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25th May '16 8:44:31 PM ZanyHedgehog
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* Latest chapters show that in the battle with Madara, Tsunade and Oonoki are the two left standing. At first, I'd thought that Mei, Gaara, and A were getting [[TheWorfEffect worfed.]] But then I realized that Oonoki personally fought Madara. Also, while Tsunade may not have fought Madara personally, its not unreasonable that knowledge of Madara's techniques abilities, etc. may have been passed down in her family! So of course these two would be able to adapt better to him!

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* Latest • Guys, this “Biju Revival” plot hole isn’t really a plot hole at all and the answer is a really long but simple one.
o First, the Kyuubi stated to that Naruto that if he dies, he dies too. Now why would the Kyuubi say that if all the Biju could revive them after death? Because the simple truth is that they can’t. Think about the actions and behavior of the Biju, they get hurt and even the Hachibi states that even they have feelings, to me this means if the Biju could revive themselves then they wouldn’t care that host dies or if they get killed or even worst commit suicide. This would also make them useless militarily because even if of the villages could fit the right host, the Biju would try to die in order to escape anyway they can. Yet the Bijus and Kyuubi all protect their host all the time and Kyuubi has always been trying to escape from Naruto’s body. This means that as long as they are connected to a host, they can die!
o Secondly, the one who brought up this fact was Ay right? However doesn’t anyone find that kinda sketchy? Ay has been characterized as a person who cares and looks out for his men, especially Killer Bee however he is also a bit of a hypocritic since denies a lot of incidents that the Hidden Cloud village were responsible in (Stealing ninjustu from other villages, abducting a young Hinata and Kushina, causing the death of Tobirama, the Second Hokage). He is also characterized as a person who gets really aggressive and stubborn when Killer Bee is in danger. Now considering that both Naruto and Killer Bee were at risk of being capture and killed, would it really be out of Ay’s character to Lie about the Kyuubi being able to revive in order to kill Naruto to save his brother, the world and keep the Biju truce with the Hidden Leaf?
 Think about his logic for a second, if that was true Tsunade or any other Hidden Leaf village shinobi would be justified in killing Killer Bee in order to stop the war, which of course Ay would outright refuse thus showing his hypocrisy and a flaw in his logic.
 It also would contradicts what we have learned about Ay, Killer Bee, The Hachibi and The Hidden Cloud Village. If the Bijus could revive themselves then both Ay and his father should have gone all out to kill the Hachibi thus saving more lives. In the case the Hidden Cloud, they could easily recover the Hachibi, thanks to those sacred treasures that they have. It also would contradict what Ay said about finding some who can control the Biju rare a lie because the village would have plenty of time to strong people to become a Jinchuriki.
o Thirdly, the issue with Rin and her being the host Sanbi and the simple fact is that Rin didn’t have the Sanbi in her body in the first place! There are several reasons why
 First off, it’s more likely that Madara mind controlled both Rin and the Hidden Mist Shinobi for his plan to turn Obito to the darkside. Madara made Rin act suicidal and say that she was carrying Sanbi in order to get Kakashi a reason to kill her. He also made the Hidden Mist say similar things confirm this.
 Second, how could Madara capture the Sanbi in his current condition? He couldn’t and if he did, why does he Obito then?
 Third, why would Madara risk losing a tailed-beast that is needed for the Moon-Eye Plan in a gambit to get a kid on to his side? He wouldn’t, because killing the Biju would stop the plan completely
 Fourth, if the Sanbi was going to be revived somewhere else, why would it return to its captors? It wouldn’t because it never escaped (yet)
 Fifthly why would Obito go to the Hidden Mist village if the beast isn’t there? Remember that Obito was pretty determined to get the plan started (talking to Nagito to get him on his side, attack the Hidden Leaf Village to get the Kyuubi). There is no beneficial reason to go the Hidden Mist Village (other than revenge but that’s just wasting time).
 Sixth, if Yagura was suppose to be dead at this point then why is he still alive and as Third Mizukage? Obito doesn’t know Edo Tensei and if it was genjustu casting a illusion of Yagura then someone would have eventually noticed
o It’s a stretch but here is what I believe really happen, Madara mind controls Rin and the Hidden Mist shinobi and makes them act and behave like they implanted Rin with the Sanbi and that it’s going to destroy the Hidden Leaf village, thus giving Kakashi a reason to kill Rin. Kakashi of refuses to kill to Rin and tries to save her some other way but Madara forces Rin to get stab by Kakashi Raikiri, thus setting off Obito’s berserk button and setting him up to the dark side. After failing to get the Kyuubi, Obito later travels to the Hidden Mist village in order to find other jinchuriki and discovers that the Sanbi is inside Yagura.
o For those who are wondering about that this should have made Obito realize he was tricked by Madara, it’s really that this may give Obito more credit to his idea that this world is crap because he was pretty used much like most shinobi and that this world isn’t worth fighting for. Obito then puts a genjustu on Yagura fully controlling him but instead of extracting the Sanbi, Obito decides to get his revenge on the Hidden Mist village by becoming the Mizukage and turning the Hidden Mist village into the Bloody Mist village. After having his revenge and gaining Kisame as an ally, Obito decides to finally seal the Sanbi into Gedou statue however his revenge bites him on the butt when Zabuza, a shinobi that he created thanks to the graduation exam he placed, interrupts the sealing process and this is how the Sanbi managed to escape. For those who were wondering why Zabuza didn’t say anything about the event he saw, it’s likely that he was too focused on his own ambitions to care about what he saw or mention it to anyone.
With these three main points I made, one can argue that the Biju in do die and the need to keep them alive in the case of both the heroes and villains is still valid. Therefore this isn’t a plothole -ZanyHedgehog


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chapters show that in the battle with Madara, Tsunade and Oonoki are the two left standing. At first, I'd thought that Mei, Gaara, and A were getting [[TheWorfEffect worfed.]] But then I realized that Oonoki personally fought Madara. Also, while Tsunade may not have fought Madara personally, its not unreasonable that knowledge of Madara's techniques abilities, etc. may have been passed down in her family! So of course these two would be able to adapt better to him!
25th May '16 8:31:40 PM ZanyHedgehog
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But instead Shikamaru took revenge on Hidan and this golden opportunity pretty much disappeared. The main reason that revenge is bad even if it’s control like Shikamaru or wild like Sasuke is because people who commit the act of revenge never consider the long term effects or other options and it also means that it screws everyone up later on (which kinda does)

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But instead Shikamaru took revenge on Hidan and this golden opportunity pretty much disappeared. The main reason that revenge is bad even if it’s control like Shikamaru or wild like Sasuke is because people who commit the act of revenge never consider the long term effects or other options and it also means that it screws everyone up later on (which kinda does)
does)- ZanyHedgehog
24th May '16 4:04:36 PM ZanyHedgehog
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Anyway on of my major points that the Hidan and kakazu arcs is one of the important arc in the series and the reason is that if Shikamaru had captured Hidan(through decapitation) and gain information from him, every tragic event that happens afterwards could been avoided or stop for example
• They could have learned where the Akatsuki bases were located, who are the members and their associates and who is in charge of the organization. They would then learn that the Akatsuki base would be in the hidden rain village and prepare for an invasion force earlier on and thus Jiraya would still be alive and the attack on Konoha would have been avoided.
• They would also gain the knowledge of where Itachi and therefore Sasuke are and instead of running around in the purist of Itachi arc. If they could capture itachi then they would be able to learn the full truth about the Uchiha massacre. They would also lend to Sasuke’s goal to have more (or less depending on how you interpret the character) weight.
• Capturing Hidan would also mean learning how many bijou and jinchuriki are left and learning their locates and possibility helping them out or in the case of the Bijou ether capturing it, sealing it away forever or straight out killing it. They could also use this info to warn the other villages about their jinchuriki about to be taken (if they even care or too afraid to help him/her). But ultimately it would halt, completely stop the Akatsuki plan entirely or make things more difficult for them.
• This would also mean no Fourth Great Shinobi War and no countless deaths of Shinobi including Neji, Shikamaru’s dad (Shikamaru didn’t look happy now huh?) and Ino’s dad. This also means no resurrection of Madara or Kaguya
• In another sense, Shikamaru would actually be protecting the next generation

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Anyway on of my major points point that the Hidan and kakazu arcs Kakazu arc is one of the important arc in the series and the reason is that if Shikamaru had captured Hidan(through decapitation) and gain information from him, every tragic event that happens afterwards could been avoided or stop for example
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24th May '16 4:02:01 PM ZanyHedgehog
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!! Hidan & Kakazu Arc
From a lot of people in the fandom, they say that Shikamaru killing Hidan created a broken Aesop in the story however I feel that not’s quiet true at all. To start with, Asuma never asked Shikamaru, Choji and Ino to get revenge for him, he asked them to “protect the next generation” aka protect Kurenai and her child but that saying could misinterpret by Shikamaru, Ino and Choji. Secondly in the battle with Hidan, we discovered that even with his head cut of Hidan could still talk and function without a body which means that Hidan could be easily is capture and interrogated and in that case Hidan really isn’t that much of threat in comparison to Kakazu. Thirdly Kakashi was only there so that he can protect them from doing something stupid, Shikamaru was the one that ultimately in charge and he was the one that left Ino, Choji and Kakashi alone with Kakazu (who is arguably more dangerous than his partner) which is kinda reckless in some sense. Fourthly, I also find it weird that Asuma ghost showed up when Shikamaru was about to kill Hidan but it’s possible that this ghost is in Shikamaru head of what Shikamaru “believes” Asuma wanted (much like how Sasuke believes that killing everyone in Konoha is what the Uchiha Clan wanted).
Anyway on of my major points that the Hidan and kakazu arcs is one of the important arc in the series and the reason is that if Shikamaru had captured Hidan(through decapitation) and gain information from him, every tragic event that happens afterwards could been avoided or stop for example
• They could have learned where the Akatsuki bases were located, who are the members and their associates and who is in charge of the organization. They would then learn that the Akatsuki base would be in the hidden rain village and prepare for an invasion force earlier on and thus Jiraya would still be alive and the attack on Konoha would have been avoided.
• They would also gain the knowledge of where Itachi and therefore Sasuke are and instead of running around in the purist of Itachi arc. If they could capture itachi then they would be able to learn the full truth about the Uchiha massacre. They would also lend to Sasuke’s goal to have more (or less depending on how you interpret the character) weight.
• Capturing Hidan would also mean learning how many bijou and jinchuriki are left and learning their locates and possibility helping them out or in the case of the Bijou ether capturing it, sealing it away forever or straight out killing it. They could also use this info to warn the other villages about their jinchuriki about to be taken (if they even care or too afraid to help him/her). But ultimately it would halt, completely stop the Akatsuki plan entirely or make things more difficult for them.
• This would also mean no Fourth Great Shinobi War and no countless deaths of Shinobi including Neji, Shikamaru’s dad (Shikamaru didn’t look happy now huh?) and Ino’s dad. This also means no resurrection of Madara or Kaguya
• In another sense, Shikamaru would actually be protecting the next generation
But instead Shikamaru took revenge on Hidan and this golden opportunity pretty much disappeared. The main reason that revenge is bad even if it’s control like Shikamaru or wild like Sasuke is because people who commit the act of revenge never consider the long term effects or other options and it also means that it screws everyone up later on (which kinda does)
6th May '16 4:03:00 PM animalia
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* It has been mentioned time and again that but for a twist of fate Naruto and Sasuke could have easily switched places. While I wanted to believe it, Sasuke was my favorite character, I wasn't quite sure how. Then it hit me. As previously shown both Naruto and Sasuke had lonely childhoods with only a mentor figure, Iruka and Itachi respectively, given them anything akin to real acknowledgement.
However there is one key difference in the two's backstory. How said mentor figure responded to their mentee at their most emotionally unstable.
In the case of Naruto he was emotionally shocked after he learned that he was the demon fox that terrorized the village and even killed Iruka's parents,as a result he is left wondering if it was just a lie. But what happens afterwards? He overhears Iruka telling Mizuki that while it might be possible for him to hate hate the fox he could NEVER hate the boy. The fact that Iruka didn't know that Naruto was nearby just reinforces the truth of his statement to Naruto.

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* It has been mentioned time and again that but for a twist of fate Naruto and Sasuke could have easily switched places. While I wanted to believe it, Sasuke was my favorite character, I wasn't quite sure how. Then it hit me. As previously shown both Naruto and Sasuke had lonely childhoods with only a mentor figure, Iruka and Itachi respectively, given them anything akin to real acknowledgement.
acknowledgement.However there is one key difference in the two's backstory. How said mentor figure responded to their mentee at their most emotionally unstable.
In **In the case of Naruto he was emotionally shocked after he learned that he was the demon fox that terrorized the village and even killed Iruka's parents,as a result he is left wondering if it was just a lie. But what happens afterwards? He overhears Iruka telling Mizuki that while it might be possible for him to hate hate the fox he could NEVER hate the boy. The fact that Iruka didn't know that Naruto was nearby just reinforces the truth of his statement to Naruto.Naruto.
**Now let's review Sasuke's case. He comes home to find his entire family slaughtered and his brother having just finished the act of killing his parents. As a result Sasuke, like Naruto is left wondering if it was all a lie. Unlike Iruka however, Itachi says it WAS all a lie. Then to drive the point home he mind rapes Sasuke by showing him his murder of the entire clan over and over again.
***So in case it wasn't clear already, I'll finish up my point. Imagine if Itachi had told Sasuke that he loved him while Naruto heard that Iruka hated him? Their positions probably WOULD end up being reversed. It also helps to underscore just what kind of long-term psychological damage can be done to an emotionally vulnerable child if they are deprived of love and affection.
6th May '16 3:52:58 PM animalia
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*It has been mentioned time and again that but for a twist of fate Naruto and Sasuke could have easily switched places. While I wanted to believe it, Sasuke was my favorite character, I wasn't quite sure how. Then it hit me. As previously shown both Naruto and Sasuke had lonely childhoods with only a mentor figure, Iruka and Itachi respectively, given them anything akin to real acknowledgement.
However there is one key difference in the two's backstory. How said mentor figure responded to their mentee at their most emotionally unstable.
In the case of Naruto he was emotionally shocked after he learned that he was the demon fox that terrorized the village and even killed Iruka's parents,as a result he is left wondering if it was just a lie. But what happens afterwards? He overhears Iruka telling Mizuki that while it might be possible for him to hate hate the fox he could NEVER hate the boy. The fact that Iruka didn't know that Naruto was nearby just reinforces the truth of his statement to Naruto.
19th Apr '16 10:46:41 AM tombombadilli
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\n\n* Jiraiya was told by the grand toad sage, that he would raise a ninja that would either be a destroyer or a savior; we would label Naruto as the savior and Nagato as the destroyer. But the prophecy was one ninja and that ninja is Naruto. Naruto is obviously the savior of the ninja world but for a couple of hours he was also a destroyer. Once Naruto beat Obito he was given a thanks by Madara, this would lead on to the end of conscious thought of all living beings and where only the dead would walk and rise from the earth. The dead would also go on to summon Demons and the saviors of the world.


16th Apr '16 10:13:27 PM Eagal
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* Consider the fact that Orochimaru is allowed to continue operating, doing whatever he likes, with Naruto's full knowledge, under the implicit agreement that he only restricts himself from targeting people from Konoha. It wasn't until Shin attacked Salad that Naruto actually went to check up on Orochimaru and after he learned that Shin was acting on his own, pretty much let the matter drop. Not very leaderly of you, Uzumaki-sama.[[/folder]]
19th Mar '16 7:41:47 PM Joekage1216
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**Also, maybe a stretch, but would [[spoiler: Himawari be sort of like a an incomplete reincarnation of Kaguya?]] We see in The Last that [[spoiler: Hinata]] has [[spoiler: Hamura's]] chakra, and Naruto has [[spoiler: Hagoromo's]].
14th Mar '16 11:42:13 AM Bugfragged
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* Kaguya's Zetsu Army was meant to fight [[spoiler:Momoshiki and Kinshiki]], which sounds like a bad idea at first due to how most of the army fared against the Shinobi Alliance. However, the Zetsu that possessed [[spoiler:Yamato]] was insanely strong and managed to hold the Alliance at bay by itself, which implies the Zetsus actually have a lot more potential than most would expect. If Kaguya had more time, she could have researched more and built an army of Kage level or higher Zetsus, giving her enough military power to not only push back [[spoiler:Momoshiki]], but to conquer the rest of the universe as well.
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