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21st Jul '16 3:26:04 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* In "The Gathering: Part 2" Puck mentions that he offered Xanatos the choice between any one wish or a lifetime of servitude from Owen Burnett [[spoiler: (Puck's human alter ego)]]. I never understood his choosing Owen, as fond as he may be of the man there's no way he would ever give up his chance an immortality like that (especially since it was one of his main motivations for much of the series) until I realized that one of his defining characteristics is that he's DangerouslyGenreSavvy, he probably knew that no matter what wish he made [[JackassGenie Puck would probably find a way to screw him over.]] This is why he chose Owen, this is what impressed Puck so much as to instill such a sense of loyalty to a measly human (that and Xanatos is never, ever boring).

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* In "The Gathering: Part 2" Puck mentions that he offered Xanatos the choice between any one wish or a lifetime of servitude from Owen Burnett [[spoiler: (Puck's human alter ego)]]. I never understood his choosing Owen, as fond as he may be of the man there's no way he would ever give up his chance an immortality like that (especially since it was one of his main motivations for much of the series) until I realized that one of his defining characteristics is that he's DangerouslyGenreSavvy, savvy, he probably knew that no matter what wish he made [[JackassGenie Puck would probably find a way to screw him over.]] This is why he chose Owen, this is what impressed Puck so much as to instill such a sense of loyalty to a measly human (that and Xanatos is never, ever boring).
28th Jun '16 3:20:28 PM Nevermore2002
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* Maria Chavez mentioned that Jason, Robyn and Jon have been leaving a trail of violence wherever they go... meaning that they might have successfully tracked some Gargoyles and maybe even slay them.
5th Apr '16 1:20:57 AM RegShoe
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* Once you know Owen's secret what he says and the way he says it in a lot of previous episodes takes an amusing new light. For instance when he tells Goliath "You should know I can't tell you." (because he doesn't know, they just think he does) when asked where Hudson and Broadway are in A Lighthouse in the Sea of Time it goes from being an ObstructiveBureaucrat to [[spoiler:a full blown Troll channeling his inner Puck.]] Owen's modus operandi and dialogue is littered with things that take on a new light once you know the full story.
12th Jan '16 8:42:29 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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* Vinnie's revenge on the face of it is kinda lame: A pie in the face equals the loss of two jobs and a drivers' liscense? But think: A) actually killing Goliath would have been [[DisproportionateRetribution cartoonish supervillainy levels of overkill]], and B) if you can hit someone with a pie, you can hit them with a bullet. Vinnie's revenge was Goliath knowing that if it had been real, he'd be dead.

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* Vinnie's revenge on the face of it is kinda lame: A pie in the face equals the loss of two jobs and a drivers' liscense? But think: A) actually killing Goliath would have been [[DisproportionateRetribution cartoonish supervillainy levels of overkill]], and B) if you can hit someone with a pie, you can hit them with a bullet. Vinnie's revenge was [[IfIWantedYouDead Goliath knowing that if it had been real, he'd be dead.dead]].


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27th Nov '15 6:59:20 AM Nakuyabi
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* Spending ten-thousand-dollar bills is rather tricky, since banks don't circulate them and very few people would have sufficient funds to make change for them; hence Xanatos' decision to bring the payment with him in the form of those bills. Considering that being a gargoyle on top of that would make depositing the money in a bank account (already likely to raise some eyebrows due to the bills' denomination) exceedingly difficult, Thailog must have had some human help with laundering the money after he made off with it. The most likely suspect? His partner-in-crime Demona, who'd already worked out some means of paying off her human {{Mooks}} sight-unseen in "The Mirror" and now has the convenience of being turned into a human during the day. Since Thailog invested the money in his Nightstone Unlimited joint venture with her, she was likely able to get the money deposited in her company's corporate account with a lot fewer questions asked than anyone else would have gotten while trying to open a personal account.

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* Spending ten-thousand-dollar bills is rather tricky, since banks don't circulate them and very few people would have sufficient funds to make change for them; hence Xanatos' decision to bring the $20 million payment to Thailog with him in the form of those bills. Considering that being a gargoyle on top of that would make depositing the money in a bank account (already likely to raise some eyebrows due to the bills' denomination) exceedingly difficult, Thailog must have had some human help with laundering the money after he made off with it. The most likely suspect? His partner-in-crime Demona, who'd already worked out some means of paying off her human {{Mooks}} sight-unseen in "The Mirror" and now has the convenience of being turned into a human during the day. Since Thailog invested the money in his Nightstone Unlimited joint venture with her, she was likely able to get the money deposited in her company's corporate account with a lot fewer questions asked than anyone else would have gotten while trying to open a personal account.account.
* While the missing particle-beam guns being out on the streets at the end of "Deadly Force" does indeed explain why all the street thugs and {{Mooks}} seen later in the series are packing FamilyFriendlyFirearms, this explanation does require certain other events to have taken place off-screen. Specifically, only a few dozen of these energy weapons were in circulation, yet ''everybody'' (in a city populated by upwards of six million people) seems to be packing them later on, which means someone must have copied and mass-produced them. That someone was likely Xanatos himself; after all, he dispatched Owen to buy back the stolen firearms in the first place, and they ''were'' all intended to be prototypes for his company's new line of weapons.\\
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Presumably, after the initial shipment was destroyed, Owen found some of the other buyers and bought their weapons off of them at a premium. With the rest of the stray guns providing a kind of free advertising, the new particle-beam weapons sold very well first to wealthier buyers as status symbols, and then as practical tools to the masses. Even Elisa Maza probably owns one by now! Yet another XanatosGambit pays off...



* In Avalon times flow differently. The ration is one normal day-one avalon hour (24hs:1hs). In that case, the fact that [[spoiler:Tom is on his late-fifty]] when he appears in the present makes complete sense, because more than a thousand years have passed, meaning that at least 42 years have passed in Avalon. (1000Years:42Years)

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* In Avalon times flow differently. The ration is one normal day-one avalon Avalon hour (24hs:1hs). In that case, the fact that [[spoiler:Tom is on his late-fifty]] when he appears in the present makes complete sense, because more than a thousand years have passed, meaning that at least 42 years have passed in Avalon. (1000Years:42Years)
27th Nov '15 6:40:05 AM Nakuyabi
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* Thailog isn't going to be able to spend that money he stole from Xanatos, since the bank doesn't ''circulate'' ten thousand dollar bills. He'd have the police on him in a heartbeat. That's why Xanatos wasn't all that upset to lose the money. --ncfan
** I will disagree. I think he brought that money so he won't risk it going into the mad scientist's hands. HE didn't even know ten thousand dollar bills existed, so there was no risk the guy would get away with money even if he tried. Xanatos was expecting Thailog, who Xanatos taught everything he knew. A genisist who doesn't know a thing about economics may be safe to give unusable ten thousand dollar bills, but Thailog could of (and did) find a way to get a fortune off the money.
** Except that Thailog ''was'' able to use the money, since he invested it into Nightstone Unlimited, and Xanatos ''was'' worried about what he'd be capable of. Seems more likely that Xanatos is just so rich that the actual loss of the cash didn't hurt him- MasterGhandalf.

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* Spending ten-thousand-dollar bills is rather tricky, since banks don't circulate them and very few people would have sufficient funds to make change for them; hence Xanatos' decision to bring the payment with him in the form of those bills. Considering that being a gargoyle on top of that would make depositing the money in a bank account (already likely to raise some eyebrows due to the bills' denomination) exceedingly difficult, Thailog isn't going to be able to spend that must have had some human help with laundering the money after he stole from Xanatos, since made off with it. The most likely suspect? His partner-in-crime Demona, who'd already worked out some means of paying off her human {{Mooks}} sight-unseen in "The Mirror" and now has the bank doesn't ''circulate'' ten thousand dollar bills. He'd have the police on him in a heartbeat. That's why Xanatos wasn't all that upset to lose the money. --ncfan
** I will disagree. I think he brought that money so he won't risk it going
convenience of being turned into a human during the mad scientist's hands. HE didn't even know ten thousand dollar bills existed, so there was no risk the guy would get away with money even if he tried. Xanatos was expecting Thailog, who Xanatos taught everything he knew. A genisist who doesn't know a thing about economics may be safe to give unusable ten thousand dollar bills, but day. Since Thailog could of (and did) find a way to get a fortune off the money.
** Except that Thailog ''was'' able to use the money, since he
invested it into the money in his Nightstone Unlimited, and Xanatos ''was'' worried about what he'd be capable of. Seems more Unlimited joint venture with her, she was likely that Xanatos is just so rich that able to get the actual loss of the cash didn't hurt him- MasterGhandalf.money deposited in her company's corporate account with a lot fewer questions asked than anyone else would have gotten while trying to open a personal account.
21st Nov '15 6:04:45 PM Nakuyabi
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* Vinnie's revenge on the face of it is kinda lame: A pie in the face equals the loss of two jobs and a drivers' liscense? But think: A) actually killing Goliath would have been [[DisproportionateRetrobution cartoonish supervillainy levels of overkill]], and B) if you can hit someone with a pie, you can hit them with a bullet. Vinnie's revenge was Goliath knowing that if it had been real, he'd be dead.

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* Vinnie's revenge on the face of it is kinda lame: A pie in the face equals the loss of two jobs and a drivers' liscense? But think: A) actually killing Goliath would have been [[DisproportionateRetrobution [[DisproportionateRetribution cartoonish supervillainy levels of overkill]], and B) if you can hit someone with a pie, you can hit them with a bullet. Vinnie's revenge was Goliath knowing that if it had been real, he'd be dead.



* Biologically speaking, the gargoyles are mammalian, and yet we see they reproduce by laying eggs. This means they're part of that odd class of mammals (which includes the duck-billed platypus) known as monotremes. This in part explains their somewhat odd views on family (Goliath's insisting to Angela that she think of herself as the whole clan's daughter, not just his and Demona's) and also suggests their typical sexuality might be... a bit different from humanity's. Note that while Demona hates Elisa, it's only because she hates ''all'' humans, and Elisa is one; also, while she regularly castigates Goliath for "betraying" the gargoyles (by befriending humans), she never specifically takes him to task for being ''[[YourCheatingHeart unfaithful]]'' to her with Elisa, probably because she ''doesn't see it that way''.\\

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* Biologically speaking, the gargoyles are mammalian, and yet we see they reproduce by laying eggs. This means they're part of that odd class of mammals (which includes the duck-billed platypus) known as monotremes. This in part explains their somewhat odd views on family (Goliath's insisting to Angela that she think of herself as the whole clan's daughter, not just his and Demona's) and also suggests their typical sexuality might be... a bit different from humanity's. Note that while Demona hates Elisa, it's only because [[FantasticRacism she hates hates]] ''all'' humans, and Elisa is one; also, while she regularly castigates Goliath for "betraying" the gargoyles (by befriending humans), she never specifically takes him to task for being ''[[YourCheatingHeart unfaithful]]'' to her with Elisa, probably because she ''doesn't see it that way''.\\



** On the same page are questions about when Goliath was under a slave spell. Except it's not WAS. He's ''still' under it, just forced to act like it. This could be very AndIMustScream if it means what I think it means.

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** On the same page are questions about when Goliath was under a slave spell. Except it's not WAS. He's ''still' under it, just forced to act like it.he's free. This could be very AndIMustScream if it means what I think it means.



* ''Eye of the Beholder'': [[{{WordOfGod}} Word of God's]] timeline confirms that Fox was pregnant when she turned into that wolf-creature. Imagine what that may have done to her kid...

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* ''Eye "Eye of the Beholder'': Beholder": [[{{WordOfGod}} Word of God's]] timeline confirms that Fox was pregnant when she turned into that wolf-creature. Imagine what that may have done to her kid...


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* Really, any episode that affects the whole city (or at least all of Manhattan) leaves you to wonder what kinds of panic and mayhem might have been taking place on the outskirts of town. With Puck's meddling in "The Mirror" turning everyone in town into gargoyles, for instance, there must have been a lot of violent encounters on the outskirts of the city between the unaffected humans just entering and the humans-turned-gargoyles who believed (while under the spell's influence) that they'd always been gargoyles, and that ordinary humans were some kind of alien species. A lot of the unaffected humans would be convinced that they'd stumbled into an enclave of terrifying monsters, while the humans-turned-gargoyles would be convinced that terrifying alien creatures were invading their city; this would not end well for either species.
21st Nov '15 5:45:45 PM Nakuyabi
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* Biologically speaking, the gargoyles are mammalian, and yet we see they reproduce by laying eggs. This means they're part of that odd class of mammals (which includes the duck-billed platypus) known as monotremes. This in part explains their somewhat odd views on family (Goliath's insisting to Angela that she think of herself as the whole clan's daughter, not just his and Demona's) and also suggests their typical sexuality might be... a bit different from humanity's. Note that while Demona hates Elisa, it's only because she hates ''all'' humans, and Elisa is one; also, while she regularly castigates Goliath for "betraying" the gargoyles (by befriending humans), she never specifically takes him to task for being ''[[YourCheatingHeart unfaithful]]'' to her with Elisa, probably because she ''doesn't see it that way''.

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* Biologically speaking, the gargoyles are mammalian, and yet we see they reproduce by laying eggs. This means they're part of that odd class of mammals (which includes the duck-billed platypus) known as monotremes. This in part explains their somewhat odd views on family (Goliath's insisting to Angela that she think of herself as the whole clan's daughter, not just his and Demona's) and also suggests their typical sexuality might be... a bit different from humanity's. Note that while Demona hates Elisa, it's only because she hates ''all'' humans, and Elisa is one; also, while she regularly castigates Goliath for "betraying" the gargoyles (by befriending humans), she never specifically takes him to task for being ''[[YourCheatingHeart unfaithful]]'' to her with Elisa, probably because she ''doesn't see it that way''.
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Moreover, this leaves us with some questions of what might become of the potential [[InterspeciesRomance romance between Goliath and Elisa]] if the author pursues it further. Monotreme reproductive organs are more like avian ones, which would give the gargoyles their own unique version of the MermaidProblem when pursuing a romantic relationship with humans. Goliath surely knows how to show a lady a good time, but if he were ever to get hitched with Elisa, he'd either have to enlist the help of one of [[TheFairFolk Oberon's children]] to change one of them into the other's species, or else he'd have to get rather... [[HotSkittyOnWailordAction inventive on the wedding night]].
21st Nov '15 5:03:49 PM Nakuyabi
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** I will disagree. I think he brought that money so he won't risk it going into the mad scientist's hands. HE didn't even know ten thousand dollar bills existed, so their was no risk the guy would get away with money even if he tried. Xanatos was expecting Thailog, who Xanatos taught everything he knew. A genisist who doesn't know a thing about economics may be safe to give unusable ten thousand dollar bills, but Thailog could of (and did) find a way to get a fortune off the money.

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** I will disagree. I think he brought that money so he won't risk it going into the mad scientist's hands. HE didn't even know ten thousand dollar bills existed, so their there was no risk the guy would get away with money even if he tried. Xanatos was expecting Thailog, who Xanatos taught everything he knew. A genisist who doesn't know a thing about economics may be safe to give unusable ten thousand dollar bills, but Thailog could of (and did) find a way to get a fortune off the money.



* Having given it some thought, it is quite easy to realize just why Alex Xanatos seems to be maturing rapidly, and was also able to speak at the age of four months. Not only is Alex actively using magic, but when he possesses Lexington, '''that was his first time speaking'''. He learnt to speak so quickly because le first spoke through Lexington.

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* Having given it some thought, it is quite easy to realize just why Alex Xanatos seems to be maturing rapidly, and was also able to speak at the age of four months. Not only is Alex actively using magic, but when he possesses Lexington, '''that was his first time speaking'''. He learnt learned to speak so quickly because le he first spoke through Lexington.



*** Correct, but it's also because Demona has a strong need to use humanity as her scapegoats (what with being unable to take responsibility for her mistakes). Elisa proves here claim of humanity to be somewhat false.

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*** Correct, but it's also because Demona has a strong need to use humanity as her scapegoats (what with being unable to take responsibility for her mistakes). Elisa proves here her claim of humanity to be somewhat false.


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* Biologically speaking, the gargoyles are mammalian, and yet we see they reproduce by laying eggs. This means they're part of that odd class of mammals (which includes the duck-billed platypus) known as monotremes. This in part explains their somewhat odd views on family (Goliath's insisting to Angela that she think of herself as the whole clan's daughter, not just his and Demona's) and also suggests their typical sexuality might be... a bit different from humanity's. Note that while Demona hates Elisa, it's only because she hates ''all'' humans, and Elisa is one; also, while she regularly castigates Goliath for "betraying" the gargoyles (by befriending humans), she never specifically takes him to task for being ''[[YourCheatingHeart unfaithful]]'' to her with Elisa, probably because she ''doesn't see it that way''.
19th Jun '15 4:39:42 PM Jessykat
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*** Plus, Puck never really wanted to go back to Avalon, anyway, saying that it was "boring." He'd much rather have stayed with the Xanatos family, because they were anything but boring. Now, thanks to Oberon's decree, he never has to go back to Avalon again, and he will live out the rest of his very long life in service to a ''very'' interesting family. Plus, he can work any magic he likes as long as he's either defending or teaching Alex Xanatos...and, as the resident master of LoopholeAbuse, Puck can construe ''anything'' as teaching or defending Alex. All in all, he got ''exactly '' what he wanted out of life by pulling off a XanatosGambit. [[DidYouJustScamCthulhu On Oberon]]. And now you know why we never see Xanatos [[TheChessmaster playing chess]] with [[spoiler: Owen]].

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*** Plus, Puck never really wanted to go back to Avalon, anyway, saying that it was "boring." He'd much rather have stayed with the Xanatos family, because they were anything but boring. Now, thanks to Oberon's decree, he never has to go back to Avalon again, and he will live out the rest of his very long life in service to a ''very'' interesting family. Plus, he can work any magic he likes as long as he's either defending or teaching Alex Xanatos...and, as the resident master of LoopholeAbuse, Puck can construe ''anything'' as teaching or defending Alex. All in all, he got ''exactly '' what he wanted out of life by pulling off a XanatosGambit. [[DidYouJustScamCthulhu On Oberon]]. And now you know why we never see Xanatos [[TheChessmaster playing chess]] with [[spoiler: Owen]].Owen]].
*** not exactly true, Puck DID want to go back to Avalon eventually. It's his home. He just wasn't ready to go back when Oberon fetched him. It's like wanting to stay at a friends house a few more days and getting kicked out of your house in doing so. Just look at Puck's reaction when Oberon makes that decree. I believe his words were "No! Not eternally!"
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