated that Naruto was absolutely right. Sakura may have gotten stronger and matured physically, but emotionally she's still the same 13-year-old girl from the end of Part I. Making matters worse, she doesn't recognize this, which makes her dangerous, as so clearly demonstrated by her botched attempt to assassinate Sasuke.

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* When Naruto meets Sakura upon his return from training with Jiraya, Jiraiya, she asks if she looks more like a woman now, and Naruto replies that she's the same as ever. Naturally, Sakura is irritated by this, but the series has since demonstrated that Naruto was absolutely right. Sakura may have gotten stronger and matured physically, but emotionally she's still the same 13-year-old girl from the end of Part I. Making matters worse, she doesn't recognize this, which makes her dangerous, as so clearly demonstrated by her botched attempt to assassinate Sasuke.



* During the confrontation with Sasuke, Naruto mentally talks to the Kyuubi, before Sasuke invades this - the Kyuubi has this to say: "''-snip-'' and a chakra more ominous than my own." At first, you might interpret this as a statement that Sasuke's hatred outclasses even the Kyuubi, a malevolent mass of hatred... but then, after the reveal that [[spoiler: Kurama is not malevolent, merely misunderstood]], the line almost borders on {{Foreshadowing}} in hindsight.

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* During the confrontation with Sasuke, Naruto mentally talks to the Kyuubi, before Sasuke invades this - -- the Kyuubi has this to say: "''-snip-'' and a chakra more ominous than my own." At first, you might interpret this as a statement that Sasuke's hatred outclasses even the Kyuubi, a malevolent mass of hatred... but then, after the reveal that [[spoiler: Kurama is not malevolent, merely misunderstood]], the line almost borders on {{Foreshadowing}} in hindsight.



** Conversely, when he thought Pain killed Hinata in the Invasion of Pain arc, Naruto ''instantly'' went to his 6-tailed state, and the manga even highlighted this as Naruto feeling "seethed with the worst emotions he'd ever felt." Essentially, he got his worst HeroicBSOD ''ever'', and this was ''only his first one'' (out of a total of four--see that entry in his character page). Even in his 6-tailed state, even after he destroyed the First Hokage's necklace, even after [[UpToEleven he entered his 8-tailed state]], Naruto managed to not harm Hinata, let alone nearly kill her or even outright kill her. He also crossed the DespairEventHorizon so badly that [[DarkestHour he completely lost his will to live]], to the point where [[FromBadToWorse he was ready to release the Kyuubi]]. When Minato stopped him from ripping off the seal at the last second and then they talked, Minato strengthened the seal again, and Naruto reverted to normal, Katsuyu told him what happened when he was still in Kyuubi mode. Naruto immediately thought about Hinata and became worried that he might have killed her (and the other villagers) when he went berserk, and then he cried {{Manly|Tears}} TearsOfJoy when he found out that Hinata was still alive. Later on in Chapter 490, he explicitly states [[http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/490/14 here]] that being ForcedToWatch Pain attack Hinata was what caused him to go berserk--clearly showing that he remembered what happened to be the trigger of his UnstoppableRage (Hinata), even though he was in two higher Kyuubi-states. The deaths of Jiraiya, Kakashi, and his frog-sensei, and the destruction of Konoha, had nothing to do with Naruto's UnstoppableRage; Hinata alone was the trigger. Her near-death established herself as Naruto's LivingEmotionalCrutch.
** To further appreciate this comparison, in between the incident with Sakura in this arc and the incident with Hinata in the Invasion of Pain arc, Naruto's seal had gradually been weakening over time. Minato strengthened the seal ''after'' Naruto almost released the Kyuubi, and as stated above, the only reason Naruto nearly released the Kyuubi was because he saw Hinata get hurt. This means that, in a very dark way, had Hinata not tried to help Naruto, Naruto would not have gone berserk, which meant that he would not have been able to meet Minato--keep in mind that Minato planned for his spirit to visit Naruto ''specifically'' in case the Kyuubi ever gained that much influence over him--nor would Naruto have learned some enlightening information about his parents, why he was made a jinchuriki, and what he was meant to do. One would think that because the seal was very weak when Naruto went berserk, 6-tailed and/or 8-tailed Kyuubi-Naruto would have definitely killed Hinata during his skirmish against Pain, which explains why he was so worried about her after Katsuyu told him what happened. In retrospect, the fact that [[PlotArmor Naruto managed to not harm Hinata any further or even come close to killing her]] when he was in his 6-tailed and 8-tailed states and the seal was a lot weaker, unlike how he almost killed Sakura when he was just in his 4-tailed state and the seal was a lot stronger, speaks volumes in the vast differences between his [[LovingAShadow "feelings"]] for [[LikeBrotherAndSister Sakura]] and, as was made clear from the {{canon}} movie ''[[Anime/TheLastNarutoTheMovie The Last]]'' onward, his underlying love for [[OneTrueLove Hinata]].

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** Conversely, when he thought Pain killed Hinata in the Invasion of Pain arc, Naruto ''instantly'' went to his 6-tailed state, and the manga even highlighted this as Naruto feeling "seethed with the worst emotions he'd ever felt." Essentially, he got his worst HeroicBSOD ''ever'', and this was ''only his first one'' (out of a total of four--see four -- see that entry in his character page). Even in his 6-tailed state, even after he destroyed the First Hokage's necklace, even after [[UpToEleven he entered his 8-tailed state]], Naruto managed to not harm Hinata, let alone nearly kill her or even outright kill her. He also crossed the DespairEventHorizon so badly that [[DarkestHour he completely lost his will to live]], to the point where [[FromBadToWorse he was ready to release the Kyuubi]]. When Minato stopped him from ripping off the seal at the last second and then they talked, Minato strengthened the seal again, and Naruto reverted to normal, Katsuyu told him what happened when he was still in Kyuubi mode. Naruto immediately thought about Hinata and became worried that he might have killed her (and the other villagers) when he went berserk, and then he cried {{Manly|Tears}} TearsOfJoy when he found out that Hinata was still alive. Later on in Chapter 490, he explicitly states [[http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/490/14 here]] that being ForcedToWatch Pain attack Hinata was what caused him to go berserk--clearly berserk -- clearly showing that he remembered what happened to be the trigger of his UnstoppableRage (Hinata), even though he was in two higher Kyuubi-states. The deaths of Jiraiya, Kakashi, and his frog-sensei, and the destruction of Konoha, had nothing to do with Naruto's UnstoppableRage; Hinata alone was the trigger. Her near-death established herself as Naruto's LivingEmotionalCrutch.
** To further appreciate this comparison, in between the incident with Sakura in this arc and the incident with Hinata in the Invasion of Pain arc, Naruto's seal had gradually been weakening over time. Minato strengthened the seal ''after'' Naruto almost released the Kyuubi, and as stated above, the only reason Naruto nearly released the Kyuubi was because he saw Hinata get hurt. This means that, in a very dark way, had Hinata not tried to help Naruto, Naruto would not have gone berserk, which meant that he would not have been able to meet Minato--keep Minato -- keep in mind that Minato planned for his spirit to visit Naruto ''specifically'' in case the Kyuubi ever gained that much influence over him--nor him -- nor would Naruto have learned some enlightening information about his parents, why he was made a jinchuriki, and what he was meant to do. One would think that because the seal was very weak when Naruto went berserk, 6-tailed and/or 8-tailed Kyuubi-Naruto would have definitely killed Hinata during his skirmish against Pain, which explains why he was so worried about her after Katsuyu told him what happened. In retrospect, the fact that [[PlotArmor Naruto managed to not harm Hinata any further or even come close to killing her]] when he was in his 6-tailed and 8-tailed states and the seal was a lot weaker, unlike how he almost killed Sakura when he was just in his 4-tailed state and the seal was a lot stronger, speaks volumes in the vast differences between his [[LovingAShadow "feelings"]] for [[LikeBrotherAndSister Sakura]] and, as was made clear from the {{canon}} movie ''[[Anime/TheLastNarutoTheMovie The Last]]'' onward, his underlying love for [[OneTrueLove Hinata]].



* From a lot of people in the fandom, they say that Shikamaru killing Hidan created a BrokenAesop in the story; however I feel that not’s quiet true at all. To start with, Asuma never asked Shikamaru, Choji and Ino to get revenge for him, he asked them to “protect the next generation” aka protect Kurenai and her child but that saying could be easily misinterpreted by Shikamaru, Ino and Choji. Secondly in the battle with Hidan, we discovered that even with his head cut of Hidan could still talk and function without a body which means that Hidan could be easily is capture and interrogated and in that case Hidan really isn’t that much of threat in comparison to Kakazu. Thirdly Kakashi was only there so that he can protect them from doing something stupid, Shikamaru was the one that ultimately in charge and he was the one that left Ino, Choji and Kakashi alone with Kakazu (who is arguably more dangerous than his partner) which is kinda reckless in some sense. Fourthly, I also find it weird that Asuma ghost showed up when Shikamaru was about to kill Hidan but it’s possible that this ghost is in Shikamaru head of what Shikamaru “believes” Asuma wanted (much like how Sasuke believes that killing everyone in Konoha is what the Uchiha Clan wanted). Anyway my major point that the Hidan and Kakazu arc is one of the important arc in the series and the reason is that if Shikamaru had captured Hidan(through decapitation) and gain information from him, every tragic event that happens afterwards could been avoided or stop for example
** They could have learned where the Akatsuki bases were located, who are the members and their associates and who is in charge of the organization. They would then learn that the Akatsuki base would be in the hidden rain village and prepare for an invasion force earlier on and thus Jiraya would still be alive and the attack on Konoha would have been avoided.
** They would also gain the knowledge of where Itachi and therefore Sasuke are and instead of running around in the purist of Itachi arc. If they could capture itachi then they would be able to learn the full truth about the Uchiha massacre. They would also lend to Sasuke’s goal to have more (or less depending on how you interpret the character) weight.

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* From a lot of people in the fandom, they say that Shikamaru killing Hidan created a BrokenAesop in the story; however I feel that not’s quiet true at all. To start with, Asuma never asked Shikamaru, Choji and Ino to get revenge for him, he asked them to “protect the next generation” aka protect Kurenai and her child but that saying could be easily misinterpreted by Shikamaru, Ino and Choji. Secondly in the battle with Hidan, we discovered that even with his head cut of Hidan could still talk and function without a body which means that Hidan could be easily is capture and interrogated and in that case Hidan really isn’t that much of threat in comparison to Kakazu. Thirdly Kakashi was only there so that he can protect them from doing something stupid, Shikamaru was the one that ultimately in charge and he was the one that left Ino, Choji Choji, and Kakashi alone with Kakazu (who is arguably more dangerous than his partner) which is kinda reckless in some sense. Fourthly, I also find it weird that Asuma ghost showed up when Shikamaru was about to kill Hidan but it’s possible that this ghost is in Shikamaru head of what Shikamaru “believes” Asuma wanted (much like how Sasuke believes that killing everyone in Konoha is what the Uchiha Clan wanted). Anyway my major point that the Hidan and Kakazu arc is one of the important arc in the series and the reason is that if Shikamaru had captured Hidan(through decapitation) and gain information from him, every tragic event that happens afterwards could been avoided or stop for example
** They could have learned where the Akatsuki bases were located, who are the members and their associates and who is in charge of the organization. They would then learn that the Akatsuki base would be in the hidden rain village and prepare for an invasion force earlier on and thus Jiraya Jiraiya would still be alive and the attack on Konoha would have been avoided.
** They would also gain the knowledge of where Itachi and therefore Sasuke are and instead of running around in the purist of Itachi arc. If they could capture itachi Itachi then they would be able to learn the full truth about the Uchiha massacre. They would also lend to Sasuke’s goal to have more (or less depending on how you interpret the character) weight.



** This would also mean no Fourth Great Shinobi War and no countless deaths of Shinobi including Neji, Shikamaru's dad (Shikamaru didn’t look happy now huh?) and Ino's dad. This also means no resurrection of Madara or Kaguya.

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** This would also mean no Fourth Great Shinobi War and no countless deaths of Shinobi including Neji, Shikamaru's dad (Shikamaru didn’t look happy now huh?) now, huh?), and Ino's dad. This also means no resurrection of Madara or Kaguya.



* The Outer Path - Samsara of Heavenly Life Technique, ie what's used to revive everyone, may seem a Deus Ex Machina. However, several arcs ago, Lady Chiyo used a Reincarnation Jutsu to revive Gaara at the cost of her own life... this technique is a variant of the same Jutsu, except it's able to reach a wider range of people, due to the exceptional chakra reserves of the user (Pain, a man with a god complex who sent the Preta path corpse to absorb chakra while serving as a distraction).

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* The Outer Path - -- Samsara of Heavenly Life Technique, ie what's used to revive everyone, may seem a Deus Ex Machina. However, several arcs ago, Lady Chiyo used a Reincarnation Jutsu to revive Gaara at the cost of her own life... this technique is a variant of the same Jutsu, except it's able to reach a wider range of people, due to the exceptional chakra reserves of the user (Pain, a man with a god complex who sent the Preta path corpse to absorb chakra while serving as a distraction).



** First, there's Sakura's [[NeverLiveItDown infamous]] [[FalseConfession fake love confession]] to Naruto in Chapter 469; he easily sees right through her, [[WhatTheHellHero calls her out for lying]], and [[ShipSinking rejects her outright]] by telling her that he '''hates''' people who lie to themselves. For the next couple of chapters, it was unclear if that was the result of Hinata's sincere AnguishedDeclarationOfLove--keep in mind that Hinata confessed her love to Naruto ''before'' he was finally acknowledged by everyone in Konoha, which makes her LoveConfession that much more genuine--or if he always knew, deep down, that Sakura would never see him as more than a friend. Naruto himself confirms that it was the latter in Chapter 474.

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** First, there's Sakura's [[NeverLiveItDown infamous]] [[FalseConfession fake love confession]] to Naruto in Chapter 469; he easily sees right through her, [[WhatTheHellHero calls her out for lying]], and [[ShipSinking rejects her outright]] by telling her that he '''hates''' people who lie to themselves. For the next couple of chapters, it was unclear if that was the result of Hinata's sincere AnguishedDeclarationOfLove--keep AnguishedDeclarationOfLove -- keep in mind that Hinata confessed her love to Naruto ''before'' he was finally acknowledged by everyone in Konoha, which makes her LoveConfession that much more genuine--or genuine -- or if he always knew, deep down, that Sakura would never see him as more than a friend. Naruto himself confirms that it was the latter in Chapter 474.



* Just prior to the Kyuubi's attack on Konoha, Kakashi notes that he feels "something strange". This is certainly to show that he is far more observant and just generally awesome than most other people...but it quickly becomes FridgeBrilliance when you remember that [[spoiler: Kakashi has Obito's eye, and while he can't see through it--at least not yet--he certainly had to have felt Obito's immense effort controlling the Biju with his remaining eye, especially since they were in such close proximity to one another that night.]]

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* Just prior to the Kyuubi's attack on Konoha, Kakashi notes that he feels "something strange". This is certainly to show that he is far more observant and just generally awesome than most other people...but it quickly becomes FridgeBrilliance when you remember that [[spoiler: Kakashi has Obito's eye, and while he can't see through it--at it -- at least not yet--he yet -- he certainly had to have felt Obito's immense effort controlling the Biju with his remaining eye, especially since they were in such close proximity to one another that night.]]



* After reading the [[DistantFinale epilogue]] and re-reading the manga, Kiba cheerfully ribbing Naruto about [[InsecureLoveInterest "acting tough" in front of Hinata]] in Chapter 611/''Shippuden'' episode 363 actually did not come out of nowhere. Chapters 558 and 559/''Shippuden'' episode 321 were the first to confirm that Naruto ''does'', in fact, put on a tough attitude in Hinata's presence, and, in retrospect, this was one of the first telling signs that Naruto ''was'' developing feelings for Hinata, without realizing it, since the middle of Part II, ''long'' before the events that took place in ''Anime/TheLastNarutoTheMovie''.
** Chapters 558 and 559/''Shippuden'' episode 321:

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* After reading the [[DistantFinale epilogue]] and re-reading the manga, Kiba cheerfully ribbing Naruto about [[InsecureLoveInterest "acting tough" in front of Hinata]] in Chapter 611/''Shippuden'' episode Episode 363 actually did not come out of nowhere. Chapters 558 and 559/''Shippuden'' episode Episode 321 were the first to confirm that Naruto ''does'', in fact, put on a tough attitude in Hinata's presence, and, in retrospect, this was one of the first telling signs that Naruto ''was'' developing feelings for Hinata, without realizing it, since the middle of Part II, ''long'' before the events that took place in ''Anime/TheLastNarutoTheMovie''.
** Chapters 558 and 559/''Shippuden'' episode Episode 321:



*** When Hinata [[HeroicSelfDeprecation believed that she was useless]] because Naruto ended up saving her when she's fighting in the war to protect him, [[TheEmpath Naruto sensed her negative emotions]] and reminded her that she had already saved him twice, and he told her that he couldn't let her keep doing that because "it's not cool." Hinata tried to lie and started to say that she wasn't actually worried, but [[YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre Naruto reassured her of her strength]] based on the look in ''her'' eyes, and [[AmazonChaser he proudly recalled how she defended him from Pain]]. Now remember that Naruto '''hates''' liars (he explicitly stated this when he [[ShipSinking outright rejected]] Sakura's infamous [[FalseConfession fake love confession]] in Chapter 469, which Kiba witnessed). Yet here, Naruto did not call out Hinata for trying to lie about how she felt; he encouraged her, with a smile on his face. Also, notice that Neji, Kiba, and Shino--three of the most important people in Hinata's life--witnessed this entire exchange, and they looked visibly stunned to watch Naruto effortlessly lift up Hinata's spirits.
** Chapter 611/''Shippuden'' episode 363:

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*** When Hinata [[HeroicSelfDeprecation believed that she was useless]] because Naruto ended up saving her when she's fighting in the war to protect him, [[TheEmpath Naruto sensed her negative emotions]] and reminded her that she had already saved him twice, and he told her that he couldn't let her keep doing that because "it's not cool." Hinata tried to lie and started to say that she wasn't actually worried, but [[YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre Naruto reassured her of her strength]] based on the look in ''her'' eyes, and [[AmazonChaser he proudly recalled how she defended him from Pain]]. Now remember that Naruto '''hates''' liars (he explicitly stated this when he [[ShipSinking outright rejected]] Sakura's infamous [[FalseConfession fake love confession]] in Chapter 469, which Kiba witnessed). Yet here, Naruto did not call out Hinata for trying to lie about how she felt; he encouraged her, with a smile on his face. Also, notice that Neji, Kiba, and Shino--three Shino -- three of the most important people in Hinata's life--witnessed life -- witnessed this entire exchange, and they looked visibly stunned to watch Naruto effortlessly lift up Hinata's spirits.
** Chapter 611/''Shippuden'' episode Episode 363:



* I had sometimes wondered why Naruto's always having new Rasengans used during the movies. I mean, yeah it's a versatile technique, but why was it so easy to make it so much stronger. That's when I remembered the Wind Release: Rasengan. The Fourth Hokage had designed the Rasengan in mind to use TWO chakras in making it. He wasn't able to add the second chakra to it before he died. Thus, the reason the Rasengan seems to absorb other outside energies easily is because it's got the room for it! - Drakohahn

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* I had sometimes wondered why Naruto's always having new Rasengans used during the movies. I mean, yeah it's a versatile technique, but why was it so easy to make it so much stronger. That's when I remembered the Wind Release: Rasengan. The Fourth Hokage had designed the Rasengan in mind to use TWO chakras in making it. He wasn't able to add the second chakra to it before he died. Thus, the reason the Rasengan seems to absorb other outside energies easily is because it's got the room for it! - -- Drakohahn



* Bright colors--red, orange, and yellow, all symbolize extreme power. Naruto, Minato, Kushina, Kurama, Sakura, Choji, Nagato/Pain (all of the Akatsuki, in fact), Gaara, and quite a few others are all extremely powerful. When someone has bright colors, extreme power ''will'' be manifested at some point.

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* Bright colors--red, colors -- red, orange, and yellow, all symbolize extreme power. Naruto, Minato, Kushina, Kurama, Sakura, Choji, Nagato/Pain (all of the Akatsuki, in fact), Gaara, and quite a few others are all extremely powerful. When someone has bright colors, extreme power ''will'' be manifested at some point.



*** Subverted by Obito, which may be fridge humor when you think about his goggles - a case of the {{Goggles Do Nothing}}. [[spoiler: Then double subverted as he then became TOBI.]]

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*** Subverted by Obito, which may be fridge humor when you think about his goggles - -- a case of the {{Goggles Do Nothing}}. [[spoiler: Then double subverted as he then became TOBI.]]



** On the the subject of colours, think about what Naruto's parents are called - The Yellow Flash and the Red-Hot Habanero. And what do red and yellow make? Orange.

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** On the the subject of colours, think about what Naruto's parents are called - -- The Yellow Flash and the Red-Hot Habanero. And what do red and yellow make? Orange.



** Because The Hidden Cloud didn't really care about the actual head of the Hyuuga Clan being alive- they wanted a Hyuuga corpse to try to take the Byakugan. They already got their body, and by the time they realized the dojutsu was permanently sealed, they could not call The Hidden Leaf out on this. Plus, considering that the Hyuuga Clan members look so similar (being family and all), it was easy to claim that it was just a new head.

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** Because The Hidden Cloud didn't really care about the actual head of the Hyuuga Clan being alive- alive -- they wanted a Hyuuga corpse to try to take the Byakugan. They already got their body, and by the time they realized the dojutsu was permanently sealed, they could not call The Hidden Leaf out on this. Plus, considering that the Hyuuga Clan members look so similar (being family and all), it was easy to claim that it was just a new head.



** If it helps any, the technical translation of "Konohagakure no Sato" is, actually, "Village Hidden in the ''Tree'' Leaves". As for the village not specialising... well, do recall that the First Hokage was the only one in whom the Wood Release bloodline actually functioned. - Tropers/CaellachTigerEye

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** If it helps any, the technical translation of "Konohagakure no Sato" is, actually, "Village Hidden in the ''Tree'' Leaves". As for the village not specialising... well, do recall that the First Hokage was the only one in whom the Wood Release bloodline actually functioned. - -- Tropers/CaellachTigerEye



* I was initially pissed as hell when Sasuke apparently [[spoiler:throws his newly found-and-bonded-with team Taka to the wolves for the sake of persuing Danzo]], and it seemed a bit too much like his situation with Team 7. But then I did a little research - Sasuke is trapped in his own cycle; he's mirroring the patterns seen in some abused/traumatised children. Long story short, they make friends but then seem to do everything possible to drive them away, and then hate themselves for it, then eventually make new friends and do the same again! I wasn't expecting something like that from Naruto, of all manga - Shiruvi

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* I was initially pissed as hell when Sasuke apparently [[spoiler:throws his newly found-and-bonded-with team Taka to the wolves for the sake of persuing Danzo]], and it seemed a bit too much like his situation with Team 7. But then I did a little research - -- Sasuke is trapped in his own cycle; he's mirroring the patterns seen in some abused/traumatised children. Long story short, they make friends but then seem to do everything possible to drive them away, and then hate themselves for it, then eventually make new friends and do the same again! I wasn't expecting something like that from Naruto, of all manga - -- Shiruvi



** Why would an aspiring ninja wear orange in the first place? Because Naruto isn't concerned with being invisible, but with being ''seen'', or in other words acknowledged by the villagers who shun him. What better way to be noticed than to wear traffic-cone orange? - koolkame

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** Why would an aspiring ninja wear orange in the first place? Because Naruto isn't concerned with being invisible, but with being ''seen'', or in other words acknowledged by the villagers who shun him. What better way to be noticed than to wear traffic-cone orange? - -- koolkame



** Another bit of brilliance regarding Naruto being his parents' son - Minato's techniques all employ melee and previously prepared transportation markings, whereas Naruto's mother, Kushina fully admits that she sucked at ninjutsu (besides the Uzumaki clan sealing techniques) right before she and Minato seal the Kyuubi inside Naruto. In short, neither of Naruto's parents were especially well-versed in ninjutsu, and this coupled with the fact that nobody wanted to personally train Naruto when he was younger kind of gives Naruto a really good reason for sucking at ninjutsu as a kid.

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** Another bit of brilliance regarding Naruto being his parents' son - -- Minato's techniques all employ melee and previously prepared transportation markings, whereas Naruto's mother, Kushina fully admits that she sucked at ninjutsu (besides the Uzumaki clan sealing techniques) right before she and Minato seal the Kyuubi inside Naruto. In short, neither of Naruto's parents were especially well-versed in ninjutsu, and this coupled with the fact that nobody wanted to personally train Naruto when he was younger kind of gives Naruto a really good reason for sucking at ninjutsu as a kid.



* The nine-tailed fox yelling that Naruto has [[ThatMakesMeFeelAngry made him angry]] is actually quite an interesting admission if you consider that for the most part, the Nine-Tailed Fox has pushed Naruto into drawing out more and more of its power when he's highly upset (taunting him while he's losing against Sasuke for being weak and promising to destroy everything that hurts him after Hinata is seemingly killed). Naruto only manages to resist him while he's calm enough to do so, as he comes up with the idea of demanding chakra "rent" when desperate but otherwise with enough presence of mind to think about what he must do. In this case, not only is Naruto calm, but he's actually managing to make the Nine-Tailed fox lose its temper, and realizing this upsets the fox even more and leads to quite the VillainousBreakdown that's a nice step toward Naruto dominating the fox rather than living in fear of it (which is why I hoped he would control the power, rather than just suppress it like Yamato told him to) - @/{{Rampulus}}.
* At the end of Part I, Naruto was carried by Kakashi back to Konoha, after the failed Sasuke Retrieval Mission, and is feeling depressed at not being able to bring back Sasuke, and is still regarded poorly by the rest of the village. The second time Kakashi carries him back to Konoha, he's treated as a hero. - {{@/aurana}}

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* The nine-tailed fox Nine-Tailed Fox yelling that Naruto has [[ThatMakesMeFeelAngry made him angry]] is actually quite an interesting admission if you consider that for the most part, the Nine-Tailed Fox has pushed Naruto into drawing out more and more of its power when he's highly upset (taunting him while he's losing against Sasuke for being weak and promising to destroy everything that hurts him after Hinata is seemingly killed). Naruto only manages to resist him while he's calm enough to do so, as he comes up with the idea of demanding chakra "rent" when desperate but otherwise with enough presence of mind to think about what he must do. In this case, not only is Naruto calm, but he's actually managing to make the Nine-Tailed fox Fox lose its temper, and realizing this upsets the fox even more and leads to quite the VillainousBreakdown that's a nice step toward Naruto dominating the fox rather than living in fear of it (which is why I hoped he would control the power, rather than just suppress it like Yamato told him to) - -- @/{{Rampulus}}.
* At the end of Part I, Naruto was carried by Kakashi back to Konoha, after the failed Sasuke Retrieval Mission, and is feeling depressed at not being able to bring back Sasuke, and is still regarded poorly by the rest of the village. The second time Kakashi carries him back to Konoha, he's treated as a hero. - -- {{@/aurana}}



*** Also, [=NaruSaku=] [[ShipSinking officially ended]] in Chapter 469, when Sakura gave her [[NeverLiveItDown infamous]] [[FalseConfession fake love confession]] to Naruto. Naruto easily saw right through it, [[WhatTheHellHero called her out for lying]] because he knew that she still loved Sasuke and would never love him romantically--which he confirmed to Sai in Chapter 474--and then rejected her outright by telling her that he '''hates''' people who lie to themselves. Not once did he ever show any romantic feelings for her afterwards ([[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment do not refer to any anime filler]]; they don't count because they're not canon). Conversely, [[OfficialCouple NaruHina]] started having [[UnresolvedSexualTension more significant]] ShipTease together beginning in the [[WarArc Fourth Shinobi World War Arc]]. Such moments include the "[[EyesNeverLie I can see it in your eyes]]" comment to each other in Chapter 559, Naruto '''not''' denying nor poking fun at Kiba's statement that he's [[InsecureLoveInterest "acting tough" in front of Hinata]] in Chapter 611, the HoldingHands moment (which is an incredibly romantic gesture in Japan) in Chapter 615, [[MindlinkMates Naruto hearing Hinata mentally call out his name in despair]] when she's caught in the Infinite Tsukuyomi and immediately trying to rush to her aid in Chapter 677, and then Naruto standing by Hinata's side during Neji's funeral in Chapter 699.

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*** Also, [=NaruSaku=] [[ShipSinking officially ended]] in Chapter 469, when Sakura gave her [[NeverLiveItDown infamous]] [[FalseConfession fake love confession]] to Naruto. Naruto easily saw right through it, [[WhatTheHellHero called her out for lying]] because he knew that she still loved Sasuke and would never love him romantically--which romantically -- which he confirmed to Sai in Chapter 474--and 474 -- and then rejected her outright by telling her that he '''hates''' people who lie to themselves. Not once did he ever show any romantic feelings for her afterwards ([[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment do not refer to any anime filler]]; they don't count because they're not canon). Conversely, [[OfficialCouple NaruHina]] started having [[UnresolvedSexualTension more significant]] ShipTease together beginning in the [[WarArc Fourth Shinobi World War Arc]]. Such moments include the "[[EyesNeverLie I can see it in your eyes]]" comment to each other in Chapter 559, Naruto '''not''' denying nor poking fun at Kiba's statement that he's [[InsecureLoveInterest "acting tough" in front of Hinata]] in Chapter 611, the HoldingHands moment (which is an incredibly romantic gesture in Japan) in Chapter 615, [[MindlinkMates Naruto hearing Hinata mentally call out his name in despair]] when she's caught in the Infinite Tsukuyomi and immediately trying to rush to her aid in Chapter 677, and then Naruto standing by Hinata's side during Neji's funeral in Chapter 699.



** [[spoiler: Naruto is using clones in his Nine-Tailed Chakra Mode when the Ox warned him not to. Well beforehand...he DID pin the Fox to the ground with his Torii to prevent him from swallowing anymore of his chakra. So he won't have anymore drawbacks for a while.]]
** [[spoiler: Actually the 8-Tails later reveals that the reason Naruto survived making all those clones is because the 9-Tails was going easy on him.]]
* The 3rd mentioned place where you can learn Sage Mode, Shikkotsurin is likely the home of the Slug Sage. Now, besides Katsuyu, which other slug is well-known in the series? you guessed it, [[spoiler: Saiken]] the Rokubi. During the [[{{Filler}} Tsuchigumo Kinjutsu arc]], what kind of jutsu did the villain use to try destroy a chunk of a large country? that's right, a Nature Chakra-powered jutsu. Who stopped it? Rokubi. By seemingly absorbing it. Coincidence? maybe, maybe not.
* In Part I (and repeated during the HowWeGotHere ClipShow in ''Shippuden'' episode 260), Neji says that Naruto's eyes are better than his. In Part I, this is metaphorical, but by the WarArc, it has become literally true. Naruto's sensory powers and skills exceed that of an elite Hyuuga. The Hyuuga can see their enemies' chakra in every direction, save for a blind spot and a distance limit. Naruto's Kyuubi Sage Mode allows him to sense his friends and enemies with no blind spots and an unlimited range. The Gentle Fist style allows Hyuuga to defeat their enemies using only their fingertips, but Naruto's Kawazu Kumite can cripple an enemy WITHOUT MAKING CONTACT AT ALL.

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** [[spoiler: Naruto is using clones in his Nine-Tailed Chakra Mode when the Ox warned him not to. Well beforehand... he DID pin the Fox to the ground with his Torii to prevent him from swallowing anymore of his chakra. So So, he won't have anymore drawbacks for a while.]]
** [[spoiler: Actually Actually, the 8-Tails Eight-Tails later reveals that the reason Naruto survived making all those clones is because the 9-Tails Nine-Tails was going easy on him.]]
* The 3rd third mentioned place where you can learn Sage Mode, Shikkotsurin is likely the home of the Slug Sage. Now, besides Katsuyu, which other slug is well-known in the series? you guessed it, [[spoiler: Saiken]] the Rokubi. During the [[{{Filler}} Tsuchigumo Kinjutsu arc]], what kind of jutsu did the villain use to try destroy a chunk of a large country? that's right, a Nature Chakra-powered jutsu. Who stopped it? Rokubi. By seemingly absorbing it. Coincidence? maybe, maybe not.
* In Part I (and repeated during the HowWeGotHere ClipShow in ''Shippuden'' episode Episode 260), Neji says that Naruto's eyes are better than his. In Part I, this is metaphorical, but by the WarArc, it has become literally true. Naruto's sensory powers and skills exceed that of an elite Hyuuga. The Hyuuga can see their enemies' chakra in every direction, save for a blind spot and a distance limit. Naruto's Kyuubi Sage Mode allows him to sense his friends and enemies with no blind spots and an unlimited range. The Gentle Fist style allows Hyuuga to defeat their enemies using only their fingertips, but Naruto's Kawazu Kumite can cripple an enemy WITHOUT MAKING CONTACT AT ALL.



*** Hinata is also similar to Kushina, obviously not in personality--she actually matches Minato [[NiceGuy in personality]]--but because of the many life events that they both went through and from their mutual hobbies, which is how the GenerationXerox sets in:

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*** Hinata is also similar to Kushina, obviously not in personality--she personality -- she actually matches Minato [[NiceGuy in personality]]--but personality]] -- but because of the many life events that they both went through and from their mutual hobbies, which is how the GenerationXerox sets in:



### Both are {{not afraid to die}} to protect Naruto because of their love for him, and they were attacked when they stood right in front of him. Kushina threw herself in front of the Nine-Tails so that its giant claw impaled her instead of Naruto, and then she grabbed the claw to physically stop it from reaching Naruto, before she finally died from completely bleeding out. Hinata almost died ''twice'' while trying to save Naruto--first when she threw herself in front of Naruto and stood up against Pain; second when she threw herself in front of Naruto to protect him from Obito's wooden stake, only for [[HeroicSacrifice Neji to take the hit for her instead]].

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### Both are {{not afraid to die}} to protect Naruto because of their love for him, and they were attacked when they stood right in front of him. Kushina threw herself in front of the Nine-Tails so that its giant claw impaled her instead of Naruto, and then she grabbed the claw to physically stop it from reaching Naruto, before she finally died from completely bleeding out. Hinata almost died ''twice'' while trying to save Naruto--first Naruto -- first when she threw herself in front of Naruto and stood up against Pain; second when she threw herself in front of Naruto to protect him from Obito's wooden stake, only for [[HeroicSacrifice Neji to take the hit for her instead]].



*** [[WordOfGod Kishimoto has repeatedly stated]] that all of the [=NaruSaku=] moments were [[RedHerring deliberately written in]] to [[TrollingCreator mess with the shippers]], and that Sakura was ''never'' going to be Naruto's true love interest. Also, [[JerkassHasAPoint Sai points out to Sakura]], [[BrutalHonesty in a brutally honest manner]], that her begging Naruto to bring back Sasuke for her and Naruto's feelings for both her and Sasuke [[https://78.media.tumblr.com/b4e9b17f137fb89ae8c68f9bedbb8120/tumblr_inline_p500y7d5Qw1vololo_540.png cause him a lot of pain]], and then even Sakura admits that [[https://78.media.tumblr.com/3049f63d0df52d457313f92a34378f3e/tumblr_inline_p3jvm4t7zx1vololo_540.png she causes Naruto the most pain]]--making it patently clear that Sakura does '''not''' make Naruto happy. Lastly, [=NaruSaku=] [[ShipSinking officially ended]] in Chapter 469. Naruto outright rejects Sakura's infamous [[FalseConfession fake love confession]] by telling her that he '''hates''' people who lie to themselves, [[WhatTheHellHero calls her out on her dishonesty]] because he ''knows'' [[SingleTargetSexuality she still loves Sasuke]], which he confirms to Sai in Chapter 474, and then [[https://78.media.tumblr.com/27b99316f2f0e199143d93b0123d55c9/tumblr_inline_p3judwFxzL1vololo_540.png he breaks his promise to her]] in Chapter 470 because he wants to rescue Sasuke ''not'' for her anymore, but for [[TrueCompanions his own reasons]] now. As it turns out, [[{{Irony}} Naruto himself has been dishonest about his own feelings for Sakura]], because he never actually cared for her as anything more than [[LikeBrotherAndSister a close friend or older sister]].

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*** [[WordOfGod Kishimoto has repeatedly stated]] that all of the [=NaruSaku=] moments were [[RedHerring deliberately written in]] to [[TrollingCreator mess with the shippers]], and that Sakura was ''never'' going to be Naruto's true love interest. Also, [[JerkassHasAPoint Sai points out to Sakura]], [[BrutalHonesty in a brutally honest manner]], that her begging Naruto to bring back Sasuke for her and Naruto's feelings for both her and Sasuke [[https://78.media.tumblr.com/b4e9b17f137fb89ae8c68f9bedbb8120/tumblr_inline_p500y7d5Qw1vololo_540.png cause him a lot of pain]], and then even Sakura admits that [[https://78.media.tumblr.com/3049f63d0df52d457313f92a34378f3e/tumblr_inline_p3jvm4t7zx1vololo_540.png she causes Naruto the most pain]]--making pain]] -- making it patently clear that Sakura does '''not''' make Naruto happy. Lastly, [=NaruSaku=] [[ShipSinking officially ended]] in Chapter 469. Naruto outright rejects Sakura's infamous [[FalseConfession fake love confession]] by telling her that he '''hates''' people who lie to themselves, [[WhatTheHellHero calls her out on her dishonesty]] because he ''knows'' [[SingleTargetSexuality she still loves Sasuke]], which he confirms to Sai in Chapter 474, and then [[https://78.media.tumblr.com/27b99316f2f0e199143d93b0123d55c9/tumblr_inline_p3judwFxzL1vololo_540.png he breaks his promise to her]] in Chapter 470 because he wants to rescue Sasuke ''not'' for her anymore, but for [[TrueCompanions his own reasons]] now. As it turns out, [[{{Irony}} Naruto himself has been dishonest about his own feelings for Sakura]], because he never actually cared for her as anything more than [[LikeBrotherAndSister a close friend or older sister]].



*** Wow, this theory has a lot of chains in it. Following this logic, Hiruzen would be an analogue for Emperor Hirohito- a ReasonableAuthorityFigure who waited too long to address a problem and wound up losing control of the situation because he trusted his advisors or was simply naive. Hashirama becomes an analogue for the Meiji, while Madara represents those who clung to the old ways of the shogunate. Then, if you think of Jinchuriki as being an [[FantasticNuke analogue for nuclear weapons,]] you can think of the pragmatism of acknowledging that your enemy has two functioning nuclear weapons while your nuclear program is years away from developing a working bomb [[note]]Yes, Japan really did have a nuclear weapons program in WWII, but it was several years behind the Manhattan Project and certainly would never have resulted in a nuclear bomb in time to affect the outcome of the war[[/note]].

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*** Wow, this theory has a lot of chains in it. Following this logic, Hiruzen would be an analogue for Emperor Hirohito- Hirohito -- a ReasonableAuthorityFigure who waited too long to address a problem and wound up losing control of the situation because he trusted his advisors or was simply naive. Hashirama becomes an analogue for the Meiji, while Madara represents those who clung to the old ways of the shogunate. Then, if you think of Jinchuriki as being an [[FantasticNuke analogue for nuclear weapons,]] you can think of the pragmatism of acknowledging that your enemy has two functioning nuclear weapons while your nuclear program is years away from developing a working bomb [[note]]Yes, Japan really did have a nuclear weapons program in WWII, but it was several years behind the Manhattan Project and certainly would never have resulted in a nuclear bomb in time to affect the outcome of the war[[/note]].



* Given how much Madara has been built up as the ultimate ninja that 5 kage can't beat and how massively overpowered the Sharingan is, it bothered me for a long time that Hashirama was somehow at least equal to Madara. Until I realized that Hashirama could spam attacks with his Mokuton. It's already been stated that the Sharingan predicts how someone will move by tracking their muscles (though somehow it works on people wearing baggy jumpsuits), well wood doesn't have muscles. So like Naruto's chakra arms, the Sharingan could see where the branches are at any given moment but not where they are going to be.

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* Given how much Madara has been built up as the ultimate ninja that 5 kage can't beat and how massively overpowered the Sharingan is, it bothered me for a long time that Hashirama was somehow at least equal to Madara. Until I realized that Hashirama could spam attacks with his Mokuton. It's already been stated that the Sharingan predicts how someone will move by tracking their muscles (though somehow it works on people wearing baggy jumpsuits), well wood doesn't have muscles. So So, like Naruto's chakra arms, the Sharingan could see where the branches are at any given moment but not where they are going to be.



* For those of you who believe that Kishimoto ''was'' intending on Hinata being Naruto's main love interest from the beginning--[[WordOfGod which he has confirmed in several post-series interviews]]--there is one interesting point that ''does'' support this. At the start of the series, Naruto was loud, brash, obnoxious, full of himself, not nearly as good as he thought he was and honestly rather dumb--a perfect example of an IdiotHero. As a result, almost no one in Konoha thought anything of him or his abilities, Kyuubi aside. But he was still the protagonist of the series so we the readers got to see his good points--his courage, determination, loyalty, perseverance, stubbornness and refusal to quit in the face of adversity. ''These are the very same traits that Hinata has always admired him for.'' In a sense, [[WiseBeyondTheirYears Hinata]] was the ''only'' character in the entire series perceptive enough to [[WartsAndAll accept Naruto's flaws]] [[FanOfUnderdog and appreciate]] [[NoHeroToHisValet his good points]], ''the same way the reader is meant to''. This is why she's the ''only'' character in the Konoha 11 who accepts and acknowledges him from the beginning.

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* For those of you who believe that Kishimoto ''was'' intending on Hinata being Naruto's main love interest from the beginning--[[WordOfGod beginning -- [[WordOfGod which he has confirmed in several post-series interviews]]--there interviews]] -- there is one interesting point that ''does'' support this. At the start of the series, Naruto was loud, brash, obnoxious, full of himself, not nearly as good as he thought he was was, and honestly rather dumb--a dumb -- a perfect example of an IdiotHero. As a result, almost no one in Konoha thought anything of him or his abilities, Kyuubi aside. But he was still the protagonist of the series so we the readers got to see his good points--his points -- his courage, determination, loyalty, perseverance, stubbornness stubbornness, and refusal to quit in the face of adversity. ''These are the very same traits that Hinata has always admired him for.'' In a sense, [[WiseBeyondTheirYears Hinata]] was the ''only'' character in the entire series perceptive enough to [[WartsAndAll accept Naruto's flaws]] [[FanOfUnderdog and appreciate]] [[NoHeroToHisValet his good points]], ''the same way the reader is meant to''. This is why she's the ''only'' character in the Konoha 11 who accepts and acknowledges him from the beginning.



** Then how do you explain Tobi manipulating Yagura who possessed the Three Tails?

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** Then how do you explain Tobi manipulating Yagura who possessed the Three Tails? Three-Tails?



* During the Infinite Tsukiyomi Arc, Karin gets impaled by Zetsu. Suigetsu defends her with "Double Barrels" - using his fingers as water pistols, he blasts Zetsu's head off. When he first met Sasuke, he held a finger-gun to his head!

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* During the Infinite Tsukiyomi Arc, Karin gets impaled by Zetsu. Suigetsu defends her with "Double Barrels" - -- using his fingers as water pistols, he blasts Zetsu's head off. When he first met Sasuke, he held a finger-gun to his head!



** There's one big problem though. Yagura was still 4th Mizukage by the time Obito became Tobi (he was mind-controlling the 4th mizukage, remember?) So the Sanbi must have been sealed elsewhere before being sealed into Rin andthen it regenerated before being sealed into Yagura.

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** There's one big problem though. Yagura was still 4th Fourth Mizukage by the time Obito became Tobi (he was mind-controlling the 4th mizukage, Fourth Mizukage, remember?) So the Sanbi must have been sealed elsewhere before being sealed into Rin andthen it regenerated before being sealed into Yagura.



** All of the kids in Konoha--including [[{{Jerkass}} Sasuke]] and [[{{Tsundere}} Sakura]]--treat Naruto as a nuisance at best, a part of the scenery at worst. Not [[NiceGirl Hinata]]: she's always polite and friendly to him. In turn, Naruto [[BecauseYouWereNiceToMe wholeheartedly reciprocates the friendship]], openly cheering for her during [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown her "fight" against Neji]] in the Chunin Exams preliminaries, [[BloodOath vowing on her blood]] to defeat Neji in the finals, and even confiding in her that [[BeneathTheMask he's not sure he's not the failure everyone thinks he is]]. Note that this is the ''only'' time he ever willingly lets his guard down and expresses his self-doubt to anyone[[note]]See LivingEmotionalCrutch in their character pages, and TheConfidant in Hinata's character page[[/note]].

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** All of the kids in Konoha--including Konoha -- including [[{{Jerkass}} Sasuke]] and [[{{Tsundere}} Sakura]]--treat Sakura]] -- treat Naruto as a nuisance at best, a part of the scenery at worst. Not [[NiceGirl Hinata]]: she's always polite and friendly to him. In turn, Naruto [[BecauseYouWereNiceToMe wholeheartedly reciprocates the friendship]], openly cheering for her during [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown her "fight" against Neji]] in the Chunin Exams preliminaries, [[BloodOath vowing on her blood]] to defeat Neji in the finals, and even confiding in her that [[BeneathTheMask he's not sure he's not the failure everyone thinks he is]]. Note that this is the ''only'' time he ever willingly lets his guard down and expresses his self-doubt to anyone[[note]]See LivingEmotionalCrutch in their character pages, and TheConfidant in Hinata's character page[[/note]].



** Lastly, two of the central themes of the series revolve around how: 1) [[GenerationXerox each generation mirrors the previous one]] to some degree, and 2) each of the {{Official Couple}}s--past and future--embody OppositesAttract. Take a look at Naruto's parents. Kushina was a [[HotBlooded hyperactive loudmouth]] who somehow managed to find herself in trouble quite frequently (poor bullies), and she had a bad first impression of her husband before something happened that permanently changed their relationship for the better[[note]]Kushina initially thought of Minato as a "flaky girl-boy," but then she fell in love with him when [[RescueRomance he rescued her from the Kumo ninjas that kidnapped her]], and then he boldly complimented [[HeroesWantRedheads her red hair]], which [[KidsAreCruel other children used as a reason to bully her]]. Naruto initially thought of Hinata as a "plain-looking, shy and dark weirdo girl," but then he began to see her in a much better light when he found out that [[BirdsOfAFeather she adopted his nindō and wished to be acknowledged and accepted by her family, who deemed her a failure]] because they mistook [[LightIsGood her kind, gentle personality]] for weakness[[/note]]. Minato was a [[NiceGuy quiet, thoughtful person]] [[SingleTargetSexuality who loved Kushina since they were children]], and often tried to deal with his wife's outbursts. Sound familiar?

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** Lastly, two of the central themes of the series revolve around how: 1) [[GenerationXerox each generation mirrors the previous one]] to some degree, and 2) each of the {{Official Couple}}s--past Couple}}s -- past and future--embody future -- embody OppositesAttract. Take a look at Naruto's parents. Kushina was a [[HotBlooded hyperactive loudmouth]] who somehow managed to find herself in trouble quite frequently (poor bullies), and she had a bad first impression of her husband before something happened that permanently changed their relationship for the better[[note]]Kushina initially thought of Minato as a "flaky girl-boy," but then she fell in love with him when [[RescueRomance he rescued her from the Kumo ninjas that kidnapped her]], and then he boldly complimented [[HeroesWantRedheads her red hair]], which [[KidsAreCruel other children used as a reason to bully her]]. Naruto initially thought of Hinata as a "plain-looking, shy and dark weirdo girl," but then he began to see her in a much better light when he found out that [[BirdsOfAFeather she adopted his nindō and wished to be acknowledged and accepted by her family, who deemed her a failure]] because they mistook [[LightIsGood her kind, gentle personality]] for weakness[[/note]]. Minato was a [[NiceGuy quiet, thoughtful person]] [[SingleTargetSexuality who loved Kushina since they were children]], and often tried to deal with his wife's outbursts. Sound familiar?



** Due to his Uzumaki lineage, Naruto possesses a powerful life-force and physical energy, giving him an extreme longevity, stamina, and vitality. From this, he could survive the extraction of a tailed beast (albeit he was rendered unconscious and in a critical state). Naruto is also known for his greatly accelerated healing. Naruto has always demonstrated large chakra reserves, creating hundreds of multiple shadow clones at the age of 12, something not even common for high jounin level ninja. His lineage is part of the reason why he could synchronise with Kurama's chakra, this answers Yamato's thought as to why Naruto could enter the 4-tailed chakra cloak and not die instantly. Being a [[spoiler:reincarnation of Asura]] further reinforces his chakra prowess and physical energy.

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** Due to his Uzumaki lineage, Naruto possesses a powerful life-force and physical energy, giving him an extreme longevity, stamina, and vitality. From this, he could survive the extraction of a tailed beast (albeit he was rendered unconscious and in a critical state). Naruto is also known for his greatly accelerated healing. Naruto has always demonstrated large chakra reserves, creating hundreds of multiple shadow clones at the age of 12, something not even common for high jounin level ninja. His lineage is part of the reason why he could synchronise with Kurama's chakra, this answers Yamato's thought as to why Naruto could enter the 4-tailed chakra cloak Four-Tailed Chakra Cloak and not die instantly. Being a [[spoiler:reincarnation of Asura]] further reinforces his chakra prowess and physical energy.



* Hinata's name means "sunny place" or "towards the sun". Why is that [[MeaningfulName meaningful]]? [[LivingEmotionalCrutch Hinata was always the one]] [[BroodingBoyGentleGirl who comforted Naruto]] during some of the darkest moments of the series. Even though [[OppositesAttract she is the yin to his yang]][[note]]"Yin" translates to "dark" or "shady side", while "Yang" translates to "light" or "sunny side"[[/note]], she is his "sun", the light that gave him strength and [[HopeBringer brought him hope]] whenever it seemed like he was going to [[HeroicBSOD drown in despair]]. That's partly why Naruto fell in love with her--she alone is enough to help take away all the pain he goes through.

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* Hinata's name means "sunny place" or "towards the sun". Why is that [[MeaningfulName meaningful]]? [[LivingEmotionalCrutch Hinata was always the one]] [[BroodingBoyGentleGirl who comforted Naruto]] during some of the darkest moments of the series. Even though [[OppositesAttract she is the yin to his yang]][[note]]"Yin" translates to "dark" or "shady side", while "Yang" translates to "light" or "sunny side"[[/note]], she is his "sun", the light that gave him strength and [[HopeBringer brought him hope]] whenever it seemed like he was going to [[HeroicBSOD drown in despair]]. That's partly why Naruto fell in love with her--she her -- she alone is enough to help take away all the pain he goes through.



** Naruto admits that he "never knew Hinata was this incredible" when he finds out that she adopted his nindō and he sees that [[{{Determinator}} she refuses to give up]] in [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown her "fight" with Neji]] in Chapter 80, he reassures her that she is strong when she doubts herself and has a proud smile when he recalls how she defended him from Pain in Chapter 559, he sports another proud smile when he sees that [[YouShallNotPass she's leading his defense]] in Chapter 629, and he comments on her strength twice in ''[[Anime/TheLastNarutoTheMovie The Last]]''--first was when he's confused over [[ShipperOnDeck Sakura's]] request to have him walk Hinata home, with his reasoning being that [[ComicallyMissingThePoint he feels no one in the village would dare mess with Hinata]] because she's "really strong"; second was in TheStinger, [[spoiler:where he playfully warns Boruto and Himawari during their snowball fight that their mother is "super strong" when she gets serious]].

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** Naruto admits that he "never knew Hinata was this incredible" when he finds out that she adopted his nindō and he sees that [[{{Determinator}} she refuses to give up]] in [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown her "fight" with Neji]] in Chapter 80, he reassures her that she is strong when she doubts herself and has a proud smile when he recalls how she defended him from Pain in Chapter 559, he sports another proud smile when he sees that [[YouShallNotPass she's leading his defense]] in Chapter 629, and he comments on her strength twice in ''[[Anime/TheLastNarutoTheMovie The Last]]''--first Last]]'' -- first was when he's confused over [[ShipperOnDeck Sakura's]] request to have him walk Hinata home, with his reasoning being that [[ComicallyMissingThePoint he feels no one in the village would dare mess with Hinata]] because she's "really strong"; second was in TheStinger, [[spoiler:where he playfully warns Boruto and Himawari during their snowball fight that their mother is "super strong" when she gets serious]].



** Cue FridgeBrilliance. Naruto's quest for peace will involve ending this cycle by teaching the villages and nations that hate and war doesn't work. For that reason, not only will [[BigBadDuumvirate Kabuchimaru and Madara]] both lose out in the end as {{Big Bad}}s typically do, but, here's the part that isn't already guaranteed canon - Naruto '''''will inevitably save Sasuke''''' and prove the second son of the sage right as part of the GrandFinale of the Fourth Shinobi World War. The WhereAreTheyNowEpilogue will for this reason see a much more stable relationship between the nations, and ninja traditions will keep strong initially but end up phasing out over time as a period of harmony envelops the world.

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** Cue FridgeBrilliance. Naruto's quest for peace will involve ending this cycle by teaching the villages and nations that hate and war doesn't work. For that reason, not only will [[BigBadDuumvirate Kabuchimaru and Madara]] both lose out in the end as {{Big Bad}}s typically do, but, here's the part that isn't already guaranteed canon - -- Naruto '''''will inevitably save Sasuke''''' and prove the second son of the sage right as part of the GrandFinale of the Fourth Shinobi World War. The WhereAreTheyNowEpilogue will for this reason see a much more stable relationship between the nations, and ninja traditions will keep strong initially but end up phasing out over time as a period of harmony envelops the world.



* Akatsuki wants to [[GottaCatchEmAll get]] the [[EnergyBeings Tailed Beasts]], [[SealedInsideAPersonShapedCan most of which are sealed in human hosts]]. They need to be sealed in order (or at least have the 9-tails sealed last), but they may still end up capturing a host/beast long before they're supposed to be sealed. When Kisame and Itachi nearly captured Naruto, Kisame mentions cutting off Naruto's limbs so he can't get away and they hadn't sealed any of the beasts by then, which implies that if Jiraiya hadn't saved him, Naruto would have spent ''years'' suffering in holding before being killed ([[spoiler:and this ''may have happened'' to some of the other hosts]]).
** Objection: when the Akatsuki of to seal Gaara (One Tail) there are already two beasts sealed away. But it's not until after Shukaku is sealed that we see 2, 3, and 4 tails captured, so at the minimum Akatsuki would have already sealed 5 and 6 Tails before anything else.
** Objection: The six tails was the last to be captured- as Utakata was captured by Pain/Nagato right before the invasion. The 7 tails was the one sealed along with the 5 tails.

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* Akatsuki wants to [[GottaCatchEmAll get]] the [[EnergyBeings Tailed Beasts]], [[SealedInsideAPersonShapedCan most of which are sealed in human hosts]]. They need to be sealed in order (or at least have the 9-tails Nine-Tails sealed last), but they may still end up capturing a host/beast long before they're supposed to be sealed. When Kisame and Itachi nearly captured Naruto, Kisame mentions cutting off Naruto's limbs so he can't get away and they hadn't sealed any of the beasts by then, which implies that if Jiraiya hadn't saved him, Naruto would have spent ''years'' suffering in holding before being killed ([[spoiler:and this ''may have happened'' to some of the other hosts]]).
** Objection: when the Akatsuki of to seal Gaara (One Tail) (One-Tail) there are already two beasts sealed away. But it's not until after Shukaku is sealed that we see 2, 3, Two-, Three-, and 4 tails Four-Tails captured, so at the minimum Akatsuki would have already sealed 5 Five- and 6 Tails Six-Tails before anything else.
** Objection: The six tails Six-Tails was the last to be captured- captured -- as Utakata was captured by Pain/Nagato right before the invasion. The 7 tails Seven-Tails was the one sealed along with the 5 tails.Five-Tails.



* With the power of Edo Tensei, there is a high chance that Kabuto could revive Fugaku and Mikoto Uchiha and pit them against Sasuke in hopes of breaking him, as in "I can't hurt my loved ones." Worse, he could ''torture'' either one of them and destroy Sasuke's resolve- especially if he attacked his mother. However... if the jutsu fails to bring them back... [[FridgeBrilliance guess who's still alive?]] Which means Itachi spared his family and cast a genjutsu to fool Sasuke so long ago. But is this idea just an idea that's been overlooked? Time will tell...

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* With the power of Edo Tensei, there is a high chance that Kabuto could revive Fugaku and Mikoto Uchiha and pit them against Sasuke in hopes of breaking him, as in "I can't hurt my loved ones." Worse, he could ''torture'' either one of them and destroy Sasuke's resolve- resolve -- especially if he attacked his mother. However... if the jutsu fails to bring them back... [[FridgeBrilliance guess who's still alive?]] Which means Itachi spared his family and cast a genjutsu to fool Sasuke so long ago. But is this idea just an idea that's been overlooked? Time will tell...



*** Re-read the Five Kage Summit arc again. This happened in Chapters 484 and 485. By that point, Chapter 469 already happened. To elaborate, Sakura already pulled off her [[NeverLiveItDown infamous]] [[FalseConfession fake love confession]] to Naruto, who immediately saw right through it, [[WhatTheHellHero called her out for lying to him and to herself]], and then [[ShipSinking rejected her outright]] by telling her that he '''hates''' people who lie to themselves. He also stated that his promise to her, to bring back Sasuke for her, was no longer the reason why he wanted to save Sasuke; [[TrueCompanions he has his own reasons for doing so now]]. Naruto stopped having a crush on her after that chapter. Plus, take a good look at his reaction when he berates Sasuke for almost killing Sakura: [[http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/485/3 he's very calm]]. That is a '''''vastly''''' different reaction in comparison to [[UnstoppableRage how berserk Naruto went]] when he thought Pain killed Hinata, or even [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge how enraged he was]] when Neji nearly killed Hinata in the Chunin Exams preliminaries in Part I, [[http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/81/2 as shown here onward]]--keep in mind that Naruto and Hinata weren't close at the time of her fight with Neji; they developed their friendship afterwards, just before Naruto's fight with Neji (specifically, Chapter 98). Yes, Naruto did have a one-sided crush on Sakura, just like Obito did for Rin, but as stated above, Rin was also Obito's LivingEmotionalCrutch, and Hinata is Naruto's LivingEmotionalCrutch, not Sakura. Yes, Naruto would have been upset if Sakura was killed, because [[LikeBrotherAndSister they're teammates]], no question about it. However, he would not have gone down the path of darkness if it happened, partly because of the events of Chapter 469, partly because Naruto does not rely on Sakura for his emotional stability, and partly because, let's be honest, [[HoYay Sasuke has always been higher up on Naruto's priority list]] than Sakura ever was, [[FoeYay and vice versa]]. Naruto almost ''did'' go down that path after he was ForcedToWatch Pain stab Hinata, by [[SuperpoweredEvilSide going straight to six-tails and then eight-tails]] and then [[DespairEventHorizon nearly releasing the Kyuubi]] until Minato stopped him, because he relies on Hinata for his emotional stability. He even reacted rather strongly when Neji [[HeroicSacrifice died to protect him and Hinata]] in Chapter 614, to the point where he had a HeroicBSOD and even hesitated after Obito's BreakingLecture, until Hinata [[GetAHoldOfYourselfMan snapped him out of it]]. Both times, when he thought Hinata was killed and then when Neji died, Naruto crossed the DespairEventHorizon. Not once did Naruto ever come close to losing it whenever Sakura got hurt. Hell, even after 4-tailed Kyuubi-Naruto ''smacked Sakura hard enough that he almost killed her'' in Chapter 296, he ''barely reacted'' when Yamato told him what happened three chapters later. Even when Naruto still had a one-sided crush on Sakura and even though they will always be teammates, he ''never'' suffered a HeroicBSOD or crossed the DespairEventHorizon whenever she got hurt, unlike Obito, who ''did'' cross it when Rin was killed. So it was not the exact same scenario, and it would not have had the exact same outcome. Therefore, it was not a complete parallel. Close, yes, but not 100%.

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*** Re-read the Five Kage Summit arc again. This happened in Chapters 484 and 485. By that point, Chapter 469 already happened. To elaborate, Sakura already pulled off her [[NeverLiveItDown infamous]] [[FalseConfession fake love confession]] to Naruto, who immediately saw right through it, [[WhatTheHellHero called her out for lying to him and to herself]], and then [[ShipSinking rejected her outright]] by telling her that he '''hates''' people who lie to themselves. He also stated that his promise to her, to bring back Sasuke for her, was no longer the reason why he wanted to save Sasuke; [[TrueCompanions he has his own reasons for doing so now]]. Naruto stopped having a crush on her after that chapter. Plus, take a good look at his reaction when he berates Sasuke for almost killing Sakura: [[http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/485/3 he's very calm]]. That is a '''''vastly''''' different reaction in comparison to [[UnstoppableRage how berserk Naruto went]] when he thought Pain killed Hinata, or even [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge how enraged he was]] when Neji nearly killed Hinata in the Chunin Exams preliminaries in Part I, [[http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/81/2 as shown here onward]]--keep onward]] -- keep in mind that Naruto and Hinata weren't close at the time of her fight with Neji; they developed their friendship afterwards, just before Naruto's fight with Neji (specifically, Chapter 98). Yes, Naruto did have a one-sided crush on Sakura, just like Obito did for Rin, but as stated above, Rin was also Obito's LivingEmotionalCrutch, and Hinata is Naruto's LivingEmotionalCrutch, not Sakura. Yes, Naruto would have been upset if Sakura was killed, because [[LikeBrotherAndSister they're teammates]], no question about it. However, he would not have gone down the path of darkness if it happened, partly because of the events of Chapter 469, partly because Naruto does not rely on Sakura for his emotional stability, and partly because, let's be honest, [[HoYay Sasuke has always been higher up on Naruto's priority list]] than Sakura ever was, [[FoeYay and vice versa]]. Naruto almost ''did'' go down that path after he was ForcedToWatch Pain stab Hinata, by [[SuperpoweredEvilSide going straight to six-tails Six-Tails and then eight-tails]] Eight-Tails]] and then [[DespairEventHorizon nearly releasing the Kyuubi]] until Minato stopped him, because he relies on Hinata for his emotional stability. He even reacted rather strongly when Neji [[HeroicSacrifice died to protect him and Hinata]] in Chapter 614, to the point where he had a HeroicBSOD and even hesitated after Obito's BreakingLecture, until Hinata [[GetAHoldOfYourselfMan snapped him out of it]]. Both times, when he thought Hinata was killed and then when Neji died, Naruto crossed the DespairEventHorizon. Not once did Naruto ever come close to losing it whenever Sakura got hurt. Hell, even after 4-tailed Four-Tailed Kyuubi-Naruto ''smacked Sakura hard enough that he almost killed her'' in Chapter 296, he ''barely reacted'' when Yamato told him what happened three chapters later. Even when Naruto still had a one-sided crush on Sakura and even though they will always be teammates, he ''never'' suffered a HeroicBSOD or crossed the DespairEventHorizon whenever she got hurt, unlike Obito, who ''did'' cross it when Rin was killed. So it was not the exact same scenario, and it would not have had the exact same outcome. Therefore, it was not a complete parallel. Close, yes, but not 100%.



** He only displayed that when he regained conscious control over his own body. The [semi]mindless Obito plowed through Tobirama and a wood clone with the same weapons- and Sasuke's Susanoo wasn't quite destroyed by it either. So Hizruzen has a better chance of regenerating as the ninjutsu nullifying was only in that second [conscious] state so far, albeit taking that much longer.

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** He only displayed that when he regained conscious control over his own body. The [semi]mindless Obito plowed through Tobirama and a wood clone with the same weapons- weapons -- and Sasuke's Susanoo wasn't quite destroyed by it either. So Hizruzen has a better chance of regenerating as the ninjutsu nullifying was only in that second [conscious] state so far, albeit taking that much longer.



* There is a moment of in-universe fridge horror where the horror is realized by a character in the show. These are hardly ever talked about. When Sasuke defected, he had to perform missions for Orochimaru. One such mission was he had to help Karin stop a prison riot. He ended up saving her and he called her "niisan". That is when she fell in love with him. Much later, Sasuke recruited her much to her happiness, but, if the above theory is incorrect, then he really didn't mind killing her if it meant killing Danzo. When she survived, Sakura showed up and promised to join him, so Sasuke asked Sakura to kill Karin to prove her loyalty. This could be explained by Sasuke's possible motive to call Sakura's bluff, but just before Sakura showed up he was about to finish her off. And what did he say to her right before that? He called her "niisan" and he even had the same look on his face from the time he saved her (doubles for IronicEcho). From her monologue and her distress- you can see the horror in her eyes-, she realized that Sasuke had changed. However, she could also have considered that maybe Sasuke never gave a damn about her any ways and that he only cared about her abilities. Need I remind that she loved this man?

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* There is a moment of in-universe fridge horror where the horror is realized by a character in the show. These are hardly ever talked about. When Sasuke defected, he had to perform missions for Orochimaru. One such mission was he had to help Karin stop a prison riot. He ended up saving her and he called her "niisan". That is when she fell in love with him. Much later, Sasuke recruited her much to her happiness, but, if the above theory is incorrect, then he really didn't mind killing her if it meant killing Danzo. When she survived, Sakura showed up and promised to join him, so Sasuke asked Sakura to kill Karin to prove her loyalty. This could be explained by Sasuke's possible motive to call Sakura's bluff, but just before Sakura showed up he was about to finish her off. And what did he say to her right before that? He called her "niisan" and he even had the same look on his face from the time he saved her (doubles for IronicEcho). From her monologue and her distress- distress -- you can see the horror in her eyes-, eyes --, she realized that Sasuke had changed. However, she could also have considered that maybe Sasuke never gave a damn about her any ways and that he only cared about her abilities. Need I remind that she loved this man?



*** Solved. [[spoiler:Tobi is Obito, an Uchiha, so technically he is, in fact, a descendant of the sage just not a direct one. Then there was the fact that the other half of his body was grafted with Hashima's cloned cell, which in itself already makes half of him the descendant of the the Sage's good son - then you found out that having both Senju and Uchiha's cell is what needed to receive the Sage's power.]]

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*** Solved. [[spoiler:Tobi is Obito, an Uchiha, so technically he is, in fact, a descendant of the sage just not a direct one. Then there was the fact that the other half of his body was grafted with Hashima's cloned cell, which in itself already makes half of him the descendant of the the Sage's good son - -- then you found out that having both Senju and Uchiha's cell is what needed to receive the Sage's power.]]



*** The specific condition is if a soul has not yet crossed the threshold between life and death. Kakashi and Sakumo were on the threshold the entire time- talking to each-other. When Kakashi was being revived, Sakumo was finally able to move on. With Madara's body kept in a safe spot, which was why Obito freaked out when Kabuto revealed he got to it, Madara's soul never moved on- he never accepted death and remained in limbo. Yahiko would have died happy knowing (or believing) that Nagato and Konan would get out of there alive, thus he'd move on.

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*** The specific condition is if a soul has not yet crossed the threshold between life and death. Kakashi and Sakumo were on the threshold the entire time- time -- talking to each-other. When Kakashi was being revived, Sakumo was finally able to move on. With Madara's body kept in a safe spot, which was why Obito freaked out when Kabuto revealed he got to it, Madara's soul never moved on- on -- he never accepted death and remained in limbo. Yahiko would have died happy knowing (or believing) that Nagato and Konan would get out of there alive, thus he'd move on.



** Couldn't it be that there is more than one pre-Genin academy in Konoha? This explains why the 'Rookie Nine' seem unfamiliar with other Konoha Genin during the Chunnin Exams, and why you have all of the high profile targets in one class - children form the main branches of all the major clans, and Naruto, the jinchuriki of the Kyuubi. It also is an extension of the fact that Genin teams, even after being promoted to Chunnin often continue to work together. Unfortunately, this doesn't explain people like Sakura, Tenten, or Lee, unless you consider (based on how perfectly well rounded most teams are, and how Naruto's class split evenly into three teams) that perhaps Genin teams were being considered years before Academy graduation.

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** Couldn't it be that there is more than one pre-Genin academy in Konoha? This explains why the 'Rookie Nine' seem unfamiliar with other Konoha Genin during the Chunnin Exams, and why you have all of the high profile targets in one class - -- children form the main branches of all the major clans, and Naruto, the jinchuriki of the Kyuubi. It also is an extension of the fact that Genin teams, even after being promoted to Chunnin often continue to work together. Unfortunately, this doesn't explain people like Sakura, Tenten, or Lee, unless you consider (based on how perfectly well rounded most teams are, and how Naruto's class split evenly into three teams) that perhaps Genin teams were being considered years before Academy graduation.



** [[spoiler: I have a theory for that. Rin didn't want to take any chances, as Kushina had not displayed the ability to summon/unleash Kurama and use him against Isobu- and I don't think Rin even knew that Kurama was so close at hand. She may be the medic of the team, but she is not omniscient. For all we know- she had no way of knowing ''any'' of the stuff you brought up. Besides, if Isobu went to the Hidden Leaf, it would disrupt the balance of power and the Hidden Cloud would wage war with Gyuki and Matatabi at their disposal- which would be even worse than letting the mist get back their bijuu.]]

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** [[spoiler: I have a theory for that. Rin didn't want to take any chances, as Kushina had not displayed the ability to summon/unleash Kurama and use him against Isobu- Isobu -- and I don't think Rin even knew that Kurama was so close at hand. She may be the medic of the team, but she is not omniscient. For all we know- know -- she had no way of knowing ''any'' of the stuff you brought up. Besides, if Isobu went to the Hidden Leaf, it would disrupt the balance of power and the Hidden Cloud would wage war with Gyuki and Matatabi at their disposal- disposal -- which would be even worse than letting the mist get back their bijuu.]]



** [[spoiler:I don't know where you can find a reference for this, but I could swear that this was mentioned at some point in the manga - there's a reason why the tailed beasts are all sealed inside children. The tailed-beast's chakra significantly alters and affects a person's chakra network. When sealed inside a child, the tailed-beast is mixed with that child's chakra network, and the child's chakra network adapts to the large amount of chakra that comes from the tailed-beast as they grow older. This is the reason why the host dies if the tailed-beast is ever ripped out of the Jinchuriki's body - the core of their chakra networks is essentially being ripped out (except for anyone from the Uzumaki clan, who all have a great amount of their own chakra to still draw from). That said, the older a host initially is, the less capable that person is of adapting to the tailed-beast's chakra in their system, meaning Rin was far from being capable of taking in Isobu the same way that Naruto, Gaara, and Bee were able to with their respective tailed-beasts. Not to mention the sealing work done by the Mist Ninja was already intentionally shoddy to account for the time it would take Rin and Kakashi to reach Konoha, so her fate was sealed the moment they put the Three-Tails inside of her - she was either going die from the seal's failure and Isobu forcing its way out, or by Isobu ripping her chakra system apart and destroying her internally, that is if the Mist Ninja didn't kill Kakashi during the chase and use some other means of delivering her to Konoha. If I'm completely mistaken about something mentioning the age of the host at the time of implantation being important in the manga... well, it makes for a great theory.]] That said, to completely answer the original troper's question of why [[spoiler:Rin]] would want to kill herself in that particular situation, [[spoiler:Rin making it to Konoha would have been playing in to the Mist Village's entire plan in the first place. Kirigakure's entire plan revolved around taking a Konoha ninja and turning him/her into a literal TykeBomb that would destroy Konoha upon arrival, and Rin didn't want that to happen]]. And really, regardless of whatever arguments can be made for her actions, [[spoiler:Rin]] ''didn't have time to think about any and all of this while being chased down by Mist ninja''.
** As far as Minato being away on a mission goes - let's remember we are talking about the king of TeleportSpam here, and both Kakashi and Rin know he's capable of zapping over at a moment's notice had they had one of those marked kunai. And he's definitely capable of porting to Kushina, that was established. That said, the balance of power point holds up. Konoha winding up with two bijuu would have been seen by the other villages as a seriously aggressive move, to the point that they might conclude that they deliberately sealed it inside Rin for transport back to the village - something the Mist would be in no hurry to deny.

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** [[spoiler:I don't know where you can find a reference for this, but I could swear that this was mentioned at some point in the manga - -- there's a reason why the tailed beasts are all sealed inside children. The tailed-beast's chakra significantly alters and affects a person's chakra network. When sealed inside a child, the tailed-beast is mixed with that child's chakra network, and the child's chakra network adapts to the large amount of chakra that comes from the tailed-beast as they grow older. This is the reason why the host dies if the tailed-beast is ever ripped out of the Jinchuriki's body - -- the core of their chakra networks is essentially being ripped out (except for anyone from the Uzumaki clan, who all have a great amount of their own chakra to still draw from). That said, the older a host initially is, the less capable that person is of adapting to the tailed-beast's chakra in their system, meaning Rin was far from being capable of taking in Isobu the same way that Naruto, Gaara, and Bee were able to with their respective tailed-beasts. Not to mention the sealing work done by the Mist Ninja was already intentionally shoddy to account for the time it would take Rin and Kakashi to reach Konoha, so her fate was sealed the moment they put the Three-Tails inside of her - -- she was either going die from the seal's failure and Isobu forcing its way out, or by Isobu ripping her chakra system apart and destroying her internally, that is if the Mist Ninja didn't kill Kakashi during the chase and use some other means of delivering her to Konoha. If I'm completely mistaken about something mentioning the age of the host at the time of implantation being important in the manga... well, it makes for a great theory.]] That said, to completely answer the original troper's question of why [[spoiler:Rin]] would want to kill herself in that particular situation, [[spoiler:Rin making it to Konoha would have been playing in to the Mist Village's entire plan in the first place. Kirigakure's entire plan revolved around taking a Konoha ninja and turning him/her into a literal TykeBomb that would destroy Konoha upon arrival, and Rin didn't want that to happen]]. And really, regardless of whatever arguments can be made for her actions, [[spoiler:Rin]] ''didn't have time to think about any and all of this while being chased down by Mist ninja''.
** As far as Minato being away on a mission goes - -- let's remember we are talking about the king of TeleportSpam here, and both Kakashi and Rin know he's capable of zapping over at a moment's notice had they had one of those marked kunai. And he's definitely capable of porting to Kushina, that was established. That said, the balance of power point holds up. Konoha winding up with two bijuu would have been seen by the other villages as a seriously aggressive move, to the point that they might conclude that they deliberately sealed it inside Rin for transport back to the village - -- something the Mist would be in no hurry to deny.



* Something that always bugged me for a while- why does Naruto's Bijuu transformations comprise of pure energy rather than a flesh-and-blood form like the rest? At first I thought it was to represent Naruto being one of a kind, but then it hit me! Kurama is only one half of what he was originally, since Minato sealed away the other half.

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* Something that always bugged me for a while- while -- why does Naruto's Bijuu transformations comprise of pure energy rather than a flesh-and-blood form like the rest? At first I thought it was to represent Naruto being one of a kind, but then it hit me! Kurama is only one half of what he was originally, since Minato sealed away the other half.



* My question is this- why hasn't anybody gone 'HOLY CRAP' or something along those lines when they find out that Minato is Naruto's father. Naruto has outright called him 'Dad' infront of everyone, why doesn't anyone (Most of which who don't even know that fact within the leaf village) show any sort of shock/envy?

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* My question is this- this -- why hasn't anybody gone 'HOLY CRAP' or something along those lines when they find out that Minato is Naruto's father. Naruto has outright called him 'Dad' infront of everyone, why doesn't anyone (Most of which who don't even know that fact within the leaf village) show any sort of shock/envy?



** But still, you'd think at least some people would be surprised despite the ongoing battle. I mean, at least have Sakura- who knows Naruto the most and was right there- having time to actually comment- to say something. She didn't have to prioritize defending or fleeing, she was healing Naruto and had time to bash him over the head when he made the girlfriend comment. Personally, I believe that it was Kishimoto desperately trying to have Naruto cling to the whole 'hard work is the only way' theme [which he has turned on its head anyway, but that's besides the point].

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** But still, you'd think at least some people would be surprised despite the ongoing battle. I mean, at least have Sakura- Sakura -- who knows Naruto the most and was right there- there -- having time to actually comment- comment -- to say something. She didn't have to prioritize defending or fleeing, she was healing Naruto and had time to bash him over the head when he made the girlfriend comment. Personally, I believe that it was Kishimoto desperately trying to have Naruto cling to the whole 'hard work is the only way' theme [which he has turned on its head anyway, but that's besides the point].



* I had always wondered why Orochimaru had to go from body to body, and it was never explained how the host body rejects Orochimaru. With the revelation of the fact that his arms were still sealed within the Reaper (Yes, I use the english dub name, big whoop >.>) and he had to free them in order to use reanimation, it occurred to me. Orochimaru could not completely take over bodies with an incomplete soul- a portion of the victim's soul was still within the body, and it would fight back over time. --- Dephlogisticate

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* I had always wondered why Orochimaru had to go from body to body, and it was never explained how the host body rejects Orochimaru. With the revelation of the fact that his arms were still sealed within the Reaper (Yes, I use the english dub name, big whoop >.>) and he had to free them in order to use reanimation, it occurred to me. Orochimaru could not completely take over bodies with an incomplete soul- soul -- a portion of the victim's soul was still within the body, and it would fight back over time. --- Dephlogisticate



*** It was meant to be a rhetorical question, but yeah- I understand that. But given the new chapter, it's enough to actually keep Madara on his toes, or 'excited' as the Kishimoto SelfInsert claims acts.

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*** It was meant to be a rhetorical question, but yeah- yeah -- I understand that. But given the new chapter, it's enough to actually keep Madara on his toes, or 'excited' as the Kishimoto SelfInsert claims acts.



* Did anyone ever noticed that Sasori seemed to be the Evil Counterpart to Kakashi? Or at least he was planned as such. First thing we learn about Kakashi: he is always late. Sasori: he hates being late. Kakashi emphasizes on Teamfights. Sasori makes his own team. Mostly: Kakashi specializes in copying Jutsus, with the exception of Kekkei Genkai. Sasori steals other peoples techniques, too - but only the Kekkei Genkai. I think he was an attempt to show that Sakura did finally catch up. [[FauxActionGirl It just]] [[TheLoad didn't stick]].

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* Did anyone ever noticed that Sasori seemed to be the Evil Counterpart to Kakashi? Or at least he was planned as such. First thing we learn about Kakashi: he is always late. Sasori: he hates being late. Kakashi emphasizes on Teamfights. Sasori makes his own team. Mostly: Kakashi specializes in copying Jutsus, with the exception of Kekkei Genkai. Sasori steals other peoples techniques, too - -- but only the Kekkei Genkai. I think he was an attempt to show that Sakura did finally catch up. [[FauxActionGirl It just]] [[TheLoad didn't stick]].
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* Kaguya and her sons being aliens seems strange but then you remember who inspired Creator/MasashiKishimoto: Creator/AkiraToriyama who's most [[Franchise/DragonBall famous work]] has a lot of superpowerful aliens.

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* Kaguya and her sons being aliens seems strange but then you remember who inspired Creator/MasashiKishimoto: Creator/AkiraToriyama who's most [[Manga/DragonBall famous work]] has a lot of superpowerful aliens.

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* Kaguya and her sons being aliens seems strange but then you remember who inspired Creator/MasashiKishimoto: Creator/AkiraToriyama who's most [[Manga/DragonBall [[Franchise/DragonBall famous work]] has a lot of superpowerful aliens.
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** It also hammers home just how untalented Naruto really is and the degree of dedication required to improve. He had to take literal lifetimes of experience to keep pace with other characters in the series.
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* Before the Sasuke Retrieval Arc kicks off proper, we get a quick scene of Neji training with the byakugan by counting the number of birds in his immediate area. He counts 7, but when Tenten interrupts and the birds fly off, there's 8. At first this just seems like Neji missed one, but it was actually subtle foreshadowing that the byakugan's perceptive abilities aren't perfect and that Neji has a blind spot.
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*** Also, [=NaruSaku=] [[ShipSinking officially ended]] in Chapter 469, when Sakura gave her [[NeverLiveItDown infamous]] [[FalseConfession fake love confession]] to Naruto. Naruto easily saw right through it, [[WhatTheHellHero called her out for lying]] because he knew that she still loved Sasuke and would never love him romantically--which he confirmed to Sai in Chapter 474--and then rejected her outright by telling her that he '''hates''' people who lie to themselves. Not once did he ever show any romantic feelings for her afterwards ([[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment do not refer to any anime filler]]; they don't count because they're not canon). Conversely, [[OfficialCouple NaruHina]] started having [[UnresolvedSexualTension more significant]] ShipTease together beginning in the [[WarArc Fourth Shinobi World War Arc]]. Such moments include the "[[EyesNeverLie I can see it in your eyes]]" comment to each other in Chapter 559, Naruto '''not''' denying nor poking fun at Kiba's statement that he's [[InsecureLoveInterest "acting tough" in front of Hinata]] in Chapter 611, the HoldingHands moment (which is an incredibly romantic gesture in Japan) in Chapter 615, [[MindlinkMates Naruto hearing Hinata mentally call out his name in despair]] when she's caught in the Infinite Tsukuyomi and immediately trying to rush to her aid in Chapter 677, and then Naruto standing by Hinata's side during Neji's funeral in Chapter 699.

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*** Also, [=NaruSaku=] [[ShipSinking officially ended]] in Chapter 469, when Sakura gave her [[NeverLiveItDown infamous]] [[FalseConfession fake love confession]] to Naruto. Naruto easily saw right through it, [[WhatTheHellHero called her out for lying]] because he knew that she still loved Sasuke and would never love him romantically--which he confirmed to Sai in Chapter 474--and then rejected her outright by telling her that he '''hates''' people who lie to themselves. Not once did he ever show any romantic feelings for her afterwards ([[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment ([[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment do not refer to any anime filler]]; they don't count because they're not canon). Conversely, [[OfficialCouple NaruHina]] started having [[UnresolvedSexualTension more significant]] ShipTease together beginning in the [[WarArc Fourth Shinobi World War Arc]]. Such moments include the "[[EyesNeverLie I can see it in your eyes]]" comment to each other in Chapter 559, Naruto '''not''' denying nor poking fun at Kiba's statement that he's [[InsecureLoveInterest "acting tough" in front of Hinata]] in Chapter 611, the HoldingHands moment (which is an incredibly romantic gesture in Japan) in Chapter 615, [[MindlinkMates Naruto hearing Hinata mentally call out his name in despair]] when she's caught in the Infinite Tsukuyomi and immediately trying to rush to her aid in Chapter 677, and then Naruto standing by Hinata's side during Neji's funeral in Chapter 699.
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* I haven't actually read the most recent chapters of ''{{Naruto}}'', but all the talk surrounding it made me come to a revelation about the backstory of Pain/Nagato. The biggest complaints involved the idea that he hadn't gone through enough to justify the kind of heartless murderer he became. While this made sense, another point was made a few chapters later: [[spoiler:he can perform what amounts to Mass Raise Dead, and it's implied somewhere that he could possibly do it without dying]]. After thinking it over, Pain's character suddenly made a lot more sense. [[spoiler:He knew he could bring back the people he killed in his attacks (whether or not he actually did), and [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity knowing this led to him becoming disillusioned with life and death, caring less and less about his own murders.]] This was only compounded by his already-pretty-traumatic childhood.]] - @/ShotgunNinja

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* I haven't actually read the most recent chapters of ''{{Naruto}}'', chapters, but all the talk surrounding it made me come to a revelation about the backstory of Pain/Nagato. The biggest complaints involved the idea that he hadn't gone through enough to justify the kind of heartless murderer he became. While this made sense, another point was made a few chapters later: [[spoiler:he can perform what amounts to Mass Raise Dead, and it's implied somewhere that he could possibly do it without dying]]. After thinking it over, Pain's character suddenly made a lot more sense. [[spoiler:He knew he could bring back the people he killed in his attacks (whether or not he actually did), and [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity knowing this led to him becoming disillusioned with life and death, caring less and less about his own murders.]] This was only compounded by his already-pretty-traumatic childhood.]] - @/ShotgunNinja



* The first Hokage in {{Naruto}} has the power to manipulate wood and trees... and the village where most of the characters are from is the Hidden Leaf Village. Of course, it is surrounded by a forest, but ''still'' the name bothered me, especially when most of the other villages specialized in jutsus related to their village locations. -- @/{{Gallows}}

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* The first Hokage in {{Naruto}} has the power to manipulate wood and trees... and the village where most of the characters are from is the Hidden Leaf Village. Of course, it is surrounded by a forest, but ''still'' the name bothered me, especially when most of the other villages specialized in jutsus related to their village locations. -- @/{{Gallows}}



* In {{Naruto}}, the emphasis on teamwork and D-Rank missions make absolutely no sense given that ninja seem entirely oriented toward one on one combat. However, then I realized that the ninja system is actually a Super Registration Act, and those things are meant to STOP them from becoming mindless soldiers by giving them a strong sense of loyalty, civic duty, and balance with civilian life. Also, despite what is seen, excluding prodigies, most ninja are NOT likely to be child soldiers, as they probably stick to D\C missions for most of their life, meaning that they are less "super-soldier" and more "social worker/militia". If this system wasn't used, the Naruto world would be like the Marvel universe, except even a weak super would be able to terrorize non-supers. -- {{@/Wodan46}}

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* In {{Naruto}}, the The emphasis on teamwork and D-Rank missions make absolutely no sense given that ninja seem entirely oriented toward one on one combat. However, then I realized that the ninja system is actually a Super Registration Act, and those things are meant to STOP them from becoming mindless soldiers by giving them a strong sense of loyalty, civic duty, and balance with civilian life. Also, despite what is seen, excluding prodigies, most ninja are NOT likely to be child soldiers, as they probably stick to D\C missions for most of their life, meaning that they are less "super-soldier" and more "social worker/militia". If this system wasn't used, the Naruto world would be like the Marvel universe, except even a weak super would be able to terrorize non-supers. -- {{@/Wodan46}}



* ''{{Naruto}}'' can go into this occasionally, but one of the best examples happened [[spoiler: when Danzo loses control of the 1st Hokage's cells in his arm that were letting him use wood releases, his arm grows into a tree and nearly absorbs him into it before he rips it off to get away. Now consider how the fifty infants Orochimaru did the same thing to probably died. It'd only be worse if there was a small grove of little trees somewhere in Orochimaru's lab.]]

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* ''{{Naruto}}'' ''Naruto'' can go into this occasionally, but one of the best examples happened [[spoiler: when Danzo loses control of the 1st Hokage's cells in his arm that were letting him use wood releases, his arm grows into a tree and nearly absorbs him into it before he rips it off to get away. Now consider how the fifty infants Orochimaru did the same thing to probably died. It'd only be worse if there was a small grove of little trees somewhere in Orochimaru's lab.]]
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** Beginning in the [[WarArc Fourth Shinobi World War Arc]], every conversation they have is either an [[MeaningfulEcho echo]] of something she previously told him or incredibly [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming heartwarming]], and overall dripping with UnresolvedSexualTension. He's clearly concerned about her, even though he can't explain why just yet.

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** Beginning in the [[WarArc Fourth Shinobi World War Arc]], every conversation they have is either an [[MeaningfulEcho echo]] of something she previously told him or incredibly [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming heartwarming]], SugarWiki/{{heartwarming|Moments}}, and overall dripping with UnresolvedSexualTension. He's clearly concerned about her, even though he can't explain why just yet.
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* The reason that [[spoiler:The Uchiha Madara]] brought back using Edo Tensei was simply to turn him into a VillainSue.
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**To be fair, Lee was a 14 year old when drinking. It would make sense that his tolerance would be much lower considering his size and age. By adulthood, he's much better with alcohol than Naruto is going from what we see in Boruto.
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**** [[RealityIsUnrealistic 40 weeks is considered full term for human pregnancy.]] If 4 weeks equals one month, that makes ten months.
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* Asuma's last words to Ino are an encouragement to keep being the TeamMom he knows she can be to Shikamaru and Choji, and to never lose to Sakura in either ninjutsu or romance. At first, it seems that Ino only achieves the first part but, depending on your point of view, she actually achieves both goals. She doesn't become a top medical ninja, but she becomes ''the'' foremost expert in the Yamanaka clan's ninjutsu. Furthermore, the ''Epilogue'' shows her [[spoiler: HappilyMarried to Sai]]. Sure, she [[spoiler: DidNotGetTheGuy she (initially) wanted, but considering that Sasuke spent most of his life as a married man away from his wife and child]], it's debatable which of the girls actually "won" at romance.

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* Asuma's last words to Ino are an encouragement to keep being the TeamMom he knows she can be to Shikamaru and Choji, and to never lose to Sakura in either ninjutsu or romance. At first, it seems that Ino only achieves the first part but, depending on your point of view, she actually achieves both goals. She doesn't become a top medical ninja, but she becomes ''the'' foremost expert in the Yamanaka clan's ninjutsu. Furthermore, the ''Epilogue'' shows her [[spoiler: HappilyMarried to Sai]]. Sure, she [[spoiler: DidNotGetTheGuy she wanted, but considering that Sasuke spent most of his life as a married man away from his wife and child]], it's debatable which of the girls actually "won" at romance.

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* Asuma's last words to Ino are an encouragement to keep being the TeamMom he knows she can be to Shikamaru and Choji, and to never lose to Sakura in either ninjutsu or romance. At first, it seems that Ino only achieves the first part but, depending on your point of view, she actually achieves both goals. She doesn't become a top medical ninja, but she becomes ''the'' foremost expert in the Yamanaka clan's ninjutsu. Furthermore, the ''Epilogue'' shows her [[spoiler: HappilyMarried to Sai]]. Sure, she [[spoiler: DidNotGetTheGuy she (initially) wanted, but considering that Sasuke spent most of his life as a married man away from his wife and child]], it's debatable which of the girls actually "won" at romance.
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** Furthermore while Kaguya's character was incredibly rushed, it was hardly and AssPull, not only is the name from the clan Kimimaro comes from, but she was effectively foreshadowed when Pain explains how the Sage of Sixth Paths created the moon with a Planetary Devastation jutsu to seal a monster, though this could mean just the ten tails since it was mentioned not long after, is really more an issue that Kishimoto didn't knew how to introduce Kaguya rather than not knowing how to defeat Madara.



** Though judging by his reaction to that revelation, that seems to have appealed to his sense of artistry. Unlike Deidara, he prefers to create art that lasts forever.

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