History Fridge / Naruto

15th Jan '17 3:50:02 AM tatiana
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From a lot of people in the fandom, they say that Shikamaru killing Hidan created a broken Aesop in the story however I feel that not’s quiet true at all. To start with, Asuma never asked Shikamaru, Choji and Ino to get revenge for him, he asked them to “protect the next generation” aka protect Kurenai and her child but that saying could misinterpret by Shikamaru, Ino and Choji. Secondly in the battle with Hidan, we discovered that even with his head cut of Hidan could still talk and function without a body which means that Hidan could be easily is capture and interrogated and in that case Hidan really isn’t that much of threat in comparison to Kakazu. Thirdly Kakashi was only there so that he can protect them from doing something stupid, Shikamaru was the one that ultimately in charge and he was the one that left Ino, Choji and Kakashi alone with Kakazu (who is arguably more dangerous than his partner) which is kinda reckless in some sense. Fourthly, I also find it weird that Asuma ghost showed up when Shikamaru was about to kill Hidan but it’s possible that this ghost is in Shikamaru head of what Shikamaru “believes” Asuma wanted (much like how Sasuke believes that killing everyone in Konoha is what the Uchiha Clan wanted).

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From a lot of people in the fandom, they say that Shikamaru killing Hidan created a broken Aesop in the story however I feel that not’s quiet true at all. To start with, Asuma never asked Shikamaru, Choji and Ino to get revenge for him, he asked them to “protect the next generation” aka protect Kurenai and her child but that saying could misinterpret be easily misinterpreted by Shikamaru, Ino and Choji. Secondly in the battle with Hidan, we discovered that even with his head cut of Hidan could still talk and function without a body which means that Hidan could be easily is capture and interrogated and in that case Hidan really isn’t that much of threat in comparison to Kakazu. Thirdly Kakashi was only there so that he can protect them from doing something stupid, Shikamaru was the one that ultimately in charge and he was the one that left Ino, Choji and Kakashi alone with Kakazu (who is arguably more dangerous than his partner) which is kinda reckless in some sense. Fourthly, I also find it weird that Asuma ghost showed up when Shikamaru was about to kill Hidan but it’s possible that this ghost is in Shikamaru head of what Shikamaru “believes” Asuma wanted (much like how Sasuke believes that killing everyone in Konoha is what the Uchiha Clan wanted).
2nd Jan '17 6:25:57 AM Patcher
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But instead Shikamaru took revenge on Hidan and this golden opportunity pretty much disappeared. The main reason that revenge is bad even if it’s control like Shikamaru or wild like Sasuke is because people who commit the act of revenge never consider the long term effects or other options and it also means that it screws everyone up later on (which kinda does)- ZanyHedgehog

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But instead Shikamaru took revenge on Hidan and this golden opportunity pretty much disappeared. The main reason that revenge is bad even if it’s control controlled like Shikamaru or wild like Sasuke is because people who commit the act of revenge never consider the long term effects or other options and it also means that it screws everyone up later on (which kinda does)- ZanyHedgehog



* Why did Tobi infiltrated Akatsuki as a goof when he was in fact it's leader? [[spoiler: Because he feared Orochimaru knew about Madara's death and used {{obfuscating stupidity}} to keep the later from having a bargaining chip against Akatsuki. By pretending not to be an important member and leaving the leadership role to Pain, Tobi could continue with his plans without the threat of Orochimaru exposing him if he came out openly as Akatsuki's leader.]] Once Orochimaru kicked the bucket [[spoiler:(at least temporarily)]], Tobi no longer had to worry about the later exposing his secret and could resume his role as Madara Uchiha.

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* Why did Tobi infiltrated Akatsuki as a goof when he was in fact it's its leader? [[spoiler: Because he feared Orochimaru knew about Madara's death and used {{obfuscating stupidity}} to keep the later from having a bargaining chip against Akatsuki. By pretending not to be an important member and leaving the leadership role to Pain, Tobi could continue with his plans without the threat of Orochimaru exposing him if he came out openly as Akatsuki's leader.]] Once Orochimaru kicked the bucket [[spoiler:(at least temporarily)]], Tobi no longer had to worry about the later exposing his secret and could resume his role as Madara Uchiha.
1st Jan '17 5:54:36 PM phylos
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* Sasuke's insane. This isn't a bashing or anything, don't get me wrong, he's been my favorite character for the longest time and I'm kinda annoyed about what happened to him recently with all the out of character stuff that's happened to him recently. But when you think about it, Sasuke's entire life up to this point had been to kill Itachi for his murder of their perfect clan. But now, he knows that Itachi was the good guy or at least more so and his clan was the bad guy. For the longest time Sasuke's been like Batman, but now it's like as if Batman woke up one day and learned that his parents were supervillains and the guy who killed them was the equivalent to D.C.'s Jesus. of course he would have snapped given that he always had anger issues and wasn't very stable to begin with.

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* Sasuke's insane. This isn't a bashing or anything, don't get me wrong, he's been my favorite character for the longest time and I'm kinda annoyed about what happened to him recently with all the out of character stuff that's happened to him recently. But when you think about it, Sasuke's entire life up to this point had been to kill Itachi for his murder of their perfect clan. But now, he knows that Itachi was the good guy or at least more so following orders and that his clan was the bad guy. wasn't entirely good. For the longest time Sasuke's been like Batman, but now it's like as if Batman woke up one day and learned that his parents were supervillains mobsters and the guy who killed them was the equivalent to D.C.'s Jesus.another (far less heroic) Batman. of course he would have snapped given that he always had anger issues and wasn't very stable to begin with.
28th Oct '16 8:40:07 PM KrspaceT
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* A bit one, but why does Itachi have a different dub voice when he debuts in person vs when Sasuke briefly flashbacks? Because that is how Sasuke ''thinks'' Itachi sounds like now: a more sinister and evil voice than his real monotone.
19th Oct '16 10:04:33 AM kuchiki222
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** [[spoiler:Solved. It is not that Rin didn't seek Minato, Kushina or Jiraiya's help, rather than she couldn't. Madara was the one pulling the strings the whole time while Mist danced with him. Madara used a Contract Jutsu on Rin and brainwashed The Mist with a great idea to 'capture her and suicide bomb Hidden Leaf with the Three-Tails' using Rin. The Jutsu could NOT disobey Madara's instructions at all, as it would have ruined a certain plan of Madara, and Madara's real intention was to have her killed by the Mist. Hence, Rin unknowingly helped Madara by jumping in front of Kakashi. The certain plan of Madara? Corrupt Obito. To say that it went flawlessly will be an understatement.]]
29th Sep '16 8:18:46 AM hiti67
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* Naruto explicitly states that he believes in Majority Rules (I.e. The solution the most people believe in is the right/best one). Expanding on this, if one person must die to save ten or a hundred then by majority rules Naruto would believe it right and just to kill that one person. Sound familiar? It should because this point of view justifies his becoming a jinchuriki, if Naruto didn't believe in majority rules he would have no way of justifying all the pain and suffering he has experienced and, therefore, no way to forgive Konoha!
5th Aug '16 12:59:17 AM darksoul4242
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* I had always wondered why Orochimaru had to go from body to body, and it was never explained how the host body rejects Orochimaru. With the revelation of the fact that his arms were still sealed within the Reaper (Yes, I use the english dub name, big whoop >.> and he had to free them in order to use reanimation, it occurred to me. Orochimaru could not completely take over bodies with an incomplete soul- a portion of the victim's soul was still within the body, and it would fight back over time. --- Dephlogisticate

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* I had always wondered why Orochimaru had to go from body to body, and it was never explained how the host body rejects Orochimaru. With the revelation of the fact that his arms were still sealed within the Reaper (Yes, I use the english dub name, big whoop >.> >) and he had to free them in order to use reanimation, it occurred to me. Orochimaru could not completely take over bodies with an incomplete soul- a portion of the victim's soul was still within the body, and it would fight back over time. --- Dephlogisticate
5th Aug '16 12:57:57 AM darksoul4242
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* More Fridge Sadness than anything, but Obito's vision of a life he could have had is basically a his subconscious lying to himself. He imagines himself as Hokage, ignoring the fact that if he didn't side with Madara, Minato would still be alive and would reign for many years to come. Also take into consideration that Obito would still be missing an eye and have tissue-damage on the right side of his face. His chances of becoming Hokage wouldn't be particularly high considering that visible injuries could be seen as a sign of weakness to foreign nations (do you know many real-life political leaders with facial scars as bad as Obito's?).
** Danzo may have gotten by despite this, but remember that he was also Konoha's highest-ranking military leader, which shows strength of character. He also hadn't fully earned the title as the other Kage were sceptical of his methods.

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* More Fridge Sadness than anything, but Obito's vision of a life he could have had is basically a his subconscious lying to himself. He imagines himself as Hokage, ignoring the fact that if he didn't side with Madara, Minato would still be alive and would reign for many years to come. Also take into consideration that Obito would still be missing an eye and have tissue-damage on the right side of his face. His chances of becoming Hokage wouldn't be particularly high considering that visible injuries could be seen as a sign of weakness to foreign nations (do you know many real-life political leaders with facial scars as bad as Obito's?).
** Danzo may have gotten by despite this, but remember that he was also Konoha's highest-ranking military leader, which shows strength of character. He also hadn't fully earned the title as the other Kage were sceptical skeptical of his methods.
5th Aug '16 12:55:06 AM darksoul4242
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* The only reason we know that Haku is a boy is because s/he tells Naruto this. Everything else about Haku (apperance, voice, effeminate mannierisms) even during childhood suggests a young girl. Realize that Haku recognized Naruto as the enemy and may not have wanted him to hold back when they would do battle later. Since even the viewers had a hard time with this, is it out of the question that Haku could have told a flat out ''lie''? . "A ninja must see through deception," anyone?

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* The only reason we know that Haku is a boy is because s/he tells Naruto this. Everything else about Haku (apperance, (appearance, voice, effeminate mannierisms) mannerisms) even during childhood suggests a young girl. Realize that Haku recognized Naruto as the enemy and may not have wanted him to hold back when they would do battle later. Since even the viewers had a hard time with this, is it out of the question that Haku could have told a flat out ''lie''? . "A ninja must see through deception," anyone?
26th Jul '16 3:19:47 PM Anddrix
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*** Not to mention any more NaruHina treats we get will more than likely [[BaseBreaker break the already broken base]] even more. If anything, we'll probably get closure on this issue at the very last chapter.

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*** Not to mention any more NaruHina treats we get will more than likely [[BaseBreaker break the already broken base]] base even more. If anything, we'll probably get closure on this issue at the very last chapter.
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