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*** Because Xanatos is [[LastNameBasis always referred to by his last name]].

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* FridgeBrilliance: When Oberon is reduced in power, he is forced to use spoken incantations to invoke elemental magic, instead of just pointing.

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* FridgeBrilliance: When Oberon is reduced in power, he is forced to use spoken incantations to invoke elemental magic, instead of just pointing.pointing.
* I was making chocolate milk when it suddenly struck me what makes David Xanatos the greatest villain. It's not that he's an EvilGenius who can [[XanatosGambit trick the heroes into doing his plans for him]], it's not that he has the capacity to feel love and other human emotions, it's not his DissonantSerenity and simple amorality as opposed to being a one-dimensional CardCarryingVillain or CompleteMonster. It's the complete lack of a FreudianExcuse! They don't try to humanize him or make us sympathize with him because of some painful past or bad childhood. He's the type of person he is and does what he does entirely because he wants to be. ''And we're still drawn to him!'' That more than anything confirms for me that this guy really is [[XanatosRoulette in total control]]. ~ @/{{Lale}}
** Concurred, though for an additional reason. Unlike the vast majority of villains, he fully embodies the {{Aesop}} of, as he puts it, "Revenge is a Sucker's Game," and refuses to indulge in any sort of scheme that makes things personal... he refuses to let his antagonists define his goals! The real FridgeBrilliance moment comes when you realize that the thirst for vengeance is a handicap for nearly every other character (even occasionally, the heroes!) of the show, and his lack thereof is a main reason Xanatos is consistently stays one step ahead. - @/{{Rothul}}
*** What I realized about Xanatos that made me appreciate him even more was that he is the ultimate human trickster. He's such a successful trickster that he managed to hold his own against a real Trickster, Coyote. He even had the ultimate Trickster, Puck, working for him! Also, not counting Xanatos, the show featured no less than four Trickster gods; Puck, Coyote, Raven, and Anansi. The trickster myths are among my favorites, and if ABC hadn't [[ExecutiveMeddling changed the format]], it would have been really cool to see them going at it.
*** And speaking of Coyotes, the fact that Xanatos named his robot double Coyote was a bit of a clue as well. Although given the robot's lack of success, I always suspected that the show's producers were homaging a different Coyote entirely. Namely [[LooneyTunes Wile E. Coyote]].
* Actually, my moment is when I was given the first season on DVD, and it occurred to me that the head Gargoyle is named GOLIATH, and his main adversary is named DAVID Xanatos. DAVID vs. GOLIATH! I made a huge headdesk at missing that one, though my friends pointed out that Xanatos was always referred to by his surname. - Mr. Nick
** '''[[BoldInflation How come I never noticed that?!]]''' --@/{{Karalora}}
* Would you believe that watching ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}'' inspired [[Fridge/{{Literature}} a burst of Fridge Brilliance for me regarding Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows]]? ~ {{Lale}}
* I just realized the fact that Brooklyn's [[EvilKnockoff Evil Clone]] is named Hollywood has two layers. First of all, Broadway is in New York, and Hollywood is in L.A. However, both are entertainment capitals of the world: Broadway of theater, and Hollywood of film. It's a perfect contrast --@/DynamicDragon
* Thailog isn't going to be able to spend that money he stole from Xanatos, since the bank doesn't ''circulate'' ten thousand dollar bills. He'd have the police on him in a heartbeat. That's why Xanatos wasn't all that upset to lose the money. --ncfan
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** Actually, think of it this way: one of the mightiest spells he ever worked was one that sealed Goliath and his clan away. He used his magic in a horrific way to punish someone who was innocent. For the Magus, that's kind of the equivalent of a great swordsman deliberately murdering or injuring someone who was innocent with his blade in a fit of rage. The resulting MyGodWhatHaveIDone would eat at him and make his question whether he has the wisdom or judgment to exercise his skills. He thinks he doesn't have the wisdom to offer others because of that mistake, and thus all he has is his magic - something he horribly misused. No wonder he doesn't feel good enough, as the only thing he feels he has to offer is something he has abused and has never forgiven himself for. [[TheWoobie Poor guy.]]

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** Exceptthe Archmage was using that cave ''before''Hakon and the Captain ever die there, and it's stated that they exist as ghosts due to UnfinishedBusiness rather than any magic inherent to the place where they died.

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** Exceptthe Except the Archmage was using that cave ''before''Hakon ''before'' Hakon and the Captain ever die there, and it's stated that they exist as ghosts due to UnfinishedBusiness rather than any magic inherent to the place where they died.


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* Something of a Fridge Injustice. Oberon banished his children because of their lack of humility. Yet of all the faeries in the show, he's the haughtiest of them all. This is because he felt he didn't need the lesson, and he has remained as humble as he was before the banishing. Yet Puck, the trickster, has taken the lesson to heart by staying to honor his agreement with Xanatos. Instead of praising him for learning the lesson, Oberon banishes him and strips him of his power because he stands by his agreement. The injustice of it makes you want to give Puck a hug.
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** Another reason could be, as Xanatos would probably put it, there are many paths to immortality, but good help is so hard to find.

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** Another reason could be, Or, as Xanatos would probably put it, there are many paths to immortality, but good help is so hard to find.
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** Another reason could be, as Xanatos would probably put it, there are many paths to immortality, but good help is so hard to find.
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* Would you believe that watching {{Gargoyles}} inspired [[Fridge/{{Literature}} a burst of Fridge Brilliance for me regarding Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows]]? ~ {{Lale}}

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* Would you believe that watching {{Gargoyles}} ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}'' inspired [[Fridge/{{Literature}} a burst of Fridge Brilliance for me regarding Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows]]? ~ {{Lale}}
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* In "The Gathering: Part 2" Puck mentions that he offered Xanatos the choice between any one wish or a lifetime of servitude from Owen Burnett (Puck's human alter ego). I never understood his choosing Owen, as fond as he may be of the man there's no way he would ever give up his chance an immortality like that (especially since it was one of his main motivations for much of the series) until I realized that one of his defining characteristics is that he's DangerouslyGenreSavvy, he probably knew that no matter what wish he made [[JackassGenie Puck would probably find a way to screw him over.]] This is why he chose Owen, this is what impressed Puck so much as to instill such a sense of loyalty to a measly human (that and Xanatos is never, ever boring).
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*** That depends on the exact mechanics of the spell.
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* The Magus never let Catherine know about his love for her and let her fall in love with Tom while he remained alone. He argues this is because without his magic he has nothing to offer her, but this plainly isn't true as his wisdom and friendship are indispensable to all who live on Avalon. In the same conversation he also says that what he did to the Gargoyles (turning them to stone for 1000 years) is unforgivable. That's when I realized that he viewed his pain as penance for his "crime." He's been punishing himself for a thousand years (okay, 42 by his count, but still) and feels that it ''still'' isn't enough. Someone give this poor man a hug!
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** Exceptthe Archmage was using that cave ''before''Hakon and the Captain ever die there, and it's stated that they exist as ghosts due to UnfinishedBusiness rather than any magic inherent to the place where they died.
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* I never figured out why Oberon took Goliath's suggestion about Alexander staying with his parents after Fox's magical powers manifested more seriously than any other possibility regarding the boy until I realized what when he did so Goliath ''bowed'' to him and spoke with reverence and respect, while previously everyone else simply opposed him outright. Oberon is big on humility (even though he doesn't practice what he preaches). Goliath allowed himself to be humbled before him and that's why his request was granted.

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* Actually, my moment is when I was given the first season on DVD, and it occured to me that the head Gargoyle is named GOLIATH, and his main adversary is named DAVID Xanatos. DAVID vs. GOLIATH! I made a huge headdesk at missing that one, though my friends pointed out that Xanatos was always referred to by his surname. - Mr. Nick

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** This is the reason why I don't really see Xanatos as a villain at all. While even he admits that he ''plays'' the villain every now and then when it furthers his goals he is by and large a trickster and con man. He's probably the most "realistic" villain ever put into animation because there are plenty of people like him, some of whom do run massive corporations and are just as adept as he is at playing both sides against each other for their own gain and they're not necessarily bad people, but they are very, ''very'' good businessmen.
* Actually, my moment is when I was given the first season on DVD, and it occured occurred to me that the head Gargoyle is named GOLIATH, and his main adversary is named DAVID Xanatos. DAVID vs. GOLIATH! I made a huge headdesk at missing that one, though my friends pointed out that Xanatos was always referred to by his surname. - Mr. Nick
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**That is what happened in real life [[spoiler: Macbeth's (step)son ruled as king for only a year before Duncan's son Malcolm seized the throne]].
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* Remember [[ThoseTwoGuys those two henchmen]] Macbeth has? The one we only see when he's going after Merlin's scrolls and Excalibur? There's a reason we only see them at those times - Macbeth isn't going after Demona during those episodes and after all these years he knows better than to bring ordinary humans along when he picks fights with Demona!
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*** Actually, when you consider that Gargoyles themselves don't become piles of meat after being destroyed during the day, they probably remained piles of rocks. Brings different fridge horror for the cleanup crew though...
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* If you look carefully, Puck's design subtly changes in almost every scene he's in. Sometimes its the width of his chin, sometimes its the shape of his nose, or the size and shape of his ears. Sometimes he's very lithe and slender, sometimes he's a bit bulkier. Sometimes his eyes are black, sometimes blue without pupils. Bad animation? Nope! Puck is a shapeshifter, and when his design changes, it's usually in scenes where he's agitated, emotional, excited, or just plain distracted. In short- he's not paying attention to the particulars of his shape, so they keep changing on him! [[spoiler: Owen isn't immune to this phenomenon either!]] ~SilverGryphon8

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* If you look carefully, Puck's design subtly changes in almost every scene he's in. Sometimes its the width of his chin, sometimes its the shape of his nose, or the size and shape of his ears. Sometimes he's very lithe and slender, sometimes he's a bit bulkier. Sometimes his eyes are black, sometimes blue without pupils. Bad animation? Nope! This used to bug me a lot, until I realized something. It's not just bad animation! Puck is a shapeshifter, and when his design changes, it's usually in scenes where he's agitated, emotional, excited, or just plain distracted. In short- he's not paying attention to the particulars of his shape, so they keep changing on him! [[spoiler: Owen isn't immune to this phenomenon either!]] either! But the changes in Owen's design are much more subtle and infrequent, which indicates that while Puck is in his role as Owen, he's being much, much more diligent about what he looks like, since humans don't shapeshift like faeries do.]] ~SilverGryphon8
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* If you look carefully, Puck's design subtly changes in almost every scene he's in. Sometimes its the width of his chin, sometimes its the shape of his nose, or the size and shape of his ears. Sometimes he's very lithe and slender, sometimes he's a bit bulkier. Sometimes his eyes are black, sometimes blue without pupils. Bad animation? Nope! Puck is a shapeshifter, and when his design changes, it's usually in scenes where he's agitated, emotional, excited, or just plain distracted. In short- he's not paying attention to the particulars of his shape, so they keep changing on him! ~SilverGryphon8

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* If you look carefully, Puck's design subtly changes in almost every scene he's in. Sometimes its the width of his chin, sometimes its the shape of his nose, or the size and shape of his ears. Sometimes he's very lithe and slender, sometimes he's a bit bulkier. Sometimes his eyes are black, sometimes blue without pupils. Bad animation? Nope! Puck is a shapeshifter, and when his design changes, it's usually in scenes where he's agitated, emotional, excited, or just plain distracted. In short- he's not paying attention to the particulars of his shape, so they keep changing on him! [[spoiler: Owen isn't immune to this phenomenon either!]] ~SilverGryphon8
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*If you look carefully, Puck's design subtly changes in almost every scene he's in. Sometimes its the width of his chin, sometimes its the shape of his nose, or the size and shape of his ears. Sometimes he's very lithe and slender, sometimes he's a bit bulkier. Sometimes his eyes are black, sometimes blue without pupils. Bad animation? Nope! Puck is a shapeshifter, and when his design changes, it's usually in scenes where he's agitated, emotional, excited, or just plain distracted. In short- he's not paying attention to the particulars of his shape, so they keep changing on him! ~SilverGryphon8
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* FridgeHorror: The witches saludate both MacBeth and Duncan as "kings" and "father of kings" of "Scotland". [[spoiler: We know that Duncan was king before MacBeth, And MacBeth was king before his son. But we have never seen Duncan's son as a king, meaning that he is going to be declared king after MacBeth's son. All this implies that Duncan's son won the war.]]

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* FridgeHorror: The witches saludate both MacBeth and Duncan as "kings" and "father of kings" of "Scotland". [[spoiler: We know that Duncan was king before MacBeth, And MacBeth was king before his son. But we have never seen Duncan's son as a king, meaning that he is going to be declared king after MacBeth's son. All this implies that Duncan's son won the war.]]]]
* I recently realized why the Archmage chose that particular cave as a lair. After Hakon and the Captain fall into the cave, they come back as ghosts thanks to the magical aura, and came very close to becoming alive again. Therefore, if the Archmage died in that cave, he would have come back as a ghost, and had a chance to come back to life
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*** Nope. WordOfGod is that [[BlueAndOrangeMorality only Oberon]] would consider calling the offscreen InferredHolocaust "as a midsummer night's dream," because to him all those deaths don't matter any more than a dream.
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* FridgeBrillance: In Avalon times flow diferrently. The ration is one normal day-one avalon hour (24hs:1hs). In that case, the fact that [[Spoiler:Tom is on his late-fifty]] when he appears in the present makes complete sense, because more than a thousand years have passed, meaning that at least 42 years have passed in Avalon. (1000Years:42Years)
* FridgeHorror: The witches saludate both MacBeth and Duncan as "kings" and "father of kings" of "Scotland". [[Spoiler: We know that Duncan was king before MacBeth, And MacBeth was king before his son. But we have never seen Duncan's son as a king, meaning that he is going to be declared king after MacBeth's son. All this implies that Duncan's son won the war.]]

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* FridgeBrillance: In Avalon times flow diferrently. The ration is one normal day-one avalon hour (24hs:1hs). In that case, the fact that [[Spoiler:Tom [[spoiler:Tom is on his late-fifty]] when he appears in the present makes complete sense, because more than a thousand years have passed, meaning that at least 42 years have passed in Avalon. (1000Years:42Years)
* FridgeHorror: The witches saludate both MacBeth and Duncan as "kings" and "father of kings" of "Scotland". [[Spoiler: [[spoiler: We know that Duncan was king before MacBeth, And MacBeth was king before his son. But we have never seen Duncan's son as a king, meaning that he is going to be declared king after MacBeth's son. All this implies that Duncan's son won the war.]]
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* FridgeHorror: Demona has spent a thousand years plotting and scheming. All the people she cares about have died because of her, or she has alienated them. City of Stone's conclusion implies that she knows this on some level, and her hatred of humanity is so great because of her displaced and immeasurable self-loathing. After that four-parter, she only willingly works with someone else again once: Thailog, who presumably played on her feelings for Goliath before cloning her and mixing Elisa's DNA just to TwistTheKnife. After these episodes, and Puck's spell turning her human, she's utterly alone and miserable, spending half her time as a hated human, and no longer able to entirely pretend humans are at fault for what's happened in her life. She has to endure all of that... but she can't bring herself to suicide. Even the unpublished spinoffs imply that she'll still be like this even in Brooklyn's clan, and will remain a tortured and self-hating immortal forever.

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* FridgeHorror: Demona has spent a thousand years plotting and scheming. All the people she cares about have died because of her, or she has alienated them. City of Stone's conclusion implies that she knows this on some level, and her hatred of humanity is so great because of her displaced and immeasurable self-loathing. After that four-parter, she only willingly works with someone else again once: Thailog, who presumably played on her feelings for Goliath before cloning her and mixing Elisa's DNA just to TwistTheKnife. After these episodes, and Puck's spell turning her human, she's utterly alone and miserable, spending half her time as a hated human, and no longer able to entirely pretend humans are at fault for what's happened in her life. She has to endure all of that... but she can't bring herself to suicide. Even the unpublished spinoffs imply that she'll still be like this even in Brooklyn's clan, and will remain a tortured and self-hating immortal forever.forever.
* FridgeBrillance: In Avalon times flow diferrently. The ration is one normal day-one avalon hour (24hs:1hs). In that case, the fact that [[Spoiler:Tom is on his late-fifty]] when he appears in the present makes complete sense, because more than a thousand years have passed, meaning that at least 42 years have passed in Avalon. (1000Years:42Years)
* FridgeHorror: The witches saludate both MacBeth and Duncan as "kings" and "father of kings" of "Scotland". [[Spoiler: We know that Duncan was king before MacBeth, And MacBeth was king before his son. But we have never seen Duncan's son as a king, meaning that he is going to be declared king after MacBeth's son. All this implies that Duncan's son won the war.]]
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*** This may be clutching at straws, [[spoiler: but Oberon reversed everything at the end, saying that it would be 'as a Midsummer Night's Dream...' It's possible that Oberon is powerful enough to undo anything he's done if he felt like it, including deaths.]]
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** No, I wouldn't. Not unless you tell us what it was.
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** Except that Thailog ''was'' able to use the money, since he invested it into Nightstone Unlimited, and Xanatos ''was'' worried about what he'd be capable of. Seems more likely that Xanatos is just so rich that the actual loss of the cash didn't hurt him- MasterGhandalf.

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** Except that Thailog ''was'' able to use the money, since he invested it into Nightstone Unlimited, and Xanatos ''was'' worried about what he'd be capable of. Seems more likely that Xanatos is just so rich that the actual loss of the cash didn't hurt him- MasterGhandalf.MasterGhandalf.
* FridgeHorror: Demona has spent a thousand years plotting and scheming. All the people she cares about have died because of her, or she has alienated them. City of Stone's conclusion implies that she knows this on some level, and her hatred of humanity is so great because of her displaced and immeasurable self-loathing. After that four-parter, she only willingly works with someone else again once: Thailog, who presumably played on her feelings for Goliath before cloning her and mixing Elisa's DNA just to TwistTheKnife. After these episodes, and Puck's spell turning her human, she's utterly alone and miserable, spending half her time as a hated human, and no longer able to entirely pretend humans are at fault for what's happened in her life. She has to endure all of that... but she can't bring herself to suicide. Even the unpublished spinoffs imply that she'll still be like this even in Brooklyn's clan, and will remain a tortured and self-hating immortal forever.
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**Even worse when it's revealed that the humans turn back to flesh in the morning. Considering how much rubble there was in the streets and the fact that one woman had her arms shot off, New York was certainly in for a grisly sight that morning
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* Thailog isn't going to be able to spend that money he stole from Xanatos, since the bank doesn't ''circulate'' the Ten thousand dollar bills. He'd have the police on him in a heartbeat. That's why Xanatos wasn't all that upset to lose the money. --ncfan

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* Thailog isn't going to be able to spend that money he stole from Xanatos, since the bank doesn't ''circulate'' the Ten thousand dollar bills. He'd have the police on him in a heartbeat. That's why Xanatos wasn't all that upset to lose the money. --ncfan--ncfan
** Except that Thailog ''was'' able to use the money, since he invested it into Nightstone Unlimited, and Xanatos ''was'' worried about what he'd be capable of. Seems more likely that Xanatos is just so rich that the actual loss of the cash didn't hurt him- MasterGhandalf.
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* I just realized the fact that Brooklyn's EvilClone is named Hollywood has two layers. First of all, Broadway is in New York, and Hollywood is in L.A. However, both are entertainment capitals of the world: Broadway of theater, and Hollywood of film. It's a perfect contrast --DynamicDragon

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* I just realized the fact that Brooklyn's Broadway's EvilClone is named Hollywood has two layers. First of all, Broadway is in New York, and Hollywood is in L.A. However, both are entertainment capitals of the world: Broadway of theater, and Hollywood of film. It's a perfect contrast --DynamicDragon
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** Thousands of people ''should have'' died in "The Gathering", when Oberon puts the entire city to sleep - including everyone who was driving, flying planes, performing surgery...

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** Thousands of people ''should have'' died in "The Gathering", when Oberon puts the entire city to sleep - including everyone who was driving, flying planes, performing surgery...surgery...
* I was making chocolate milk when it suddenly struck me what makes David Xanatos the greatest villain. It's not that he's an EvilGenius who can [[XanatosGambit trick the heroes into doing his plans for him]], it's not that he has the capacity to feel love and other human emotions, it's not his DissonantSerenity and simple amorality as opposed to being a one-dimensional CardCarryingVillain or CompleteMonster. It's the complete lack of a FreudianExcuse! They don't try to humanize him or make us sympathize with him because of some painful past or bad childhood. He's the type of person he is and does what he does entirely because he wants to be. ''And we're still drawn to him!'' That more than anything confirms for me that this guy really is [[XanatosRoulette in total control]]. ~ {{Lale}}
** Concurred, though for an additional reason. Unlike the vast majority of villains, he fully embodies the {{Aesop}} of, as he puts it, "Revenge Is A Suckers Game," and refuses to indulge in any sort of scheme that makes things personal... he refuses to let his antagonists define his goals! The real FridgeBrilliance moment comes when you realize that the thirst for vengeance is a handicap for nearly every other character (even occasionally, the heroes!) of the show, and his lack thereof is a main reason Xanatos is consistently stays one step ahead. - {{Rothul}}
*** What I realized about Xanatos that made me appreciate him even more was that he is the ultimate human trickster. He's such a successful trickster that he managed to hold his own against a real Trickster, Coyote. He even had the ultimate Trickster, Puck, working for him! Also, not counting Xanatos, the show featured no less than four Trickster gods; Puck, Coyote, Raven and Anansi. The trickster myths are among my favorites, and if ABC hadn't [[ExecutiveMeddling changed the format]], it would have been really cool to see them going at it.
*** And speaking of Coyotes, the fact that Xanatos named his robot double Coyote was a bit of a clue as well. Although given the robot's lack of success, I always suspected that the show's producers were homaging a different Coyote entirely. Namely [[LooneyTunes Wile E. Coyote]].
* Actually, my moment is when I was given the first season on DVD, and it occured to me that the head Gargoyle is named GOLIATH, and his main adversary is named DAVID Xanatos. DAVID vs. GOLIATH! I made a huge headdesk at missing that one, though my friends pointed out that Xanatos was always referred to by his surname. - Mr. Nick
** '''[[BoldInflation How come I never noticed that?!]]''' --{{Karalora}}
* Would you believe that watching {{Gargoyles}} inspired [[Fridge/{{Literature}} a burst of Fridge Brilliance for me regarding Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows]]? ~ {{Lale}}
* I just realized the fact that Brooklyn's EvilClone is named Hollywood has two layers. First of all, Broadway is in New York, and Hollywood is in L.A. However, both are entertainment capitals of the world: Broadway of theater, and Hollywood of film. It's a perfect contrast --DynamicDragon
* After Maggie is turned into a mutate, she said that she's from Ohio. At first, I thought this was pointless. Then I realized that most astronauts and pioneers of aerospace are from Ohio. Maggie has the ability to fly unaided by machines-- one of the first humans to be able to do so
* While the [[EvilSorcerer Archmage]] uses the phoenix gate to create a paradoxal time loop to save himself from his fall in the chasm and give himself the tome, amulet and phoenix gate that will empower him to save himself (and loop the loop), there is a much larger loop in play here. The phoenix gate exists because ''nobody ever created it''. It came into existance because in the future, Puck tries to trick Goliath into giving it to him, and he instead gets rid of it by ''hurling it into the far past'' where it is first discovered.
* This troper found it brilliant that Macbeth's backstory, which is quite distant from [[{{Shakespeare}} Shakespeare's]] play, is in fact extremely close to the story of the real, historical Macbeth! Duncan ''was'' a young, incompetent conquerer, and Macbeth ''was'' celebrated as a hero for killing him!
* Thailog isn't going to be able to spend that money he stole from Xanatos, since the bank doesn't ''circulate'' the Ten thousand dollar bills. He'd have the police on him in a heartbeat. That's why Xanatos wasn't all that upset to lose the money. --ncfan

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