History Fridge / Gargoyles

22nd Oct '17 1:54:26 AM StClair
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** Thousands of people ''should have'' died in "The Gathering", when Oberon puts the entire city to sleep - including everyone who was driving, flying planes, performing surgery...

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*** Even worse FridgeHorror: Imagine if you were one of the people who didn't see the enchanted broadcasts, so remained flesh when the sun went down. Now, imagine if you're riding in a car at the time, whose ''driver'' did '''not''' miss it. Better hope they aren't accelerating or making a turn when it happens, because you might just have to break their limbs to bits to avoid crashing...
*** Even Greg Weisman realized the Fridge Horror and wrote a spooky second person POV story about someone who entered New York City Limits just after the spell was cast. Read it [[http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/faq.php?s=faq16 here]]. Scroll down to question 14.
*** Actually it seems likely that the people Demona smashed were resurrected when the spell was broken. This is illustrated as Margot Yale and her husband (the couple who consistently have run-ins with the gargoyles) were among the "statues" smashed by Demona except they reappear two episodes later in High Noon.
*** On the same note, imagine being a mother giving birth when the sun sets. CREEPY.
** On the same page as the spooky story above are questions about the time Goliath was under a slave spell. Except it's not WAS. He's ''still' under it, just forced to act like he's free. This could be very AndIMustScream if it means what I think it means.
*** That is not how I interpreted that scene. It is more of a FridgeBrilliance moment, than anything. By being told "to act as if you are not under a spell", it triggered a paradox that caused the spell to cancel itself out. How can a spell that allows you to command someone to do anything maintain its existence if the person who is under it is order "to act as if you are not under a spell"? That specific order for the 'slave spell' essentially a LogicBomb.
*** I've always thought that particular order may have unintended consequences. Goliath is order to acts as if he was not under *A* spell. Not "The" spell, but "A" spell. I think this order may have inadvertently made him immune to all forms of magical mind control.
** Thousands of people ''should have'' died in "The Gathering", when Oberon puts the entire city to sleep - including everyone who was driving, flying planes, performing surgery... Imagine ''{{Flash Forward|2009}}'' in a lesser scale.



*** Nope. WordOfGod is that [[BlueAndOrangeMorality only Oberon]] would consider calling the offscreen InferredHolocaust "as a midsummer night's dream," because to him all those deaths don't matter any more than a dream.
** Even worse FridgeHorror: Imagine if you were one of the people who didn't see the enchanted broadcasts, so remained flesh when the sun went down. Now, imagine if you're riding in a car at the time, whose ''driver'' did '''not''' miss it. Better hope they aren't accelerating or making a turn when it happens, because you might just have to break their limbs to bits to avoid crashing...
* The episode "City of Stone" from ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}''. People all over New York [[TakenForGranite were turned to stone]] by Demona and she gleefully went through town [[LiterallyShatteredLives smashing statues left and right.]] In one case, she only smashed the woman's arms. Even Greg Weisman realized the Fridge Horror and wrote a spooky second person POV story about someone who entered New York City Limits just after the spell was cast. Read it [[http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/faq.php?s=faq16 here]]. Scroll down to question 14.
* Actually it seems likely that the people she smashed were resurrected when the spell was broken. This is illustrated as Margot Yale and her husband (the couple who consistently have run-ins with the gargoyles) were among the "statues" smashed by Demona except they reappear two episodes later in High Noon.
** On the same page are questions about when Goliath was under a slave spell. Except it's not WAS. He's ''still' under it, just forced to act like he's free. This could be very AndIMustScream if it means what I think it means.
*** That is not how I interpreted that scene. It is more of a FridgeBrilliance moment, than anything. By being told "to act as if you are not under a spell", it triggered a paradox that caused the spell to cancel itself out. How can a spell that allows you to command someone to do anything maintain its existence if the person who is under it is order "to act as if you are not under a spell"? That specific order for the 'slave spell' essentially a LogicBomb.
*** I've always thought that particular order may have unintended consequences. Goliath is order to acts as if he was not under *A* spell. Not "The" spell, but "A" spell. I think this order may have inadvertently made him immune to all forms of magical mind control.
** On the same note, imagine being a mother giving birth when the sun sets. CREEPY.
** And in another Gargoyles episode, Oberon commands all of NYC to "SLEEP!" See the above entries for ''Ocean's Eleven'' et al, or imagine the carnage yourself.
** Imagine ''{{Flash Forward|2009}}'' in a lesser scale.
** Nothing compared to the Episode in Egypt. Jackal unleashes Anubis power to kill all life in a certain radius encompassing at least one town. He is defeated afterwards - but remember, Anubis refuses to bring back the dead on principle!

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*** **** Nope. WordOfGod is that [[BlueAndOrangeMorality only Oberon]] would consider calling the offscreen InferredHolocaust "as a midsummer night's dream," because to him all those deaths don't matter any more than a dream.
** Even worse FridgeHorror: Imagine if you were one of the people who didn't see the enchanted broadcasts, so remained flesh when the sun went down. Now, imagine if you're riding in a car at the time, whose ''driver'' did '''not''' miss it. Better hope they aren't accelerating or making a turn when it happens, because you might just have to break their limbs to bits to avoid crashing...
* The episode "City of Stone" from ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}''. People all over New York [[TakenForGranite were turned to stone]] by Demona and she gleefully went through town [[LiterallyShatteredLives smashing statues left and right.]] In one case, she only smashed the woman's arms. Even Greg Weisman realized the Fridge Horror and wrote a spooky second person POV story about someone who entered New York City Limits just after the spell was cast. Read it [[http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/faq.php?s=faq16 here]]. Scroll down to question 14.
* Actually it seems likely that the people she smashed were resurrected when the spell was broken. This is illustrated as Margot Yale and her husband (the couple who consistently have run-ins with the gargoyles) were among the "statues" smashed by Demona except they reappear two episodes later in High Noon.
** On the same page are questions about when Goliath was under a slave spell. Except it's not WAS. He's ''still' under it, just forced to act like he's free. This could be very AndIMustScream if it means what I think it means.
*** That is not how I interpreted that scene. It is more of a FridgeBrilliance moment, than anything. By being told "to act as if you are not under a spell", it triggered a paradox that caused the spell to cancel itself out. How can a spell that allows you to command someone to do anything maintain its existence if the person who is under it is order "to act as if you are not under a spell"? That specific order for the 'slave spell' essentially a LogicBomb.
*** I've always thought that particular order may have unintended consequences. Goliath is order to acts as if he was not under *A* spell. Not "The" spell, but "A" spell. I think this order may have inadvertently made him immune to all forms of magical mind control.
** On the same note, imagine being a mother giving birth when the sun sets. CREEPY.
** And in another Gargoyles episode, Oberon commands all of NYC to "SLEEP!" See the above entries for ''Ocean's Eleven'' et al, or imagine the carnage yourself.
** Imagine ''{{Flash Forward|2009}}'' in a lesser scale.
** Nothing compared to the Episode in Egypt. Jackal unleashes Anubis Anubis' power to kill all life in a certain radius encompassing at least one town. He is defeated afterwards - but remember, Anubis refuses to bring back the dead on principle!



* Imagine if Goliath accepted Renard's offer to return to Manhattan and put an end to the Avalon world tour. With no one to stop him, [[OmnicidalManiac Jackal would have killed everyone on the planet with Anubis' powers]] [[ForTheEvulz just 'cause he could]]. And if by some miracle that wouldn't happened, the Matrix would have covered the entire planet with [[GreyGoo nanobots]]. In Avalon, Oberon would have killed Katherine, Tom and all the Gargoyles.
** The incident with Matrix is at least implied to have been anouther of Anastasia's attempts to push Fox into displaying her magical abilities (given she's actually Titania she likely could have solved the Matrix problem with a snap of her fingers if things had really got out of hand). The other incidents however...
* Maria Chavez mentioned that Jason, Robyn and Jon have been leaving a trail of violence wherever they go... meaning that they might have successfully tracked some Gargoyles and maybe even slay them.
* Some humans may have also been killed for being in their way or [[GuiltByAssociation for befriending gargoyles]].

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* Imagine if Goliath accepted Renard's offer to return to Manhattan and put an end to the Avalon world tour. With no one to stop him, [[OmnicidalManiac Jackal would have killed everyone on the planet with Anubis' powers]] [[ForTheEvulz just 'cause he could]]. And if by some miracle that wouldn't happened, didn't happen, the Matrix would have covered the entire planet with [[GreyGoo nanobots]]. In Avalon, Oberon would have killed Katherine, Tom and all the Gargoyles.
** The incident with Matrix is at least implied to have been anouther another of Anastasia's attempts to push Fox into displaying her magical abilities (given she's actually Titania Titania, she likely could have solved the Matrix problem with a snap of her fingers if things had really got out of hand). The other incidents however...
* Maria Chavez mentioned that Jason, Robyn and Jon have been leaving a trail of violence wherever they go... meaning that they might have successfully tracked some Gargoyles and maybe even slay killed them.
* ** Some humans may have also been killed for being in their way or [[GuiltByAssociation for befriending gargoyles]].
2nd Oct '17 7:02:20 AM LadyStormcrow
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* The Wyvern massacre was already horrific, but it gets even worse after you read Greg Weisman's WordOfGod about gargoyle breeding cycles, and realize that the clan would have included a bunch of gargoyle children equivalent to 9-year-old human kids.
12th Aug '17 10:01:42 PM EchoWing
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** WordOfGod has addressed some gargoyle mating habits and suggested that when they choose a mate, they tend to be exclusive to just one (with Goliath's situation with Elisa being the exception rather than the rule). It hasn't ruled out intervention of some sort should Goliath and Elisa seek to have their own family, but odds are they can always adopt.
31st Jul '17 8:03:58 PM DisillusionedJill
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*Actually it seems likely that the people she smashed were resurrected when the spell was broken. This is illustrated as Margot Yale and her husband (the couple who consistently have run-ins with the gargoyles) were among the "statues" smashed by Demona except they reappear two episodes later in High Noon.



** This tropette is more concerned about City of Stone. Fox may have turned, but how could little Alex if he didn't actually see the broadcast himself? At least a werefox's body could supply some nutrients to the developing fetus, but I can't help but wonder if his latent magical abilities were the only thing that kept Alexander alive.

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** This tropette is more concerned about City of Stone. Fox may have turned, but how could little Alex if he didn't actually see the broadcast himself? At least a werefox's body could supply some nutrients to the developing fetus, but I can't help but wonder if his latent magical abilities were the only thing that kept Alexander alive.'
31st Jul '17 5:53:16 PM dbdude01
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** In fact, Tom was probably older than that. He clearly did not learn the fighting skills he used against the muggers from Katharine and the Magus. He said he left Avalon once every century to see if Goliath and his clan had awoken. Each time probably involved a world tour during which he aged in regular time, not Avalon slow-time.


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** Another way to look at it is that the Magus was driven to commit his crime by his love for the Princess. He thought that the gargoyles, by trying to rescue the hostages, drove Hakon to kill her instead of ransom her. He cursed them in revenge, obligating him to care for their children. The fact that watching over them necessarily meant a life of longing for the Princess was fitting punishment and poetic justice.
* The final scene in "The Mirror" was basically a metaphor for Demona's entire life. She says she hates humans because they're bigoted and treacherous, yet those are her defining qualities, a fact she utterly refuses to acknowledge and her denial regularly drives her to screw herself over. In the final scene she turns into a human (the physical embodiment of everything she hates), when she sees herself in the mirror she is so horrified by what she sees that she smashes the mirror, screwing herself over (this particular mirror happened to be a magical item which could have been useful).
29th Jul '17 5:12:06 PM nombretomado
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* FridgeHorror [[XMeetsY meets]] NightmareFuel: Demona's actions in "City of Stone". Those people DIED. ONSCREEN. ON A KIDS' SHOW.

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* FridgeHorror [[XMeetsY [[JustForFun/XMeetsY meets]] NightmareFuel: Demona's actions in "City of Stone". Those people DIED. ONSCREEN. ON A KIDS' SHOW.
27th Jul '17 8:56:39 PM TitoMosquito
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* Some humans may have also been killed for being in their way or [[GuiltByAssociation for befriending gargoyles]].
27th Apr '17 11:56:02 PM LOAD
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* According to Greg Weisman, Gargoyles didn't evolve from mammals or reptiles....but rather from something else. Which isn't horrifying itself, unless you think about how different species looked back then. Look at the evolution of certain creatures and look at how they are now, there are similarities but also some vast differences mostly in size and looks. Modern day humans are different than Neanderthals or other type of early man. Now look at modern gargoyles, they have horns, wings, tails, stand with their legs at strange angles, have claws, fangs etc. So, what did the earliest form of gargoyle look like?

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* According to Greg Weisman, Gargoyles didn't evolve from mammals or reptiles....but rather from something else. Which isn't horrifying itself, unless you think about how different species looked back then. Look at the evolution of certain creatures and look at how they are now, there are similarities but also some vast differences mostly in size and looks. Modern day humans are different than Neanderthals or other type of early man. Now look at modern gargoyles, they have horns, wings, tails, stand with their legs at strange angles, have claws, fangs etc. So, what did the earliest form of gargoyle look like?
27th Apr '17 10:01:01 PM yocelin
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* According to Greg Weisman, Gargoyles didn't evolve from mammals or reptiles....but rather from something else. Which isn't horrifying itself, unless you think about how different species looked back then. Look at the evolution of certain creatures and look at how they are now, there are similarities but also some vast differences mostly in size and looks. Modern day humans are different than Neanderthals or other type of early man. Now look at modern gargoyles, they have horns, wings, tails, stand with their legs at strange angles, have claws, fangs etc. So, what did the earliest form of gargoyle look like?
21st Apr '17 5:36:15 AM RedRoverRedRover
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* Thailog is Goliath spelled backwards (If you count 'Th' as one letter using something like þ (thorn) to represent it as would've been done in Old or Middle English, if not it's just an anagram)
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